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Title: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: RONDEMON on May 15, 2014, 11:58:13 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beach-boys-plan-tour-to-celebrate-50-years-of-fun-fun-fun-20140515

WOW. This is shocking.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: pixletwin on May 15, 2014, 12:00:20 PM
It really is. This is a 7.8 magnitude earthquake in the Beach Boys world.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: RONDEMON on May 15, 2014, 12:02:12 PM
My guess is that Brian is going to retire from touring...

I don't think Darian is with him either these days.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Shady on May 15, 2014, 12:08:37 PM
Jeff the turncoat

Wow


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Rocker on May 15, 2014, 12:09:06 PM
As permanent member? Wow, that is really unexpected. Brian will retire and do studio stuff or Jeff joining Mike's band is just the first step into building a new Wilson/Love band. But that was executed so nicely on the Beach Boys tour in 2012....


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Lowbacca on May 15, 2014, 12:16:03 PM
Interesting development... Although I wouldn't read too much into it as of now.


Also: Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark - but not a single Germany gig? Shame! :-\


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Robbie Mac on May 15, 2014, 12:21:00 PM
My guess is that Brian is going to retire from touring...

I don't think Darian is with him either these days.

He was with Brian last year.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cyncie on May 15, 2014, 12:31:53 PM
My guess is that Brian is going to retire from touring...

I don't think Darian is with him either these days.

He was with Brian last year.

I've suspected for a while that Brian was retiring from touring. Many of the members of the Brian Wilson Band seem to have taken other employment, and if you follow them on Facebook, many list Brian as a former employer. I've been a little bit worried that health issues may be to blame. Last year, his Facebook was pretty busy with pictures of recording sessions prior to the tour with Beck, but now they mostly post older pictures with the occasional shot of Brian in the studio. I hope his back hasn't gotten worse, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's decided he's done with full out tours, as opposed to the occasional performance here and there.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 15, 2014, 12:44:56 PM
Some artists or bands don’t need all of the musicians to “stay” or “leave”; they simply grab their band members if available when they go out on tour. Brian has had some members come and go, either temporarily or permanently. I would imagine, unlike someone like McCartney who probably puts his band under a contract/retainer for periods of time, Brian’s band is probably employed tour-by-tour. To keep a full band on retainer/contract requires either a lot of money, and/or a large enough tour schedule to warrant paying the band members for large blocks of time (e.g. most likely the case with Mike’s band).

I would imagine, though, that Foskett signing on “full time” with Mike’s band indicates a strong possibility of either a falling out/parting of the ways with Brian’s camp, or Brian informing band members that there is no substantial, full-length touring happening for the foreseeable future. Despite the apparent/perceived delays in Brian’s new album, I would say that his continued recording, as well as the couple of European dates, and a possibly forthcoming biopic and/or album that would include potential touring, indicates a stronger possibility of the former being true rather than the latter.

This scenario also leads to Matt Jardine’s brief appearance in the studio to do “guide vocals” for Brian making a lot more sense.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 15, 2014, 12:48:53 PM
The Brian Wilson machine is punishing Jeff for appearing at the Ella Awards. But nobody puts Jeff Foskett in the corner!  :p


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: bgas on May 15, 2014, 01:11:14 PM
So, Brian is taking a little break, Jeff will be touring with BBs for a while,   Dave and Al are playing one show with the Mike led Band. 
What's so gawrsh darn exciting about that?   



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Smilin Ed H on May 15, 2014, 01:46:49 PM
"I hope his back hasn't gotten worse"

I hope that's all it is.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 15, 2014, 01:47:26 PM
Jeff is being announced as a permanent member of the touring Beach Boys. That's a lot different than saying he's a fill in. It's a major break between Jeff and Brian. It's kind of sad whether Brian handles being Jeff-less very well or not. Jeff was the wind beneath Brian's wings, especially in his early days of solo touring.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: roll plymouth rock on May 15, 2014, 01:50:14 PM
Nelson Bragg was asked about this & whether Bri is touring on his FB....his response
 Brian is touring. Brian does what he wants with or without anyone.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 15, 2014, 01:56:35 PM
Where is AGD?    ;)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 15, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
Does Foskett have a Facebook page? Maybe one of his Facebook friends should ask him directly.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 15, 2014, 01:57:57 PM
Where is Al Jardine?


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Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: pixletwin on May 15, 2014, 02:18:49 PM
My wife raised the possibility to me that if this album he is working on includes the "Life Suite" it may be the last album he is planning on putting out. Maybe a few more shows, an album, and after the movie he wants to be done.  :'(


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Wirestone on May 15, 2014, 02:21:50 PM
Good for Mike's group. The split last year really threatened to undermine the touring group's credibility -- and now he's managed to pull everything together with a nice bow on it. Good for everyone involved, and I hope to see them soon.


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Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: The Shift on May 15, 2014, 02:31:14 PM
Two threads here suddenly need merging!


I reckon Jeff will play with abroad when the need arises. Brian's live commitments are fewer and fewer, and Matt or Christian or others could maybe help out the MB line-up occasionally.

I see no split between BW and JF.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 15, 2014, 02:37:52 PM
Where is AGD?    ;)

Working ? Contrary to popular belief, I do have both a life and a job !

As for this, well, with 20/20 hindsight it's easy to call. I must hie me to The Bloo and see how many heads have exploded.  ;D


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Gabo on May 15, 2014, 02:38:06 PM
WAAAAAAR


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: bgas on May 15, 2014, 02:56:43 PM
Where is AGD?    ;)

Working ? Contrary to popular belief, I do have both a life and a job !

As for this, well, with 20/20 hindsight it's easy to call. I must hie me to The Bloo and see how many heads have exploded.  ;D

No, really? I'm still under the impression you're out touring countrysides now. perhaps you've come into some $$ and will be a country lord the rest of your time....


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 15, 2014, 02:59:55 PM
Most folk here seem to be missing the salient point: the article says Jeff is permanently joining Mike & Bruce. He's not playing with Brian any more.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 15, 2014, 03:05:13 PM
So, Brian is taking a little break, Jeff will be touring with BBs for a while,   Dave and Al are playing one show with the Mike led Band. 
What's so gawrsh darn exciting about that?   

In the English language - and possibly in 'Murrican too - "permanently" means longer than "for a while".


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 15, 2014, 03:10:51 PM
Where is AGD?    ;)

Working ? Contrary to popular belief, I do have both a life and a job !

As for this, well, with 20/20 hindsight it's easy to call. I must hie me to The Bloo and see how many heads have exploded.  ;D

No, really? I'm still under the impression you're out touring countrysides now. perhaps you've come into some $$ and will be a country lord the rest of your time....

My humble abode, "Bellagio Towers":

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/t1.0-9/269470_10150706375580510_6133582_n.jpg)

Somewhere to lay the head at the end of the day.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 15, 2014, 03:17:21 PM
Most folk here seem to be missing the salient point: the article says Jeff is permanently joining Mike & Bruce. He's not playing with Brian any more.

Yes, that is the main point. But that are also two very important issues that are no doubt going to be hard to get clarification on.

First, Jeff Foskett was more than Brian's on-stage guitar player. He was Brian's adviser, confidant, bodyguard, and friend. For several years. Other than Melinda, was there an individual closer to Brian Wilson than Jeff Foskett? So, Jeff decides to leave Brian to become a PERMANENT member of The Beach Boys - with Mike Love - and Brian isn't even aware of it? Brian's reaction is "Really?"

Second, Mike Love's son leaves the band. So now Mike needs a rhythm guitar player, somebody to sing a few lead vocals, some Beach Boys' harmoniess, somebody who will be accepted by the fans, and that replacement is not Al Jardine, but Jeff Foskett.

Huh?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: The Shift on May 15, 2014, 03:24:33 PM
I suspect Jeff will come cheaper than Al, no offence intended to any parties.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 15, 2014, 03:29:04 PM
Sad. I really expected any "turncoat" cracks to be on the Bloo.

Here's a question. We know the who, and the when. The bigger query is, the why ?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 15, 2014, 03:30:34 PM
I Jeff will come cheaper than Al, no offence intended to any parties.

I'm not disagreeing with you but we don't know what Jeff will cost, and, we don't know how much Al would settle for to be in The Beach Boys' band permanently.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: wantsomecorn on May 15, 2014, 03:31:49 PM
So now we have Al, Jeff, and Dave playing with Mike and Bruce? This is crazy.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: The Shift on May 15, 2014, 03:33:28 PM
I Jeff will come cheaper than Al, no offence intended to any parties.

I'm not disagreeing with you but we don't know what Jeff will cost, and, we don't know how much Al would settle for to be in The Beach Boys' band permanently.

Very true. I wonder which is the more versatile musician … I'd, whether Mike reckons he'll get more twang for his buck?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 15, 2014, 03:39:02 PM
I wonder how the BW camp is reacting to these changes?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: bgas on May 15, 2014, 03:42:19 PM
So, Brian is taking a little break, Jeff will be touring with BBs for a while,   Dave and Al are playing one show with the Mike led Band. 
What's so gawrsh darn exciting about that?   

In the English language - and possibly in 'Murrican too - "permanently" means longer than "for a while".

And that would be a good point, if it wasn't the BBs we're referencing.
Jeff is permanently ( Forever and Ever? )  in the touring BBs, or at least til he and/or Mike get their fill of each other; or something else comes out of left field to change the landscape


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: bringahorseinhere? on May 15, 2014, 03:44:26 PM
lets not forget Jeff played with the Beach Boys many many years in the band before joining up with Brian....

and muso's are doing it hard these days, don't matter how good they are.......

it could be as simple as Jeff is a muso, he has to go where the work is, and Brian's probably not going to do much more

excessive in the tour front as 'The Beach Boys'........

and Brian has sent in recent times, he is probably gonna retire touring soon........ so I don't really see any 'bad blood' there yet

on what we have been given......

remember also, The Beach Boys make a lot of money for the brand, and we know who gets the money behind that brand....

so Brian shouldn't be that upset....

RickB


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 15, 2014, 04:04:25 PM
Yes, but as pointed out, Jeff had been absent from the session for Brian's new album, as well. Union scale for sessions is pretty lucrative, so I can't see Jeff turning that down for a handful of gigs with Papa Doo Run Run. I do think there has been some type of personal falling out. Maybe something to do with the Beck tour? Al and David were on that tour, too.  Maybe no one was happy on it, in spite of some fans enjoying it. Or perhaps Jeff did something to fall out of favor with the Brian or his people. Who knows what. I was joking about them not wanting him to be at the Ella Awards, but maybe they really didn't want him at the Ella Awards. Or Jeff asked for more money and they didn't want to give it to him. Considering what he did for Brian, he should have been put on a financial retainer.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Shady on May 15, 2014, 04:13:14 PM
Sad. I really expected any "turncoat" cracks to be on the Bloo.

Here's a question. We know the who, and the when. The bigger query is, the why ?


How else to put it

At a time where there is obvious friction between brian and mike, Brian's best friend decides to join mike.

Until we hear some confirmation that brian was ok with this I see it as a stab in the back


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mayoman on May 15, 2014, 04:15:08 PM
Sad. I really expected any "turncoat" cracks to be on the Bloo.

Here's a question. We know the who, and the when. The bigger query is, the why ?


How else to put it

At a time where there is obvious friction between brian and mike, Brian's best friend decides to join mike.

Until we hear some confirmation that brian was ok with this I see it as a stab in the back

Check Ray Lawlor's post in the Jones Beach thread, Brian seemed cool with it as of a few hours ago.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 15, 2014, 04:17:02 PM
Sad. I really expected any "turncoat" cracks to be on the Bloo.

Here's a question. We know the who, and the when. The bigger query is, the why ?


How else to put it

At a time where there is obvious friction between brian and mike, Brian's best friend decides to join mike.

Until we hear some confirmation that brian was ok with this I see it as a stab in the back

A stab in the back how? Brian is a multi millionaire. Jeff is a working musician who needs steady gigs. Even if there are other factors, Jeff has to do what's good for Jeff and his family.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Shady on May 15, 2014, 04:19:44 PM
I missed that.

It's good to hear Brian's ok with it, I was genuinely feeling bad for him for a while.

All the best to jeff then, he'll make a great addition to the touring beac boys


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 15, 2014, 04:22:22 PM
Sad. I really expected any "turncoat" cracks to be on the Bloo.

Here's a question. We know the who, and the when. The bigger query is, the why ?


How else to put it

At a time where there is obvious friction between brian and mike, Brian's best friend decides to join mike.

Until we hear some confirmation that brian was ok with this I see it as a stab in the back

Check Ray Lawlor's post in the Jones Beach thread, Brian seemed cool with it as of a few hours ago.

Yes, but Brian didn't even know that Jeff made the move. For as close as Jeff and Brian were/are, wouldn't you think that Jeff would at least tell Brian of his (Jeff''s) plans, just out of common courtesy?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 15, 2014, 04:33:13 PM
So, Brian is taking a little break, Jeff will be touring with BBs for a while,   Dave and Al are playing one show with the Mike led Band. 
What's so gawrsh darn exciting about that?   

In the English language - and possibly in 'Murrican too - "permanently" means longer than "for a while".

I don't think "permanently" means forever either. I think the terminology of "permanently" would be used to make it clear that Foskett isn't filling in for one show or a few shows. He's not a "temp." It also clarifies that, by virtue of, if nothing else, Mike's tour schedule, this would be to the exclusion of playing with Brian.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 15, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
Most folk here seem to be missing the salient point: the article says Jeff is permanently joining Mike & Bruce. He's not playing with Brian any more.

Yes, that is the main point. But that are also two very important issues that are no doubt going to be hard to get clarification on.

First, Jeff Foskett was more than Brian's on-stage guitar player. He was Brian's adviser, confidant, bodyguard, and friend. For several years. Other than Melinda, was there an individual closer to Brian Wilson than Jeff Foskett? So, Jeff decides to leave Brian to become a PERMANENT member of The Beach Boys - with Mike Love - and Brian isn't even aware of it? Brian's reaction is "Really?"

Second, Mike Love's son leaves the band. So now Mike needs a rhythm guitar player, somebody to sing a few lead vocals, some Beach Boys' harmoniess, somebody who will be accepted by the fans, and that replacement is not Al Jardine, but Jeff Foskett.

Huh?

It's true, whether Al takes a cut off the top (as he used to presumably, pre-1998), or is salaried, he would likely come at a higher premium than a "sideman", unless Al chose to basically work for free (as he allegedly did playing those few shows with Brian in 06/07). I can't of course see Al doing a full year touring schedule for free.

As for Jeff's role with Brian, it was by all accounts (including the other Beach Boys among others) much more than just a band member. At the same time, it appears Jeff filled this role mostly in recording and touring settings. If Brian was off for months and didn't tour or record, I don't think Jeff was there. I could be wrong, I'm just guessing. So this may not be quite as huge of a deal to Brian's *life* as some may believe, but it is certainly a huge deal when it comes to Brian performing live, and to a lesser extent, perhaps recording. (While some have noted Foskett's lack of appearance at recent Brian sessions, I don't think Jeff has *always* been at every Brian session in the past).


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: the professor on May 15, 2014, 04:38:48 PM
Wow, who saw that coming?

In all fairness, I knew this in advance, so my predictions were a sure thing. And I wil say again that the best possible result of all this (assuming Dave jumps in with the BB as Al may be doing) is that BW is the last man to leave the BW universe and joing the BB.

Update: I just saw that Dave is in fact in for the Jones Beach shows; but I wonder if Al and Dave will play any more shows; would love to see that in CA.  But in any case, there will be shows with "all" the surviving BB except Brian: that part I did not know in advance but predicted. Though I suppose I hoped it was a total reunion and not a special guest situation.




Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 15, 2014, 04:40:10 PM
Yes, but as pointed out, Jeff had been absent from the session for Brian's new album, as well. Union scale for sessions is pretty lucrative, so I can't see Jeff turning that down for a handful of gigs with Papa Doo Run Run. I do think there has been some type of personal falling out. Maybe something to do with the Beck tour? Al and David were on that tour, too.  Maybe no one was happy on it, in spite of some fans enjoying it. Or perhaps Jeff did something to fall out of favor with the Brian or his people. Who knows what. I was joking about them not wanting him to be at the Ella Awards, but maybe they really didn't want him at the Ella Awards. Or Jeff asked for more money and they didn't want to give it to him. Considering what he did for Brian, he should have been put on a financial retainer.

It hasn't been super clear, but hasn't Foskett been a full member of "Papa Doo Run Run" the whole time he has been with Brian, essentially doing gigs with them whenever it didn't conflict with Brian? If he's now full-time with Mike, would Papa Doo Run Run eventually make any mention of this? Maybe some of those guys have some sort of insight.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: wantsomecorn on May 15, 2014, 04:42:28 PM
Let's not forget that Mike was the first to meet Jeff- he played in Mike's first solo group back in 1981 before he joined The Beach Boys.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 15, 2014, 04:43:18 PM
Sad. I really expected any "turncoat" cracks to be on the Bloo.

Here's a question. We know the who, and the when. The bigger query is, the why ?


How else to put it

At a time where there is obvious friction between brian and mike, Brian's best friend decides to join mike.

Until we hear some confirmation that brian was ok with this I see it as a stab in the back

Check Ray Lawlor's post in the Jones Beach thread, Brian seemed cool with it as of a few hours ago.

I dunno, I really don't picture many famous musicians, and certainly Brian, responding with some sort of intense rant. I don't doubt the account of that phone call where Brian said he didn't know, but I'm not necessarily believing that Brian, nor anybody in his "camp", knew about this whatsoever. If Foskett truly engineered, or let happen, a scenario where a Rolling Stone interview with Mike was what led to a phone call from a friend who informed Brian of Foskett playing with Mike, then that would certainly up the odds even further of some sort of not-amicable-on-someone's-part situation.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 15, 2014, 04:45:01 PM
Let's not forget that Mike was the first to meet Jeff- he played in Mike's first solo group back in 1981 before he joined The Beach Boys.

This was/is being discussed in the other thread. I think perhaps we do need to merge. As I mentioned there, Mike also allegedly attempted to recruit Foskett again around 1998/99.

As I mentioned before, and AGD also alluded to, Foskett playing with Mike is not a surprise. But Foskett *not* playing with Brian as a result is surprising.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 15, 2014, 04:47:13 PM
I missed that.

It's good to hear Brian's ok with it, I was genuinely feeling bad for him for a while.

All the best to jeff then, he'll make a great addition to the touring beac boys

Not that it necessarily matters, but I'm not sure of who's okay with what. Mike seemed "okay" with the 50th tour while it was happening, then afterwards we got a litany of reasons he had issues with it.

I don't think we'll ever hear Brian say much if anything negative about Foskett, but that may have little to do with how he (or his "team") actually feel about the situation with Foskett.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Catbirdman on May 15, 2014, 04:51:00 PM
I keep seeing people post stuff like "Jeff Foskett is not on Brian's new album." Do we know that for sure? All I remember seeing (and admittedly I don't check this board every single day) is that Matt Jardine sang on a session or two because Jeff wasn't available. I don't recall ever seeing it stated categorically that Jeff hasn't been on any sessions whatsoever.

I also have to say it's pretty crazy watching all the raving speculation that occurs here during times like these.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 15, 2014, 04:55:09 PM
All speculation as always, but I'm also curious about the theory that Foskett took the gig simply because it was steady work. It's interesting only because Brian has had downtime in past years where he did little touring.

One piece of evidence that weighs against the idea that this indicates a falling out with Brian is that, presumably, Foskett did not seek this out. It appears the only reason this position was offered is because Christian Love left (or is leaving) Mike's band, and they need to fill the spot. Foskett may have had a falling out, but if he did, then it may have been coincidence that soon after, he's offered a position with Mike? Is any of it connected?

I'm waiting for someone to posit the crazy conspiracy theory under which Mike wants to poach Foskett, so he fires Christian Love to make it happen.  :lol


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 15, 2014, 04:56:31 PM
I keep seeing people post stuff like "Jeff Foskett is not on Brian's new album." Do we know that for sure? All I remember seeing (and admittedly I don't check this board every single day) is that Matt Jardine sang on a session or two because Jeff wasn't available. I don't recall ever seeing it stated categorically that Jeff hasn't been on any sessions whatsoever.

I also have to say it's pretty crazy watching all the raving speculation that occurs here during times like these.

This is an important point. For all the facebook photos and whatnot, we have no idea who has or hasn't been to all or any of the sessions.

We do know that sessions last year included Jeff Foskett, because the first shots from early-mid 2013 in the studio with Al working on Brian's session also included Al next to Foskett.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Wirestone on May 15, 2014, 04:58:51 PM
I missed that.

It's good to hear Brian's ok with it, I was genuinely feeling bad for him for a while.

All the best to jeff then, he'll make a great addition to the touring beac boys

Not that it necessarily matters, but I'm not sure of who's okay with what. Mike seemed "okay" with the 50th tour while it was happening, then afterwards we got a litany of reasons he had issues with it.

I don't think we'll ever hear Brian say much if anything negative about Foskett, but that may have little to do with how he (or his "team") actually feel about the situation with Foskett.

The whole org leaks like a sieve. We'll know everything eventually.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 15, 2014, 04:59:15 PM
Yes, but as pointed out, Jeff had been absent from the session for Brian's new album, as well. Union scale for sessions is pretty lucrative, so I can't see Jeff turning that down for a handful of gigs with Papa Doo Run Run. I do think there has been some type of personal falling out. Maybe something to do with the Beck tour? Al and David were on that tour, too.  Maybe no one was happy on it, in spite of some fans enjoying it. Or perhaps Jeff did something to fall out of favor with the Brian or his people. Who knows what. I was joking about them not wanting him to be at the Ella Awards, but maybe they really didn't want him at the Ella Awards. Or Jeff asked for more money and they didn't want to give it to him. Considering what he did for Brian, he should have been put on a financial retainer.

Setting aside totally subjective guessing about how any of those folks felt/feel about the tour last year (I feel a few somewhat negative comments from Beck are being overblown by some), we at the very least know that Al is not on the outs with Brian, as just weeks or a month or two ago Al was pictured working with Brian in the studio.

In lieu of either a reunion or Al getting off his ass and doing another album or solo tour, the next best thing to happen would be for both Brian and Mike to use Al's voice as much as they can in any form they can, touring or recording.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Wirestone on May 15, 2014, 05:02:33 PM
Most folk here seem to be missing the salient point: the article says Jeff is permanently joining Mike & Bruce. He's not playing with Brian any more.

I get the first part. I'm not sure the second follows.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 15, 2014, 05:22:03 PM
Most folk here seem to be missing the salient point: the article says Jeff is permanently joining Mike & Bruce. He's not playing with Brian any more.

I get the first part. I'm not sure the second follows.

I could be wrong - and I'm sure Hey Jude will tell me I am ;D - but I thought that "permanently" was intentionally inserted for a reason, maybe two reasons. What are the two questions that immediately come to mind when reading the press release? 1) Will Christian Love rejoin the band after he completes his solo album and/or possible tour? And, 2) Does this mean that Jeff is no longer working with Brian Wilson? Maybe they were even trying to be kind and smooth over the transition from Brian's camp to Mike's camp.

Does this clearly spell out that Jeff is now a Beach Boy exclusively, for the long haul? I think it does. If it didn't, I don't think they would've used the term "permanent". They would've used "temporary replacement" for Christian Love.  


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 15, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
This appears to bother some people, as though the only way they could accept this is the thought that Jeff may play with Brian again. I'm not sure why that is. It sounds like Brian's entire band has their C.V.'s polished up and may be seeking other employment. Maybe Brian will start touring with some configuration of hacks that Joe Thomas will find for him.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 15, 2014, 06:33:29 PM
Quote
It appears the only reason this position was offered is because Christian Love left (or is leaving) Mike's band, and they need to fill the spot.

What if it were the other way around...?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Emdeeh on May 15, 2014, 06:43:48 PM
Just to make things more interesting, this item came across the newsfeed today:


http://www.modbee.com/2014/05/14/3340405/brian-wilson-natalie-cole-among.html

BRIAN WILSON, NATALIE COLE AMONG ARTISTS SET FOR GALLO CENTER’S 2014-15 SEASON
By Pat Clark
pclark@modbee.com
May 14, 2014

The bar was raised this season at the Gallo Center for the Arts, thanks to a handful of high-profile artists crossing its biggest stage. John Legend, Itzhak Perlman, Rob Thomas and Jason Mraz helped not only lead the performing-arts center to its best-selling season since opening in 2007, said Chief Executive Officer Lynn Dickerson, but also to a higher cachet when attracting talent for the upcoming 2014-15 season.

It has to mean something, after all, when the most heralded former Beach Boy asks you to reconsider having him play your venue. That was the case with rock legend Brian Wilson, set for Oct. 9 at the center. Dickerson said she put in a backup offer for Wilson while nervously awaiting an answer from season-opening artist Natalie Cole, who kicks off the new slate of shows Sept. 20. When Cole’s booking finally came through, the offer on Wilson was voided.

“They (Wilson’s people) came back to me and said, ‘You know, he really was intrigued by your market and he really wants to play Modesto,’ ” Dickerson said, adding that she couldn’t pay the same money offered when he was being courted as a season-opening act. She went back with a lower price. “He took a long time to give me an answer on that, but he did eventually accept it.”

[rest of story snipped]

For a full season schedule, see www.galloarts.org.



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: donald on May 15, 2014, 06:44:18 PM
I had the notion or suspicion that Mike was uncomfortable with the reunion in part because his son was unemployed at the time.  also, with the JF pipes,  will Randall remain in Mike's band?  Yeah, lots of speculation.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Emdeeh on May 15, 2014, 06:47:29 PM
Randell and Jeff are friends from way, way back. Randell is playing bass with M&B these days.

As for Brian, I wonder if Matt Jardine will take over Jeff's vocal role for the handful of shows he has this year (so far).


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cam Mott on May 15, 2014, 06:52:58 PM
This appears to bother some people, as though the only way they could accept this is the thought that Jeff may play with Brian again. I'm not sure why that is. It sounds like Brian's entire band has their C.V.'s polished up and may be seeking other employment. Maybe Brian will start touring with some configuration of hacks that Joe Thomas will find for him.

Maybe Brian's new album is AC Country [S&S v.2] and he will be touring behind it with the Joe Thomas Mullet All Stars.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: 18thofMay on May 15, 2014, 06:54:54 PM
I will be in San Diego on the 5th of October


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Autotune on May 15, 2014, 07:05:56 PM
Question: has Alan ever mentioned that he wants to tour steadily? Would he tour regularly with Mike and Bruce? Or would he rather perform on specifically-chosen dates? 


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: bossaroo on May 15, 2014, 07:17:48 PM
things are gettin' all shook up! cool deal.

i'm excited to hear a Brian set without Jeff's rather dominant presence I must say. no offense to the guy


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on May 15, 2014, 07:27:01 PM
Question: has Alan ever mentioned that he wants to tour steadily? Would he tour regularly with Mike and Bruce? Or would he rather perform on specifically-chosen dates? 


If I recall, via the Charlie Rose interview, Al wishes to see a bunch of guy's venturing into their mid 70's touring on a regular "every 4 years" basis!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: the professor on May 15, 2014, 07:36:22 PM
I recall that the Professor anticipated some of this.......


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Autotune on May 15, 2014, 07:50:46 PM
I recall that the Professor anticipated some of this.......

the Professor = Mike Love

Seriously, I'm glad you were right!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: donald on May 15, 2014, 08:01:12 PM
Is there a metaphor for what is happening?   Last roundup?  Circling the wagons?  riding into the sunset? blood Meridian? summer's Gone?  One more for the road?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Wirestone on May 15, 2014, 08:08:54 PM
This appears to bother some people, as though the only way they could accept this is the thought that Jeff may play with Brian again. I'm not sure why that is. It sounds like Brian's entire band has their C.V.'s polished up and may be seeking other employment. Maybe Brian will start touring with some configuration of hacks that Joe Thomas will find for him.

Brian's band (including Jeff) have played with -- and toured with -- other people and groups for the entirety of his career as a touring artist. Some as permanent members of other ensembles. Probyn had a full-time job as a copy editor for many of those years. Darian missed multiple tours because of jobs with Disney and Heart.

This is why I asked my very simple question. Even with Jeff a full time member of Mike and Bruce's band, it doesn't necessarily figure that they he's not appearing with Brian. It probably does. But I was merely wondering if we know for sure. Because the word "permanently" in a press release really doesn't signify that to me.

As for the whole thing of Jeff being some sort of ultra-close friend to Brian ... That may have been true at one point. It hasn't been for a handful of years now, at least.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 15, 2014, 08:20:51 PM
Permanently, to me, means at least for this year, in which the BB are fully booked for the rest of the year. So, no chance Jeff will be on the fall Brian tour. Which is significant. Jeff is the one key player who was always there for Brian on vocals. There were times I noticed Brian did not sing when he was supposed to, the few times I attended concerts. Jeff would watch Brian closely and fill in the missing lead or backing vocal. It will be hard to find a replacement that tuned into Brian. Brian also looked to Jeff for cues, more than anyone else in his band.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: RubberSoul13 on May 15, 2014, 08:32:27 PM
DO the two dates that Brian has in the UK conflict with Mike and Bruce? Could Jeff play in BOTH bands this summer?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Emdeeh on May 15, 2014, 08:39:03 PM
Both the July 5th and the Oct. 9th dates are in conflict.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: OGoldin on May 15, 2014, 09:47:25 PM
The silver lining here is that maybe we will finally hear "Brian Wilson presents Love You"


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 15, 2014, 09:47:50 PM
I think one of these threads the subject of 'retainers' came up. Didn't someone (AGD?) once say only one member of Brians band was on a retainer? Surely that would have been Jeff and perhaps that has come to an end.

Hey what ever happens I hope Brians health is ok. Who here would have expected so many solo albums and tours? Also if Jeff can continue making a living doing what he loves, who are we to knock him?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mikie on May 15, 2014, 09:51:19 PM
So now the Beach Boys core members are:

Mike Love - skin flute, tambourine, lead and backing vocals
Bruce Johnston - keyboard, bass, handclaps, microphone setup, lead and backing vocals
Jeff Foskett – guitar, mandolin, percussion, lead and backing vocals
Scott Totten – lead guitar, lead and backing vocals, musical director
Randell Kirsch – bass, lead and backing vocals
Tim Bonhomme – keyboards, piano
John Cowsill – drums, bongos, vocals

Three ex Papa Do Run Run members are reunited. These guys have been playing forever, way before playing in the Beach Boys. What can the CEO of Falsetto bring to the table? Jeff and Scott can both play lead and rhythm guitar, Jeff and Scott can both sing lead, background, and falsetto parts (so can Randell) and both Jeff and Scott can play the musical director's role. Thanks to Jeff and Scott, their respective bands have played lesser known songs in their sets - album cuts instead of just the hits. Then adding Al and Dave to the shows gives you a fuller sounding band:

Al Jardine - rhythm guitar, banjo, lead and backing vocals
Dave Marks - toes on the nose rhythm guitar, lead guitar, vocals  

Then you bring on Briaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan Wilson and you have:

Brian Wilson - piano, keyboards, organ, synthesizer, bass, lead and backing vocals, songwriter, composer, producer, arranger, guy who wrote all the fuckin' songs. He doesn't need to do anything but sit there behind the piano and soak up the crowd's applause.



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 15, 2014, 09:59:30 PM
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Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 15, 2014, 10:51:03 PM
I missed that.

It's good to hear Brian's ok with it, I was genuinely feeling bad for him for a while.

All the best to jeff then, he'll make a great addition to the touring beac boys

Not that it necessarily matters, but I'm not sure of who's okay with what. Mike seemed "okay" with the 50th tour while it was happening, then afterwards we got a litany of reasons he had issues with it.

