Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love

[HeyJude]

It’s also a bit ironic that Al now plays with some former members of Mike’s band that were with Mike when Al was more estranged from Mike, guys like Phil Bardowell and Chris Farmer.

Maybe you're aware of this, but Al was still in the BBs touring band when Chris and Phil joined up, so he had worked with them when Carl was still there.

Yes, I believe Farmer (and Bonhomme) joined in 1996. I wasn’t sure if Bardowell joined in 1997 or 98. The first I had seen of Bardowell was those 1998 shows without Al, so I wasn’t sure on his timeline. It never seemed like Carl or Al connected with guys like Bonhomme or Farmer the way they had with Ed Carter or Billy Hinsche or Mike Meros, which timeline-wise is understandable.

But I suppose the idea I was describing was simply that in the acrimony of the splintering of the group in 1998, these were guys that were unwittingly emblematic of Mike’s “Beach Boys.”

[HeyJude]

Minor point: Mike did introduce Darian by name at Wembley when the latter sang "Darlin'".

Good to know. My question about whether Mike had named any other guys in the band was not meant as rhetorical, I was definitely interested in whether he had. Obviously, it doesn’t matter much, but it’s an interesting tiny insight into the interpersonal dynamic of that band. 

[Foster's Freeze]

To me it's still strange to try and take Mike & Bruce seriously when the band doesn't have any of "the" band members.

Foskett helps I suppose but Ed Carter.........we miss you Eddie!

I always felt like I was watching the Beach Boys when I would see Al with his band.  That seemed more legit than Mike's.

That said, I wonder if we'll see more changes with Mike's lineup?

[Mike's Beard]

It's possible that Al and David decided to break away from Brian when he insulted them by not inviting them on the few dates he's doing this summer. I'm not sure why they were excluded unless Brian truly had no plans to use them on the fall tour, either.  If he did, it seems like an oversight that he and his people couldn't be bothered to get them visas and pay them for the summer shows. I don't think it's a coincidence the show they're doing with Mike coincides with the time Brian will be doing shows without them on the other side of the globe.

Poor fellas! They must have felt like they had been fired...

Zing!

[KittyKat]

Wait and see if they're on Brian's fall tour.

[MaryUSA]

Hi all,

Does that mean Mike and Christian are figthing? 

[bonnevillemariner]

Hi all,

Does that mean Mike and Christian are figthing? 

I wouldn't think so, but it would be funny to start seeing the father-son lawsuits fly!

[Micha]

Mike and Al are just complete opposite personalities, it's amazing they ever once got along.

They were both into Transcendental Meditation.

Didn't Al even go to Transcendental school? Oh, wait, that was just dental school.

[Lowbacca]

Mike and Al are just complete opposite personalities, it's amazing they ever once got along.

They were both into Transcendental Meditation.

Didn't Al even go to Transcendental school? Oh, wait, that was just dental school.

Not bad. Not bad at all.

[TimmyC]

I went cold turkey on this message board back in October, but I thought I'd log on today to complain about $80 Mike and Bruce tickets. And pow! Some fascinating news. I only read the first page of this thread, so I apologize if this has already been hashed out, but is there any way to know which shows Alan and Dave will be at? I would definitely shell out the $80 if all four are there (even though I still think that's pricey)

Anyway, very cool about Foskett. I just wish Alan and Dave were there as permanent members as well. Ah well, I guess that ship sailed a long, long time ago.

[Cam Mott]

It's possible that Al and David decided to break away from Brian when he insulted them by not inviting them on the few dates he's doing this summer. I'm not sure why they were excluded unless Brian truly had no plans to use them on the fall tour, either.  If he did, it seems like an oversight that he and his people couldn't be bothered to get them visas and pay them for the summer shows. I don't think it's a coincidence the show they're doing with Mike coincides with the time Brian will be doing shows without them on the other side of the globe.

Poor fellas! They must have felt like they had been fired...

Good one.

[Emdeeh]

Does that mean Mike and Christian are figthing? 

I doubt it. I heard (don't remember where or when) a while back that Christian saw this as a temp gig and had been wanting to go back to making his own music. He wasn't on tour with the M&B show last October, so I wasn't surprised that he left.

is there any way to know which shows Alan and Dave will be at?

The July 5th Jones Beach show -- that's the only one announced.

[TimmyC]

is there any way to know which shows Alan and Dave will be at?

The July 5th Jones Beach show -- that's the only one announced.

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Thanks man.

[c-man]

Mike and Al are just complete opposite personalities, it's amazing they ever once got along.

They were both into Transcendental Meditation.

Didn't Al even go to Transcendental school? Oh, wait, that was just dental school.