I don't think we'll ever hear Brian say much if anything negative about Foskett, but that may have little to do with how he (or his "team") actually feel about the situation with Foskett.

The whole org leaks like a sieve. We'll know everything eventually.

Not this time - everyone appears to have been blindsided, including Brian. I doubt Jeff woke up on Tuesday, thought "f*** this, I've had enough" and called Mike. This had to have happened at least a month ago, if only on logistical grounds. But yes, in time we'll know what happened from both sides.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on May 15, 2014, 11:22:31 PM
So now the Beach Boys core members are:

Mike Love - skin flute, tambourine, lead and backing vocals
Bruce Johnston - keyboard, bass, handclaps, microphone setup, lead and backing vocals
Jeff Foskett – guitar, mandolin, percussion, lead and backing vocals
Scott Totten – lead guitar, lead and backing vocals, musical director
Randell Kirsch – bass, lead and backing vocals
Tim Bonhomme – keyboards, piano
John Cowsill – drums, bongos, vocals

Three ex Papa Do Run Run members are reunited. These guys have been playing forever, way before playing in the Beach Boys. What can the CEO of Falsetto bring to the table? Jeff and Scott can both play lead and rhythm guitar, Jeff and Scott can both sing lead, background, and falsetto parts (so can Randell) and both Jeff and Scott can play the musical director's role. Thanks to Jeff and Scott, their respective bands have played lesser known songs in their sets - album cuts instead of just the hits. Then adding Al and Dave to the shows gives you a fuller sounding band:

Al Jardine - rhythm guitar, banjo, lead and backing vocals
Dave Marks - toes on the nose rhythm guitar, lead guitar, vocals  

Then you bring on Briaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan Wilson and you have:

Brian Wilson - piano, keyboards, organ, synthesizer, bass, lead and backing vocals, songwriter, composer, producer, arranger, guy who wrote all the fuckin' songs. He doesn't need to do anything but sit there behind the piano and soak up the crowd's applause.



The Stones wrote their own songs too and certainly don't just show up and soak in the applause .......

Just sayin'


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 15, 2014, 11:56:08 PM
In some ways, this looks like an intervention. One of those events where family and friends gather around to tell someone they need to change. Maybe Brian does need to stop touring for his own good. Al and David were there for C50 and the Beck tour. They could have been seeing things they didn't like. Jeff, of course, would know better than anyone if Brian didn't seem up to touring anymore. It could be their way of giving Brian and his organization some tough love.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on May 16, 2014, 12:11:22 AM
I can't see Jeff quitting Brian's outfit without Brian's complete and total understanding, agreement, and maybe even his own wishes ..... Or else something went down .....


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Micha on May 16, 2014, 01:29:32 AM
I think one of these threads the subject of 'retainers' came up. Didn't someone (AGD?) once say only one member of Brians band was on a retainer?

Can somebody explain "on a retainer" for a non-native English speaker, please? The dictionary doesn't explain it.


Bruce Johnston - keyboard, bass, handclaps, microphone setup, lead and backing vocals

You forgot "crazy, silly jumps". :-D


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: The Shift on May 16, 2014, 01:45:42 AM
I think one of these threads the subject of 'retainers' came up. Didn't someone (AGD?) once say only one member of Brians band was on a retainer?

Can somebody explain "on a retainer" for a non-native English speaker, please? The dictionary doesn't explain it.


In this case it's like a payment made just for the privilege of having a person's services available on call when needed. When they actually are called in to do the work, they get paid much more and it wouldn't mean they couldn't accept other work, but they'd have to drop everything when the person paying the retainer shouts.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Loaf on May 16, 2014, 01:49:49 AM
I'd be surprised if it were more than just Jeff wanting a regular steady income, which Brian's camp perhaps could no longer guarantee.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Micha on May 16, 2014, 02:18:39 AM
Thank you very much, John! :) Even written in phrases that are easy to understand. :-D


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ToneBender631 on May 16, 2014, 04:05:47 AM
In some ways, this looks like an intervention. One of those events where family and friends gather around to tell someone they need to change. Maybe Brian does need to stop touring for his own good. Al and David were there for C50 and the Beck tour. They could have been seeing things they didn't like. Jeff, of course, would know better than anyone if Brian didn't seem up to touring anymore. It could be their way of giving Brian and his organization some tough love.

An intervention? That seems to be a bit of an overstatement for me. Al and David are only confirmed to be playing one show, which is the Jones Beach show. It's worth noting that the Jones Beach show is easily the largest venue on the tour. I'm guessing what most likely happened is that Mike and Bruce were offered JB by a promoter and then had to scramble to figure out how they could make the show as authentic as possible to sell 15k tickets. Having 4 out of 5 Beach Boys is a good way to do that. Ironically, the band were supposedly offered similar gigs post-50th (MSG for New Years, Wrigley Field, etc.) and Mike was the one who didn't want to do those (so we're lead to believe).

Now, as far as Brian's health, I think we all tend to extrapolate quite a bit so I'll do my own extrapolating. I saw BAD shows in 2013 - Atlantic City, Westbury and the Beacon. Atlantic City, although exciting as the first show of the tour, saw Brian looking a little less than good during the second set. By the Westbury and Beacon shows he seemed like a changed man; better than any show I've seen of him going back to TLOS tour. The show at the Beacon in particular was the best I've ever seen Brian. He was happy, engaged, singing fantastically and energetic. Things might've been different back stage, but how anyone could reasonably walk away from that performance at the Beacon with a negative impression of Brian's (relative) health is beyond me.

For all we know, the upcoming fall tour for BW may include Al, David and Blondie, which would render this all a bit moot, wouldn't it? I think Jeff has been a godsend for Brian, but there's no reason to believe that other members of his 15+ year band (Paul, Darian, Scott, etc.), let alone Melinda, Al and David don't provide what ever comfort and support BW needs to get on-stage. Perhaps Ray, if he's comfortable doing so, could speak further to that.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 16, 2014, 04:21:24 AM
I'd be surprised if it were more than just Jeff wanting a regular steady income, which Brian's camp perhaps could no longer guarantee.

Until evidence emerges to the contrary, this seems a fair presumption.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: The Shift on May 16, 2014, 04:39:57 AM
I think Jeff has been a godsend for Brian, but there's no reason to believe that other members of his 15+ year band (Paul, Darian, Scott, etc.), let alone Melinda, Al and David don't provide what ever comfort and support BW needs to get on-stage.

Interesting.  When I think of Brian and Jeff together, I think of an older guy labouring to move, accompanied by his carer.  When I think of, say, Brian and Scotty, I think of two guys bursting with creative energy, one (sorta!) young and the other a young guy trapped in an older guys body.

That is purely the impression of someone on the other side of the world, looking in from the outside and forming an impression based on nothing but imagination, I stress.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: filledeplage on May 16, 2014, 04:58:53 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beach-boys-plan-tour-to-celebrate-50-years-of-fun-fun-fun-20140515

WOW. This is shocking.
Christian has a lot going on with his beach volleyball, his own band, and Cal Saga (if they are still working together) and has been  wonderful to watch as he grew in the job.  I will miss his singing very much.  His voice does echo that Wilson-Love quality (Carl, in my opinion) - and there is a lot of vocal voltage on that stage.  He has brought a sort of sublime quality to the Touring Band, with that yearning feel that Carl brought to the work.   I hope it isn't as permanent as it it made to sound, as he has done a great job. Career choices are often tough.  I will miss him, but wish him well in his other endeavors!

But Jeff Foskett doesn't need a road map, either, and worked with the band a long time. 

More falsetto!  A beautiful thing!  ;)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 16, 2014, 05:06:02 AM
It`s interesting that only at the ELLA awards Mike thanked Jeff for being Brian`s `care giver` for the past 16 years. So this is certainly a curious turn of events.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Autotune on May 16, 2014, 05:11:34 AM
In some ways, this looks like an intervention. One of those events where family and friends gather around to tell someone they need to change. Maybe Brian does need to stop touring for his own good. Al and David were there for C50 and the Beck tour. They could have been seeing things they didn't like. Jeff, of course, would know better than anyone if Brian didn't seem up to touring anymore. It could be their way of giving Brian and his organization some tough love.

Yeah, but theb Al was in the studio with Brian like 2 weeks ago. So he seems to be ok with Brian.

For me, there is a falling out between Brian or Brian's camp and Jeffrey. He has not been portrayed in any of the many pictures of recent sessions that have appeared. He is not recording guide vocals for Brian- Matt is. So this is not just a matter of wanting a regular job. Jeff is obviously no longer a part of Brian's entourage.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: The Shift on May 16, 2014, 05:45:27 AM
Is the solo project that Christian has moved on to the same one that Matt Jardine is working on?  A CalSaga album?

ref:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,17575.0.html
and:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,17520.0.html

(and now I half-expect a man in a hat to define "solo" for me, tho' in this case I'm taking it to mean a project not involving any famous dads!)   ;D


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: The Shift on May 16, 2014, 05:47:32 AM
In some ways, this looks like an intervention. One of those events where family and friends gather around to tell someone they need to change. Maybe Brian does need to stop touring for his own good. Al and David were there for C50 and the Beck tour. They could have been seeing things they didn't like. Jeff, of course, would know better than anyone if Brian didn't seem up to touring anymore. It could be their way of giving Brian and his organization some tough love.

Yeah, but theb Al was in the studio with Brian like 2 weeks ago. So he seems to be ok with Brian.

For me, there is a falling out between Brian or Brian's camp and Jeffrey. He has not been portrayed in any of the many pictures of recent sessions that have appeared. He is not recording guide vocals for Brian- Matt is. So this is not just a matter of wanting a regular job. Jeff is obviously no longer a part of Brian's entourage.

This is how it's looking. But then three years ago it looked like the principal players in the main BBs band would never work together again.

Let's face it, we can never be sure what is and what is not until it's been was.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 16, 2014, 05:58:29 AM
There's so many shocking and strange things about this press release that the Christian Love news is taking a back seat. Who woulda thunk it? Caught me totally off guard. I didn't think Christian Love was even into the music that much, albeit based entirely on his underwhelming body language on stage, and, while having a pleasant voice not really blowing you away. Nevertheless, good luck to Christian. Maybe Christian can show his dad how it's done, you know, releasing a solo album in today's music world.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: lostbeachboy on May 16, 2014, 06:24:39 AM
Lets not forget Mr. Foskett is JUST a supporting musician......


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: The Shift on May 16, 2014, 06:28:49 AM
Maybe Christian can show his dad how it's done, you know, releasing a solo album in today's music world.

Looking Back With Dad? Unleash The Kids?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cyncie on May 16, 2014, 06:37:45 AM
From Ray's comment, it doesn't sound like Brian has any ill will toward Jeff. It's possible it's nothing more than just a change in contractual agreement that makes it necessary for Jeff to work where work is available. If he was previously on retainer, and that changed, he may need to get out and work a little more. Less a falling out, and more a business decision.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2014, 06:42:31 AM
In some ways, this looks like an intervention. One of those events where family and friends gather around to tell someone they need to change. Maybe Brian does need to stop touring for his own good. Al and David were there for C50 and the Beck tour. They could have been seeing things they didn't like. Jeff, of course, would know better than anyone if Brian didn't seem up to touring anymore. It could be their way of giving Brian and his organization some tough love.

While this is an interesting theory to briefly consider, I don’t think this could possibly be the case. More than anything, as I’ve often said about Brian’s touring, any legitimate concern over whether he should be touring could have just as easily been voiced in 1999. Other than being older and a bit more brittle and moving a bit slower, there is nothing drastically different about the question of whether Brian should be “out there.” If Foskett has made it through 15 years of all the weirdness associated with Brian and Brian touring, I can’t see what would have happened on that 2013 tour that would all of a sudden require an “intervention.” If an intervention is required in 2014, it was kind of required in 1999.

Additionally, Al Jardine has commented about the tour after it happened, and most tellingly, has appeared in the studio with Brian mere weeks ago apparently.

Another theory to chew on: Could Joe Thomas be the impetus in any way for Foskett leaving? There may not have been any huge blow-up or falling out, but even if Thomas doesn’t wield all the power in Brian’s projects, he may be asserting enough control on the proceedings (both in-studio and touring; if Thomas is indeed involved in the business side of Brian’s tours now, which I’m not sure) and simply voicing a preference that doesn’t include Foskett in the mix. Maybe it’s a scenario where, even though Foskett hasn’t always been at every Brian session, he has noticed less and less invites to the sessions, maybe also saw an indicator of less touring, maybe also some business-related indications that pay and/or number of shows might be lessened, and maybe then he fortuitously was offered a rare opening in Mike’s band, and weighed all the options and took the gig. So we may have a scenario where there wasn’t some huge falling out, but more of a case of slowly being marginalized to the point of seeing both creative and financial benefits to taking a new job offer.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2014, 06:47:05 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beach-boys-plan-tour-to-celebrate-50-years-of-fun-fun-fun-20140515

WOW. This is shocking.
Christian has a lot going on with his beach volleyball, his own band, and Cal Saga (if they are still working together) and has been  wonderful to watch as he grew in the job.  I will miss his singing very much.  His voice does echo that Wilson-Love quality (Carl, in my opinion) - and there is a lot of vocal voltage on that stage.  He has brought a sort of sublime quality to the Touring Band, with that yearning feel that Carl brought to the work.   I hope it isn't as permanent as it it made to sound, as he has done a great job. Career choices are often tough.  I will miss him, but wish him well in his other endeavors!

But Jeff Foskett doesn't need a road map, either, and worked with the band a long time.  

More falsetto!  A beautiful thing!  ;)

Beach volleyball, a solo career that has yielded few if any actual releases or live shows (has he actually released any music or done any of his own solo live shows?), and a Cal Saga band that has apparently played a small hand full of short opening sets and has sporadically done some recording, those all sound like the textbook definition of "hobby" projects to me.

Kind of sounds like Al saying he has "a lot going on" because he's grooming his horses and working on his new remix of "Loop de Loop."  :lol

Seriously, the fact that, to the small degree we are aware of, Christian Love did *not* have a lot else going on actually potentially gives me more respect for ditching the easy, lucrative paycheck that surely comes along with playing in Mike's band. Or, perhaps he's just *REALLY* bored with the touring.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: donald on May 16, 2014, 06:59:08 AM
Reading all of this, I wonder which band could offer someone like JF the better salary; The Beach Boys or the Brian Wilson Band.........is it possible with Christian leaving that ML made JF an offer he couldn't refuse? 


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: filledeplage on May 16, 2014, 07:03:13 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beach-boys-plan-tour-to-celebrate-50-years-of-fun-fun-fun-20140515
WOW. This is shocking.
Christian has a lot going on with his beach volleyball, his own band, and Cal Saga (if they are still working together) and has been  wonderful to watch as he grew in the job.  I will miss his singing very much.  His voice does echo that Wilson-Love quality (Carl, in my opinion) - and there is a lot of vocal voltage on that stage.  He has brought a sort of sublime quality to the Touring Band, with that yearning feel that Carl brought to the work.   I hope it isn't as permanent as it it made to sound, as he has done a great job. Career choices are often tough.  I will miss him, but wish him well in his other endeavors!

But Jeff Foskett doesn't need a road map, either, and worked with the band a long time.  

More falsetto!  A beautiful thing!  ;)

Beach volleyball, a solo career that has yielded few if any actual releases or live shows (has he actually released any music or done any of his own solo live shows?), and a Cal Saga band that has apparently played a small hand full of short opening sets and has sporadically done some recording, those all sound like the textbook definition of "hobby" projects to me.

Kind of sounds like Al saying he has "a lot going on" because he's grooming his horses and working on his new remix of "Loop de Loop."  :lol

Seriously, the fact that, to the small degree we are aware of, Christian Love did *not* have a lot else going on actually potentially gives me more respect for ditching the easy, lucrative paycheck that surely comes along with playing in Mike's band. Or, perhaps he's just *REALLY* bored with the touring.
Just about all that is mentioned is pure speculation.  I wish  this very nice, and talented young man good luck...

We don't know, and I'm not guessing.  Que sera, sera...


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: leggo of my ego on May 16, 2014, 07:13:29 AM
Whatever the reasons may be for Jeff's move - this gives the touring band a huge shot in the arm.

I would seriously consider going to see a performance, if it was close enough.  :p


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on May 16, 2014, 07:13:59 AM
I keep seeing people post stuff like "Jeff Foskett is not on Brian's new album." Do we know that for sure? All I remember seeing (and admittedly I don't check this board every single day) is that Matt Jardine sang on a session or two because Jeff wasn't available. I don't recall ever seeing it stated categorically that Jeff hasn't been on any sessions whatsoever.

I also have to say it's pretty crazy watching all the raving speculation that occurs here during times like these.




Can you imagine how good Brian's album will sound if Jeff isn't over Brian in every track?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2014, 07:15:24 AM
It’s a numbers game to the degree we can guess. Even if Brian pays his guys more per show (not that it’s structured on a per-show basis; we don’t know, but it probably involves a payment or payments for the time spent touring), one would make more playing with Mike since he will always be playing more gigs. Even Brian’s most active touring years haven’t usually approached 100 gigs per year, and while I don’t buy that Brian is “retiring” from touring, he surely played fewer shows in 2013 than Mike did and any 2014 tour schedule for Brian will result in far fewer gigs than Mike.

As I mentioned previously, the only way you would be able to make anywhere near as steady of an income working with Brian is if he kept you on a retainer/under contract all year. Considering reports in previous years that alleged Brian’s tour lost money or barely broke even, it seems unlikely he keeps anyone on such a retainer. Also, it’s a bit easier (as we’re seeing now) in the BB universe to get temp or permanent replacements for some of these guys, as there’s a pretty big “pool” of guys who move between all these bands. True, Brian doesn’t work from this pool as much, but even Brian in the past has grabbed guys like Billy Hinsche and Gary Griffin for tours. There are all those ex-Mike guys like Farmer, Bardowell, etc. who play with Dave and Al. Randell Kirsche was doing fill-in gigs with Al before he joined Mike’s band.

Jeff would have always probably made more money touring with Mike. But it seems that only now did the factors converge, namely an opening occurring and Mike feeling comfortable making the offer.

Here’s an interesting, if not terribly likely, scenario to ponder: If Jeff has had some sort of falling out with Brian’s camp, if we do ever see the full group attempt to tour together again, will Jeff be part of that tour?   :lol


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: STE on May 16, 2014, 07:15:55 AM
Well that's how I imagine it:

Riiiing!
Jeff: Hello?
Mike: Hey Jeff, is Mike!
Jeff: Dr.Love! How are you?
Mike: all good, all good! Listen, my son Christian is leaving the band soon. Jackie and I were wondering if you were interested on taking his place?
Jeff: Oh wow, I'd be honored.  But you know, I'm with Brian and.. I'm not sure it would be the right thing to do..
Mike: We tour 200 days per year. It would pay xxxxx$ per year.
Jeff: emh.. let me call Melinda and discuss it ok?
Mike: Ok. I'm going to the beach with my babe now.  Good vibes to you

Riiiing!
Melinda: Hello?
Jeff: Hi Melinda, it's Jeff!
Melinda: Hey Jeffy! Always good to hear from you!
Jeff: Listen.. Mike offered me a permanent place in his touring band.  It pays well. How would you feel if I took the job?
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: I could still play those few gigs with Brian in the fall, I can ask Mike to replace me
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: Thank you for understanding Melinda! No hard feelings then?
Melida: It's just business Jeffrey
Jeff: Will you tell Brian?
Melinda: Yes. Goodbye Jeffrey, farewell

Melinda: umh.. I need to remember to tell this to Bri..  hey look a new dog! I forgot we bought this one too


And that's how Jeff got the job and Brian never got to hear about it.
Very simple.







Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2014, 07:19:00 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beach-boys-plan-tour-to-celebrate-50-years-of-fun-fun-fun-20140515
WOW. This is shocking.
Christian has a lot going on with his beach volleyball, his own band, and Cal Saga (if they are still working together) and has been  wonderful to watch as he grew in the job.  I will miss his singing very much.  His voice does echo that Wilson-Love quality (Carl, in my opinion) - and there is a lot of vocal voltage on that stage.  He has brought a sort of sublime quality to the Touring Band, with that yearning feel that Carl brought to the work.   I hope it isn't as permanent as it it made to sound, as he has done a great job. Career choices are often tough.  I will miss him, but wish him well in his other endeavors!

But Jeff Foskett doesn't need a road map, either, and worked with the band a long time.  

More falsetto!  A beautiful thing!  ;)

Beach volleyball, a solo career that has yielded few if any actual releases or live shows (has he actually released any music or done any of his own solo live shows?), and a Cal Saga band that has apparently played a small hand full of short opening sets and has sporadically done some recording, those all sound like the textbook definition of "hobby" projects to me.

Kind of sounds like Al saying he has "a lot going on" because he's grooming his horses and working on his new remix of "Loop de Loop."  :lol

Seriously, the fact that, to the small degree we are aware of, Christian Love did *not* have a lot else going on actually potentially gives me more respect for ditching the easy, lucrative paycheck that surely comes along with playing in Mike's band. Or, perhaps he's just *REALLY* bored with the touring.
Just about all that is mentioned is pure speculation.  I wish  this very nice, and talented young man good luck...

We don't know, and I'm not guessing.  Que sera, sera...

True. "He has a lot going on" is kind of a guess too, though, and the only items mentioned in that list of "things" doesn't measure up to a "lot of things going on" to me. As I said, it speaks more to the potential boldness of leaving the band if a lot else isn't going on.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2014, 07:23:26 AM
Well that's how I imagine it:

Riiiing!
Jeff: Hello?
Mike: Hey Jeff, is Mike!
Jeff: Dr.Love! How are you?
Mike: all good, all good! Listen, my son Christian is leaving the band soon. Jackie and I were wondering if you were interested on taking his place?
Jeff: Oh wow, I'd be honored.  But you know, I'm with Brian and.. I'm not sure it would be the right thing to do..
Mike: We tour 200 days per year. It would pay xxxxx$ per year.
Jeff: emh.. let me call Melinda and discuss it ok?
Mike: Ok. I'm going to the beach with my babe now.  Good vibes to you

Riiiing!
Melinda: Hello?
Jeff: Hi Melinda, it's Jeff!
Melinda: Hey Jeffy! Always good to hear from you!
Jeff: Listen.. Mike offered me a permanent place in his touring band.  It pays well. How would you feel if I took the job?
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: I could still play those few gigs with Brian in the fall, I can ask Mike to replace me
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: Thank you for understanding Melinda! No hard feelings then?
Melida: It's just business Jeffrey
Jeff: Will you tell Brian?
Melinda: Yes. Goodbye Jeffrey, farewell

Melinda: umh.. I need to remember to tell this to Bri..  hey look a new dog! I forgot we bought this one too


And that's how Jeff got the job and Brian never got to hear about it.
Very simple.







You forgot the additional phone call from Al:

-Phone Rings-

Al: Hi Melinda, so what are the touring plans for later this year?

Melinda: Actually Milton, er, Al, we’re going to be moving your desk to the basement. So, umm, yeah, we’re going to ask you to spray for bugs while you’re down there. Oh yeah, and Foskett bailed, so I sure hope you can do the high part on “Papa Oom Mow Mow.”


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2014, 07:25:18 AM
It’s a bit funny, if Brian really did learn about this via a phone call from a friend who read a Rolling Stone article, it is a bit reminiscent of Al learning about Mike’s 1998 Super Bowl gig only when it appeared on TV. I’ve actually always wondered if that meant Al had actually sat down with his chicken wings and chips and dip and truly actually learned of the gig while watching it live on TV.   :lol


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Jon Stebbins on May 16, 2014, 07:50:00 AM
If I've know about this change for months, and other people I know who aren't in the band or in the family or employed by the group have known about it for months, then is it really possible that Brian didn't know about it? I think Brian probably pulled a Brian on that question.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: drbeachboy on May 16, 2014, 07:53:48 AM
If I've know about this change for months, and other people I know who aren't in the band or in the family or employed by the group have known about it for months, then is it really possible that Brian didn't know about it? I think Brian probably pulled a Brian on that question.
Absolutely!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: pixletwin on May 16, 2014, 07:58:48 AM
If I've know about this change for months, and other people I know who aren't in the band or in the family or employed by the group have known about it for months, then is it really possible that Brian didn't know about it? I think Brian probably pulled a Brian on that question.

My thoughts exactly. It struck me as the same as when a friend walks up to you and says "Hey, you got a haircut!" My response is usually "I DID??!!!??"


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: donald on May 16, 2014, 08:04:15 AM
If I've know about this change for months, and other people I know who aren't in the band or in the family or employed by the group have known about it for months, then is it really possible that Brian didn't know about it? I think Brian probably pulled a Brian on that question.

so are you saying you have know about this for months?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cam Mott on May 16, 2014, 08:05:28 AM
Maybe Jeff just wanted a change. People get tired of things and want to do something different.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mikie on May 16, 2014, 08:24:50 AM
If I've known about this change for months, and other people I know who aren't in the band or in the family or employed by the group have known about it for months, then is it really possible that Brian didn't know about it? I think Brian probably pulled a Brian on that question.

That's what I was thinking too.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on May 16, 2014, 08:40:20 AM
In a way, this shouldn't be as surprising as it is--we already knew that Jeff wasn't with Brian, and he is certainly a good fit for playing with the M&B Beach Boys.  My guess (and it's only a guess) is that the Beach Boys didn't offer Jeff a job until he had either already parted ways with Brian, or that Jeff had given some sort of indication that he was thinking about doing so; I find it difficult to imagine that Mike and Bruce have just started poaching members of Brian's band for their own amusement.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2014, 08:47:02 AM
If I've know about this change for months, and other people I know who aren't in the band or in the family or employed by the group have known about it for months, then is it really possible that Brian didn't know about it? I think Brian probably pulled a Brian on that question.

Exactly, I would agree. Either he was being Brian-style coy or non-responsive, or he genuinely in that moment re-forgot about it or something. I've heard interviews with him where he seems to genuinely not remember things that clearly he did know at some point in the past. I'm now having a random memory of a circa 1985 radio interview with Brian where he's asked about the "Surf's Up" album and specifically "Take a Load Off Your Feet", and he seemed to react and respond as if the interviewer is from Mars or speaking another language or something, like he has absolutely zero idea what the hell the interviewer is talking about.

One of the reasons I keep trying to say "Foskett" instead of Jeff is due to the other threads discussing the Jeff Beck tour, so there's no confusion. But now I'm envisioning Brian getting a call asking about "Jeff joining the Beach Boys", so now I'm picturing that Brian thinks Jeff Beck joined the Beach Boys. "Oh great, yeah, Mike Love will love those ten minute jazz fusion instrumentals."   :lol


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2014, 08:51:28 AM
In a way, this shouldn't be as surprising as it is--we already knew that Jeff wasn't with Brian, and he is certainly a good fit for playing with the M&B Beach Boys.  My guess (and it's only a guess) is that the Beach Boys didn't offer Jeff a job until he had either already parted ways with Brian, or that Jeff had given some sort of indication that he was thinking about doing so; I find it difficult to imagine that Mike and Bruce have just started poaching members of Brian's band for their own amusement.

I never got the sense that Mike Love really warmed to anyone in Brian's band other than Foskett, who of course he had recruited and had already worked with. Did Mike ever even literally speak the name of any other band members? He would always introduce Foskett or Totten during their vocal turns, but when Darian sang "Darlin'", it sounded like Foskett always named Darian afterwards, not Mike.

It seemed like Bruce at least attempted to warm up to the other band members, or at least talk about them publically a bit. I recall him plugging Nelson Bragg's album on the BB Britain board I believe.

I still love the piece of trivia that, as I recall, the first Beach Boys concert Darian attended was the opening night of the reunon tour with him in the band!  :lol

To further digress, I wonder how many guys in Brian's band, prior to playing with Brian, had attended a BB concert in the 70's or 80's....


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Lowbacca on May 16, 2014, 08:58:58 AM
Maybe Jeff just wanted a change. People get tired of things and want to do something different.
Like.. playing the same old BBs catalogue in another band for a change?

(http://s.myniceprofile.com/myspacepic/1136/113696.gif)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Ray Lawlor on May 16, 2014, 09:03:15 AM
If I've know about this change for months, and other people I know who aren't in the band or in the family or employed by the group have known about it for months, then is it really possible that Brian didn't know about it? I think Brian probably pulled a Brian on that question.

Jon;
I don't think so.  While it was no secret internally that Jeff was moving on , nobody knew that he was joining up with Mike and Bruce ; I have spent a lot of time with Brian in the last 20 years and I usually can ascertain when he is "pulling a Brian"; there is a subtle nuance to that ; to me he clearly did not know.  I am not sure if what I hear you saying is that you did know that Jeff was joining forces with the touring BB's or that you knew for months that Jeff had departed the BW organization.

 I just saw the following posted at BW.com:

"Yesterday I found out that Jeff has decided to tour with Mike Love's BB's. I think its great since he really loved touring with Mike and the boys back in the day. He made it clear at the end of the JB tour that he would be moving on . I wish him the best and I'm happy for him. As for me , I'm busy in the studio working on my new album. A couple months ago I asked Matt Jardine to tour with my band and he accepted. He's a great guy and I love his voice. He's busy working with Paul and Darian and eager to get started. All good- Brian"

Personally, I think its great for Jeff; he has done a tremendous job singing Brian's music since what ; 1984 ? It now comes full circle and Jeff is back to where he started, as it was Mike who originally brought him in. I am sure the touring band will be better for it. I am also  certain that this didn't all just happen yesterday ;these things don't work that way. I would assume there has been some lengthy negotiations between Mike and Jeff , which , and only my assumption , must have been extremely confidential or somewhere along the line this info would have leaked.

cheers  Ray


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 16, 2014, 09:12:00 AM
So there we have it. Good luck to Jeff I say. Maybe the guy just wanted to keep busy for awhile and now he has a whole touring season ahead of him. All the best Jeff.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: drbeachboy on May 16, 2014, 09:12:13 AM
No matter how many bands pop up, it's still the family business. These guys can pop in and out of each other's bands and fit right in. I'm happy for both Jeff & Matt. Now, I wonder who will become Brian's right hand man when they head out on the road.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on May 16, 2014, 09:14:20 AM
Melinda: Hey Brian, Jeff Foskett is joining Mike and Bruce's band.

Brian: Who's Jeff Foskett? And who are Mike and Bruce?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 16, 2014, 09:16:24 AM
It`s interesting that only at the ELLA awards Mike thanked Jeff for being Brian`s `care giver` for the past 16 years. So this is certainly a curious turn of events.

Good point. I could see Jeff getting tired of being Brian's caregiver if he felt underappreciated and underpaid. Foskett was not just another supporting musician to Brian, and that had to be a stressful job.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 16, 2014, 09:16:53 AM
Now, I wonder who will become Brian's right hand man when they head out on the road.

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Mystery Man Shane.....Sitting on Brians right!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on May 16, 2014, 09:17:19 AM
Haha maybe Jeff just wanted to tour more. Not everything is an interpersonal meltdown. Have you never switched jobs before, even though you liked the people you were working with already, just to do something different (or more lucrative)? These are professional musicians. They do this to make a living, not just to follow their muses.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: lee on May 16, 2014, 09:25:47 AM
I'm happy to hear Jeff is now with the touring BB. Who better to replace Christian than someone who has been associated with The Beach Boys for decades. Here's to hoping Al and David will make many more appearances with Mike, Bruce and Jeff in the future.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Foster's Freeze on May 16, 2014, 09:26:06 AM
What's next? Bobby Figueroa and Carli Munoz being brought back too?!?!?  :afro


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2014, 09:30:20 AM
It`s interesting that only at the ELLA awards Mike thanked Jeff for being Brian`s `care giver` for the past 16 years. So this is certainly a curious turn of events.

Good point. I could see Jeff getting tired of being Brian's caregiver if he felt underappreciated and underpaid. Foskett was not just another supporting musician to Brian, and that had to be a stressful job.

It may be a fine point, but I’d like to clarify (and, yes, defend Mike in a sense) in that he didn’t refer to Foskett as Brian’s “caregiver”, but rather:

“I am most grateful to Jeff for having taken such wonderful care of my cousin Brian for so many years…”

It would, to me, be potentially a bit more pejorative towards Brian to refer to someone around him as a “caregiver”, as opposed to “taking care” of Brian, sort of like telling your son-in-law to make sure he takes good care of your daughter, as opposed to acting as a “caregiver” as if it’s a live-in nurse situation or something.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mayoman on May 16, 2014, 09:33:51 AM
Jeff is about as close as they come to being an official Beach Boy without being one. I will miss Christian Love though, who had a great tone to his voice and always seemed humble on stage. I hope that Al and Dave do a fair amount of show with M&B&J in the future, preferably somewhere close by. I think Jeff being in the touring band makes that a greater possibility of happening more frequently.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2014, 09:34:35 AM
I'm happy to hear Jeff is now with the touring BB. Who better to replace Christian than someone who has been associated with The Beach Boys for decades. Here's to hoping Al and David will make many more appearances with Mike, Bruce and Jeff in the future.

As I mentioned elsewhere, I hope Al is utilized by Brian *and* Mike as much as possible. But with Matt Jardine joining Brian’s band (which, as objective as I can be, excites me more than Jeff joining Mike’s band), I would definitely like to see Al and Dave continue with Brian’s band. They have a better shot in Brian’s band at having at least a few more leads, and while Mike’s setlist is more interesting now than it was five or ten years ago, Brian’s band is also more likely to potentially afford Al and Dave the chance to do some interesting songs.

Of course, only in Bizarro Beach Boys Land could we potentially have Matt Jardine in Brian’s band, but now not Al. Hopefully, though, with Al only slated for one Mike/Bruce show, and Al still recording with Brian, we have a good chance to see Al and Dave (and Matt) all in on a Brian tour.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2014, 09:40:33 AM
What's next? Bobby Figueroa and Carli Munoz being brought back too?!?!?  :afro

 :lol

I do get the sense that unlike Foskett, some of the other guys who have left Mike’s Beach Boys (pre and post-Carl and Al’s departure) have not done so particularly amicably. Back in the late 90’s, there was an interview online (perhaps on Foskett’s website) where Foskett discussed the slightly awkward circumstances (by his account) of why he left the touring BB’s in 1990. It sounded like one or two members in particular were the impetus. Not sure if that interview is still online.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2014, 09:46:28 AM
Courtesy of the "Internet Wayback Machine", here is that late 90's interview with Foskett:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990221115314/http://www.new-surf.com/interv.html

The pertinent part about leaving in 1990:

AMP: One last Beach Boys question…why did you leave in 1990?

FOSKETT: I was asked to leave by Michael and Carl. I know that during the past several months there has been some discussion over the internet on my departure, and I will set the record straight now. I was having an affair outside my marriage that was causing a great deal of turmoil in the closely-knit BB organization. All the wives traveled on the road at one time or another, and seeing me with someone other than my wife made them suspicious of their husbands. Not a good scene. My ego was way out of control. I think Michael thought that I was holding back money from the side gigs that he and I did with the Endless Summer Beach Band, and so he was unhappy about that, and Carl was unhappy with my ego and my affair. They did the right thing by letting me go; right for them and definitely right for me. I needed to straighten up and get back into "the real world." I did, and my wife and I will soon be celebrating our 11th anniversary.

AMP: Jeff, I appreciate your honesty…

FOSKETT: John, there have been so many contrived stories regarding me using Platinum American Express cards and other false statements that I am happy to tell the truth. There are so many "authorities" on the internet that really know absolutely nothing!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Foster's Freeze on May 16, 2014, 09:47:18 AM
Love the wayback machine!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: smyleysmyle on May 16, 2014, 10:02:45 AM
From Jeff Foskett's FB page about 20 minutes ago:

Jeffrey Foskett
17 minutes ago
Thank you for all of your kind words regarding my career change. I am very much looking forward to touring with The Beach Boys. It’s where I started my professional career and it feels like a “homecoming” for me. It’s going to be a blast performing with Michael, Bruce, Scott, Timmy, Randelle and Cowsey. I am very grateful to Brian for his years of friendship, music, support and teaching. We’re still great friends and I’m sure Matt will be a stellar addition to his band. As for me … No Drama, No Hard Feelings, No Weirdness … simply time for a change. I look forward to seeing you out on the road this year!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Lowbacca on May 16, 2014, 10:09:39 AM
It's settled, then. :) Good luck to Foskett and Jardine Jr.!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: joshferrell on May 16, 2014, 10:12:35 AM
wouldn't it be cool if this is happening because Brian is in the studio laying down tracks (like he did with Pet Sounds) while everyone else is touring getting  the beach boys name out there and when they get back they will all place their voices on the tracks, hence a new beach boys reunion album?? if so this album could be amazing!!!! think about it.. Brian has back pain decides to produce an album for the boys but tells them he won't tour right now, maybe if he feels better after the album is done,, remember he did this throughout the 60's so it's not like it's nothing new..and maybe he did know about Jeff but is simply being "secretive" about it by acting like he didn't know....just a thought...


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cam Mott on May 16, 2014, 10:15:18 AM
Maybe Jeff just wanted a change. People get tired of things and want to do something different.
Like.. playing the same old BBs catalogue in another band for a change?

(http://s.myniceprofile.com/myspacepic/1136/113696.gif)

Yeah. Different guys etc..


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cam Mott on May 16, 2014, 10:19:46 AM
From Jeff Foskett's FB page about 20 minutes ago:

Jeffrey Foskett
17 minutes ago
Thank you for all of your kind words regarding my career change. I am very much looking forward to touring with The Beach Boys. It’s where I started my professional career and it feels like a “homecoming” for me. It’s going to be a blast performing with Michael, Bruce, Scott, Timmy, Randelle and Cowsey. I am very grateful to Brian for his years of friendship, music, support and teaching. We’re still great friends and I’m sure Matt will be a stellar addition to his band. As for me … No Drama, No Hard Feelings, No Weirdness … simply time for a change. I look forward to seeing you out on the road this year!

I nailed it.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Shady on May 16, 2014, 10:21:58 AM
Still feels like weird, can't help but feel bad for brian in all this


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 16, 2014, 10:23:01 AM
Interesting that he decided to leave either during or right after the Jeff Beck tour.  I just find it interesting that there were some fans here who observed Jeff being a guiding hand to Brian off stage as well as on. Somebody is going to have to fill that role. "Caregiver" might be too strong a word, but isn't "taking care" of someone more than the average band member is required to do. Hence, Jeff Beck's reference to Brian needing extra help. Perhaps Foskett and Beck starting talking about Foskett's role, and Beck told him, "Wot, mate? You need to look out for yourself. They're not paying you enough for the extra time you spend helping out Brian." And thus was (re)born the alliance of Foskett and Love.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Micha on May 16, 2014, 10:28:17 AM
Well that's how I imagine it:

Riiiing!
Jeff: Hello?
Mike: Hey Jeff, is Mike!
Jeff: Dr.Love! How are you?
Mike: all good, all good! Listen, my son Christian is leaving the band soon. Jackie and I were wondering if you were interested on taking his place?
Jeff: Oh wow, I'd be honored.  But you know, I'm with Brian and.. I'm not sure it would be the right thing to do..
Mike: We tour 200 days per year. It would pay xxxxx$ per year.
Jeff: emh.. let me call Melinda and discuss it ok?
Mike: Ok. I'm going to the beach with my babe now.  Good vibes to you

Riiiing!
Melinda: Hello?
Jeff: Hi Melinda, it's Jeff!
Melinda: Hey Jeffy! Always good to hear from you!
Jeff: Listen.. Mike offered me a permanent place in his touring band.  It pays well. How would you feel if I took the job?
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: I could still play those few gigs with Brian in the fall, I can ask Mike to replace me
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: Thank you for understanding Melinda! No hard feelings then?
Melida: It's just business Jeffrey
Jeff: Will you tell Brian?
Melinda: Yes. Goodbye Jeffrey, farewell

Melinda: umh.. I need to remember to tell this to Bri..  hey look a new dog! I forgot we bought this one too

Hey, how did you get hold of a copy of the "Love And Mercy" screenplay?!?

You left out this bit though:

Brian: Hi Mike, this is Brian. How are ya? Say, wanna trade drummers, too?
Mike: Hmmm... well, our drummer is much better than yours, I'd give him away only if your percussionist comes with him.



I never got the sense that Mike Love really warmed to anyone in Brian's band other than Foskett, who of course he had recruited and had already worked with. Did Mike ever even literally speak the name of any other band members? He would always introduce Foskett or Totten during their vocal turns, but when Darian sang "Darlin'", it sounded like Foskett always named Darian afterwards, not Mike.

He probably just was unable to pronounce "Sahanaja". :-D


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cabinessenceking on May 16, 2014, 10:29:04 AM
Well that's how I imagine it:

Riiiing!
Jeff: Hello?
Mike: Hey Jeff, is Mike!
Jeff: Dr.Love! How are you?
Mike: all good, all good! Listen, my son Christian is leaving the band soon. Jackie and I were wondering if you were interested on taking his place?
Jeff: Oh wow, I'd be honored.  But you know, I'm with Brian and.. I'm not sure it would be the right thing to do..
Mike: We tour 200 days per year. It would pay xxxxx$ per year.
Jeff: emh.. let me call Melinda and discuss it ok?
Mike: Ok. I'm going to the beach with my babe now.  Good vibes to you

Riiiing!
Melinda: Hello?
Jeff: Hi Melinda, it's Jeff!
Melinda: Hey Jeffy! Always good to hear from you!
Jeff: Listen.. Mike offered me a permanent place in his touring band.  It pays well. How would you feel if I took the job?
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: I could still play those few gigs with Brian in the fall, I can ask Mike to replace me
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: Thank you for understanding Melinda! No hard feelings then?
Melida: It's just business Jeffrey
Jeff: Will you tell Brian?
Melinda: Yes. Goodbye Jeffrey, farewell

Melinda: umh.. I need to remember to tell this to Bri..  hey look a new dog! I forgot we bought this one too


And that's how Jeff got the job and Brian never got to hear about it.
Very simple.







wow  ;D


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Micha on May 16, 2014, 10:30:25 AM
FOSKETT: I was asked to leave by Michael and Carl. I know that during the past several months there has been some discussion over the internet on my departure, and I will set the record straight now. I was having an affair outside my marriage that was causing a great deal of turmoil in the closely-knit BB organization. All the wives traveled on the road at one time or another, and seeing me with someone other than my wife made them suspicious of their husbands. Not a good scene. My ego was way out of control. I think Michael thought that I was holding back money from the side gigs that he and I did with the Endless Summer Beach Band, and so he was unhappy about that, and Carl was unhappy with my ego and my affair. They did the right thing by letting me go; right for them and definitely right for me. I needed to straighten up and get back into "the real world." I did, and my wife and I will soon be celebrating our 11th anniversary.

Mike wants someone he can blame for the young chicks and tell his own wife: "No, that's Foskett's groupie." ;D


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on May 16, 2014, 10:43:22 AM
Brian has been touring for 15 years now -- we were amazed to see one.  The band has been essentially stable over that time with a few shifts and Foskett as one of the backbones.. They toured new music, Pet Sounds, *Smile*.  When I saw them do Pet Sounds (3rd time for me) with Beck I thought perhaps the sails  were losing a little wind.  Some nice gimmicks (esp Blondie) but it makes sense perhaps for people to begin to move on.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Robbie Mac on May 16, 2014, 10:44:40 AM
Still feels like weird, can't help but feel bad for brian in all this

Don't be.

"Yesterday, I found out that Jeff has decided to tour with Mike Love's bb.  I think it's great since he really loved touring with Mike and the boys back in the day.  He made it clear at the end of the JB tour he would be moving on. I wish him the best and I'm happy for him.
 
As for me, I'm busy in the studio working on my new album. A couple months ago I asked Matt Jardine to tour with my band and he accepted. He's a great guy and I love his voice.  He's busy working with Paul and Darian and eager to get started.  All good!!

- Brian"


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Bicyclerider on May 16, 2014, 11:30:55 AM
It's my understanding (and someone will correct me I'm sure if this is wrong) that Jeff was not particularly a fan of the "deep cuts" included in Brian's set list, he liked doing the "hits" just as he did back in the day with Mike Love.  So they are on the same page when it comes to choosing and performing live material.  I was not aware of why and how he left the Beach Boys - amazing honest answers to the question asked.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2014, 11:42:14 AM
It's my understanding (and someone will correct me I'm sure if this is wrong) that Jeff was not particularly a fan of the "deep cuts" included in Brian's set list, he liked doing the "hits" just as he did back in the day with Mike Love.  So they are on the same page when it comes to choosing and performing live material.  I was not aware of why and how he left the Beach Boys - amazing honest answers to the question asked.

I've never had the sense Foskett doesn't like the deep cuts, but rather that he's maybe not as much of a nerd about super-deep cuts as someone like Darian. I've heard vague stories over the years that this was an area where Foskett didn't mix perfectly with some of the rest of the band, as he indeed started in the Mike Love school of knocking out the hits, and of course bands like Papa Doo Run Run don't exactly bust out "Smile" material either. So he was probably used to stuff like the old "tour band" arrangement of "Help Me Rhonda" instead of trying to replicate the original record.

Then there is the infamous perception (which may come from an actual comment or interview, I don't know) that Foskett isn't into the "Love You" album, which to some Brian fans signifies some sort of lack of understanding or appreciation of Brian's deep cuts.

Whatever the case, I'm pretty sure Foskett will be able to anchor Mike's band in his sleep.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Heysaboda on May 16, 2014, 11:48:39 AM
So now the Beach Boys core members are:

Mike Love - skin flute, tambourine, lead and backing vocals
Bruce Johnston - keyboard, bass, handclaps, microphone setup, lead and backing vocals
Jeff Foskett – guitar, mandolin, percussion, lead and backing vocals
Scott Totten – lead guitar, lead and backing vocals, musical director
Randell Kirsch – bass, lead and backing vocals
Tim Bonhomme – keyboards, piano
John Cowsill – drums, bongos, vocals

You forgot John Stamos……  >:D


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 16, 2014, 11:53:35 AM
Well that's how I imagine it:

Riiiing!
Jeff: Hello?
Mike: Hey Jeff, is Mike!
Jeff: Dr.Love! How are you?
Mike: all good, all good! Listen, my son Christian is leaving the band soon. Jackie and I were wondering if you were interested on taking his place?
Jeff: Oh wow, I'd be honored.  But you know, I'm with Brian and.. I'm not sure it would be the right thing to do..
Mike: We tour 200 days per year. It would pay xxxxx$ per year.
Jeff: emh.. let me call Melinda and discuss it ok?
Mike: Ok. I'm going to the beach with my babe now.  Good vibes to you

Riiiing!
Melinda: Hello?
Jeff: Hi Melinda, it's Jeff!
Melinda: Hey Jeffy! Always good to hear from you!
Jeff: Listen.. Mike offered me a permanent place in his touring band.  It pays well. How would you feel if I took the job?
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: I could still play those few gigs with Brian in the fall, I can ask Mike to replace me
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: Thank you for understanding Melinda! No hard feelings then?
Melida: It's just business Jeffrey
Jeff: Will you tell Brian?
Melinda: Yes. Goodbye Jeffrey, farewell

Melinda: umh.. I need to remember to tell this to Bri..  hey look a new dog! I forgot we bought this one too


And that's how Jeff got the job and Brian never got to hear about it.
Very simple.

All kidding aside, that Brian didn't know his right-hand man have moved across town until a friend called him and told him yesterday is just mindblowing. And not in a good way.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: pixletwin on May 16, 2014, 11:57:15 AM
No one to feel bad for. By all accounts from the inside Brian is happy. Mike is happy. Jeff is happy. Matt is happy.

This is me, moving on.....

 :3d


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: drbeachboy on May 16, 2014, 11:58:28 AM
Well that's how I imagine it:

Riiiing!
Jeff: Hello?
Mike: Hey Jeff, is Mike!
Jeff: Dr.Love! How are you?
Mike: all good, all good! Listen, my son Christian is leaving the band soon. Jackie and I were wondering if you were interested on taking his place?
Jeff: Oh wow, I'd be honored.  But you know, I'm with Brian and.. I'm not sure it would be the right thing to do..
Mike: We tour 200 days per year. It would pay xxxxx$ per year.
Jeff: emh.. let me call Melinda and discuss it ok?
Mike: Ok. I'm going to the beach with my babe now.  Good vibes to you

Riiiing!
Melinda: Hello?
Jeff: Hi Melinda, it's Jeff!
Melinda: Hey Jeffy! Always good to hear from you!
Jeff: Listen.. Mike offered me a permanent place in his touring band.  It pays well. How would you feel if I took the job?
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: I could still play those few gigs with Brian in the fall, I can ask Mike to replace me
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: Thank you for understanding Melinda! No hard feelings then?
Melida: It's just business Jeffrey
Jeff: Will you tell Brian?
Melinda: Yes. Goodbye Jeffrey, farewell

Melinda: umh.. I need to remember to tell this to Bri..  hey look a new dog! I forgot we bought this one too


And that's how Jeff got the job and Brian never got to hear about it.
Very simple.

All kidding aside, that Brian didn't know his right-hand man have moved across town until a friend called him and told him yesterday is just mindblowing. And not in a good way.
Why? He knew for months that Jeff left. He already hired Matt. If Mike just made it official this week, I can understand Brian not knowing until yesterday.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: mikeddonn on May 16, 2014, 12:05:42 PM
With Jeff leaving how will Brian's band know when a song finishes without Jeff there to put his hand up? ::)

Another thing, I think Jeff did a great job for Brian over the years and it's good to see him now being praised a bit and people saying he'll do a good job for the Beach Boys band, as he's been knocked here over the years.

I'm sure they will all benefit from these changes, helps to freshen it up and I'm sure Brian's tour might have some interesting surprises lined up for the fall tour.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mikie on May 16, 2014, 12:11:55 PM
Well that's how I imagine it:

Riiiing!
Jeff: Hello?
Mike: Hey Jeff, is Mike!
Jeff: Dr.Love! How are you?
Mike: all good, all good! Listen, my son Christian is leaving the band soon. Jackie and I were wondering if you were interested on taking his place?
Jeff: Oh wow, I'd be honored.  But you know, I'm with Brian and.. I'm not sure it would be the right thing to do..
Mike: We tour 200 days per year. It would pay xxxxx$ per year.
Jeff: emh.. let me call Melinda and discuss it ok?
Mike: Ok. I'm going to the beach with my babe now.  Good vibes to you

Riiiing!
Melinda: Hello?
Jeff: Hi Melinda, it's Jeff!
Melinda: Hey Jeffy! Always good to hear from you!
Jeff: Listen.. Mike offered me a permanent place in his touring band.  It pays well. How would you feel if I took the job?
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: I could still play those few gigs with Brian in the fall, I can ask Mike to replace me
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: Thank you for understanding Melinda! No hard feelings then?
Melida: It's just business Jeffrey
Jeff: Will you tell Brian?
Melinda: Yes. Goodbye Jeffrey, farewell

Melinda: umh.. I need to remember to tell this to Bri..  hey look a new dog! I forgot we bought this one too


And that's how Jeff got the job and Brian never got to hear about it.
Very simple.

All kidding aside, that Brian didn't know his right-hand man have moved across town until a friend called him and told him yesterday is just mindblowing. And not in a good way.

You'd think Brian would have been one of the first to know about it.  Assuming that Jeff parted on good terms and it wasn't a secret as everyone has pretty much insinuated.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 16, 2014, 12:25:56 PM
Why all the concern about Jeff going with M&B? Brian has been happy to take his cut of the touring income they provide and endorses what they do. As he has said..."Its all good."



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: the professor on May 16, 2014, 12:26:19 PM
This discussion is geting mired down. Let Brian and Jeff simply be the independent men that thay are and respect the decision.  The larger question, I still maintain, is what does this mean for the future of the BB as a touring band and as recording artists.  The only telos that means anything to me is a new album with as many BB as possible; how many BB does it take to make it a BB album? What are the chances now that all 5 will make an album together? All except Brian? Would that  "be" a BB record?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 16, 2014, 12:36:17 PM
If they made an album without BW it would be a very shitty one.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 16, 2014, 12:40:07 PM
Well that's how I imagine it:

Riiiing!
Jeff: Hello?
Mike: Hey Jeff, is Mike!
Jeff: Dr.Love! How are you?
Mike: all good, all good! Listen, my son Christian is leaving the band soon. Jackie and I were wondering if you were interested on taking his place?
Jeff: Oh wow, I'd be honored.  But you know, I'm with Brian and.. I'm not sure it would be the right thing to do..
Mike: We tour 200 days per year. It would pay xxxxx$ per year.
Jeff: emh.. let me call Melinda and discuss it ok?
Mike: Ok. I'm going to the beach with my babe now.  Good vibes to you

Riiiing!
Melinda: Hello?
Jeff: Hi Melinda, it's Jeff!
Melinda: Hey Jeffy! Always good to hear from you!
Jeff: Listen.. Mike offered me a permanent place in his touring band.  It pays well. How would you feel if I took the job?
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: I could still play those few gigs with Brian in the fall, I can ask Mike to replace me
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: Thank you for understanding Melinda! No hard feelings then?
Melida: It's just business Jeffrey
Jeff: Will you tell Brian?
Melinda: Yes. Goodbye Jeffrey, farewell

Melinda: umh.. I need to remember to tell this to Bri..  hey look a new dog! I forgot we bought this one too


And that's how Jeff got the job and Brian never got to hear about it.
Very simple.

All kidding aside, that Brian didn't know his right-hand man have moved across town until a friend called him and told him yesterday is just mindblowing. And not in a good way.
Why? He knew for months that Jeff left. He already hired Matt. If Mike just made it official this week, I can understand Brian not knowing until yesterday.

It's one thing to leave a band because you wanted a change; it happens all the time. It's a much more meaningful change when you leave Brian Wilson's band to join Mike Love's band. And, it's even more meaningful (head scratching?) when you don't even notify Brian about that change. I still find that part stunning.

It's interesting...When Mike Love wanted to wrap up the 50th Reunion tour to go back to his previous touring arrangement, you know, to play substantially more dates at WalMarts and water parks, to play those moldy oldie-driven sets, to play in a stripped-type unit instead of the more artistically fulfilling Brian Wilson-type band, Mike Love was - and still is - criticized for that decision. Now, Jeff Foskett leaves the superior (in many fans' opinions on this board) Brian Wilson band to join that traveling jukebox (in many fans' opinions on this board), those same fans are "understanding" of Jeff's choice. Hmmmm. ??? :o


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 16, 2014, 12:41:37 PM
There is some kind of PR machination, to me, that the official press release notification of both Jeff joining the Beach Boys and Al/Dave joining the band were done on the same day. That Brian didn't know about it until the day of the press release may be part of the strategy. If people around Brian wanted to protect his feelings by not letting him know in advance of the Rolling Stone article, that doesn't seem like a good thing, to me, either. I also don't think he wrote that statement on his message board, or it would have been posted as "Brian Wilson," not "Admin."



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2014, 12:52:22 PM
This discussion is geting mired down. Let Brian and Jeff simply be the independent men that thay are and respect the decision.  The larger question, I still maintain, is what does this mean for the future of the BB as a touring band and as recording artists.  The only telos that means anything to me is a new album with as many BB as possible; how many BB does it take to make it a BB album? What are the chances now that all 5 will make an album together? All except Brian? Would that  "be" a BB record?

Mike licenses the BB name for touring purposes only, so what it would take for a new BB album would be Brian, Mike, and Al (and perhaps still Carl’s estate) to agree on whatever that album is.

Realistically, at this stage, I doubt we’ll see another Beach Boys album of new material unless all the guys get together again. Even if Al and David joined Mike’s band full-time, I doubt we would see another BB album without Brian’s participation, and it for sure couldn’t happen without his approval whether he wanted to participate or not.

I’m curious, if we don’t see more reunion activities, would Al and Mike’s “creative” collaboration appear on each other’s solo work? Al was asked about doing another solo album not too long ago, and he seemed kind of “meh” about it (although that was predicated more on being enthusiastic about more reunion activity), and it took him until 2010 to get one album out when he was seemingly enthusiastic about it. Since Mike hasn’t seemed motivated enough to put a full album out, and Al takes forever, I’m not sure when or if we’d ever see or hear their collaboration together unless another BB album happens. 


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 16, 2014, 12:53:13 PM
If they made an album without BW it would be a very shitty one.

That album was called 'Summer In Paradise'.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: drbeachboy on May 16, 2014, 12:53:46 PM
Well that's how I imagine it:

Riiiing!
Jeff: Hello?
Mike: Hey Jeff, is Mike!
Jeff: Dr.Love! How are you?
Mike: all good, all good! Listen, my son Christian is leaving the band soon. Jackie and I were wondering if you were interested on taking his place?
Jeff: Oh wow, I'd be honored.  But you know, I'm with Brian and.. I'm not sure it would be the right thing to do..
Mike: We tour 200 days per year. It would pay xxxxx$ per year.
Jeff: emh.. let me call Melinda and discuss it ok?
Mike: Ok. I'm going to the beach with my babe now.  Good vibes to you

Riiiing!
Melinda: Hello?
Jeff: Hi Melinda, it's Jeff!
Melinda: Hey Jeffy! Always good to hear from you!
Jeff: Listen.. Mike offered me a permanent place in his touring band.  It pays well. How would you feel if I took the job?
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: I could still play those few gigs with Brian in the fall, I can ask Mike to replace me
Melinda: well Jeffrey, it's your choice
Jeff: Thank you for understanding Melinda! No hard feelings then?
Melida: It's just business Jeffrey
Jeff: Will you tell Brian?
Melinda: Yes. Goodbye Jeffrey, farewell

Melinda: umh.. I need to remember to tell this to Bri..  hey look a new dog! I forgot we bought this one too


And that's how Jeff got the job and Brian never got to hear about it.
Very simple.

All kidding aside, that Brian didn't know his right-hand man have moved across town until a friend called him and told him yesterday is just mindblowing. And not in a good way.
Why? He knew for months that Jeff left. He already hired Matt. If Mike just made it official this week, I can understand Brian not knowing until yesterday.

It's one thing to leave a band because you wanted a change; it happens all the time. It's a much more meaningful change when you leave Brian Wilson's band to join Mike Love's band. And, it's even more meaningful (head scratching?) when you don't even notify Brian about that change. I still find that part stunning.

It's interesting...When Mike Love wanted to wrap up the 50th Reunion tour to go back to his previous touring arrangement, you know, to play substantially more dates at WalMarts and water parks, to play those moldy oldie-driven sets, to play in a stripped-type unit instead of the more artistically fulfilling Brian Wilson-type band, Mike Love was - and still is - criticized for that decision. Now, Jeff Foskett leaves the superior (in many fans' opinions on this board) Brian Wilson band to join that traveling jukebox (in many fans' opinions on this board), those same fans are "understanding" of Jeff's choice. Hmmmm. ??? :o
My understanding is that Jeff made his intentions to leave very clear; end of the BW/JB Tour. If Mike just hired Jeff, why would Brian know sooner than Jeff. I know that we don't know the whole story, but if all just happened recently, I can understand Brian not knowing and Jeff not telling Brian, as he already left the band back in November-December.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: urbanite on May 16, 2014, 12:53:53 PM
There's probably a lot we don't know about this that will eventually come out.  My guess is these changes were made quite some time ago.  


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: drbeachboy on May 16, 2014, 12:56:54 PM
There's probably a lot we don't know about this that will eventually come out.  My guess is these changes were made quite some time ago.   
Yes, but you know how it goes. You cannot say anything until everything is made official.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 16, 2014, 12:57:25 PM
Mike and Al are double teaming Brian to get back into the Beach Boys, at least as a studio entity. Jeff is just an add-on to the strategy.

Or not.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mikie on May 16, 2014, 01:13:19 PM
This discussion is geting mired down. Let Brian and Jeff simply be the independent men that thay are and respect the decision.  The larger question, I still maintain, is what does this mean for the future of the BB as a touring band and as recording artists.  The only telos that means anything to me is a new album with as many BB as possible; how many BB does it take to make it a BB album? What are the chances now that all 5 will make an album together? All except Brian? Would that  "be" a BB record?

Now the discussion is really mired down.  :)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 16, 2014, 01:20:01 PM
If they made an album without BW it would be a very shitty one.

That album was called 'Summer In Paradise'.
  :lol


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Autotune on May 16, 2014, 01:48:54 PM
I've been critical of Foskett's vocal role in the last albums. Also of his  (alas much-needed) role on stage.
However, I've mellowed lately... Specially since the Ella awards. The guy is an extremely proficient singer, he covers a wide range, keeps an impressive falsetto which is unusual for his age, is a skilled guitarist, and has proven to be devoted to his work and a true gentleman. I wish him well as he deserves it.

He will add much to Mike's band, not to diminish Christian- a really fine singer with a style of his own and a humble presence on stage. And, notwithstanding the number of dates, I'm sure his work won't be as nerve-wrecking as his former job probably was.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 16, 2014, 01:58:26 PM
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Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 16, 2014, 02:12:18 PM
Mike and Al are double teaming Brian to get back into the Beach Boys, at least as a studio entity. Jeff is just an add-on to the strategy.

Or not.

Not.

Brian needs a service animal. So many people (with a wide variety of disabilities) have those now. He could have a dog on stage to cue him on vocals when necessary.

Even as a joke, that is a very mean-spirited statement. Now would be a fair juncture to remind you, and all other posters, that the people we're talking about/pulling apart are reading these boards, and that the internet is not exempt from the laws of libel.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: mtaber on May 16, 2014, 02:39:53 PM
Maybe we could get service animals for some on this board to cue them when a thread is ridiculous...
"what if Dennis was reincarnated as a cat"? is a good example...


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 16, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
How is it libel to say that Brian is disabled? Because he is. Sorry if my unfunny joke was in bad taste, but it's not libel. BTW, lots of people in America with anxiety issues do have service dogs to keep them calm in social situations.  They take them to work, into stores, and every where else.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Autotune on May 16, 2014, 03:06:44 PM
I've been critical of Foskett's vocal role in the last albums. Also of his  (alas much-needed) role on stage.
However, I've mellowed lately... Specially since the Ella awards. The guy is an extremely proficient singer, he covers a wide range, keeps an impressive falsetto which is unusual for his age, is a skilled guitarist, and has proven to be devoted to his work and a true gentleman. I wish him well as he deserves it.

He will add much to Mike's band, not to diminish Christian- a really fine singer with a style of his own and a humble presence on stage. And, notwithstanding the number of dates, I'm sure his work won't be as nerve-wrecking as his former job probably was.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Dancing Bear on May 16, 2014, 03:07:51 PM
I suspect that the answers may be very simple. What if Jeff decided to make a change, was available, Christian Love also decided to make a change and Jeff was hired. If Jeff had called Brian to make him aware that he was joining M&B's group, well, I think it would sound a bit... I don't know the word in English... unnecessary, as if he had unresolved  issues with his former employer. And all these months no one told Brian in fear that it would make him sad in the middle of recording sessions that are already taking way too long.