Not bad. Not bad at all.

Actually - he DID go to TM school, and so did Mike...in Majorca, Spain, right after the '72 European tour. There they were certified as TM instructors themselves.

[Pretty Funky]

Minor point: Mike did introduce Darian by name at Wembley when the latter sang "Darlin'".

Sounds like Jeff to me.

http://youtu.be/w385_gbEvl8

[Please delete my account]

Minor point: Mike did introduce Darian by name at Wembley when the latter sang "Darlin'".

Sounds like Jeff to me.

http://youtu.be/w385_gbEvl8

No, BEFORE they played it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOzkXEjoZX0
4.34

[Pretty Funky]

Gotcha. My bad!

[STE]

Yes, I believe Farmer (and Bonhomme) joined in 1996. I wasn’t sure if Bardowell joined in 1997 or 98. The first I had seen of Bardowell was those 1998 shows without Al, so I wasn’t sure on his timeline.

I saw the BB with Bardowell (+Farmer, Bonhomme, Meros, Carter, M.Jardine, Cannata) in April 1997.

[Letsgoawayforawhile]

So, did Mike invite just David and Al, or Brian too?
If so, did Brian decline?
Hmmmmmmm.

[urbanite]

In all fairness, to fly to New York in the middle of summer when the humidity is high, for one concert, is a trek.  I hope an invitation was extended to BW, but could understand why he would decline.

[KittyKat]

I'm sure Brian would decline no matter what, but then, I'm pretty sure Mike didn't invite. Or if he did, the invitation fell into phone tag hell.

[c-man]

Yes, I believe Farmer (and Bonhomme) joined in 1996. I wasn’t sure if Bardowell joined in 1997 or 98. The first I had seen of Bardowell was those 1998 shows without Al, so I wasn’t sure on his timeline.

I saw the BB with Bardowell (+Farmer, Bonhomme, Meros, Carter, M.Jardine, Cannata) in April 1997.

You sure about Carter being there? Farmer replaced him, and Bonhomme replaced Billy, both in '96. Did you mean Kowalski? What people seem to forget is, the band was exactly the same right after Carl passed away, except for the absence of Al and Richie, and soon Matt. Matt was replaced on falsetto by a returning Adrian Baker. So at that point, you had Dave and Adrian, both of whom had played in the band extensively with Carl previously (and Dave being a founding member, of course, boosted the credibility manifold), plus Kowalski and Meros who went way back, and Farmer, Bonhomme and Bardowell, the new guys on the block, but they still went back two years with Carl in the case of the first two and one year with Carl in the case of the third. If Carl had lived, it's doubtful the band would've been any different in terms of the backup guys, except for the Adrian replacing Matt thing. Politically and corporate-wise, it was a new arrangement, but musically speaking, it was pretty much a continuation, with the obvious and glaring exceptions of Carl and Al.

[Pretty Funky]

Clip saying from late 97.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAq_b24unjg

[Andrew G. Doe]

So, did Mike invite just David and Al, or Brian too?
If so, did Brian decline?
Hmmmmmmm.

If an invitation was issued - and remember, it was for the Regan 100th show - I doubt Brian declined.

[STE]

Yes, I believe Farmer (and Bonhomme) joined in 1996. I wasn’t sure if Bardowell joined in 1997 or 98. The first I had seen of Bardowell was those 1998 shows without Al, so I wasn’t sure on his timeline.

I saw the BB with Bardowell (+Farmer, Bonhomme, Meros, Carter, M.Jardine, Cannata) in April 1997.

You sure about Carter being there? Farmer replaced him, and Bonhomme replaced Billy, both in '96. Did you mean Kowalski? What people seem to forget is, the band was exactly the same right after Carl passed away, except for the absence of Al and Richie, and soon Matt. Matt was replaced on falsetto by a returning Adrian Baker. So at that point, you had Dave and Adrian, both of whom had played in the band extensively with Carl previously (and Dave being a founding member, of course, boosted the credibility manifold), plus Kowalski and Meros who went way back, and Farmer, Bonhomme and Bardowell, the new guys on the block, but they still went back two years with Carl in the case of the first two and one year with Carl in the case of the third. If Carl had lived, it's doubtful the band would've been any different in terms of the backup guys, except for the Adrian replacing Matt thing. Politically and corporate-wise, it was a new arrangement, but musically speaking, it was pretty much a continuation, with the obvious and glaring exceptions of Carl and Al.

Umh.. you may be right.  I know Farmer was there but somehow I have memories of him playing guitar.. which doesn't make much sense.  I have photos of the gig somewhere, I'll try to dig them out and confirm.