So, it's not that unthinkable that:

1. Jeff left BW's organization with Brian's blessing, before he was invited to join M&B
2. Brian didn't know he would be joining M&B till now.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: donald on May 16, 2014, 03:15:15 PM
I'm really curious where Al lands in this game of musical chairs.    will Al be the odd man out again?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ToneBender631 on May 16, 2014, 04:14:15 PM
I'm really curious where Al lands in this game of musical chairs.    will Al be the odd man out again?

I think most likely we'll see David and Al joining Brian, Matt and the rest of the band. Maybe a bit of Blondie to boot.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Wirestone on May 16, 2014, 04:20:53 PM
I'm really curious where Al lands in this game of musical chairs.    will Al be the odd man out again?

I think most likely we'll see David and Al joining Brian, Matt and the rest of the band. Maybe a bit of Blondie to boot.

I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if that happens.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ToneBender631 on May 16, 2014, 04:27:34 PM
I'm really curious where Al lands in this game of musical chairs.    will Al be the odd man out again?

I think most likely we'll see David and Al joining Brian, Matt and the rest of the band. Maybe a bit of Blondie to boot.

I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if that happens.

They should just name themselves Beach Boys Family and Friends. :-D


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Shady on May 16, 2014, 04:38:22 PM
Still feels like weird, can't help but feel bad for brian in all this

Don't be.

"Yesterday, I found out that Jeff has decided to tour with Mike Love's bb.  I think it's great since he really loved touring with Mike and the boys back in the day.  He made it clear at the end of the JB tour he would be moving on. I wish him the best and I'm happy for him.
 
As for me, I'm busy in the studio working on my new album. A couple months ago I asked Matt Jardine to tour with my band and he accepted. He's a great guy and I love his voice.  He's busy working with Paul and Darian and eager to get started.  All good!!

- Brian"

Don't really care what Brian's people think

I believe he cares a little more than what that statement could ever say


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 16, 2014, 05:20:36 PM

It may be a fine point, but I’d like to clarify (and, yes, defend Mike in a sense) in that he didn’t refer to Foskett as Brian’s “caregiver”, but rather:

“I am most grateful to Jeff for having taken such wonderful care of my cousin Brian for so many years…”

It would, to me, be potentially a bit more pejorative towards Brian to refer to someone around him as a “caregiver”, as opposed to “taking care” of Brian, sort of like telling your son-in-law to make sure he takes good care of your daughter, as opposed to acting as a “caregiver” as if it’s a live-in nurse situation or something.


No, he described him as Brian`s `caregiver`. `He`s been Brian`s caregiver and supporter and provider for 16 years`. Taken from Mike`s thank you speech.

Obviously Jeff didn`t take it in a perjorative sense.  :)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Jonathan Blum on May 16, 2014, 05:42:04 PM
They should just name themselves Beach Boys Family and Friends. :-D

I'm thinking Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman & Howe...

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cam Mott on May 16, 2014, 05:53:51 PM
I suspect that the answers may be very simple. What if Jeff decided to make a change, was available, Christian Love also decided to make a change and Jeff was hired. If Jeff had called Brian to make him aware that he was joining M&B's group, well, I think it would sound a bit... I don't know the word in English... unnecessary, as if he had unresolved  issues with his former employer. And all these months no one told Brian in fear that it would make him sad in the middle of recording sessions that are already taking way too long.

So, it's not that unthinkable that:

1. Jeff left BW's organization with Brian's blessing, before he was invited to join M&B
2. Brian didn't know he would be joining M&B till now.

I think that must be what happened also.

Maybe Jeff is tired of singing falsetto or it is getting to be a chore or something. How old is he?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 16, 2014, 05:57:08 PM
Will Jeff get the Carl leads that Christian took? He may enjoy that. I find Jeff's natural voice pleasant, if not remarkable.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Awesoman on May 16, 2014, 07:09:41 PM
I suspect that the answers may be very simple. What if Jeff decided to make a change, was available, Christian Love also decided to make a change and Jeff was hired. If Jeff had called Brian to make him aware that he was joining M&B's group, well, I think it would sound a bit... I don't know the word in English... unnecessary, as if he had unresolved  issues with his former employer. And all these months no one told Brian in fear that it would make him sad in the middle of recording sessions that are already taking way too long.

So, it's not that unthinkable that:

1. Jeff left BW's organization with Brian's blessing, before he was invited to join M&B
2. Brian didn't know he would be joining M&B till now.

I think that must be what happened also.

Maybe Jeff is tired of singing falsetto or it is getting to be a chore or something. How old is he?

Pushing 60.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: urbanite on May 16, 2014, 07:30:00 PM
I think it will be tough to find someone to cover Brian's muffed vocals in concert, a job JF did fairly well.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 16, 2014, 07:47:41 PM
I think Brian used Jeff as a safety net, and from listening to many live audience recordings over the years (and especially more recently), often times Jeff would go sharp and throw Brian off. I never really liked how their voices blended. During the C50 tour, Jeff was used more on his own rather than doubling Brian, and both sounded much better for it.

Just my opinion. Your mileage may vary. Void where prohibited. Post not approved by the FDA.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Emdeeh on May 16, 2014, 08:13:26 PM
Will Jeff get the Carl leads that Christian took? He may enjoy that.

I hope so. Jeff's done a good job on Carl's leads in the past.



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mikie on May 16, 2014, 08:17:07 PM
So now the Beach Boys core members are:

Mike Love - skin flute, tambourine, lead and backing vocals
Bruce Johnston - keyboard, bass, handclaps, microphone setup, lead and backing vocals
Jeff Foskett – guitar, mandolin, percussion, lead and backing vocals
Scott Totten – lead guitar, lead and backing vocals, musical director
Randell Kirsch – bass, lead and backing vocals
Tim Bonhomme – keyboards, piano
John Cowsill – drums, bongos, vocals

You forgot John Stamos……  >:D

I thought about it (briefly) then realized he isn't a core member.  Stamos makes guest appearances that make ladies happy and guys cringe.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mikie on May 16, 2014, 08:44:12 PM
Statement earlier in the thread:

"I didn't think Christian Love was even into the music that much, albeit based entirely on his underwhelming body language on stage, and, while having a pleasant voice, not really blowing you away."

Can’t say I disagree here. The words “bland” and “unemotional” come to mind. Very little to no stage presence. Good luck to him - seems like a nice kid. Dad took good care of him.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 16, 2014, 09:24:06 PM
I'm really curious where Al lands in this game of musical chairs.    will Al be the odd man out again?

I think most likely we'll see David and Al joining Brian, Matt and the rest of the band. Maybe a bit of Blondie to boot.

I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if that happens.

I'll be absolutely astonished.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Robbie Mac on May 16, 2014, 09:52:55 PM
Still feels like weird, can't help but feel bad for brian in all this

Don't be.

"Yesterday, I found out that Jeff has decided to tour with Mike Love's bb.  I think it's great since he really loved touring with Mike and the boys back in the day.  He made it clear at the end of the JB tour he would be moving on. I wish him the best and I'm happy for him.
 
As for me, I'm busy in the studio working on my new album. A couple months ago I asked Matt Jardine to tour with my band and he accepted. He's a great guy and I love his voice.  He's busy working with Paul and Darian and eager to get started.  All good!!

- Brian"

Don't really care what Brian's people think

I believe he cares a little more than what that statement could ever say

Do you know Brian personally?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Kurosawa on May 16, 2014, 11:03:02 PM
Musically, I really like Matt better than Jeff. And it seems like Brian will be fine, he's a grown man and he's lived through more than most people have...he's tougher than he seems.

For Mike and Bruce, it's a really nice improvement to what was already a good band. Jeff is an unofficial Beach Boy anyway, like Zak Starkey is an unofficial member of The Who.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 17, 2014, 12:07:28 AM
Wasn't Jeff the musical director for Brian's band? I looked at some interviews and that did seem to be his title, at least at some point.  I also found a quote from Al Jardine during the reunion tour about all the roles that Jeff filled for Brian and that it would be "difficult" for Brian to tour without Jeff being there. So, it will be interesting to see how Brian and his band handles it and how the performances proceed without Jeff. Were there any dates that Jeff missed on Brian's tours? I know other guys did miss dates or tours. I also suppose Brian has capable people to handle musical director duties on tour. I don't think it's a matter of skills as much as having the patience to do the little and big things that Jeff did in that role, such as organizing rehearsals.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 17, 2014, 12:28:16 AM
Musically, I really like Matt better than Jeff. And it seems like Brian will be fine, he's a grown man and he's lived through more than most people have...he's tougher than he seems.

For Mike and Bruce, it's a really nice improvement to what was already a good band. Jeff is an unofficial Beach Boy anyway, like Zak Starkey is an unofficial member of The Who.

I agree in preferring Matt. As to those who'd be astonished to see Al, David, Blondie and Matt out on tour with Brian, based on Howie's artucle a while back, good chance we will see that in support of new Brian's album. Al is just doing one gig with Mike and Bruce, but still recording with Brian. All this means is that the vibe is good again  in the Beach Boy family. And I rather like that!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 17, 2014, 01:50:38 AM
I think for Mike`s band the main thing is that maybe they will have someone who looks a little more interested on stage. I doubt that Jeff`s introduction will improve the sound of the band and I actually find him a slightly annoying presence on stage. I don`t think that Jeff being involved adds any more authenticity to the line up than previously.

I like Matt more as a singer than Jeff but it will be interesting to see how well he (and the other members) cover for Brian on stage now as Brian has the tendency to half sing lines and the like.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on May 17, 2014, 02:11:28 AM
Wasn't Jeff the musical director for Brian's band? I looked at some interviews and that did seem to be his title, at least at some point.  I also found a quote from Al Jardine during the reunion tour about all the roles that Jeff filled for Brian and that it would be "difficult" for Brian to tour without Jeff being there. So, it will be interesting to see how Brian and his band handles it and how the performances proceed without Jeff. Were there any dates that Jeff missed on Brian's tours? I know other guys did miss dates or tours. I also suppose Brian has capable people to handle musical director duties on tour. I don't think it's a matter of skills as much as having the patience to do the little and big things that Jeff did in that role, such as organizing rehearsals.

Paul Mertens is and has been Brian's musical director for quite some time now, at least since the 2012 Beach Boys tour (where he shared the title with Scott Totten).  But yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a performance clip of Brian in the past decade in which Jeff isn't present.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Micha on May 17, 2014, 03:24:55 AM
If they made an album without BW it would be a very shitty one.

That album was called 'Summer In Paradise'.

With or without Brian, they couldn't ever do a worse album. Especially if Jeff and Dave were involved.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ToneBender631 on May 17, 2014, 04:17:55 AM
Musically, I really like Matt better than Jeff. And it seems like Brian will be fine, he's a grown man and he's lived through more than most people have...he's tougher than he seems.

For Mike and Bruce, it's a really nice improvement to what was already a good band. Jeff is an unofficial Beach Boy anyway, like Zak Starkey is an unofficial member of The Who.

I agree in preferring Matt. As to those who'd be astonished to see Al, David, Blondie and Matt out on tour with Brian, based on Howie's artucle a while back, good chance we will see that in support of new Brian's album. Al is just doing one gig with Mike and Bruce, but still recording with Brian. All this means is that the vibe is good again  in the Beach Boy family. And I rather like that!

I don't really understand why it's that far fetched quite frankly. Post C50, which Brian wanted to continue, Brian has done two separate tours with David and Al while also recording a new album with their involvement (to some extent). He also hired on Matt, who also plays a major part in Al's band and Surf City All-Stars. I know there's a lot of other stuff at work in these decisions, but wouldn't all of that logically (a silly word in BB universe) point towards Al and David joining Brian back out on tour again? And that doesn't even touch on the emotional component of having Al, David and Matt (who I imagine is like a nephew to some extent) on-stage with him...


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 17, 2014, 04:50:07 AM
Musically, I really like Matt better than Jeff. And it seems like Brian will be fine, he's a grown man and he's lived through more than most people have...he's tougher than he seems.

For Mike and Bruce, it's a really nice improvement to what was already a good band. Jeff is an unofficial Beach Boy anyway, like Zak Starkey is an unofficial member of The Who.

I agree in preferring Matt. As to those who'd be astonished to see Al, David, Blondie and Matt out on tour with Brian, based on Howie's artucle a while back, good chance we will see that in support of new Brian's album. Al is just doing one gig with Mike and Bruce, but still recording with Brian. All this means is that the vibe is good again  in the Beach Boy family. And I rather like that!

I don't really understand why it's that far fetched quite frankly. Post C50, which Brian wanted to continue, Brian has done two separate tours with David and Al while also recording a new album with their involvement (to some extent). He also hired on Matt, who also plays a major part in Al's band and Surf City All-Stars. I know there's a lot of other stuff at work in these decisions, but wouldn't all of that logically (a silly word in BB universe) point towards Al and David joining Brian back out on tour again? And that doesn't even touch on the emotional component of having Al, David and Matt (who I imagine is like a nephew to some extent) on-stage with him...

I agree, ToneBender631, especially how it pertains to Al Jardine. It probably won't be agreed upon here or discussed much on this board, but I think the Jeff Foskett move to The Beach Boys had to be a blow to Al's hope of regaining his place in the Beach Boys' touring band. I'll be honest, if you told me that Christian Love was going to resign from The Beach Boys, my first thought would be, "OK, now is the perfect time for Al to get back into the group..." I mean, they served the identical roles!   

Al appeared to get along with Mike and Bruce during the 50th Anniversary reunion. Al played the 70+ shows and wanted more, he wanted to continue touring. And most importantly, Al was a big enough man to respect and honor Mike by attending the recent Ella Awards Ceremony. Call me naive, but I thought Al had "done enough" to convince Mike that maybe they could co-exist again in The Beach Boys.

Now that another opportunity for Al to rejoin The Beach Boys has passed, I would imagine that Al is just trying to latch onto something/someone, and I don't say that disparagingly. I mean, the guy just wants to work! Al can sing a few lead vocals, relax Brian, sell a couple of tickets. A couple. So, yeah, I can see him touring with Brian. It would be sad if he didn't. It would kind of look like Al's being left out in the cold...again.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 17, 2014, 05:41:54 AM
I agree, ToneBender631, especially how it pertains to Al Jardine. It probably won't be agreed upon here or discussed much on this board, but I think the Jeff Foskett move to The Beach Boys had to be a blow to Al's hope of regaining his place in the Beach Boys' touring band. I'll be honest, if you told me that Christian Love was going to resign from The Beach Boys, my first thought would be, "OK, now is the perfect time for Al to get back into the group..." I mean, they served the identical roles!   

Al appeared to get along with Mike and Bruce during the 50th Anniversary reunion. Al played the 70+ shows and wanted more, he wanted to continue touring. And most importantly, Al was a big enough man to respect and honor Mike by attending the recent Ella Awards Ceremony. Call me naive, but I thought Al had "done enough" to convince Mike that maybe they could co-exist again in The Beach Boys.

Now that another opportunity for Al to rejoin The Beach Boys has passed, I would imagine that Al is just trying to latch onto something/someone, and I don't say that disparagingly. I mean, the guy just wants to work! Al can sing a few lead vocals, relax Brian, sell a couple of tickets. A couple. So, yeah, I can see him touring with Brian. It would be sad if he didn't. It would kind of look like Al's being left out in the cold...again.

But whether he wanted to play 100 shows a year with the traveling jukebox is another matter entirely.



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: tpesky on May 17, 2014, 06:04:50 AM
Ya I think there is a difference between wanting to continue the C50 as opposed to doing the Mike and Bruce touring schedule. I believe Al has been quoted that he is in favor of periodic touring every few years, not the 150 plus every year. He was tired of that by the late 90s if I recall.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: c-man on May 17, 2014, 06:33:40 AM
Maybe Jeff just wanted a change. People get tired of things and want to do something different.

If I wanted a change and was going to do something different, it wouldn't be playing & singing the same songs that I've been playing & singing for thirty + years with a slightly different group of people that I've already played & sung them with for a great number of those years. The only reason I'd leave a gig like that (playing the music I treasure more than just about anyting else - this is me talking, but I know it applies to Jeff as well) would be to focus on doing my own music (like when Daryl Dragon, Phillip Bardowell, and now Christian Love all left their BBs gigs).



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 17, 2014, 06:53:21 AM
Nicko1234 and tpesky, I agree with you. The number of shows would be a POTENTIAL obstacle for Al. And, yes, tpesky, I remember reading that statement from Al regarding touring every few years - which I immediately dismissed. ;D

The reasons I didn't take Al's 2012 statement too seriously are these. First, the C50 Beach Boys played 70+ shows and Al wanted more. How many more? Maybe 20-30 more until the end of the year? It would've been pushing 90-100 shows total. Al was OK with that. And, Nicko, not that I'm disagreeing with you, I'm not, but do Mike & Bruce play 100 shows a year? I ask because I'm not sure. Is it really that many, and how much longer will they be playing 100 shows a year? I just think Al not only woulda/coulda handled it, but woulda said "yes". See reason 2. ;)

Second, as a long-time Beach Boys' diehard, this is my honest opinion. If Mike Love would've picked up the telephone, or gone out to dinner with Al, and Mike would've asked Al, "Hey Al, my son Christian is going to be leaving the band to pursue some solo work. It's something he's been thinking about for a long time now. He's not getting any younger and he thinks that now is the time to go for it. We had such a good time with the reunion tour, the fans loved it...and Bruce and I would like to have you join us again in The Beach Boys. What'd you think..."

I think Al would've said "yes".


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on May 17, 2014, 07:39:09 AM
It`s interesting that only at the ELLA awards Mike thanked Jeff for being Brian`s `care giver` for the past 16 years. So this is certainly a curious turn of events.

Good point. I could see Jeff getting tired of being Brian's caregiver if he felt underappreciated and underpaid. Foskett was not just another supporting musician to Brian, and that had to be a stressful job.

I'd be Brian's caregiver for free. Jeff had the best job ever. Poor guy.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 17, 2014, 07:42:22 AM

The reasons I didn't take Al's 2012 statement too seriously are these. First, the C50 Beach Boys played 70+ shows and Al wanted more. How many more? Maybe 20-30 more until the end of the year? It would've been pushing 90-100 shows total. Al was OK with that. And, Nicko, not that I'm disagreeing with you, I'm not, but do Mike & Bruce play 100 shows a year? I ask because I'm not sure. Is it really that many, and how much longer will they be playing 100 shows a year? I just think Al not only woulda/coulda handled it, but woulda said "yes". See reason 2. ;)

No, they play more than 100.  ;) AGD posted some stats a while ago which showed that the 84 Beach Boys shows in 2012 is comfortably the lowest number the band has played since 1999 (159 being the highest number during that period).


Second, as a long-time Beach Boys' diehard, this is my honest opinion. If Mike Love would've picked up the telephone, or gone out to dinner with Al, and Mike would've asked Al, "Hey Al, my son Christian is going to be leaving the band to pursue some solo work. It's something he's been thinking about for a long time now. He's not getting any younger and he thinks that now is the time to go for it. We had such a good time with the reunion tour, the fans loved it...and Bruce and I would like to have you join us again in The Beach Boys. What'd you think..."

I think Al would've said "yes".

Maybe. But that would have meant ripping up the whole agreement that Mike has with Brother (or Al accepting just being a salaried employee). And as Al had such a problem with just playing the hits for years (even when Carl was in the band), I think it`s unlikely he and Mike could have toured together without ever having a problem. Especially as Mike`s stripped back style of touring is a world away from the C50 tour.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: bossaroo on May 17, 2014, 08:45:14 AM
Al belongs on stage with Brian. Especially now that Matt is joining the fold again.

Jeff has been good for Brian in so many ways, but he obviously wanted a change. Brian will be just fine without him.

Things are looking good in Beach Boy country. I look forward to what the future holds for us all!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 17, 2014, 09:11:24 AM
I`ve no idea whether Al will perform with Brian this year but it is odd that the very day of Al`s appearance with Mike and Bruce coincides with Brian`s only concerts of the summer. Slightly bizarre to have a father and son singing the same songs on the same day on different continents.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Rocker on May 17, 2014, 09:31:35 AM
The whole thing is interesting. First the Beach Boys tour, then Brian, Al, David and Blondie together, now Al and David joining Mike (for a show), Matt joining brian and Jeff Foskett touring with Mike.

So, as before, the only problems seem to be between Mike and Brian, or probably between the wifes.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Wirestone on May 17, 2014, 10:04:28 AM
Wasn't Jeff the musical director for Brian's band? I looked at some interviews and that did seem to be his title, at least at some point.  I also found a quote from Al Jardine during the reunion tour about all the roles that Jeff filled for Brian and that it would be "difficult" for Brian to tour without Jeff being there. So, it will be interesting to see how Brian and his band handles it and how the performances proceed without Jeff. Were there any dates that Jeff missed on Brian's tours? I know other guys did miss dates or tours. I also suppose Brian has capable people to handle musical director duties on tour. I don't think it's a matter of skills as much as having the patience to do the little and big things that Jeff did in that role, such as organizing rehearsals.

Paul Mertens is and has been Brian's musical director for quite some time now, at least since the 2012 Beach Boys tour (where he shared the title with Scott Totten).  But yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a performance clip of Brian in the past decade in which Jeff isn't present.

Mertens has been musical director since at least the BWRG sessions and accompanying tour. So since 2010 or so. Darian has also served in the role. 


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 17, 2014, 10:55:30 AM
I was under the impression that having Al and Dave join Brian's band for the Beck tour was at least partly a publicity move to prove they were right in the C50 PR battle. Now that Al and Dave are joining Mike for at least one gig, and appeared with him at the Ella Awards as well, that value has been negated. Therefore, they will not be back with Brian again. It's better for Brian's image, as well, to be the sole star of the show, since his biopic is being released in the fall (supposedly). They can save money by not having Al, especially, on the payroll. I don't think Brian or his people have any particular attachment to Al or they wouldn't have parted ways with him the way they did in his previous brief stint with Brian's band. I would suspect Dave would be more likely to return due to his not having a steady gig and needing the money more than Al. The fact that Brian didn't invite Dave to go on the European dates seems to indicate he may not care or want Dave back. Dave no doubt works for less money than Al.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: The Shift on May 17, 2014, 12:42:46 PM
The elephant in the room, of course…

Our heroes aren't youngsters.

I kinda wished this had all been sorted out 20 years ago, cos whatever combos go on the road now have a limited amount of time.

Wish is why I wish they'd just get the gang back together, roll down their windows and ride, and have one last party 'fore the school bell tolls…





I know, that was cheesy… but I mean it.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: urbanite on May 17, 2014, 01:26:43 PM
I get the impression that BW's management team thinks he deserves to be treated like a superstar and everyone else is on a different level (below).  I remember reading ( I have no idea if it was accurate or not), that when Al toured with Brian for a number of dates, he wasn't paid, like Al was lucky to be on the same stage.  Brian Wilson is a legend but not a current star.  His records don't sell and his concerts don't sell out.  If he had the opportunity to have Al with him on the road, he should jump at that chance.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mike's Beard on May 17, 2014, 01:50:53 PM
Al shouldn't have to feel lucky to be up there on stage with Brian (or Mike for that matter). He helped make those songs famous all those years ago the same as they did and should be up there singing with them. As others have mentioned, time is running out.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: lee on May 17, 2014, 02:10:06 PM
Of the Beach Boys who are still with us, Al is my favorite. He seems friendly, down to earth, has the strongest voice (imo) and seems to really be into playing a nice variety of songs with hits and rarities.

I have no idea if Brian will have Al and David with him on the mentioned fall tour but I hope so. At least Brian can take a vocal rest by giving them both leads and Al at least attempts to make small talk in between songs. Al's got the voice and David can play the guitar. I personally think it will be a weaker show without them.

I agree with the others that it would have been great to see Al and even David with Mike and Bruce but I don't think either of them want to do that number of shows every year. Plus Al would probably get tired to that set list rather quick. I do hope that they will do more appearances with Mike and Bruce in the future because I'd love to catch one of those shows.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 17, 2014, 02:16:12 PM
Of course what I really want to know is will Jeff still do his trade-mark line with the Lovester?

"The GREAT...."


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: mikeddonn on May 17, 2014, 02:21:22 PM
For those who say Al would get tired playing the hits with Mike and Bruce, they play deep cuts too. And Brian in recent years has played the hits probably as much as Mike and Bruce (as previously discussed on this board), and in the process his shows have maybe lost some of their appeal.  Hopefully Brian's band will have some interesting choices up their sleeves circa the early 2000s.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 17, 2014, 02:52:22 PM
It would kind of look like Al's being left out in the cold...again.

Maybe there's a reason why that keeps happening.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cam Mott on May 17, 2014, 02:54:30 PM
Maybe Jeff just wanted a change. People get tired of things and want to do something different.

If I wanted a change and was going to do something different, it wouldn't be playing & singing the same songs that I've been playing & singing for thirty + years with a slightly different group of people that I've already played & sung them with for a great number of those years. The only reason I'd leave a gig like that (playing the music I treasure more than just about anyting else - this is me talking, but I know it applies to Jeff as well) would be to focus on doing my own music (like when Daryl Dragon, Phillip Bardowell, and now Christian Love all left their BBs gigs).



Maybe the change in personnel and responsibilities is the change he wanted and not the music.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 17, 2014, 02:55:14 PM
I'd be Brian's caregiver for free. Jeff had the best job ever. Poor guy.

Hopefully you're joking.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: c-man on May 17, 2014, 03:00:07 PM
So will Adrian Baker be joining Al's band? :)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Shady on May 17, 2014, 04:05:29 PM
It would kind of look like Al's being left out in the cold...again.

Maybe there's a reason why that keeps happening.

 He doesn't exactly come across as the life of the party


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Wirestone on May 17, 2014, 05:34:14 PM
Al has a great voice, but I doubt most people know who he is ... and he simply didn't sing lead on very many big hits. Mike is the voice, Brian is the damaged genius, and the BBs is the brand. Most people are interested in the brand, a smaller group is interested in the Brian and his story. Few are interested in Al alone, which means that he has almost no leverage in a touring situation. It's too bad, but that's the way it is.

Now that the behind-the-scenes wrangling seems to be over, with everyone returning pretty much where they've been for the last 15 years or so, I can't imagine Al (or Dave) will be permanently added to any ensemble. We're into everyone's last 5-10 years of touring (at most), and Brian is clearly slowing down. No one's in the mood to make big changes unless it means the full band is back together, and that's not happening until the Pet Sounds 50th shows ....


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Dave in KC on May 17, 2014, 06:17:43 PM
I'm too lazy to search for the post of people that Brian has had a falling out with, of sorts. I don't remember VDP being on that poster's list. Am I right, he should be?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 17, 2014, 07:15:25 PM
I'm too lazy to search for the post of people that Brian has had a falling out with, of sorts. I don't remember VDP being on that poster's list. Am I right, he should be?

Yep. Van Dyke has quite a few passive aggressive digs at Brian sprinkled into his Twitter feed. Today, he seemed to imply that he, Van Dyke may have had a hand in the musical part of "Smile," not just the lyrics. I'm not sure he meant his musical style "inspired" Brian or he actually wrote some of the music, but it was interesting.  I'm not sure I've ever seen him claim that before.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: pixletwin on May 17, 2014, 07:48:03 PM
I'm too lazy to search for the post of people that Brian has had a falling out with, of sorts. I don't remember VDP being on that poster's list. Am I right, he should be?

Yep. Van Dyke has quite a few passive aggressive digs at Brian sprinkled into his Twitter feed. Today, he seemed to imply that he, Van Dyke may have had a hand in the musical part of "Smile," not just the lyrics. I'm not sure he meant his musical style "inspired" Brian or he actually wrote some of the music, but it was interesting.  I'm not sure I've ever seen him claim that before.

That is not at all what that tweet from VDP was saying. He was taking a dig at the music site which cited Surf's Up as Brian Wilson lyrics. Nothing more nor less than that.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: alf wiedersehen on May 17, 2014, 07:51:28 PM
Maybe I misread it, but I remember reading that Van Dyke helped with some of Smile's arrangements.
Anyone know any more detail on that? Or am I wrong?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: tpesky on May 17, 2014, 08:52:37 PM
It would seem incredibly bizarre ( even for the BB) for Brian to ask Matt to be in his band, but have no interest in touring with Al at all or that Matt would accept if Al was completely out of the loop.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Wirestone on May 17, 2014, 09:11:40 PM
It would seem incredibly bizarre ( even for the BB) for Brian to ask Matt to be in his band, but have no interest in touring with Al at all or that Matt would accept if Al was completely out of the loop.

Mike did it!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Wylson on May 17, 2014, 09:55:41 PM
I really hope Al tours with Brian again. They seem to have a great relationship. I would love to see them do Wake The World, one of the few co-writes between them and I think it would sound great.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 17, 2014, 10:37:59 PM
Where are people getting the idea Al won't be playing with Brian? They were just pictured on FB in the studio together.

Al and Dave are just playing one show with M&B. I am starting a rumor that it's a try out show because Mike is retiring in 2015 for health reasons.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 17, 2014, 11:02:54 PM
Where are people getting the idea Al won't be playing with Brian? They were just pictured on FB in the studio together.

Al and Dave are just playing one show with M&B. I am starting a rumor that it's a try out show because Mike is retiring in 2015 for health reasons.

You know this for sure ?  :)

Maybe I misread it, but I remember reading that Van Dyke helped with some of Smile's arrangements.
Anyone know any more detail on that? Or am I wrong?

Can't say if he's changed his stance recently, but when I asked him about that last millennium, he was very unequivocal: he did the words, nothing else.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 17, 2014, 11:29:58 PM
What you know AGD? As our resident insider, you missed 1. Jeff joining Mike's band 2. Matt joining Brian's 3. Al and David playing with Mike.
Not even one of your cryptic "I know but can't tell ya".  ;D

Hell, nobody knows anything with these guys. Post C50, Mike and Al bickering.
Now, buddies again. For me, the more they do together the better. But my rumor is Mike will retire in 2015 and Al/David will step in.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 17, 2014, 11:34:56 PM
1 - I know...

2 - I know...

3 - I know...

4 - I know, but I can't tell you (just for you, Greg).

I don't feel impelled to comment on everything that goes on in the Whirled of Wilson, and I also work most days. This one blindsided most folk, which is unusual as the leaks in BBWorld have been legion down the decades. Let's see what the summer brings us.

That rumor ? I know the source. Unreliable.  ;D


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 17, 2014, 11:43:20 PM
1. Don't we all
2. Don't we all
3. Don't we all
4. You don't know how to spell my name. Do better research.  ;D

Interesting you heard the same rumor. We can only hope our heroes live to ripe old ages past 100.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 18, 2014, 12:23:04 AM
Where are people getting the idea Al won't be playing with Brian? They were just pictured on FB in the studio together.

Al and Dave are just playing one show with M&B. I am starting a rumor that it's a try out show because Mike is retiring in 2015 for health reasons.

You know this for sure ?  :)


We can only go by what the lead singer and owner of the brand has said at this stage. July 5th, Jones Beach although I now suspect this may change.

 



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 18, 2014, 11:11:40 AM
They should let people know in advance. Al and Dave being at a particular show is somewhat more important than a guest appearance by John Stamos. Who knows, it might help ticket sales at those shows.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Dave in KC on May 18, 2014, 01:18:29 PM
I'm too lazy to search for the post of people that Brian has had a falling out with, of sorts. I don't remember VDP being on that poster's list. Am I right, he should be?

Yep. Van Dyke has quite a few passive aggressive digs at Brian sprinkled into his Twitter feed. Today, he seemed to imply that he, Van Dyke may have had a hand in the musical part of "Smile," not just the lyrics. I'm not sure he meant his musical style "inspired" Brian or he actually wrote some of the music, but it was interesting.  I'm not sure I've ever seen him claim that before.
I just listened to Live at the Ash Grove again and believe the same as before. I believe VDP actually wrote some of the music and I take his meaning as fact.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: guitarfool2002 on May 18, 2014, 01:42:32 PM
The issue of Van Dyke's role in Smile's music is something I've posted here several times, and I've thought (notice I said thought rather than 'know') he was more involved than people may think. The whole nature of collaboration involves sharing ideas, and when it's firing on all cylinders as it was at times during Brian's and Van Dyke's Smile collaboration, the ideas are free-flowing and also free-form: The ideas get presented and come out at a rapid pace, and at those times there is no one there with a scorecard keeping track of who did what.

Because that is not the point - the point is to create. And however those ideas turn into something concrete involves a give and take process. Simple as that.

I came to think that way by reading, hearing, and re-reading the observations of people who were actually there to witness it. And by nearly every account, both Van Dyke and Brian were being inspired by each other on a regular basis as they worked. Each one was so unique in their creative process and talent, and each brought new ideas to the other which opened up new directions and possibilities in the creative process, that it could be whirlwind of activity as well as a source of conflict between them. And both of those things happened during Smile.

Consider the reports of those observers watching Brian and Van Dyke working in the studio during Smile. A flurry of activity and ideas was happening as the two of them worked on various Smile sessions, and the energy according to some of the observers was awesome to witness.

Now, consider those observations if Van Dyke was *only* the guy who wrote the lyrics...what was all of that creative energy in the studio all about? Lyrics alone?

The bigger picture has to be considered, and sometimes it requires reading between the lines as much as seeing the actual words in some of these reports, especially with Smile.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Doo Dah on May 18, 2014, 01:47:37 PM
I think we're all reading tea leaves with regard to what Jeff's decision means in the greater scheme of things. Since I'm not an insider and I don't play one on TV, I'd suggest the following:

a) Jeff knows that while Brian may continue to perform, the live work will diminish significantly from here on.

b) The movie will beget a new album - surely one album will ride on its coat tails.

c) Bizniss being bizniss, you could probably count on a 20-30 stop tour encompassing a new release and a new movie. Anything beyond that will depend upon sales and ergo, major label relationships (why these guys are wedded to that major label dinosaur relationship is beyond me, but old habits die hard)

Christian stepping back probably provided Jeff a golden opportunity to continue regular work over the next few years. I'm not surprised he took the opportunity. He was always more of greatest hits guy than the others in Brian's band.

Brian will be fine on tour; I've heard Scottie cover for him as well on cues and such. If I had my druthers, I'd rather he be granted the opportunity to enjoy the freedom of the studio, and gut out the occasional necessary gig. As long as these gigs are events - ala TLOS, the Beck experiment, Gershwin. All of these were highly interesting, emotionally satisfying events. Please...no greatest hits shows. Just events.

Have to say however...Kittykat's (deleted) comment almost made me do a spit-take of my morning French Roast. To whit:

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2yke3cp.jpg)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Doo Dah on May 18, 2014, 01:54:30 PM
Regarding the VDP/Smile collaboration, total agreement with Guitarfool; when it's clicking, the lines merge. It's not like Tony Asher was singing melody lines for Pet Sounds, whereas Van Dyke obviously has his own melodic ability. I can easily see how each party may interpret the sessions slightly differently.

What puzzles me is how all these comments are dribbling out nowadays. Surely there must have been some hard feelings over the box set release. VDP got slighted somehow and the nitty gritty hasn't been fully revealed.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ToneBender631 on May 18, 2014, 02:10:23 PM
Regarding the VDP/Smile collaboration, total agreement with Guitarfool; when it's clicking, the lines merge. It's not like Tony Asher was singing melody lines for Pet Sounds, whereas Van Dyke obviously has his own melodic ability. I can easily see how each party may interpret the sessions slightly differently.

What puzzles me is how all these comments are dribbling out nowadays. Surely there must have been some hard feelings over the box set release. VDP got slighted somehow and the nitty gritty hasn't been fully revealed.

VDP got a lot more credit for Smile back in '04 than he did this time around, which probably didn't sit very well. But really, BWPS and TSS are two very different things, so it makes sense  that VDP was pushed to the side a bit with the box set. TSS is a historical document of recording sessions, released under the Beach Boys name. It's as much about "Smile" as it is Brian as producer, The Beach Boys as vocalists, and The Wrecking Crew as studio musicians. If I want to learn about how they made their recordings, vocal technique, and the evolution of the songs in the context of recording, I put on TSS and set a few hours aside. If I want to enjoy a completed piece of art by BW and VDP, considered by many to be one of the greatest albums ever completed, I'll go put on BWPS.

But back on topic, this change seems like a good thing for everyone. Jeff gets to play more shows with less stress (he's earned it), Christian gets to get off the merry-go-round and enjoy cutting his own path a bit, and Matt returns to the fold (as he should, given his vocal talent).


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cam Mott on May 18, 2014, 02:13:10 PM
On the other hand, VDP consistently says he only wrote lyrics.

On the third hand, is the eyewitness always infallibly reliable? Their memory may just be off. Tricky.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ToneBender631 on May 18, 2014, 02:14:22 PM
On the other hand, VDP consistently says he only wrote lyrics.

On the third hand, is the eyewitness always infallibly reliable? Their memory may just be off. Tricky.

Are you suggesting that time, the occasional substance abuse and personal bias may have had an impact on the memory of a bunch of 65-70 year olds?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cam Mott on May 18, 2014, 02:44:17 PM
On the other hand, VDP consistently says he only wrote lyrics.

On the third hand, is the eyewitness always infallibly reliable? Their memory may just be off. Tricky.

Are you suggesting that time, the occasional substance abuse and personal bias may have had an impact on the memory of a bunch of 65-70 year olds?

Maybe. Has anyone else had VDP protest that the events were a long time ago and the memory was short, or words to that effect? On the fourth hand, he may be dead on in this particular regard.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: guitarfool2002 on May 18, 2014, 03:01:22 PM
Memories which were less than a year old (Anderle), less than two years old (Vosse), memories from someone who was at Brian's house regularly in 1967 (Volman), and assorted others are the ones I'm considering. And no, i don't think it's old age or fading memory or whatever other excuse comes in to cloud the point.

And Van Dyke for decades has taken a humble approach to describing his role, to the point of deliberately downplaying his role. He remained very grateful and projected that humility when discussing Smile, for the majority of public interviews.

If anyone knows what he has said in private for the past 45 years, meaning the 99% of the man's life that fans *don't have access to*, and can change the narrative, let's hear it.

So Van Dyke has said certain things now that he hasn't in the past, that's life.  :)

There are things we all hold very close and even keep secret which one day in the future we may feel like opening up about, for whatever reason. Again, that's life.


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Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: guitarfool2002 on May 18, 2014, 03:07:57 PM
And trying to play the old substance abuse/failing memory card just doesn't wash with me in 9 out of 10 cases because it's simply not applicable, it's the biggest distraction and cop-out short of changing the subject entirely. If anything, a failing memory reasoning can be applied to anyone at any time, which is why I think it's such a bullshit excuse.

And blaming drug use or substance abuse would discredit the overwhelming majority of musicians and the rock music community in general up to the present day, so let's discount everything they say and blame it on "the drugs" when a quote disagrees with someone's opinion.  ;D


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 18, 2014, 03:23:35 PM
I'm pretty sure Van Dyke had a strong musical influence on BW at the time and therefore influenced Smile's music whether he wrote any of it or not. When I hear an old, pre-Smile era song of Van Dyke's such as "High Coin," I can hear his keyboard style influence on parts of "Windchimes" and "H & V." His lyrics also dictated the musical direction of Smile because they're so much more free form than Tony Asher's or Love/Christian/Usher of the surf & car era. I just found it a little surprising that he'd drop a hint like that on Twitter, no matter how he meant it. He seems resentful these days. There was another tweet that seemed to be a dig at Brian's need for ego affirmation.  Then others that seem to point to their no longer being on speaking terms. Yet why bring it up if he didn't care about Brian in a personal way.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 18, 2014, 03:27:52 PM
So, I must've missed something - is Matt J. Brian's official falsettist now? I only heard about him coming to lay down vocals for the album.

Yes, Brian (or his representative) has said he`s asked Matt to tour with him.

Interesting to see how a thread about Jeff Foskett replacing Christian Love can morph into a Smile discussion though...


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cam Mott on May 18, 2014, 03:30:56 PM
Memories which were less than a year old (Anderle), less than two years old (Vosse), memories from someone who was at Brian's house regularly in 1967 (Volman), and assorted others are the ones I'm considering. And no, i don't think it's old age or fading memory or whatever other excuse comes in to cloud the point.

And Van Dyke for decades has taken a humble approach to describing his role, to the point of deliberately downplaying his role. He remained very grateful and projected that humility when discussing Smile, for the majority of public interviews.

If anyone knows what he has said in private for the past 45 years, meaning the 99% of the man's life that fans *don't have access to*, and can change the narrative, let's hear it.

So Van Dyke has said certain things now that he hasn't in the past, that's life.  :)

There are things we all hold very close and even keep secret which one day in the future we may feel like opening up about, for whatever reason. Again, that's life.

There is that, something like how they support a late date for the lyric "confrontation". Which is what? It's tricky.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ToneBender631 on May 18, 2014, 04:09:52 PM
And trying to play the old substance abuse/failing memory card just doesn't wash with me in 9 out of 10 cases because it's simply not applicable, it's the biggest distraction and cop-out short of changing the subject entirely. If anything, a failing memory reasoning can be applied to anyone at any time, which is why I think it's such a bullshit excuse.

And blaming drug use or substance abuse would discredit the overwhelming majority of musicians and the rock music community in general up to the present day, so let's discount everything they say and blame it on "the drugs" when a quote disagrees with someone's opinion.  ;D

I don't know how factoring in 50 years of time into evaluating the validity of the memories of a bunch of 70 year old's is BS...If this was 1972, maybe, but it's 2014 so the passage of time is certainly a reasonable factor to consider.

Anyway, I was suggesting that time, substance abuse and/or personal bias has probably clouded the memory of all parties involved. Most of the people in the BB world are in the "legacy writing" stage of their lives right now. Keep that in mind over the next few years is all I'm saying...:)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Dave in KC on May 18, 2014, 04:33:49 PM
I was bored and wanted to see what happened when I happened along with my VDP post in the JF thread. Without him, I doubt things would have gone down the way they did. Genius met genius.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Dave in KC on May 18, 2014, 04:36:53 PM
So, I must've missed something - is Matt J. Brian's official falsettist now? I only heard about him coming to lay down vocals for the album.

Yes, Brian (or his representative) has said he`s asked Matt to tour with him.

Interesting to see how a thread about Jeff Foskett replacing Christian Love can morph into a Smile discussion though...
This is the post I was responding to. Sorry.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 18, 2014, 05:00:25 PM
It's also somewhat pertinent in that there have been a series of recent people who have left Brian's inner orbit, including Van Dyke, David Leaf, and now Jeff. Though the latter two are supposedly still considered friends, supposedly, and Jeff in particular says he's still friends with Brian. Van Dyke is the only one who seems to act hurt by not seeing Brian too much anymore.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: guitarfool2002 on May 18, 2014, 05:38:22 PM
And trying to play the old substance abuse/failing memory card just doesn't wash with me in 9 out of 10 cases because it's simply not applicable, it's the biggest distraction and cop-out short of changing the subject entirely. If anything, a failing memory reasoning can be applied to anyone at any time, which is why I think it's such a bullshit excuse.

And blaming drug use or substance abuse would discredit the overwhelming majority of musicians and the rock music community in general up to the present day, so let's discount everything they say and blame it on "the drugs" when a quote disagrees with someone's opinion.  ;D

I don't know how factoring in 50 years of time into evaluating the validity of the memories of a bunch of 70 year old's is BS...If this was 1972, maybe, but it's 2014 so the passage of time is certainly a reasonable factor to consider.

Anyway, I was suggesting that time, substance abuse and/or personal bias has probably clouded the memory of all parties involved. Most of the people in the BB world are in the "legacy writing" stage of their lives right now. Keep that in mind over the next few years is all I'm saying...:)

What is and always is in my mind is that there is a tendency on this board to have people speculating about things they have no idea about, have no firsthand knowledge of, were not there, etc, while those who were there might say something that disagrees with the speculation (or the desired 'answer') and then those firsthand witnesses and friends are subjected to the usual litany of "they don't remember, it was 50 years ago, there were drugs involved, they're confusing things..."

And that's just silly, and needs to be called out as the BS it is.

And what's worse is when those who are similarly connected firsthand to some of these people say something that they know to be true, and that gets marginalized again in favor of agreeing with an opinion or assumption masquerading as fact.

Sometimes the phrase "the truth hurts" means exactly what it says, and I know that's hard to accept when it goes against deeply held beliefs or opinions.

This sh*t happens too often here.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cam Mott on May 18, 2014, 06:26:13 PM
Hasn't VDP himself said specifically that he wrote only the words?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on May 18, 2014, 06:49:29 PM
And trying to play the old substance abuse/failing memory card just doesn't wash with me in 9 out of 10 cases because it's simply not applicable, it's the biggest distraction and cop-out short of changing the subject entirely. If anything, a failing memory reasoning can be applied to anyone at any time, which is why I think it's such a bullshit excuse.

And blaming drug use or substance abuse would discredit the overwhelming majority of musicians and the rock music community in general up to the present day, so let's discount everything they say and blame it on "the drugs" when a quote disagrees with someone's opinion.  ;D

I don't know how factoring in 50 years of time into evaluating the validity of the memories of a bunch of 70 year old's is BS...If this was 1972, maybe, but it's 2014 so the passage of time is certainly a reasonable factor to consider.

Anyway, I was suggesting that time, substance abuse and/or personal bias has probably clouded the memory of all parties involved. Most of the people in the BB world are in the "legacy writing" stage of their lives right now. Keep that in mind over the next few years is all I'm saying...:)

What is and always is in my mind is that there is a tendency on this board to have people speculating about things they have no idea about, have no firsthand knowledge of, were not there, etc, while those who were there might say something that disagrees with the speculation (or the desired 'answer') and then those firsthand witnesses and friends are subjected to the usual litany of "they don't remember, it was 50 years ago, there were drugs involved, they're confusing things..."

And that's just silly, and needs to be called out as the BS it is.

And what's worse is when those who are similarly connected firsthand to some of these people say something that they know to be true, and that gets marginalized again in favor of agreeing with an opinion or assumption masquerading as fact.

Sometimes the phrase "the truth hurts" means exactly what it says, and I know that's hard to accept when it goes against deeply held beliefs or opinions.

This sh*t happens too often here.

I can pinpoint exact times in my life, decades ago, periods, black out dates, where my memory is much more than hazy and due to substance abuse and/or especially tumultuous times, and I'm a good 30+ years younger than the guys in question ..... Like if I was specifically asked about my sister's wedding in 1995, I would have to refrain from much comment because I was simply not in a place where the memory files were being properly stored. It's not out of hand at all for me to chalk up any memory loss or haziness to substance abuse (as one definite factor) in my own life.... and no one would likely try and argue against it .....but when it's anyone involved in SMILE, such a thing is B.S?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Niko on May 18, 2014, 06:53:02 PM
Hasn't VDP himself said specifically that he wrote only the words?

Yeah I think so, but I'm pretty sure he would also make suggestions to Brian regarding the arrangements/construction of the tracks.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Autotune on May 18, 2014, 07:12:21 PM
‘Smile’ Van Dyke Parks, reply by Scott Staton JANUARY 12, 2006 ISSUE
In response to:

A Lost Pop Symphony from the September 22, 2005 issue

To the Editors:

Re: “A Lost Pop Symphony,” by Scott Staton [NYR, September 22, 2005].

For forty years, in numerous print articles, Brian Wilson has repeatedly stated he contributed music only to Smile. As well, I’ve maintained I only provided lyrics. Although I truly appreciate Scott Staton’s take on the work, I must disabuse him of Brian’s having envisioned the album as “an affectionate critique of America’s mythic past” etc. Manifest Destiny, Plymouth Rock, etc. were the last things on his mind when he asked me to take a free hand in the lyrics and the album’s thematic direction.

Music expresses feelings. Words, thoughts. In combination, they make songs. Still the most portable of all cultural goods, songs have consoled, amused, and even stirred peoples to nationhood. This broad potential of the song-form dates from the time of David to the present.

Brian sang: da da da da da da da da dah. I wrote “Columnaded ruins domino.” I’ve lived to regret it for the majority of my adult life. Now, I’d like to enjoy it justly. Still, I thank Scott Staton for the print. Many more deserving talents never get a whit of recognition in their lifetimes. We got lucky, I guess.

Van Dyke Parks
Los Angeles, California

Scott Staton replies:

I’m disappointed that Van Dyke Parks feels I mischaracterized his collaboration with Brian Wilson. My piece did make plain Parks’s important lyrical contribution to Smile. In describing him as a crucial participant, I referred to him six times and suggested that his departure from the project made it difficult for Wilson to complete it. I also referred to his first two solo full-length recordings as “minor masterpieces of idiosyncratic Americana,” and much of the piece closely considered the substance of Parks’s lyrics.

Despite these acknowledgments, Parks apparently feels that he wasn’t given just credit in my piece. This is surprising, because past remarks of his have clearly indicated that he was hired by Wilson, with whom he shared an interest in American themes, and that he worked with him in a collaborative but subordinate role. As I understand it, his task as lyricist was to illustrate images that Wilson’s music evoked. This is suggested by recent comments of his that are available on-line, in “audio portrait” sound files at the Web site of the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (www.ascap.com/audioportraits/vandykeparks.html).

In these comments, Parks says of his collaboration with Wilson: “I was trying to follow his instincts, unquestioning, like a dog. Just be devoted and work hard to try to provide words to the phrases he came up with.” He says that the music of Smile is “anecdotal, fragmentary, schizophrenic…and the lyrics were required to follow suit…. What comes first, the music or the words? In this case, it was the music.” He continues: “Melody, it seems to me, provides the most fundamental, the deepest feelings, and I think feelings trump thoughts any time.”

Parks goes on to describe Wilson’s music as “image laden,” and explains that “we just kind of wanted to investigate…American images…. Everyone was hung up and obsessed with everything totally British. So we decided to take a gauche route that we took, which was to explore American slang, and that’s what we got.” Parks’s liberal use of the word “we” to describe Brian Wilson and himself implies that they shared an understanding of the album’s thematic direction.
In an interview with Parks published by The Guardian in 1999, he stated that Brian Wilson “was completely in control.” On the topic of possibly reviving Smile for release, he said, “I would like Brian to address this particular dilemma of his own life. If Brian would want to work on it, then I would be involved in that. But I don’t want to be paid to go to the embalming room. It was his baby.” For his part, in his 1991 autobiography Wilson recalled playing early recordings of Smile songs at a dinner and explaining the material to his guests. “The whole album is going to be a far-out trip through the Old West,” he said. “Real Americana. But with lots of interesting humor.” In spite of his failure to complete the work in 1967, it seems Wilson had an idea of Smile‘s thematic underpinnings.

None of this is to diminish the significance of Van Dyke Parks’s contribution to Smile. I hold his work in very high regard and much appreciate that he wrote lyrics for Smile. He has every reason to be proud of them, and deserves recognition. However, the way Parks characterizes his collaboration with Wilson in his letter contradicts comments he has made elsewhere, and risks oversimplifying the creative process they shared.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 18, 2014, 07:20:37 PM
That author says Van Dyke contradicted himself. His latest tweet seems to be some type of coy insinuation that he influenced thedirection of Smile, saying Brian wrote nothing like it before or since. I'm pretty sure someone who could write something as sophisticated as Song Cycle right after Smile was not too drug addled, even if he indulged from time to time in mostly uppers, allegedly.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Jim V. on May 18, 2014, 07:27:07 PM
Hasn't VDP himself said specifically that he wrote only the words?

I love the SMiLE era and all the intrigue, but seriously, could we leave it out of a thread about Jeff Foskett and Christian Love. I mean, fucking seriously?!?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 18, 2014, 07:28:40 PM
And trying to play the old substance abuse/failing memory card just doesn't wash with me in 9 out of 10 cases because it's simply not applicable, it's the biggest distraction and cop-out short of changing the subject entirely. If anything, a failing memory reasoning can be applied to anyone at any time, which is why I think it's such a bullshit excuse.

And blaming drug use or substance abuse would discredit the overwhelming majority of musicians and the rock music community in general up to the present day, so let's discount everything they say and blame it on "the drugs" when a quote disagrees with someone's opinion.  ;D

I don't know how factoring in 50 years of time into evaluating the validity of the memories of a bunch of 70 year old's is BS...If this was 1972, maybe, but it's 2014 so the passage of time is certainly a reasonable factor to consider.

Anyway, I was suggesting that time, substance abuse and/or personal bias has probably clouded the memory of all parties involved. Most of the people in the BB world are in the "legacy writing" stage of their lives right now. Keep that in mind over the next few years is all I'm saying...:)

What is and always is in my mind is that there is a tendency on this board to have people speculating about things they have no idea about, have no firsthand knowledge of, were not there, etc, while those who were there might say something that disagrees with the speculation (or the desired 'answer') and then those firsthand witnesses and friends are subjected to the usual litany of "they don't remember, it was 50 years ago, there were drugs involved, they're confusing things..."

And that's just silly, and needs to be called out as the BS it is.

And what's worse is when those who are similarly connected firsthand to some of these people say something that they know to be true, and that gets marginalized again in favor of agreeing with an opinion or assumption masquerading as fact.

Sometimes the phrase "the truth hurts" means exactly what it says, and I know that's hard to accept when it goes against deeply held beliefs or opinions.

This sh*t happens too often here.

I think "it" happens here because it is so difficult to find the truth when it involves The Beach Boys.

Start with the guys themselves. Simply put, Brian Wilson, Al Jardine, and Bruce Johnston have a hard time telling the truth. There have been numerous - numerous - interviews by those three over the years that either leave you scratching your head or falling down laughing. You don't have to do much research to tell if what they said is the truth because something is already clearly documented somewhere which disproves them.

Then there are the musicians on the tracks. I'll just name three - Hal Blaine, Glen Campbell, and Carol Kaye. I would consider those three to be respected in their field - as people - in addition to being experts on their instruments. However, we know that respect and expertise doesn't always equate to the facts or the truth. Just because "they were there", should we accept whatever they say as fact? I believe we have enough experience with interviews from those three to answer "no". And I just named three musicians. There are many more musicians whose memories might be a little inaccurate, for several reasons.

And, finally, we have the "other people" who were there. You know, the ones who are part of the Mutual Admiration Society, the ones who want to be thanked in the new album's liner notes, and the ones who want to receive their annual Christmas card from The Brian Wilson's. Yes, I'm being cynical, but it happens. A lot. Most people who have any relationship with any of The Beach Boys value that relationship very, very much. They don't want to jeopardize that relationship in any way by saying something, even if it's the truth, if it could be harmful to a Beach Boy. I like what Kris Kristofferson used to say. He'd say, "I'd rather talk to the janitors." So would I. They have less to lose.

And then, occasionally, you might come across somebody who is actually telling the truth. But, unfortunately, because of all that I mentioned above, you still have to be cynical and question if they're telling the truth. A good example of that actually occurred on this very thread. An Honored Guest questioned if Brian actually knew ahead of time that Jeff Foskett was joining The Beach Boys, even though Brian said "Really?" when told/asked about it. The Honored Guest thought that Brian might be "pulling a Brian". Ray Lawlor, a friend of Brian Wilson who spent some time around Brian recently, said that, no, he didn't believe that Brian knew that Jeff was joining The Beach Boys. I wonder how many people take what Ray said as fact and trust him unconditionally. I mean, he was there. What more do you want? What more do you need? Why wouldn't he tell the truth? The facts? But I'll bet there are still some people on this board who believe Brian knew about Jeff, regardless of what Ray said.

This is a rock & roll message board, and a good one. And that's what we do on this board, we speculate. All the time. That's part of the fun of participating on a message board. You get to voice your opinions, your views, your thoughts, your doubts, your speculations. And we question things. Actually we question just about everything. And that's part of the fun, too. It's not BS. It simply questioning things. And what better band to question than The Beach Boys. That's because there is so much that has been written that is false. I won't list everything, but just think of all the myths we have disproved, just by discussing it on this board. And that never would've happened if we simply accepted what somebody said as the truth. You're making it appear like it's a bad thing. I thought disproving myths was a good thing.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on May 18, 2014, 07:29:07 PM
That author says Van Dyke contradicted himself. His latest tweet seems to be some type of coy insinuation that he influenced thedirection of Smile, saying Brian wrote nothing like it before or since. I'm pretty sure someone who could write something as sophisticated as Song Cycle right after Smile was not too drug addled, even if he indulged from time to time in mostly uppers, allegedly.

I'm not trying to say it was an exclusive factor, but that to dismiss it as a possibility is a bit odd .....

And uppers don't help with memory either ...... All they help with is having a clean kitchen at 5am.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: LdC on May 18, 2014, 07:39:01 PM
I think this is big news and I hope Brian is ok with it.

What I really wanted t read was that there were some australian dates...


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 18, 2014, 07:58:55 PM
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And then, occasionally, you might come across somebody who is actually telling the truth. But, unfortunately, because of all that I mentioned above, you still have to be cynical and question if they're telling the truth. A good example of that actually occurred on this very thread. An Honored Guest questioned if Brian actually knew ahead of time that Jeff Foskett was joining The Beach Boys, even though Brian said "Really?" when told/asked about it. The Honored Guest thought that Brian might be "pulling a Brian". Ray Lawlor, a friend of Brian Wilson who spent some time around Brian recently, said that, no, he didn't believe that Brian knew that Jeff was joining The Beach Boys. I wonder how many people take what Ray said as fact and trust him unconditionally. I mean, he was there. What more do you want? What more do you need? Why wouldn't he tell the truth? The facts? But I'll bet there are still some people on this board who believe Brian knew about Jeff, regardless of what Ray said.

I for one believe Ray...although I don't know him personally, every person I know who knows him says he's a standup guy, so I have no doubt that he'd know more than any of us. I just wonder *why* Brian didn't know; my personal hunch is he's too focused on the music to worry about other things at this moment.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 18, 2014, 08:08:35 PM
Some people claimed to know Foskett left Brian months ago, or heard rumors of it, but did anyone hear rumors he joined forces with Mike Love? Put it this way -- Melinda may have not heard about it any sooner than Brian. At least officially, and rumors don't count until they're confirmed. Perhaps the Beach Boys wanted to make sure Brian had properly adjusted to Jeff leaving and funding a replacement before announcing it.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 18, 2014, 08:13:51 PM
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And then, occasionally, you might come across somebody who is actually telling the truth. But, unfortunately, because of all that I mentioned above, you still have to be cynical and question if they're telling the truth. A good example of that actually occurred on this very thread. An Honored Guest questioned if Brian actually knew ahead of time that Jeff Foskett was joining The Beach Boys, even though Brian said "Really?" when told/asked about it. The Honored Guest thought that Brian might be "pulling a Brian". Ray Lawlor, a friend of Brian Wilson who spent some time around Brian recently, said that, no, he didn't believe that Brian knew that Jeff was joining The Beach Boys. I wonder how many people take what Ray said as fact and trust him unconditionally. I mean, he was there. What more do you want? What more do you need? Why wouldn't he tell the truth? The facts? But I'll bet there are still some people on this board who believe Brian knew about Jeff, regardless of what Ray said.

I for one believe Ray...although I don't know him personally, every person I know who knows him says he's a standup guy, so I have no doubt that he'd know more than any of us. I just wonder *why* Brian didn't know; my personal hunch is he's too focused on the music to worry about other things at this moment.

Just to clarify, I wasn't questioning Ray or his credibility. I was using him, however, to make a point. Even though an individual, in this case Ray, could be part of the scene or "inner circle", as a fan or observer or participant on a message board, you still have YOUR opinion or view, which was formed over decades of research and fandom. It is sometimes very difficult, sometimes impossible to believe the source or messenger - when it goes against your beliefs. C'mon, we're all Mr. Know-It-Alls, right? ;D And, as I pointed out above, sometimes the source or messenger eventually is proven to be wrong.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cam Mott on May 18, 2014, 08:26:17 PM
Hasn't VDP himself said specifically that he wrote only the words?

I love the SMiLE era and all the intrigue, but seriously, could we leave it out of a thread about Jeff Foskett and Christian Love. I mean, fucking seriously?!?

I didn't bring it up but I'm sure whoever did will entertain your suggestion.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 18, 2014, 08:41:19 PM
Some people claimed to know Foskett left Brian months ago, or heard rumors of it, but did anyone hear rumors he joined forces with Mike Love?
yes, although not permanently. That part was a  complete shock.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: the professor on May 18, 2014, 08:58:14 PM
well, the professor had heard that he was leaving BW to join the BB around 2 months ago (no further elaboration is forthcoming), and I was just waiting for the news to hit. I added to my posts my own sense that a larger exodus and BB reunion of sorts was going to happen as well: that is not exactly the case, since I imagined that we would one day see all the BB together with BW the odd man out.  I further predicted/hoped that that would make BW rethink his current "management" which is protecting him from Mike.  That part is hopeful speculation. But Dave and Al are playing one date with the BB, so that's a mini version of what I envisioned. No one knows what happens now. But to answer your question, this must have been in the works for a while. I myself see every move by each man (Jeff, Al, Dave) as a breaking away from Melinda's overprotective concern for Brian and her disdain for Mike.

There is a force called the BB which is stronger than any wife's protective love in directing the futures of our heroes.  I have no idea what happens now, only the hope for a real BB reunion and album together.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 18, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
If we didn't know better I'd think Brian called Jeff F instead of Jeff B on speed-dial to give him a spray about his comments on last years tour.

"Jeff?"

"Yeah Bri?"

"I hear you have an issue with last years tour so I've got to let you go." Click.

"WTF?"



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 18, 2014, 10:00:23 PM
It's possible that Al and David decided to break away from Brian when he insulted them by not inviting them on the few dates he's doing this summer. I'm not sure why they were excluded unless Brian truly had no plans to use them on the fall tour, either.  If he did, it seems like an oversight that he and his people couldn't be bothered to get them visas and pay them for the summer shows. I don't think it's a coincidence the show they're doing with Mike coincides with the time Brian will be doing shows without them on the other side of the globe.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on May 19, 2014, 12:17:53 AM
The issue of Van Dyke's role in Smile's music is something I've posted here several times, and I've thought (notice I said thought rather than 'know') he was more involved than people may think. The whole nature of collaboration involves sharing ideas, and when it's firing on all cylinders as it was at times during Brian's and Van Dyke's Smile collaboration, the ideas are free-flowing and also free-form: The ideas get presented and come out at a rapid pace, and at those times there is no one there with a scorecard keeping track of who did what.

But Mike's an absolute inhuman scum bastard for daring to ask for credit on Wouldn't It Be Nice for his coda?

I understand bias perfectly, obviously, but let's at least be honest about it ......

I'm not specifically asking you, Guitarfool. But I agree with your quoted point and am asking the board in general.



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ToneBender631 on May 19, 2014, 04:16:18 AM
It's possible that Al and David decided to break away from Brian when he insulted them by not inviting them on the few dates he's doing this summer. I'm not sure why they were excluded unless Brian truly had no plans to use them on the fall tour, either.  If he did, it seems like an oversight that he and his people couldn't be bothered to get them visas and pay them for the summer shows. I don't think it's a coincidence the show they're doing with Mike coincides with the time Brian will be doing shows without them on the other side of the globe.

Wow you've kind of upped the emotional ante a bit, haven't you? Do you know what the promoter presented to Brian's team for the show(s)? Do you know if they said "We can only afford one Beach Boy...not three!"?

On the other side of the equation, do you think that the Jones Beach show, which is the largest show of the tour by far, was booked on the July 4th weekend for a specific reason? Call me crazy, but a NY show including "America's Band" (and two other well-known "bands" of the era) in a 15k person amphitheater overlooking the Atlantic Ocean on the Saturday of a holiday weekend might be a decent draw for a promoter. Is it possible that Mike, knowing he has to sell a lot of tickets, called up Al and David (who specifically lives in the area) and said "Hey guys, how would you like to join us for this one special show?".

You're working off of very little information and extrapolating to the point of accusing Brian of "insulting" Al and David, knowing very little in the way of fact. Meanwhile, we saw Al happily in the studio with Brian a few weeks ago...


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: The Shift on May 19, 2014, 04:39:49 AM
… do you think that the Jones Beach show, which is the largest show of the tour by far, was booked on the July 4th weekend for a specific reason? Call me crazy, but a NY show including "America's Band" (and two other well-known "bands" of the era) in a 15k person amphitheater overlooking the Atlantic Ocean on the Saturday of a holiday weekend might be a decent draw for a promoter. Is it possible that Mike, knowing he has to sell a lot of tickets, called up Al and David (who specifically lives in the area) and said "Hey guys, how would you like to join us for this one special show?".

Being British I'd missed the 4/7 element… it's a no-brainer for America's band to come together on that date. I'm sure old differences can be overlooked or the sake of such a holiday.  Which means that what happens after is anyone's guess… again!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ToneBender631 on May 19, 2014, 04:50:59 AM
… do you think that the Jones Beach show, which is the largest show of the tour by far, was booked on the July 4th weekend for a specific reason? Call me crazy, but a NY show including "America's Band" (and two other well-known "bands" of the era) in a 15k person amphitheater overlooking the Atlantic Ocean on the Saturday of a holiday weekend might be a decent draw for a promoter. Is it possible that Mike, knowing he has to sell a lot of tickets, called up Al and David (who specifically lives in the area) and said "Hey guys, how would you like to join us for this one special show?".

Being British I'd missed the 4/7 element… it's a no-brainer for America's band to come together on that date. I'm sure old differences can be overlooked or the sake of such a holiday.  Which means that what happens after is anyone's guess… again!


Especially given that they'll be singing about cars and surfing in an amphitheater on the beach overlooking the ocean...

Would it be nice if this was a sign of more BBs dates with Al and David to come? Yes. Does the current evidence (the press release, BW+AJ working in the studio together, Matt joining BW's band, etc.) also suggest that it isn't? Yes.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cyncie on May 19, 2014, 06:02:36 AM
Ok. So, let me get this straight. Jeff is no longer working with Brian and has rejoined the touring band but says there's "No drama". Al and Dave seem to be on good terms with both Brian and Mike and are working with both. Matt Jardine is joining Brain's band. Brian's still working on the album and a tour and says "It's all good."

I know that there are often unsaid things behind the scenes, but really, I'm not seeing a down side here. If the relationship between the "camps" is good enough that people can float between them that easily, things might actually be in pretty good shape for the guys to do something together, should the right project come along.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 19, 2014, 06:34:18 AM
I was under the impression that having Al and Dave join Brian's band for the Beck tour was at least partly a publicity move to prove they were right in the C50 PR battle. Now that Al and Dave are joining Mike for at least one gig, and appeared with him at the Ella Awards as well, that value has been negated. Therefore, they will not be back with Brian again. It's better for Brian's image, as well, to be the sole star of the show, since his biopic is being released in the fall (supposedly). They can save money by not having Al, especially, on the payroll. I don't think Brian or his people have any particular attachment to Al or they wouldn't have parted ways with him the way they did in his previous brief stint with Brian's band. I would suspect Dave would be more likely to return due to his not having a steady gig and needing the money more than Al. The fact that Brian didn't invite Dave to go on the European dates seems to indicate he may not care or want Dave back. Dave no doubt works for less money than Al.

Ironically, Al and Dave would actually be a more impactful boost in sales for Brian’s tour than they would be for Mike’s, in my opinion. Mike indeed doesn’t need Al or Dave (or Bruce, or even himself actually) to sell tickets, as it’s the use of the BB name that sells the tickets. It sells to a broad range of fans, made up mostly of “casual” fans.

Brian’s tours tend to play to somewhat smaller audiences, with a larger group of “hardcore” or at least well above “casual” fans. On the one hand, they may be more loyal to buying Brian tickets. On the other hands, for fans like myself, the addition of Al and Dave was probably the only reason I bought tickets to Brian’s show last year. Their addition made a potential Brian show FAR more interesting to me at this stage, having already seen numerous Brian tours including PS and Smile both multiple times, and other interesting shows. Also, I don’t think we should underestimate how much, again in my opinion, Brian may well like having Al in particular at the show to lighten the load of carrying the show in terms of leads. With Al singing several songs, Dave doing one or two, Blondie a couple if he’s there, and the other guys in the band taking a few leads, he seems more at ease up there.

Also, while Brian’s relationship with Al (not nearly as discussed or explored as Brian or Al’s relationship with Mike) has seemed to have drastic ups and downs, and while I’m not one to read a bunch of warm-and-fuzzy stuff into something that isn’t there, I think Brian in *some* situations does find it comforting to have Al on stage with him (and Dave as well perhaps).


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 19, 2014, 06:40:30 AM
It would kind of look like Al's being left out in the cold...again.

Maybe there's a reason why that keeps happening.

This theory bandied about that Al is a pain in the ass to work with sometimes is interesting. While not without potentially some validity (most of these guys probably are at one stage or another), if this is really the case to a large degree, then it makes all of the other Beach Boys look like idiots, because they keep sporadically going back to working with Al, and are doing so with no one twisting their arm to do so. Did Mike find Al a pain in the ass during the 2012 tour? If so, WTF is he doing sharing the stage at all with Al again? Same thing with Brian, or his “team.” If Al was so annoying in 06/07, or 2012, or 2013, then why is Al as of a few weeks ago still working with Brian in the studio?

I’m not trying to read more into their relationships with Al than there is. Clearly, there has and maybe still is some uneasiness and/or contention. But neither “camp” needs Al at all. What’s the point of integrating him at all? I personally think his vocal chops alone would make it worth it to add him to an album or tour even if he was a total pain in the ass. But I’m guessing he’s not nearly that bad, and either or both camps wouldn’t even be returning his calls if it was even half as annoying as a few have suggested to work with Al in any capacity.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 19, 2014, 06:41:24 AM
It's possible that Al and David decided to break away from Brian when he insulted them by not inviting them on the few dates he's doing this summer. I'm not sure why they were excluded unless Brian truly had no plans to use them on the fall tour, either.  If he did, it seems like an oversight that he and his people couldn't be bothered to get them visas and pay them for the summer shows. I don't think it's a coincidence the show they're doing with Mike coincides with the time Brian will be doing shows without them on the other side of the globe.

Al and Dave were never billed to us (or them I would presume) as new permanent members of his band. If they were pissed off about not doing two European gigs, I doubt Al would still be in the studio working with Brian.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 19, 2014, 06:44:41 AM
I think that even though Al has probably pissed the others off a lot over the years (as they all have), they keep getting back together sporadically because of the history and because they are business partners. Simple as that.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 19, 2014, 06:48:53 AM
Where are people getting the idea Al won't be playing with Brian? They were just pictured on FB in the studio together.

Al and Dave are just playing one show with M&B. I am starting a rumor that it's a try out show because Mike is retiring in 2015 for health reasons.

Nobody has said Al or Dave or Blondie or anyone else will play another gig ever with Brian. But I agree, there’s no reason to assume it won’t happen. As I mentioned in another post, there are some very practical, financial, and logistical benefits (and yes, some drawbacks) to having any or all of Al, Dave, and Blondie on the tour. In short, there's no reason to assume Al and Dave are on board for more touring with Brian, but also no reason to so unequivocally say it won't happen, especially when Al in particualr is apparently on a number of tracks on Brian's album sessions, and is still in the studio with him.

I highly doubt Mike is retiring though, and even if he was, there’s no way the scenario would be having Al and Dave do a gig to test anything out. Al and Dave have done thousands and hundreds of BB gigs respectively. I don’t think there’s anything left to test them on. They could easily front a BB gig, but neither are a “frontman” in the Mike Love sense either. I don’t know what will happen whenever Mike voluntarily or involuntarily ceases touring, but Al and Dave doing a test gig or gigs and then taking over is not the scenario I would guess. Al is nearly as old as Mike. I think we’d more likely see the band end, or maybe see Al “sit in” for a while with some sort of “next generation” licensed version of the band with younger folk, maybe some offspring (not saying I’d want to see this, but other than BB show simply ending, that’s one potential alternate scenario).  


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 19, 2014, 06:50:34 AM
I think that even though Al has probably pissed the others off a lot over the years (as they all have), they keep getting back together sporadically because of the history and because they are business partners. Simple as that.

Quite possible. I don't think the business issue matters much. The late 90's/early 2000's proved that Mike (and to some degree Brian) could pretty easily marginalize Al in a business and decision-making sense, especially when it comes to the touring situation. They don't need him for much. He's still there, and still gets his cut, but not much else.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: dombanzai on May 19, 2014, 07:45:52 AM
If Al, as has been suggested "a pain in the backend" to work with, could someone explain in what sense as he always comes across as a very likeable chap to me. Okay, Bruce could be seen as a 'yes' man and just happy to go along with things, while David is probably grateful to be back in the limelight again and making up for lost time (and again, comes across as a very nice chap), so Al could have a chip on his shoulder dating back to the early days when he was perhaps marginalised a little, but why is he possibly an awkward fellow to work with now?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 19, 2014, 08:59:19 AM
If Al, as has been suggested "a pain in the backend" to work with, could someone explain in what sense as he always comes across as a very likeable chap to me. Okay, Bruce could be seen as a 'yes' man and just happy to go along with things, while David is probably grateful to be back in the limelight again and making up for lost time (and again, comes across as a very nice chap), so Al could have a chip on his shoulder dating back to the early days when he was perhaps marginalised a little, but why is he possibly an awkward fellow to work with now?

I've even met Al (and I don't seek out ever meeting these guys; I actually prefer not to in most cases), and he seemed totally down-to-Earth, almost naïve in his positive outlook on potential future projects and whatnot (which probably explains what Howie Edelson said about how Al really was convinced the "reunion" lineup should continue, and truly seemed to be a bit blindsided by its demise).

I also have no trouble believing at times he can be difficult to work with, as all of these guys probably are at one stage or another. We know a few of his idiosyncrasies, such as getting hung up a lot on one particular thing or another from the past. There is the infamous Gary Usher story (which, as related in the McParland book, almost rises to "Spinal Tap" status), and Mike mentioned in that cranky circa 1992 interview a similar thing about Al getting hung up on things. While Mike's comments set a complete double standard (e.g. apparently if you enlist a legal team, that's not getting hung up as much as if you're just mopey or whiney about stuff), it probably was rooted in some real things. There are some more recent "road stories" I've heard about Al and others, and while I don't know the validity of those stories, they seem plausible in some cases and nothing at all serious; just people have idiosyncrasies.

What I don't buy is that whatever Al does rises to the level of being nixed from other band members' activities, at least all the time, because they continue to seek him out at least on occasion to do stuff with him, when they don't need to.

I'm quite curious to know Mike's motives in adding Al to a single show. Just to do something different and special? Did the promoter for the Jones Beach show screw up and thought he booked the reunion lineup, so Mike grabbed a couple more BB's? Were/are ticket sales potentially slow for the Jones Beach show? Is Mike trying to look like less of a d*** to fans? Is he priming things for something bigger (e.g. more shows with Al and Dave, another full reunion, adding Al and Dave full time, etc.). Is this just a little "thank you" to Al and Dave for doing the Ella Awards (I certainly hope not; that would take some balls: "Hey Al, as a thank you, you can be in your own band again for one night")  :lol


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Shady on May 19, 2014, 09:52:42 AM
Mike and Al are just complete opposite personalities, it's amazing they ever once got along.

It's really no surprise the beach boys became mike and bruce, they are twins, dumb and dumber


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 19, 2014, 11:38:06 AM
Nobody has said Al or Dave or Blondie or anyone else will play another gig ever with Brian. But I agree, there’s no reason to assume it won’t happen.

Equally, there's no reason to assume it will. We'll see.

I'm quite curious to know Mike's motives in adding Al to a single show.

That we know of...


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: donald on May 19, 2014, 11:38:53 AM
I wonder how Scott, Cowsill, and the rest of Mike's band feel about AL.  I got some vibes at a C50 show that maybe one of Mike's guys (won't say who because it was just my impression), was a little annoyed with Al's presence on stage.

Another comment about having Al in either band;  He is the remaining original Beach Boy with a strong and versatile voice, that is unmistakingly a Beach Boy voice.  I think anyone looking for authenticity would want Al in the band.  This is what annoyed me the most about the band after Carl's passing, the fact that after losing Carl, they would ditch another original member with such a key voice.    This , to me, is where so much of the negative  ML sentiment stemmed from over the past 16 years .  


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: startBBtoday on May 19, 2014, 11:59:27 AM
Hopefully they play "I Know There's An Answer" with Al, because he sounds fantastic on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBudiG3C54E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBudiG3C54E).


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 19, 2014, 12:03:27 PM
Al didn't get many leads in Brian's shows, did he? About three or four, tops. He didn't get that many in the reunion shows, either, so I don't think Mike would give him many more leads. For having the best voice in the band, he's underused. It almost doesn't matter which act he plays with, he's not being given much of the spotlight.  

I'm not sure why Brian was booked for Ireland on the Fourth of July. He's the man behind America's Band. He played one of the Capitol shows as a solo some years ago. I'm sure they could have found him a gig in the United States, somewhere, on that day. Unless those few dates overseas this summer are intended as an out of town tryout to see how it goes without Jeff.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Foster's Freeze on May 19, 2014, 12:11:43 PM
I wonder how Scott, Cowsill, and the rest of Mike's band feel about AL.  I got some vibes at a C50 show that maybe one of Mike's guys (won't say who because it was just my impression), was a little annoyed with Al's presence on stage.

If I were "that guy" I would stand there and shut up no matter how I felt about Al.  As a musician in Mike's band he is a nobody.  Not a Beach Boy, not a member of the Beach Boys band because that ended when Mike decided he was the Beach Boys so he should be happy he's employed in a cover band and grateful that Al was gracing his presence.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 19, 2014, 12:19:07 PM
I wonder how Scott, Cowsill, and the rest of Mike's band feel about AL.  I got some vibes at a C50 show that maybe one of Mike's guys (won't say who because it was just my impression), was a little annoyed with Al's presence on stage.

If I were "that guy" I would stand there and shut up no matter how I felt about Al.  As a musician in Mike's band he is a nobody.  Not a Beach Boy, not a member of the Beach Boys band because that ended when Mike decided he was the Beach Boys so he should be happy he's employed in a cover band and grateful that Al was gracing his presence.

You can say the same about whichever member of Brian's band complained about the setlist during the C50 tour. He was quoted by a magazine but asked that his name not be used. He wasn't happy with the amount of car and surf songs in the set. He could have opted out of being included in the reunion tour if he really felt that way.  Same with the Mike guy acting annoyed with Al.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 19, 2014, 12:30:15 PM
Well, there were only two guys (assuming we’re not talking about Bruce) from Mike’s band in the C50 band. Cowsill wasn’t able to even interact with much of anybody other than Nelson Bragg on stage during the shows, so there’s only one other guy this could refer to. I didn’t pick up any negative vibes from anything I saw. I didn’t see any warm-and-fuzzies either. But that seemed to be the case both ways. As I mentioned elsewhere, did Mike even actually vocalize on stage the names of any backing band members other than Totten and Foskett? The recordings I’ve heard, when Totten or Foskett took a lead, Mike introduced them either before or after those songs. But when Darian sang “Darlin’”, at least on all the recordings I’ve heard, someone else (Foskett?) would name Darian after the performance. Not that this means much at all. There really wasn’t much space in the show for introductions, and interactions were somewhat limited as well due to the stage set-up. But there were little things that may or may not have meant anything. Like Al for instance would call out Paul’s name during sax solos, things like that.

I was a bit surprised that Totten ended up being the musical director, or co-director anyway. Not that that was a bad thing at all. From what he has written (including a good piece he wrote in the “50 Sides of the Beach Boys” book), he seems to know his s*** when it comes to BB tracks. But to have one of Mike’s guys lead the band made up mostly of Brian’s guys, and three other Beach Boys that he had rarely, if ever (in the case of Brian) worked with, that was a bit surprising. I can only assume everyone from Brian’s and Mike’s band are professionals, and whatever happened behind the scenes, they all put on an effing amazing show (which is why I wanted to see it continue).

It’s also a bit ironic that Al now plays with some former members of Mike’s band that were with Mike when Al was more estranged from Mike, guys like Phil Bardowell and Chris Farmer.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: RubberSoul13 on May 19, 2014, 12:49:10 PM
I didn't get any negativity from any band members onstage during the concert. However, soundcheck was different. I saw the show in June, so they had been at it for a few months by now. Foskett was screaming at Totten during the rehearsal process for "Isn't it Time" about Brian's lyrics on his screen. At the meet and greet, everyone was very cordial.

During the concert, Mike did all the introducing for the band members. Scott, Jeff, Darian, and Paul Von Mertens were mentioned by name.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: the professor on May 19, 2014, 03:44:44 PM

These chaps sound like the fellow who delivered paint to Picasso's house saying they didn't like a painting he did. Let's not waste ink on them.



I wonder how Scott, Cowsill, and the rest of Mike's band feel about AL.  I got some vibes at a C50 show that maybe one of Mike's guys (won't say who because it was just my impression), was a little annoyed with Al's presence on stage.

If I were "that guy" I would stand there and shut up no matter how I felt about Al.  As a musician in Mike's band he is a nobody.  Not a Beach Boy, not a member of the Beach Boys band because that ended when Mike decided he was the Beach Boys so he should be happy he's employed in a cover band and grateful that Al was gracing his presence.

You can say the same about whichever member of Brian's band complained about the setlist during the C50 tour. He was quoted by a magazine but asked that his name not be used. He wasn't happy with the amount of car and surf songs in the set. He could have opted out of being included in the reunion tour if he really felt that way.  Same with the Mike guy acting annoyed with Al.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Please delete my account on May 19, 2014, 03:48:15 PM
Minor point: Mike did introduce Darian by name at Wembley when the latter sang "Darlin'".


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: RBennett123 on May 19, 2014, 10:34:09 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/jeff-foskett-ready-to-celebrate-50-years-of-fun-fun-fun?CID=examiner_alerts_article


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: c-man on May 20, 2014, 03:32:49 AM
It’s also a bit ironic that Al now plays with some former members of Mike’s band that were with Mike when Al was more estranged from Mike, guys like Phil Bardowell and Chris Farmer.


Maybe you're aware of this, but Al was still in the BBs touring band when Chris and Phil joined up, so he had worked with them when Carl was still there.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Micha on May 20, 2014, 05:48:23 AM
It's possible that Al and David decided to break away from Brian when he insulted them by not inviting them on the few dates he's doing this summer. I'm not sure why they were excluded unless Brian truly had no plans to use them on the fall tour, either.  If he did, it seems like an oversight that he and his people couldn't be bothered to get them visas and pay them for the summer shows. I don't think it's a coincidence the show they're doing with Mike coincides with the time Brian will be doing shows without them on the other side of the globe.

Poor fellas! They must have felt like they had been fired... ::)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 20, 2014, 07:21:04 AM
It’s also a bit ironic that Al now plays with some former members of Mike’s band that were with Mike when Al was more estranged from Mike, guys like Phil Bardowell and Chris Farmer.


Maybe you're aware of this, but Al was still in the BBs touring band when Chris and Phil joined up, so he had worked with them when Carl was still there.

Yes, I believe Farmer (and Bonhomme) joined in 1996. I wasn’t sure if Bardowell joined in 1997 or 98. The first I had seen of Bardowell was those 1998 shows without Al, so I wasn’t sure on his timeline. It never seemed like Carl or Al connected with guys like Bonhomme or Farmer the way they had with Ed Carter or Billy Hinsche or Mike Meros, which timeline-wise is understandable.

But I suppose the idea I was describing was simply that in the acrimony of the splintering of the group in 1998, these were guys that were unwittingly emblematic of Mike’s “Beach Boys.”


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 20, 2014, 07:22:48 AM
Minor point: Mike did introduce Darian by name at Wembley when the latter sang "Darlin'".

Good to know. My question about whether Mike had named any other guys in the band was not meant as rhetorical, I was definitely interested in whether he had. Obviously, it doesn’t matter much, but it’s an interesting tiny insight into the interpersonal dynamic of that band. 


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Foster's Freeze on May 20, 2014, 07:42:18 AM
To me it's still strange to try and take Mike & Bruce seriously when the band doesn't have any of "the" band members.

Foskett helps I suppose but Ed Carter.........we miss you Eddie!

I always felt like I was watching the Beach Boys when I would see Al with his band.  That seemed more legit than Mike's.

That said, I wonder if we'll see more changes with Mike's lineup?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mike's Beard on May 20, 2014, 07:55:02 AM
It's possible that Al and David decided to break away from Brian when he insulted them by not inviting them on the few dates he's doing this summer. I'm not sure why they were excluded unless Brian truly had no plans to use them on the fall tour, either.  If he did, it seems like an oversight that he and his people couldn't be bothered to get them visas and pay them for the summer shows. I don't think it's a coincidence the show they're doing with Mike coincides with the time Brian will be doing shows without them on the other side of the globe.

Poor fellas! They must have felt like they had been fired... ::)

Zing!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 20, 2014, 07:58:44 AM
Wait and see if they're on Brian's fall tour.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: MaryUSA on May 20, 2014, 08:49:18 AM
Hi all,

Does that mean Mike and Christian are figthing? 


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: bonnevillemariner on May 20, 2014, 09:33:27 AM
Hi all,

Does that mean Mike and Christian are figthing? 

I wouldn't think so, but it would be funny to start seeing the father-son lawsuits fly!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Micha on May 20, 2014, 10:06:56 AM
Mike and Al are just complete opposite personalities, it's amazing they ever once got along.

They were both into Transcendental Meditation.

Didn't Al even go to Transcendental school? Oh, wait, that was just dental school.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Lowbacca on May 20, 2014, 10:28:53 AM
Mike and Al are just complete opposite personalities, it's amazing they ever once got along.

They were both into Transcendental Meditation.

Didn't Al even go to Transcendental school? Oh, wait, that was just dental school.
Not bad. Not bad at all.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: TimmyC on May 20, 2014, 10:29:36 AM
I went cold turkey on this message board back in October, but I thought I'd log on today to complain about $80 Mike and Bruce tickets. And pow! Some fascinating news. I only read the first page of this thread, so I apologize if this has already been hashed out, but is there any way to know which shows Alan and Dave will be at? I would definitely shell out the $80 if all four are there (even though I still think that's pricey)

Anyway, very cool about Foskett. I just wish Alan and Dave were there as permanent members as well. Ah well, I guess that ship sailed a long, long time ago.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cam Mott on May 20, 2014, 10:38:26 AM
It's possible that Al and David decided to break away from Brian when he insulted them by not inviting them on the few dates he's doing this summer. I'm not sure why they were excluded unless Brian truly had no plans to use them on the fall tour, either.  If he did, it seems like an oversight that he and his people couldn't be bothered to get them visas and pay them for the summer shows. I don't think it's a coincidence the show they're doing with Mike coincides with the time Brian will be doing shows without them on the other side of the globe.

Poor fellas! They must have felt like they had been fired... ::)

Good one.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Emdeeh on May 20, 2014, 10:50:43 AM
Does that mean Mike and Christian are figthing? 

I doubt it. I heard (don't remember where or when) a while back that Christian saw this as a temp gig and had been wanting to go back to making his own music. He wasn't on tour with the M&B show last October, so I wasn't surprised that he left.

is there any way to know which shows Alan and Dave will be at?

The July 5th Jones Beach show -- that's the only one announced.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: TimmyC on May 20, 2014, 11:00:16 AM
is there any way to know which shows Alan and Dave will be at?

The July 5th Jones Beach show -- that's the only one announced.

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Thanks man. :)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: c-man on May 20, 2014, 09:03:53 PM
Mike and Al are just complete opposite personalities, it's amazing they ever once got along.

They were both into Transcendental Meditation.

Didn't Al even go to Transcendental school? Oh, wait, that was just dental school.
Not bad. Not bad at all.

Actually - he DID go to TM school, and so did Mike...in Majorca, Spain, right after the '72 European tour. There they were certified as TM instructors themselves.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 20, 2014, 10:05:59 PM
Minor point: Mike did introduce Darian by name at Wembley when the latter sang "Darlin'".

Sounds like Jeff to me.

http://youtu.be/w385_gbEvl8


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Please delete my account on May 20, 2014, 11:26:25 PM
Minor point: Mike did introduce Darian by name at Wembley when the latter sang "Darlin'".

Sounds like Jeff to me.

http://youtu.be/w385_gbEvl8

No, BEFORE they played it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOzkXEjoZX0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOzkXEjoZX0)
4.34


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 21, 2014, 01:27:18 AM
Gotcha. My bad!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: STE on May 21, 2014, 01:33:00 AM

Yes, I believe Farmer (and Bonhomme) joined in 1996. I wasn’t sure if Bardowell joined in 1997 or 98. The first I had seen of Bardowell was those 1998 shows without Al, so I wasn’t sure on his timeline.



I saw the BB with Bardowell (+Farmer, Bonhomme, Meros, Carter, M.Jardine, Cannata) in April 1997.



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on May 21, 2014, 04:19:10 PM
So, did Mike invite just David and Al, or Brian too?
If so, did Brian decline?
Hmmmmmmm.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: urbanite on May 21, 2014, 04:24:27 PM
In all fairness, to fly to New York in the middle of summer when the humidity is high, for one concert, is a trek.  I hope an invitation was extended to BW, but could understand why he would decline.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 21, 2014, 04:28:14 PM
I'm sure Brian would decline no matter what, but then, I'm pretty sure Mike didn't invite. Or if he did, the invitation fell into phone tag hell.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: c-man on May 21, 2014, 08:53:41 PM

Yes, I believe Farmer (and Bonhomme) joined in 1996. I wasn’t sure if Bardowell joined in 1997 or 98. The first I had seen of Bardowell was those 1998 shows without Al, so I wasn’t sure on his timeline.



I saw the BB with Bardowell (+Farmer, Bonhomme, Meros, Carter, M.Jardine, Cannata) in April 1997.



You sure about Carter being there? Farmer replaced him, and Bonhomme replaced Billy, both in '96. Did you mean Kowalski? What people seem to forget is, the band was exactly the same right after Carl passed away, except for the absence of Al and Richie, and soon Matt. Matt was replaced on falsetto by a returning Adrian Baker. So at that point, you had Dave and Adrian, both of whom had played in the band extensively with Carl previously (and Dave being a founding member, of course, boosted the credibility manifold), plus Kowalski and Meros who went way back, and Farmer, Bonhomme and Bardowell, the new guys on the block, but they still went back two years with Carl in the case of the first two and one year with Carl in the case of the third. If Carl had lived, it's doubtful the band would've been any different in terms of the backup guys, except for the Adrian replacing Matt thing. Politically and corporate-wise, it was a new arrangement, but musically speaking, it was pretty much a continuation, with the obvious and glaring exceptions of Carl and Al.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 21, 2014, 09:19:30 PM
Clip saying from late 97.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAq_b24unjg


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 21, 2014, 11:02:15 PM
So, did Mike invite just David and Al, or Brian too?
If so, did Brian decline?
Hmmmmmmm.

If an invitation was issued - and remember, it was for the Regan 100th show - I doubt Brian declined.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: STE on May 21, 2014, 11:31:52 PM

Yes, I believe Farmer (and Bonhomme) joined in 1996. I wasn’t sure if Bardowell joined in 1997 or 98. The first I had seen of Bardowell was those 1998 shows without Al, so I wasn’t sure on his timeline.



I saw the BB with Bardowell (+Farmer, Bonhomme, Meros, Carter, M.Jardine, Cannata) in April 1997.



You sure about Carter being there? Farmer replaced him, and Bonhomme replaced Billy, both in '96. Did you mean Kowalski? What people seem to forget is, the band was exactly the same right after Carl passed away, except for the absence of Al and Richie, and soon Matt. Matt was replaced on falsetto by a returning Adrian Baker. So at that point, you had Dave and Adrian, both of whom had played in the band extensively with Carl previously (and Dave being a founding member, of course, boosted the credibility manifold), plus Kowalski and Meros who went way back, and Farmer, Bonhomme and Bardowell, the new guys on the block, but they still went back two years with Carl in the case of the first two and one year with Carl in the case of the third. If Carl had lived, it's doubtful the band would've been any different in terms of the backup guys, except for the Adrian replacing Matt thing. Politically and corporate-wise, it was a new arrangement, but musically speaking, it was pretty much a continuation, with the obvious and glaring exceptions of Carl and Al.


Umh.. you may be right.  I know Farmer was there but somehow I have memories of him playing guitar.. which doesn't make much sense.  I have photos of the gig somewhere, I'll try to dig them out and confirm.

 


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 22, 2014, 02:31:06 AM
So, did Mike invite just David and Al, or Brian too?
If so, did Brian decline?
Hmmmmmmm.

If an invitation was issued - and remember, it was for the Regan 100th show - I doubt Brian declined.

I think he is meaning the Jones Beach Show, not the Reagan bash. David wasn't at that.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 22, 2014, 04:31:54 AM
So, did Mike invite just David and Al, or Brian too?
If so, did Brian decline?
Hmmmmmmm.

If an invitation was issued - and remember, it was for the Regan 100th show - I doubt Brian declined.

I think he is meaning the Jones Beach Show, not the Reagan bash. David wasn't at that.

AGD is aware of that.

What he meant was that Brian WAS invited to the Reagan thing so it`s not outside the bounds of possibility that he would have been invited to the Jones Beach Show.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ToneBender631 on May 22, 2014, 04:54:22 AM
So, did Mike invite just David and Al, or Brian too?
If so, did Brian decline?
Hmmmmmmm.

If an invitation was issued - and remember, it was for the Regan 100th show - I doubt Brian declined.

I think he is meaning the Jones Beach Show, not the Reagan bash. David wasn't at that.

AGD is aware of that.

What he meant was that Brian WAS invited to the Reagan thing so it`s not outside the bounds of possibility that he would have been invited to the Jones Beach Show.

More likely Brian already had the UK date booked and wasn't exactly about to cancel that. FWIW, it looks like they're not opening the upper deck of the JB show, bringing the total capacity probably down somewhere between 9K - 11K. It didn't quite sell out in 2012, but I'd put that down to the ticket prices and the fact that it was like their 5th or 6th show in the NY/NJ/CT area at that point.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 22, 2014, 06:45:44 AM
While any non-appearance (and non-offer to join in if that is what happened; my guess is Mike did probably throw an offer out there technically) from Brian would be largely due to the political/interpersonal machinations that have been involved with Brian and Mike (and their “camps”) for years, I do also believe that there is another reason that could be involved in Brian not appearing at gigs like this (Jones Beach, the Ella awards).

Once *all* of the core surviving members (meaning the five from C50, no offense to Blondie, etc.) are there, it is a much different situation than even three or four of them (especially when the variable in question is Brian). It then garners much more publicity (and attention and pressure from media, critics, etc.), and it also in some small ways in terms of specific PR/marketing, etc. tends to slightly “devalue” the novelty of a reunion. So, if there is *any* chance at all that the reunited group will do something together in the future (a TV special, a few gigs, a small tour, another big tour, whatever), it is indeed better for marketing purposes to not have them all on stage in the interim, especially if the idea would be for sporadic shows with all five of them in that interim. A 2015 or 2016 reunion will have more novelty if there weren’t random gigs here or there where all five of them were already on stage together. It wouldn’t be a huge deal (how many who bought tickets to C50 knew Brian had literally never been on a “Beach Boys” concert stage since 1996 or so, and hadn’t toured consistently since the early 80’s? Many, but certainly probably not all), but enough of a big deal to perhaps be another small factor for the non-appearance of Brian.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Foster's Freeze on May 22, 2014, 07:05:27 AM
While any non-appearance (and non-offer to join in if that is what happened; my guess is Mike did probably throw an offer out there technically) from Brian would be largely due to the political/interpersonal machinations that have been involved with Brian and Mike (and their “camps”) for years, I do also believe that there is another reason that could be involved in Brian not appearing at gigs like this (Jones Beach, the Ella awards).

Once *all* of the core surviving members (meaning the five from C50, no offense to Blondie, etc.) are there, it is a much different situation than even three or four of them (especially when the variable in question is Brian). It then garners much more publicity (and attention and pressure from media, critics, etc.), and it also in some small ways in terms of specific PR/marketing, etc. tends to slightly “devalue” the novelty of a reunion. So, if there is *any* chance at all that the reunited group will do something together in the future (a TV special, a few gigs, a small tour, another big tour, whatever), it is indeed better for marketing purposes to not have them all on stage in the interim, especially if the idea would be for sporadic shows with all five of them in that interim. A 2015 or 2016 reunion will have more novelty if there weren’t random gigs here or there where all five of them were already on stage together. It wouldn’t be a huge deal (how many who bought tickets to C50 knew Brian had literally never been on a “Beach Boys” concert stage since 1996 or so, and hadn’t toured consistently since the early 80’s? Many, but certainly probably not all), but enough of a big deal to perhaps be another small factor for the non-appearance of Brian.


Sounds like the Mike Love theory to me.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 22, 2014, 07:58:01 AM
Why must BW appear at the invitation and whims of Mike Love? Mike is not the BBs leader and main founder of the group.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: drbeachboy on May 22, 2014, 08:36:28 AM
Why must BW appear at the invitation and whims of Mike Love? Mike is not the BBs leader and main founder of the group.
He surely is the leader for the touring Beach Boys. The main founder, if there is one, died in 1983, so can't ask him. Plus, if recall correctly wasn't the surfing song idea from Dennis given to both Brian & Mike? You know, I don't think Brian puts himself on a higher horse than some of us fans do. It's frightening how we think about this band.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 22, 2014, 09:55:22 AM
I gotcha, I am just frustrated with BW vs. the BBs talk here recently.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 22, 2014, 10:13:45 AM
When is there not BW vs. the BB talk?  It's always been that way. Also, in this topic itself, there is the issue of Jeff leaving Brian for Mike's Beach Boys.  As well as Al and David playing one gig with Mike after hooking up with Brian for a tour.  Things have changed a little bit after the infighting right after C50.



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Custom Machine on May 22, 2014, 11:22:52 AM


Once *all* of the core surviving members (meaning the five from C50, no offense to Blondie, etc.) are there, it is a much different situation than even three or four of them (especially when the variable in question is Brian). It then garners much more publicity (and attention and pressure from media, critics, etc.), and it also in some small ways in terms of specific PR/marketing, etc. tends to slightly “devalue” the novelty of a reunion. So, if there is *any* chance at all that the reunited group will do something together in the future (a TV special, a few gigs, a small tour, another big tour, whatever), it is indeed better for marketing purposes to not have them all on stage in the interim, especially if the idea would be for sporadic shows with all five of them in that interim. A 2015 or 2016 reunion will have more novelty if there weren’t random gigs here or there where all five of them were already on stage together. It wouldn’t be a huge deal (how many who bought tickets to C50 knew Brian had literally never been on a “Beach Boys” concert stage since 1996 or so, and hadn’t toured consistently since the early 80’s? Many, but certainly probably not all), but enough of a big deal to perhaps be another small factor for the non-appearance of Brian.


Agree completely, except to say that having the 5 principals perform together now would have a huge effect in devaluing the future marketability of, for example, a 2016 Pet Sounds reunion.  If such a reunion is in the long term plans, either as a one time event (with CD and DVD) or an actual tour, being able to say in 2016, "And now, for the first time since their celebrated 50th anniversary reunion in 2012, The Beach Boys are reuniting once again to mark the 50th anniversary of their acclaimed album Pet Sounds."  To the public the message is, "Hey, these guys rarely get together, so you better go and see them now, while you still can!"

But really, what I'd like to see now is the 5 principals getting together to turn BW's forthcoming album into a Beach Boys album, with a corresponding tour.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: urbanite on May 22, 2014, 11:31:44 AM
Never ignore the possibility that in their 70's one of the members might not make it to 2016, or is in poor health and unable to perform.  If they have a project in mind, they ought to work on it while they're healthy.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 22, 2014, 11:49:53 AM
If a PS50 doesn't happen I think Mike has the '50 Years Of Good Vibrations Tour' title as back-up. :lol


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 22, 2014, 12:10:17 PM
Never ignore the possibility that in their 70's one of the members might not make it to 2016, or is in poor health and unable to perform.  If they have a project in mind, they ought to work on it while they're healthy.

Totally agree.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: donald on May 22, 2014, 01:28:51 PM
Well, this years beach boy tour is being called 50 years of FFF.  Next year 50 years of madness???, and the year after 50 years of PS?  Then, in 17, Beach Boys Love You long time tour?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 22, 2014, 02:55:55 PM
Well, this years beach boy tour is being called 50 years of FFF.  Next year 50 years of madness???, and the year after 50 years of PS?  Then, in 17, Beach Boys Love You long time tour?

Next year is a biggie. 50 Years of California Girls. I don't know if Mike Love can resist.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 22, 2014, 03:11:16 PM
Better California Girls than 50 Years of Bruce. ;D


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mark H on May 22, 2014, 03:26:25 PM
Well, this years beach boy tour is being called 50 years of FFF.  Next year 50 years of madness???, and the year after 50 years of PS?  Then, in 17, Beach Boys Love You long time tour?

 :lol  :lol  :lol


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: drbeachboy on May 22, 2014, 03:51:00 PM
Better California Girls than 50 Years of Bruce. ;D
:lol


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 22, 2014, 06:42:06 PM
I want a Bruce songs set. :lol


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: the professor on May 22, 2014, 08:13:00 PM
TIME TO CLOSE THIS THREAD? We will need a new clean place to monitor the evolving and shifting bb line up. I am predicting more shows with "abb": "all but Brian," though I hope he relents and rejoins the band he founded.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on May 22, 2014, 11:46:55 PM
I want a Bruce songs set. :lol

I WANT ALL SHOWS TO BE OPENED WITH PIPELINE!!!!!!!!!!!

STRAP THAT BASS ON BRUCE BY FORCE IF NECESSARY


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: adamghost on May 23, 2014, 12:00:48 AM
I want a Bruce songs set. :lol

I WANT ALL SHOWS TO BE OPENED WITH PIPELINE!!!!!!!!!!!

STRAP THAT BASS ON BRUCE BY FORCE IF NECESSARY

LOL


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: c-man on May 23, 2014, 04:02:31 AM
Six years from now, there could be a 20/20 tour.

Think about it.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Foster's Freeze on May 23, 2014, 06:47:47 AM
Live from the other side, the "50 years of Summer in Paradise" 2042's hottest hologram concert spectacular.

 :3d


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Micha on May 23, 2014, 06:59:58 AM
Never ignore the possibility that in their 70's one of the members might not make it to 2016, or is in poor health and unable to perform.  If they have a project in mind, they ought to work on it while they're healthy.

While that of course is a possibility, Charles Aznavour celebrated his 90th birthday with a big concert this week...  :o So you never know.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: urbanite on May 23, 2014, 07:29:38 AM
Sure it's possible they could play until they're 80, but it wouldn't be a huge shock if one of the members had a heart attack and died, if only because they're older and that kind of thing happens.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 23, 2014, 01:32:18 PM
You're a right little ray of sunshine aren't you!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: The Shift on May 24, 2014, 02:51:58 AM
Well, this years beach boy tour is being called 50 years of FFF.  Next year 50 years of madness???, and the year after 50 years of PS?  Then, in 17, Beach Boys Love You long time tour?

Next year is a biggie. 50 Years of California Girls. I don't know if Mike Love can resist.

50 Years of California Girls are all pregnant. Yuk yuk yuk…


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cool Cool Water on May 24, 2014, 05:11:50 AM

My humble abode, "Bellagio Towers":

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/t1.0-9/269470_10150706375580510_6133582_n.jpg)

Somewhere to lay the head at the end of the day.

Got to love Stokesay castle  ;) ...


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: the professor on May 24, 2014, 12:28:35 PM
please end this thread; it is not generating information or insight. Create a new thread when tangible updates about the BB shows and personnel come to light.

thank you,

The Professor


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 24, 2014, 02:26:23 PM
Why end it?  ??? Other threads seem to get re-posted on years after the fact. Though perhaps if there is info not related to the specific topic, it should be posted in another thread. This thread went all over the place, but that happens all the time, too.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 24, 2014, 03:02:31 PM

My humble abode, "Bellagio Towers":

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/t1.0-9/269470_10150706375580510_6133582_n.jpg)

Somewhere to lay the head at the end of the day.

Got to love Stokesay castle  ;) ...

I do, which is why I bought it last year, and renamed it.  ;D


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: urbanite on May 24, 2014, 03:04:06 PM
If you own that castle, you ought to host one of the Beach Boys' fan conventions there.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: The Shift on May 25, 2014, 12:01:00 AM
If you own that castle, you ought to host one of the Beach Boys' fan conventions there.

… and get your butler to serve high tea…


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 25, 2014, 07:26:01 AM
Was tonight intended to be the first (re) appearance of Jeff? And if so, is anyone attending?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Rich Panteluk on May 25, 2014, 01:36:30 PM
Jeff played with them last night.  Not sure f it was his first show with them though and I wasn't there but I received some pics from the show and a positive report from another fan.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: the professor on May 25, 2014, 03:04:47 PM
OK, we are back on topic. We have a new BB band and the promise of at least one show with ABB. The Professor doubles down:  Al and Dave will not play with BW but rather will do more shows with the BB--a prediction, neither knowledge nor rumor. Capital will start talking with the band , and a new album, without JT but made by all the BB, including Brian, will come out in 2016, containing some Love-Jardine authored songs and Love-Wilson as well; it will NOT be a anniversary of PS related album. I will stand corrected if none of this happens by New Year's Eve 2016.



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: baseball95 on May 25, 2014, 03:10:14 PM
I'm anxious to see if Jeff takes over falsetto, if they add any new songs to the set as well as what vocals he gets.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 25, 2014, 03:24:43 PM
An album with love-Jardine songs sounds terrible. Brian writing with Mike is already bad enough since Mike's creativity is dried up.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 25, 2014, 03:46:15 PM
OK, we are back on topic. We have a new BB band and the promise of at least one show with ABB. The Professor doubles down:  Al and Dave will not play with BW but rather will do more shows with the BB--a prediction, neither knowledge nor rumor. Capital will start talking with the band , and a new album, without JT but made by all the BB, including Brian, will come out in 2016, containing some Love-Jardine authored songs and Love-Wilson as well; it will NOT be a anniversary of PS related album. I will stand corrected if none of this happens by New Year's Eve 2016.


Professor, I take that bet. With Al's son in Brian's band, and Al & David still recoding with Brian, I can easily see more BAD shows.

Let us say, loser buys dinner next time I come down to Redondo?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mark H. on May 25, 2014, 05:46:05 PM
At the Louisville show right now.  Jeff is here and looking relaxed as the show is abot to start.  No surprise guests that I've seen thus far.  My first Mike/Bruce show.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: donald on May 25, 2014, 06:00:49 PM
News at eleven 8)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mikie on May 25, 2014, 06:07:05 PM
Jeff Foskett's integration into the Mike and Bruce show is seamless. He's already played and sang all of those songs 437 times each.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 25, 2014, 06:07:51 PM
 :lol


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: donald on May 25, 2014, 06:49:33 PM
Heff Foskett's integration into the Mike and Bruce show is seamless. He's already played and sang all of those songs 437 times each.
Mikie, I beg to differ.  More like 837 times.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Jim V. on May 25, 2014, 08:04:49 PM
Heff Foskett's integration into the Mike and Bruce show is seamless. He's already played and sang all of those songs 437 times each.

I'm assuming that was a Freudian slip. "Heff".........hahahahha.


I'm a bit overweight myself by maybe 20 pounds so I think I'm allowed to make a Foskett fat joke. Maybe.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: the professor on May 25, 2014, 09:22:02 PM

agreed. I'll put two tacos at burrito jr on PCH near Avenue A on it. I would not risk a full meal at old Tony's on the pier!I guess what is so strange is that all of the Beach Boys are in play now, that is years ago we did not even have the question of al and Dave playing with the Beach Boys but now they are going to, at least for that one show. Look, the whole thing is so confusing to all of us. My hope is something so simple, that all the surviving Beach Boys can make music together and be happy and show us their creative and performative best. That is all that I really hope for.


uote author=OregonRiverRider link=topic=17604.msg451904#msg451904 date=1401057975]
OK, we are back on topic. We have a new BB band and the promise of at least one show with ABB. The Professor doubles down:  Al and Dave will not play with BW but rather will do more shows with the BB--a prediction, neither knowledge nor rumor. Capital will start talking with the band , and a new album, without JT but made by all the BB, including Brian, will come out in 2016, containing some Love-Jardine authored songs and Love-Wilson as well; it will NOT be a anniversary of PS related album. I will stand corrected if none of this happens by New Year's Eve 2016.


Professor, I take that bet. With Al's son in Brian's band, and Al & David still recoding with Brian, I can easily see more BAD shows.

Let us say, loser buys dinner next time I come down to Redondo?
[/quote]


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mayoman on May 25, 2014, 09:31:39 PM
According to Twitter, they played "Dear Prudence" at Abbey Road on The River tonight. Cool stuff.

And here's a photo. Mike and Bruce have been brought closer together. http://instagram.com/p/ocbsnbDVt8/

Little video clips: http://instagram.com/p/ocSFP3qtKw/

http://instagram.com/p/ocOU6yJGFA/

https://vine.co/v/MwPtjEDUJPe

Also apparently Stamos was in the house.

Sounds like Jeff got the falsettos.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mikie on May 25, 2014, 09:37:57 PM
Heff Foskett's integration into the Mike and Bruce show is seamless. He's already played and sang all of those songs 437 times each.

I'm assuming that was a Freudian slip. "Heff".........hahahahha.


I'm a bit overweight myself by maybe 20 pounds so I think I'm allowed to make a Foskett fat joke. Maybe.

That was a misprint. Didn't have my glasses on and didn't preafrood before I hit the "post" button.

I respect Jeff. He's a good guy. Some say he isn't so nice and say they haven't had pleasant meetings with him in person. I've never had any problems with him.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mayoman on May 25, 2014, 09:41:29 PM
And here's a full "Kokomo": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWTIhG_E3-0


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 25, 2014, 11:06:05 PM
OK, we are back on topic. We have a new BB band and the promise of at least one show with ABB. The Professor doubles down:  Al and Dave will not play with BW but rather will do more shows with the BB--a prediction, neither knowledge nor rumor. Capital will start talking with the band , and a new album, without JT but made by all the BB, including Brian, will come out in 2016, containing some Love-Jardine authored songs and Love-Wilson as well; it will NOT be a anniversary of PS related album. I will stand corrected if none of this happens by New Year's Eve 2016.

I'll be as astonished if A&D don't play a few more shows with M&B as I will be if there's a new, full-on BB album at any time in the future.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Custom Machine on May 25, 2014, 11:18:24 PM

I'll be as astonished if A&D don't play a few more shows with M&B as I will be if there's a new, full-on BB album at any time in the future.


I'll be very surprised if the first doesn't happen, and absolutely amazed (as would Paul McCartney) if the second doesn't ultimately occur.




Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Kurosawa on May 25, 2014, 11:45:57 PM
An album with love-Jardine songs sounds terrible. Brian writing with Mike is already bad enough since Mike's creativity is dried up.

Imagine what sorts of songs Mike and Brian could write if they just decided to write about what they really cared about. The songs would be a mix of songs about food, Shortnin' Bread covers, and songs about TM. It would be completely insane and either brilliant or terrible.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on May 26, 2014, 12:14:24 AM

agreed. I'll put two tacos at burrito jr on PCH near Avenue A on it. I would not risk a full meal at old Tony's on the pier!I guess what is so strange is that all of the Beach Boys are in play now, that is years ago we did not even have the question of al and Dave playing with the Beach Boys but now they are going to, at least for that one show. Look, the whole thing is so confusing to all of us. My hope is something so simple, that all the surviving Beach Boys can make music together and be happy and show us their creative and performative best. That is all that I really hope for.


uote author=OregonRiverRider link=topic=17604.msg451904#msg451904 date=1401057975]
OK, we are back on topic. We have a new BB band and the promise of at least one show with ABB. The Professor doubles down:  Al and Dave will not play with BW but rather will do more shows with the BB--a prediction, neither knowledge nor rumor. Capital will start talking with the band , and a new album, without JT but made by all the BB, including Brian, will come out in 2016, containing some Love-Jardine authored songs and Love-Wilson as well; it will NOT be a anniversary of PS related album. I will stand corrected if none of this happens by New Year's Eve 2016.


Professor, I take that bet. With Al's son in Brian's band, and Al & David still recoding with Brian, I can easily see more BAD shows.

Let us say, loser buys dinner next time I come down to Redondo?
[/quote]

Old Tony's: my favorite restaurant anywhere :)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 26, 2014, 12:21:44 AM

agreed. I'll put two tacos at burrito jr on PCH near Avenue A on it. I would not risk a full meal at old Tony's on the pier!I guess what is so strange is that all of the Beach Boys are in play now, that is years ago we did not even have the question of al and Dave playing with the Beach Boys but now they are going to, at least for that one show. Look, the whole thing is so confusing to all of us. My hope is something so simple, that all the surviving Beach Boys can make music together and be happy and show us their creative and performative best. That is all that I really hope for.


uote author=OregonRiverRider link=topic=17604.msg451904#msg451904 date=1401057975]
OK, we are back on topic. We have a new BB band and the promise of at least one show with ABB. The Professor doubles down:  Al and Dave will not play with BW but rather will do more shows with the BB--a prediction, neither knowledge nor rumor. Capital will start talking with the band , and a new album, without JT but made by all the BB, including Brian, will come out in 2016, containing some Love-Jardine authored songs and Love-Wilson as well; it will NOT be a anniversary of PS related album. I will stand corrected if none of this happens by New Year's Eve 2016.


Professor, I take that bet. With Al's son in Brian's band, and Al & David still recoding with Brian, I can easily see more BAD shows.

Let us say, loser buys dinner next time I come down to Redondo?
[/quote]

I agree to your terms Professor. Loser buys the other two tacos at Burrito Jr on PCH.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 26, 2014, 01:24:46 AM
With Al's son in Brian's band, and Al & David still recoding with Brian, I can easily see more BAD shows.

I'll wager half the farm, the college fund and my mortal soul* that there will be no more BAD shows in the foreseeable future (shows with M&B along for the ride are ineligible). And as David is currently in Peru, I doubt he's recording with Brian.

[* OK, I said that for comic effect - we all know I don't have one]


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 26, 2014, 01:39:17 AM
A few seconds of Foskett singing "Barbara Ann" with his new/old group.

http://instagram.com/p/oc42I3pGI0/


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Micha on May 26, 2014, 01:51:30 AM
I'll wager half the farm, the college fund and my mortal soul* that there will be no more BAD shows in the foreseeable future (shows with M&B along for the ride are ineligible). And as David is currently in Peru, I doubt he's recording with Brian.

[* OK, I said that for comic effect - we all know I don't have one]

Depending on how you define "soul" I may even agree you actually have a "mortal soul". ;D (As opposed to an immortal one. :-D)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on May 26, 2014, 01:59:46 AM

agreed. I'll put two tacos at burrito jr on PCH near Avenue A on it. I would not risk a full meal at old Tony's on the pier!I guess what is so strange is that all of the Beach Boys are in play now, that is years ago we did not even have the question of al and Dave playing with the Beach Boys but now they are going to, at least for that one show. Look, the whole thing is so confusing to all of us. My hope is something so simple, that all the surviving Beach Boys can make music together and be happy and show us their creative and performative best. That is all that I really hope for.


uote author=OregonRiverRider link=topic=17604.msg451904#msg451904 date=1401057975]
OK, we are back on topic. We have a new BB band and the promise of at least one show with ABB. The Professor doubles down:  Al and Dave will not play with BW but rather will do more shows with the BB--a prediction, neither knowledge nor rumor. Capital will start talking with the band , and a new album, without JT but made by all the BB, including Brian, will come out in 2016, containing some Love-Jardine authored songs and Love-Wilson as well; it will NOT be a anniversary of PS related album. I will stand corrected if none of this happens by New Year's Eve 2016.


Professor, I take that bet. With Al's son in Brian's band, and Al & David still recoding with Brian, I can easily see more BAD shows.

Let us say, loser buys dinner next time I come down to Redondo?

I agree to your terms Professor. Loser buys the other two tacos at Burrito Jr on PCH.
[/quote]

Why don't you just make the loser owe a couple burgers at THE "hamburger stand now" on Hawthorne BLVD?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Lov
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on May 26, 2014, 02:03:38 AM
Or the Round Table Pizza on PCH which used to be The Beach Boys Cafe?

El Burrito is tops but the lines are so damn long!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 26, 2014, 02:36:09 AM
Get Randell back on the falsetto parts.

Jeff`s voice sounds like nails on a blackboard to me. Harsh probably but there we are.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: baseball95 on May 26, 2014, 08:19:53 AM
Anyone have a set from one of the shows they've done with Jeff so far?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: filledeplage on May 26, 2014, 08:46:49 AM
Get Randell back on the falsetto parts.

Jeff`s voice sounds like nails on a blackboard to me. Harsh probably but there we are.
Randell's vocal register seems closer to Brian's, in falsetto, effortlessly. 

But, I think Jeff's is closer to Carl's.  There is still some YouTube from the 1980's, from Belgium, I think, where you can hear Jeff (a very fine singer, in his own right) on Don't Worry Baby. 

It is what you're born with.  The one with the greatest vocal register range is Mike. Amazing.  But he was born with it.  JMHO.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mayoman on May 26, 2014, 11:55:51 AM
Anyone have a set from one of the shows they've done with Jeff so far?

Here's the setlist from last night: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-beach-boys/2014/waterfront-park-louisville-ky-73c086ed.html

Note that it was a Beatles-themed event, hence the 3 covers.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on May 26, 2014, 12:13:32 PM
Anyone have a set from one of the shows they've done with Jeff so far?

Here's the setlist from last night: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-beach-boys/2014/waterfront-park-louisville-ky-73c086ed.html

Note that it was a Beatles-themed event, hence the 3 covers.

Wonder if Mike sang Dear Prudence. That would be pretty cool.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 26, 2014, 12:45:16 PM
Dear Prudence is another reference to Mike's time in Rishikesh with the Beatles, since Prudence was Prudence Farrow. That trip must have been the highlight of Mike's life. I'm sure it will take up a chapter or two if he ever writes a book.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: sandmountainslim on May 26, 2014, 01:54:23 PM
Well....this is huge news for The Beach Boys (touring version) and I am seriously thinking of buying tickets to their tour in July.   
To a person who became a BB fan in the 80's Jeffrey IS a Beach Boy.   If Al and David book more shows with the band it would be great.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mark H. on May 26, 2014, 10:21:38 PM
Mike sang Back in the USSR followed by Dear Prudence.  He also sang a new original about Guru dev - meh.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 27, 2014, 05:19:04 AM
"Pisces Brothers" ?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mark H. on May 27, 2014, 05:30:15 AM
Pisces Brothers - sounds about right.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 27, 2014, 06:50:30 AM
I mentioned variations on this in a previous post, but as to the question of more “BAD” shows, my theory was that adding Al and Dave (and Blondie) to shows did help Brian’s ticket sales more than Al and Dave would help sell tickets to Mike’s shows.

While we only have an indication of a couple of October Brian gigs, it appears he may end up playing mostly smaller indoor theaters and art centers and the like, rather than larger indoor theaters and outdoor amphitheaters. If that is the case, that could possibly be an indication we won’t see Al or Dave or other guests on the next tour, as Brian can more easily fill these smaller venues with his regular fan base.

On the one hand, Al being on Brian’s new album, recording with him in the last month or so, and his son joining Brian’s band, coupled with Al having played with Brian last year, would seem to point to a strong possibility of Al at least playing with Brian again this year. At the same time, in the strange world of the Beach Boys, I could totally see Matt playing Brian’s band without Al being invited along. Al certainly appears to not have a beef with Matt being independently employed even when it’s Beach Boys-related. He commented in his 2000 Goldmine interview that he was aware that Matt was still playing with Mike in 1998 after he (Al) was gone.

 So, could we possibly not see actual “BAD” shows, but maybe just Al? Who knows….


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 27, 2014, 10:23:16 AM
Isn't Matt over 40 years old? And doesn't Al have other sons he would like to spend time with?  Al may or may not tour with Brian in the future, but I doubt Matt being with Brian is that big of an influence on whether he will. I'm sure the ball is in Brian's court and whether he wants to pony up another salary for Al.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 27, 2014, 10:34:02 AM
On the one hand, Al being on Brian’s new album, recording with him in the last month or so, and his son joining Brian’s band, coupled with Al having played with Brian last year, would seem to point to a strong possibility of Al at least playing with Brian again this year.

Why ? You might just as well say both Alan's sons singing in California Saga indicate he'd play with them at some stage... or that Alan & David playing with Mike twice this year means they will again this summer. My guess is that the latter is far more likely than Alan joining Brian on tour.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: tpesky on May 27, 2014, 06:33:28 PM
So Al can record with Brian, not tour with him? Interesting.....


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: donald on May 27, 2014, 08:58:56 PM
a short few years ago I had grown accustomed to attending excellent shows by both Brian's band and Mike's band.  could those shows have been the final peak of high quality/energy Bb related shows?    I suspect so.  still, I eagerly anticipate a few good shows out of the current state of flux.    Hope I can catch just one more wave.    ;)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on May 27, 2014, 09:22:52 PM
I find this fantastic!

The Boys are tight and seem to be having loads of fun actually!

The Brian in-the-studio stuff is priceless. I love when Brian describes "In My Car" as something that evolved very quickly into a great work of art ;)

Damn Brian was a handsome cat!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZylusEw-68



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on May 27, 2014, 09:24:07 PM
I find this fantastic!

The Boys are tight and seem to be having loads of fun actually!

The Brian in-the-studio stuff is priceless. I love when Brian describes "In My Car" as something that evolved very quickly into a great work of art ;)

Damn Brian was a handsome cat!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZylusEw-68




Oops! I posted this in the wrong thread!!!

Actually, not completely! Odd seeing Foskett in strict "backing guy" mode. (aside from an exception or two)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Emdeeh on May 28, 2014, 06:00:07 AM
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/weekender/2014/05/beach-boys-to-return-in-october/

Note whose photo the article uses... The photo could be from C50, but that looks like the BW band in the background.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cyncie on May 28, 2014, 07:02:05 AM
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/weekender/2014/05/beach-boys-to-return-in-october/

Note whose photo the article uses... The photo could be from C50, but that looks like the BW band in the background.


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Anyway … the touring version of the band (which does not include the legendary Brian Wilson) will feature guitarist Jeffrey Foskett (right), who, according to a news release,  is being introduced as the band’s newest permanent member, despite having only played with them since 1981.


LOL at this.  Not quite accurate, but still pretty funny.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 28, 2014, 07:09:38 AM
I wonder if Jeff will join M&B and Stamos in the partying ways. >:D


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 28, 2014, 08:32:24 AM
On the one hand, Al being on Brian’s new album, recording with him in the last month or so, and his son joining Brian’s band, coupled with Al having played with Brian last year, would seem to point to a strong possibility of Al at least playing with Brian again this year.

Why ? You might just as well say both Alan's sons singing in California Saga indicate he'd play with them at some stage... or that Alan & David playing with Mike twice this year means they will again this summer. My guess is that the latter is far more likely than Alan joining Brian on tour.

Al toured with Brian last year, playing at nearly every Brian gig.  Al is on Brian's new album most likely, and was recently recording with him. Brian will most likely be promoting that album while touring. Al's son, a regular collaborator of Al's, is now in Brian's band. My only suggestion is that that data suggests it's not bats--- insane to say that points to a possibility of Al playing more gigs with Brian. That's all.  Al playing all last year with Brian and currently recording with him is a bit more than one gig with Mike. Now, I'd probably lean towards Al not appearing on Brian's tour, and I laid some evidence for and against these possibilities in my post (only the "on the one hand" portion regarding things indicating Al playing with Brian was excerpted above). My gut feeling is that Al may well not appear on tour with Brian this year. (I'll outline these reasons below). But it's just being obviously argumentative to ask "why?" in light of these layers of indicators of the *possibility* of Al working more with Brian.

The "trend" this year is towards Al not working with Brian (live, anyway), although this is based on the small amount of evidence consist of: not playing two gigs with Brian, playing one gig with Mike, and just a general lack of information. The fact that Al hasn't blabbed in some interview about Brian tour dates is actually something that weighs more heavily in my mind towards him not playing this year with Brian. That, as well as Brian possibly booking modest size venues, are two indicators. I don't weight Al recording with Brian too heavily towards them touring together, because comments from Al as well as Jeff Beck (and Matt Jardine) seem to indicate Brian calls these guys in to record stuff but doesn't tell them anything about the actual plans for the album. Both Al and Jeff Beck have mentioned variations on "I have no idea what's going on with the album."

Of course, if there's a bunch of "inside info" we don't know about, that's another story of course. Now, some of those inside stories also alleged Mike didn't have a fantastic time working with Al on C50, and now he's playing a gig with him and possibility collaborating.

The general trend seems to be that things can be fluid, and unpredictable. The strongest piece of evidence, actually, that Al won't work with Brian on tour this year is that it makes too much sense for him to. When it all converges, with Al having appeared on Brian's album, being ready to go and lacking much else to do apparently, and now with Matt in the band, it would make *total* sense for Al to jump on board. That's why I could easily see the Brian camp having some other crazy idea. Keep Brian solo, he's promoting his movie, etc. Hopefully Al will at least lobby to get the "Al" character more lines in the new Brian movie than "Al" had in "Summer Dreams" from 1990.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Smilin Ed H on May 28, 2014, 08:46:57 AM
Hope Jeff doesn't try the Scott Totten move on some young chick!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: startBBtoday on May 28, 2014, 04:01:14 PM
Is Darian definitely still playing with Brian in 2014? His Facebook lists 1999-2013 with Brian Wilson's Band.

https://www.facebook.com/darian.sahanaja/about

Is it at all possible that Brian is wrapping up his touring career?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 28, 2014, 04:37:42 PM
It will be interesting to see who will be in Brian's band for the summer dates.  Though perhaps not conclusive, since it's only two dates. Also, didn't Brian's buddy Ray say that Darian is working on the biopic soundtrack? That might keep him in the states. Brian may not know yet who's in his touring band for later in the year, except for Matt Jardine.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 28, 2014, 05:02:05 PM
My only hope is that Brian is ok. If he is retiring from the road then more power to him, but is his health dictating this? I'm a bit concerned about some of the comments. AGD saying he would be "astonished" if there was any kind of Brian/ Beach Boys recording project in the future does sound very worrying, and not in a personality conflict way.

Hope I am very wrong here.  


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: the professor on May 28, 2014, 07:18:36 PM
I know a band that could use BW, if only his "management" would let him play with them.



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 28, 2014, 08:54:05 PM
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s Darian definitely still playing with Brian in 2014? His Facebook lists 1999-2013 with Brian Wilson's Band.

https://www.facebook.com/darian.sahanaja/about

Is it at all possible that Brian is wrapping up his touring career?

Did not know that. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if he is either wrapping up touring, or touring with a smaller setup.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Niko on May 28, 2014, 09:45:32 PM
I don't think Brian would tour with a smaller setup. It's always seemed to me like the big ensemble of musicians is comforting to him.

BW deciding not to tour anymore makes sense as an explanation for the employment thing. If that's the case I'm sure he'll keep doing some shows, but not enough for the band to consider themselves 'employed' by Brian.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 29, 2014, 06:37:21 AM
I don't think Brian would tour with a smaller setup. It's always seemed to me like the big ensemble of musicians is comforting to him.

BW deciding not to tour anymore makes sense as an explanation for the employment thing. If that's the case I'm sure he'll keep doing some shows, but not enough for the band to consider themselves 'employed' by Brian.

Didn’t Brian do a small tour several years back (around 2006 or so perhaps?) with a scaled-back band? He’s certainly open to it; I would imagine it would just depend on what type of material he’s performing. If he’s doing PS or Smile, he would need a bigger band of course.

As for Brian "retiring" from the road, let me first say that I’m not some fanboy living in denial refusing to admit Brian’s age. He’s aging at a seemingly more rapid pace from year to year. I could easily see him scaling back from touring or retiring.

But even setting aside the notion that if he were retiring from the road they would probably do a big announcement and try to make his “final” shows a big to-do, I’m still kind of confused as to why anyone would assume he’s 100% done touring. He has two European shows booked, two US shows (which seem quite likely to just be two shows among some sort of US tour that otherwise hasn’t been finalized or announced yet), and made mention in his statement a bit back that he “asked Matt Jardine to tour with” his band. If Brian was near retiring and/or just playing a half dozen gigs and then retiring, I would tend to doubt he’d bother making a big deal about asking someone to “to tour with his band”, rather than just asking someone to sit in on a few shows to round out his touring days.

As for Darian possibly being done with Brian’s band, I suppose that’s possible. But Brian also mentioned in the blurb talking about Foskett and Matt Jardine that Matt was “busy working with Paul and Darian.” So it seems Darian is still working with Brian in some capacity. We obviously don’t know if this case of being “busy working” entails studio work or rehearsals/tryouts for live gigs (we know Matt did a bit of studio work awhile back for Brian; so he could be doing more), but this statement certainly implied to me that Paul and Darian are acting as defacto musical directors/band leaders, whatever you want to call them.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Awesoman on May 29, 2014, 07:00:58 AM
Is Darian definitely still playing with Brian in 2014? His Facebook lists 1999-2013 with Brian Wilson's Band.

https://www.facebook.com/darian.sahanaja/about

Is it at all possible that Brian is wrapping up his touring career?

Something definitely seems to be up if Brian's band mates are jumping ship.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 29, 2014, 08:23:31 AM
Facebook is partly a way to network for jobs. If he's not doing anything right now, he might want prospective employers to know he's not on tour with Brian Wilson. That doesn't mean that Brian can't or won't call him back for the fall tour.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 29, 2014, 08:56:02 AM
Is Darian definitely still playing with Brian in 2014? His Facebook lists 1999-2013 with Brian Wilson's Band.

https://www.facebook.com/darian.sahanaja/about

Is it at all possible that Brian is wrapping up his touring career?

Something definitely seems to be up if Brian's band mates are jumping ship.

Brian mentioned in his recent "Foskett Statement" that Matt Jardine was busy working with "Paul and Darian." I suppose it's possible Darian is working the studio with Brian but will not be touring (I'd still say that's more likely not the case, but who knows?). Either way, I don't think Darian has jumped ship if he's busy working with Paul and Matt.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 29, 2014, 08:59:03 AM
Facebook is partly a way to network for jobs. If he's not doing anything right now, he might want prospective employers to know he's not on tour with Brian Wilson. That doesn't mean that Brian can't or won't call him back for the fall tour.

Also, I'm not sure fixating on the "2013" notation on Darian's page is advisable. Maybe he just last updated that blurb last year, and instead of saying "1999-Present", he simply put the current year. These guys, even when active on these pages, don't always update everything.

I realize websites are much more static and passé these days, but here's a bit of what the front page on Foskett's "New Surf" website shows:

"Jeffrey is also working on several other projects including Brian Wilson's "Lucky Old Sun" this year." 

:lol

 


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cam Mott on May 29, 2014, 09:52:25 AM
Somebody could just ask him.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: startBBtoday on May 29, 2014, 11:47:47 AM
Is Darian definitely still playing with Brian in 2014? His Facebook lists 1999-2013 with Brian Wilson's Band.

https://www.facebook.com/darian.sahanaja/about

Is it at all possible that Brian is wrapping up his touring career?

Something definitely seems to be up if Brian's band mates are jumping ship.

Brian mentioned in his recent "Foskett Statement" that Matt Jardine was busy working with "Paul and Darian." I suppose it's possible Darian is working the studio with Brian but will not be touring (I'd still say that's more likely not the case, but who knows?). Either way, I don't think Darian has jumped ship if he's busy working with Paul and Matt.

Even if Darian hasn't "jumped ship," it's certainly notable that Jeff did (to get back on topic and all). There must be a pretty good reason that Jeff left for the "enemy" after all these years, and based on AGD's posts, it doesn't seem to be because the Beach Boys are turning into one big happy family once again.

Personally, while I'd love to see new music from The Beach Boys, it's not reasonable to think it's going to happen again. We're extremely lucky we got the 2012 album.

I also don't mind seeing The Beach Boys without Brian. I bought tickets for one of the band's New England shows once I found out Jeff joined the group, and I probably would have gone even without him being added to the fray.

The Beach Boys have been touring without Brian Wilson since 1964. I'm crossing my fingers that Al and David hop on for the show I'm going to, but I'll be happy if they're not there, too.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mikie on May 29, 2014, 11:58:44 AM
The Beach Boys have been touring without Brian Wilson since 1964.

That is incorrect.

Plus, listen to the audiences' applause on the recent live disc and tell me who gets the biggest ovation during the introductions of the band.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 29, 2014, 12:46:13 PM
The Beach Boys have been touring without Brian Wilson since 1964.

That is incorrect.

Yep, it`s 1963!  ;)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: send me a picture and i'll tell you on May 29, 2014, 12:47:29 PM
Re this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Ndp9xItZg&list=UUYSLKpmPGeiyCI_qmtm8LtA&index=1

Great mix, free of board echo. Mike's backing vocals are nice and prominent in the mix.

The Beach Boys, in their usual non-C50 state, are a cooler, leaner, more straight-tone blend. On In My Room, Mike and Jeff really blended well (sep. In My Room), and anchor the harmonies. Now that Jeff's voice is all over TWGMTR and everything in the C50 tour, his voice adds authenticity and familiarity to the MB band. This is the best I've heard the MB band's vocal blend sound. Never thought I'd say that, but they sound fantastic.

Brian's band has a generally warmer vocal blend, and Brian blends much better with them than he did 10-15 years ago, because of how his voice recovery really took off after 2004. Foskett never really fit the blend at any point, valuable as he's been in many ways. Matt Jardine in Foskett's place will be the icing on the cake.  

I really think this fixes the vocal shortcomings of both bands. And personally, I would now actively seek out tickets to MB, rather than being relatively ambivalent.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cabinessenceking on May 29, 2014, 12:49:59 PM
The Beach Boys have been touring without Brian Wilson since 1964.

That is incorrect.

Plus, listen to the audiences' applause on the recent live disc and tell me who gets the biggest ovation during the introductions of the band.

he was the name, but after 1964 never the voice of the beach boys.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on May 29, 2014, 01:44:01 PM
So what will Brian's band be for his few shows?
I guess it would be:
Matt Jardine - Guitar, Vocals
Scott Bennett - Keyboard, Vocals
Paul Mertens - Saxophone, Musical Director
Mike D'Amico - Drums
Nick Walusko - Lead Guitar
Bob Lizik - Bass
Nelson Bragg - Percussion, Backing Vocals
Probyn Gregory - Guitar, Horns, Backing Vocals
Possibly Darian?  Either way, that's still a pretty great band.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mayoman on May 29, 2014, 01:45:50 PM
Re this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Ndp9xItZg&list=UUYSLKpmPGeiyCI_qmtm8LtA&index=1

Great mix, free of board echo. Mike's backing vocals are nice and prominent in the mix.

The Beach Boys, in their usual non-C50 state, are a cooler, leaner, more straight-tone blend. On In My Room, Mike and Jeff really blended well (sep. In My Room), and anchor the harmonies. Now that Jeff's voice is all over TWGMTR and everything in the C50 tour, his voice adds authenticity and familiarity to the MB band. This is the best I've heard the MB band's vocal blend sound. Never thought I'd say that, but they sound fantastic.

Brian's band has a generally warmer vocal blend, and Brian blends much better with them than he did 10-15 years ago, because of how his voice recovery really took off after 2004. Foskett never really fit the blend at any point, valuable as he's been in many ways. Matt Jardine in Foskett's place will be the icing on the cake.  

I really think this fixes the vocal shortcomings of both bands. And personally, I would now actively seek out tickets to MB, rather than being relatively ambivalent.

Interesting that Scott has the lead on "Sloop". Bruce did it when I saw them earlier this year. They must have shuffled the vocal blend for Jeff. Also they sang "break up" like the earlier versions of "Sloop" at one point.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: southbay on May 29, 2014, 01:54:00 PM
So what will Brian's band be for his few shows?
I guess it would be:
Matt Jardine - Guitar, Vocals
Scott Bennett - Keyboard, Vocals
Mike D'Amico - Drums
Nick Walusko - Lead Guitar
Bob Lizik - Bass
Nelson Bragg - Percussion
Possibly Darian?  Either way, that's still a pretty great band.

Matt doesn't play guitar that I know of, at least professionally.  He has always been on percussion, whether it be with the Beach Boys, Al's band or with Wilson Phillips


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Autotune on May 29, 2014, 02:23:22 PM
After listening to some of the clips of recent shows, I must say that Jeff is a very welcome addition to the BBs band. They do sound great. Who could imagine in 1997 this touring band would keep evolving for nearly 20 years!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: drbeachboy on May 29, 2014, 05:12:46 PM
So what will Brian's band be for his few shows?
I guess it would be:
Matt Jardine - Guitar, Vocals
Scott Bennett - Keyboard, Vocals
Mike D'Amico - Drums
Nick Walusko - Lead Guitar
Bob Lizik - Bass
Nelson Bragg - Percussion
Possibly Darian?  Either way, that's still a pretty great band.

Matt doesn't play guitar that I know of, at least professionally.  He has always been on percussion, whether it be with the Beach Boys, Al's band or with Wilson Phillips
I saw a Wilson Phillips show on TV last year and I thought I saw Matt playing keyboards.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: startBBtoday on May 29, 2014, 07:22:50 PM
The Beach Boys have been touring without Brian Wilson since 1964.

That is incorrect.

Plus, listen to the audiences' applause on the recent live disc and tell me who gets the biggest ovation during the introductions of the band.

The Beach Boys have played a helluva lot more shows without Brian from 1964 (or 1963) to today than with him. So, while it's also correct that The Beach Boys have toured with Brian since 1964, it's not incorrect that they've toured without him.

And duh, the audience loves Brian for many, many, many reasons. Why is that significant or applicable to my post?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 29, 2014, 07:42:17 PM
So what will Brian's band be for his few shows?
I guess it would be:
Matt Jardine - Guitar, Vocals
Scott Bennett - Keyboard, Vocals
Mike D'Amico - Drums
Nick Walusko - Lead Guitar
Bob Lizik - Bass
Nelson Bragg - Percussion
Possibly Darian?  Either way, that's still a pretty great band.

Matt doesn't play guitar that I know of, at least professionally.  He has always been on percussion, whether it be with the Beach Boys, Al's band or with Wilson Phillips
I saw a Wilson Phillips show on TV last year and I thought I saw Matt playing keyboards.

This maybe but not keyboards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YdkQWN59HY


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mikie on May 29, 2014, 07:45:44 PM
The Beach Boys have been touring without Brian Wilson since 1964.

That is incorrect.

Plus, listen to the audiences' applause on the recent live disc and tell me who gets the biggest ovation during the introductions of the band.

The Beach Boys have played a helluva lot more shows without Brian from 1964 (or 1963) to today than with him. So, while it's also correct that The Beach Boys have toured with Brian since 1964, it's not incorrect that they've toured without him.

And duh, the audience loves Brian for many, many, many reasons. Why is that significant or applicable to my post?

You make contradictory statements:

"We're extremely lucky we got the 2012 album."

Yet you say that you don't mind seeing The Beach Boys without Brian, and you're "crossing your fingers that Al and Dave will be there, but will be happy if they're not there too." You "bought tickets once you found out Jeff was joining the band, but you would have gone to the concert anyway without him being there." So you're perfectly happy if you just see Mike and Bruce, the only original Beach Boys on stage? Did you see the Beach Boys reunion tour a couple of years ago to see the difference? Just askin' - don't get upset.

"The Beach Boys have been touring without Brian Wilson since 1964." You make it sound like Brian hasn't toured with the band since 1964, which he has. If you were writing an article about the history of the band, and the reader knew nothing about The Beach Boys, they would think that the band hasn't toured with Brian on stage since 1964.

Duh, eh?  Duuuuhhhh!   ;D


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: startBBtoday on May 29, 2014, 08:01:35 PM
The Beach Boys have been touring without Brian Wilson since 1964.

That is incorrect.

Plus, listen to the audiences' applause on the recent live disc and tell me who gets the biggest ovation during the introductions of the band.

The Beach Boys have played a helluva lot more shows without Brian from 1964 (or 1963) to today than with him. So, while it's also correct that The Beach Boys have toured with Brian since 1964, it's not incorrect that they've toured without him.

And duh, the audience loves Brian for many, many, many reasons. Why is that significant or applicable to my post?

You make contradictory statements:

"We're extremely lucky we got the 2012 album."

Yet you say that you don't mind seeing The Beach Boys without Brian, and you're "crossing your fingers that Al, and Dave will be there, but will be happy if they're not there too". You "bought tickets once you found out Jeff was joining the band, but you would have gone to the concert anyway without him being there." So you're perfectly happy if you just see Mike and Bruce, the only original Beach Boys on stage? Did you see the Beach Boys reunion tour a couple of years ago to see the difference? Just askin' - don't get upset.

Yeah. I was happy seeing Mike and Bruce last summer. And I was happy to see the C50 tour in 2012. I'd like to see as many Beach Boys as possible at once, but that's obviously not going to happen every summer, and I'm not going to cry if I have to see them in separate camps, or if I can only see two "original" Beach Boys at once. I love the Beach Boys. All of them. And I feel lucky to still get to see them perform in 2014. It's weird that you care so much about how I like seeing The Beach Boys live.

(The way you worded "original Beach Boys" could confuse people into thinking Bruce was a founding member, by the way.  ;D)

"The Beach Boys have been touring without Brian Wilson since 1964." You make it sound like Brian hasn't toured with the band since 1964, which he has. If you were writing an article about the history of the band, and the reader knew nothing about The Beach Boys, they would think that the band hasn't toured with Brian on stage since 1964.

Duh, eh?  Duuuuhhhh!   ;D

You chose to read it that way. The statement "The Beach Boys have been touring without Brian Wilson since 1964 is a true one, and it's also one that no one on this board would be confused about. I guess it's a good thing I'm not writing an article about the history of the band that people who know nothing about The Beach Boys are reading.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Mikie on May 29, 2014, 08:14:49 PM
It's weird that you care so much about how I like seeing The Beach Boys live.

Nope, no weirdness at all. I really don't give a rat's posterior if you like the Beach Boys live, or in what configuration. Just addressing inconsistencies in your statements, that's all.

You chose to read it that way. The statement "The Beach Boys have been touring without Brian Wilson since 1964 is a true one, and it's also one that no one on this board would be confused about.

I was confused. I read that at its face value. It could easily be misconstrued. If I didn't know anything about the band before and read that, I'd think that Brian hasn't joined the band since 1964. And with the moniker "startBBtoday", I thought maybe you were a new fan who just got into the band.....  


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: 18thofMay on May 29, 2014, 09:57:32 PM
So what will Brian's band be for his few shows?
I guess it would be:
Matt Jardine - Guitar, Vocals
Scott Bennett - Keyboard, Vocals
Mike D'Amico - Drums
Nick Walusko - Lead Guitar
Bob Lizik - Bass
Nelson Bragg - Percussion
Possibly Darian?  Either way, that's still a pretty great band.
Plus Probyn


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: metal flake paint on May 29, 2014, 10:20:46 PM
So what will Brian's band be for his few shows?
I guess it would be:
Matt Jardine - Guitar, Vocals
Scott Bennett - Keyboard, Vocals
Mike D'Amico - Drums
Nick Walusko - Lead Guitar
Bob Lizik - Bass
Nelson Bragg - Percussion
Possibly Darian?  Either way, that's still a pretty great band.

Matt doesn't play guitar that I know of, at least professionally.  He has always been on percussion, whether it be with the Beach Boys, Al's band or with Wilson Phillips

Matt is credited with having played electric, bass, and acoustic guitars, and a Boss DR-770 on a self-composed track called "Faded" featured on ESQ's exclusive Carl Wilson tribute CD from 2006.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on May 30, 2014, 12:08:07 AM
So what will Brian's band be for his few shows?
I guess it would be:
Matt Jardine - Guitar, Vocals
Scott Bennett - Keyboard, Vocals
Mike D'Amico - Drums
Nick Walusko - Lead Guitar
Bob Lizik - Bass
Nelson Bragg - Percussion
Possibly Darian?  Either way, that's still a pretty great band.
Plus Probyn

Ah right, he would be the other guitarist, not Matt.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ToneBender631 on May 30, 2014, 03:09:32 AM
Re this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Ndp9xItZg&list=UUYSLKpmPGeiyCI_qmtm8LtA&index=1

Great mix, free of board echo. Mike's backing vocals are nice and prominent in the mix.

The Beach Boys, in their usual non-C50 state, are a cooler, leaner, more straight-tone blend. On In My Room, Mike and Jeff really blended well (sep. In My Room), and anchor the harmonies. Now that Jeff's voice is all over TWGMTR and everything in the C50 tour, his voice adds authenticity and familiarity to the MB band. This is the best I've heard the MB band's vocal blend sound. Never thought I'd say that, but they sound fantastic.

Brian's band has a generally warmer vocal blend, and Brian blends much better with them than he did 10-15 years ago, because of how his voice recovery really took off after 2004. Foskett never really fit the blend at any point, valuable as he's been in many ways. Matt Jardine in Foskett's place will be the icing on the cake.  

I really think this fixes the vocal shortcomings of both bands. And personally, I would now actively seek out tickets to MB, rather than being relatively ambivalent.

While I heartily agree with how nicely Jeff's voice slots into the vocal stack with M&B, I have to say, Mike's vocals are really sounding a bit thinner than I remember over the past few years. Granted this is an isolated show, filmed from the audience...


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Autotune on May 30, 2014, 03:47:24 AM
Yeah, but then he's sounded thinner in 1988. And then not. It varies, it seems. And, for whatever reason, his sound has improved in the last 5-7 years.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ToneBender631 on May 30, 2014, 03:51:10 AM
Yeah, but then he's sounded thinner in 1988. And then not. It varies, it seems. And, for whatever reason, his sound has improved in the last 5-7 years.

Could be the monitoring situation, humidity, all sorts of stuff. For whatever reason, these videos really struck me more than others have for some reason.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 30, 2014, 06:47:12 AM
Howie Edelson pointed out in the post in the aftermath of C50 something that seems so simple that I hadn’t thought about as much as I probably should have. Mike’s voice could well be strained, and exponentially so as he gets older, due to playing so many shows every year. As a fan and not a professional musician or singer, it’s easy for someone like myself to just think of the immediate effects of singing too much, as in blowing your voice out playing a particular show for too long. But there can also be a cumulative effect over the course of a tour, or even over years or decades, when you never take a significant break.

By most accounts, the 73 or so shows for C50 in 2012 was a “light” year for Mike in terms of touring. Granted, either at C50 or at his own shows, he hands over an hour or so of the show to other guys singing lead. But he must still be singing for an hour or more at many shows. Doing that 100 times per year give or take, even if your particular lead vocals aren’t seven-octave intricate numbers, can be a big strain. He clearly bounces back enough from show to show to continue. But I would imagine if he did even 50 shows, and perhaps did those 50 every other year or every three years, his voice could well be in better shape.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 30, 2014, 07:34:11 AM
Howie Edelson pointed out in the post in the aftermath of C50 something that seems so simple that I hadn’t thought about as much as I probably should have. Mike’s voice could well be strained, and exponentially so as he gets older, due to playing so many shows every year. As a fan and not a professional musician or singer, it’s easy for someone like myself to just think of the immediate effects of singing too much, as in blowing your voice out playing a particular show for too long. But there can also be a cumulative effect over the course of a tour, or even over years or decades, when you never take a significant break.

By most accounts, the 73 or so shows for C50 in 2012 was a “light” year for Mike in terms of touring. Granted, either at C50 or at his own shows, he hands over an hour or so of the show to other guys singing lead. But he must still be singing for an hour or more at many shows. Doing that 100 times per year give or take, even if your particular lead vocals aren’t seven-octave intricate numbers, can be a big strain. He clearly bounces back enough from show to show to continue. But I would imagine if he did even 50 shows, and perhaps did those 50 every other year or every three years, his voice could well be in better shape.


There`s one small drawback to this theory...

Mike sounded worse back in the 1980s than he does now! As it is, he is 73 and sounds as good as can reasonably be expected.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: drbeachboy on May 30, 2014, 08:16:40 AM
So what will Brian's band be for his few shows?
I guess it would be:
Matt Jardine - Guitar, Vocals
Scott Bennett - Keyboard, Vocals
Mike D'Amico - Drums
Nick Walusko - Lead Guitar
Bob Lizik - Bass
Nelson Bragg - Percussion
Possibly Darian?  Either way, that's still a pretty great band.

Matt doesn't play guitar that I know of, at least professionally.  He has always been on percussion, whether it be with the Beach Boys, Al's band or with Wilson Phillips
I saw a Wilson Phillips show on TV last year and I thought I saw Matt playing keyboards.

This maybe but not keyboards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YdkQWN59HY
He is definitely the percussionist here in this video. The one I am thinking of was maybe on Good Morning America? What I remember is that Matt is stage right and right up front with the girls (near Carnie). She also introduces him to the audience, as well.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Jim V. on May 30, 2014, 09:43:36 AM
Ugh. As excited as I was about Matt joining Brian's band, I did forget that he's the guy that stands there and hits bongos. Yuck. I sure hope that's not the look in Brian's band. Honestly, it doesn't seem like it'd really fit.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 30, 2014, 10:34:20 AM
Ugh. As excited as I was about Matt joining Brian's band, I did forget that he's the guy that stands there and hits bongos. Yuck. I sure hope that's not the look in Brian's band. Honestly, it doesn't seem like it'd really fit.

Flexibility. Now they can change "Barbara Ann" to "Babalu".

Ba-ba-lu! Ba-ba-lu! Ba-ba-lu-iay!


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 30, 2014, 10:56:53 AM
Howie Edelson pointed out in the post in the aftermath of C50 something that seems so simple that I hadn’t thought about as much as I probably should have. Mike’s voice could well be strained, and exponentially so as he gets older, due to playing so many shows every year. As a fan and not a professional musician or singer, it’s easy for someone like myself to just think of the immediate effects of singing too much, as in blowing your voice out playing a particular show for too long. But there can also be a cumulative effect over the course of a tour, or even over years or decades, when you never take a significant break.

By most accounts, the 73 or so shows for C50 in 2012 was a “light” year for Mike in terms of touring. Granted, either at C50 or at his own shows, he hands over an hour or so of the show to other guys singing lead. But he must still be singing for an hour or more at many shows. Doing that 100 times per year give or take, even if your particular lead vocals aren’t seven-octave intricate numbers, can be a big strain. He clearly bounces back enough from show to show to continue. But I would imagine if he did even 50 shows, and perhaps did those 50 every other year or every three years, his voice could well be in better shape.


There`s one small drawback to this theory...

Mike sounded worse back in the 1980s than he does now! As it is, he is 73 and sounds as good as can reasonably be expected.

I'm not sure he sounds better. A bit like Brian, he's less whiney/nasaly compared to the 80s. But there's a rasp there that *could* be from performing too much. Age is a factor without question, but I think Mike would sound better by staying active and keeping his voice in "tour shape", but doing less shows.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 30, 2014, 03:06:27 PM
I've often felt Mike's vocals are pretty thin at the start of a summer compared to later in the year. Not unlike an athlete who gets fitter as a season progresses.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: tpesky on May 30, 2014, 06:10:33 PM
Does Randall have any more leads or falsettos in the show anymore? It seems they gave all of his parts to Jeff.  If Sloop John B isn't crying out for an Al Jardine lead, then I don't know what it is.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: RubberSoul13 on May 30, 2014, 10:00:07 PM
Listened to the clip above, now I know this is the first time out with the "new" arrangements however...

Sloop John B
Vocals were extremely sloppy in the first minute. No one cut off together, not once. I couldn't tell who was off pitch, it sounds like Scott has the lead with Bruce on harmony now? Something wasn't right. Foskett watching the screen with his back to the crowd was distracting too. Maybe he was wondering why the publicity shot they used doesn't have him in it! Mike sounds more nasal than ever, not liking it. At one point Bruce says "Please sing this with us!" and man, did they need the help!

Wouldn't it Be Nice
Foskett sounds great on that lead, he kinda botched it on the Beck/Wilson tour last year. Al better get it at Jones Beach though, along with Sloop John B. Mike still sounds nasal as hell.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 30, 2014, 11:59:45 PM
Man, Mike Love just can't get  a break. He gets  a well deserved award, brings in JF, makes happy with Al and David (even playing a gig(s), and Rolling Stone puts this up today:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/son-of-a-beach-peter-matthew-bauer-on-kevin-loves-kokomo-problem-20140530

I am no ML lover but this really is OLD news.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on May 31, 2014, 12:31:01 AM
Man, Mike Love just can't get  a break. He gets  a well deserved award, brings in JF, makes happy with Al and David (even playing a gig(s), and Rolling Stone puts this up today:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/son-of-a-beach-peter-matthew-bauer-on-kevin-loves-kokomo-problem-20140530

I am no ML lover but this really is OLD news.

Well at least Mike Love can take solace in the fact that this BB fan stopped paying attention to the NBA a few years after the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird era, so I don't know what the hell this writer is taking about. And those old Mike quotes are hilarious. Those are the fun quotes. If Mike always gave interviews that read like that, that would be awesome.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 31, 2014, 12:39:47 AM
Man, Mike Love just can't get  a break. He gets  a well deserved award, brings in JF, makes happy with Al and David (even playing a gig(s), and Rolling Stone puts this up today:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/son-of-a-beach-peter-matthew-bauer-on-kevin-loves-kokomo-problem-20140530

I am no ML lover but this really is OLD news.

Well at least Mike Love can take solace in the fact that this BB fan stopped paying attention to the NBA a few years after the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird era, so I don't know what the hell this writer is taking about. And those old Mike quotes are hilarious. Those are the fun quotes. If Mike always gave interviews that read like that, that would be awesome.
"It was only recently brought to my attention that Kevin is, in fact, the nephew of #1 rock & roll villain Mike Love of the Beach Boys!"


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: the captain on May 31, 2014, 06:50:28 AM
Man, Mike Love just can't get  a break. He gets  a well deserved award, brings in JF, makes happy with Al and David (even playing a gig(s), and Rolling Stone puts this up today:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/son-of-a-beach-peter-matthew-bauer-on-kevin-loves-kokomo-problem-20140530

I am no ML lover but this really is OLD news.

Well at least Mike Love can take solace in the fact that this BB fan stopped paying attention to the NBA a few years after the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird era, so I don't know what the hell this writer is taking about. 

You may want to give it another try. While there were some ugly years from the mid 90s through the mid 00s, it's a fantastic league again. This from the guy whose team is most likely about to trade Mike Love's nephew within the next month.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Shady on May 31, 2014, 08:30:23 AM
Man, Mike Love just can't get  a break. He gets  a well deserved award, brings in JF, makes happy with Al and David (even playing a gig(s), and Rolling Stone puts this up today:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/son-of-a-beach-peter-matthew-bauer-on-kevin-loves-kokomo-problem-20140530

I am no ML lover but this really is OLD news.


Well at least Mike Love can take solace in the fact that this BB fan stopped paying attention to the NBA a few years after the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird era, so I don't know what the hell this writer is taking about. And those old Mike quotes are hilarious. Those are the fun quotes. If Mike always gave interviews that read like that, that would be awesome.
"It was only recently brought to my attention that Kevin is, in fact, the nephew of #1 rock & roll villain Mike Love of the Beach Boys!"

Well he is rocks number 1 villain


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Dancing Bear on May 31, 2014, 08:41:22 AM
....


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 31, 2014, 10:56:41 AM
Here we go again. Mike is only rock's #1 villain to the cult of Brian Wilson. For everyone else, they either don't care, don't know much about him, or think of him as that jerky guy who gave the Rock HOF speech and does that corny stage schtick. How can he be the #1 rock villain in a profession where there are more controversial and widely known figures?   

I'm not sure why Rolling Stone mag gave that guy a platform as basketball writer. He's not writing about basketball. It's gratuitous Mike bashing where it doesn't belong. Kevin Love is his own guy. Also, since when is demanding a trade exactly an uncommon behavior in professional sports? I don't think Kevin deserves a public bullying for the alleged sins of his uncle, delivered by a writer that doesn't display much knowledge of sports, in spite of being given a job of sportswriter.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 31, 2014, 12:05:43 PM
Man, Mike Love just can't get  a break. He gets  a well deserved award, brings in JF, makes happy with Al and David (even playing a gig(s), and Rolling Stone puts this up today:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/son-of-a-beach-peter-matthew-bauer-on-kevin-loves-kokomo-problem-20140530

I am no ML lover but this really is OLD news.

Well at least Mike Love can take solace in the fact that this BB fan stopped paying attention to the NBA a few years after the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird era, so I don't know what the hell this writer is taking about. 

You may want to give it another try. While there were some ugly years from the mid 90s through the mid 00s, it's a fantastic league again. This from the guy whose team is most likely about to trade Mike Love's nephew within the next month.
You, as in the writer yeah? I was quoting  the article. The writer really missed an opportunity to make the article "fun, fun, fun".


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Dave in KC on May 31, 2014, 12:08:31 PM
Does Randall have any more leads or falsettos in the show anymore? It seems they gave all of his parts to Jeff.  If Sloop John B isn't crying out for an Al Jardine lead, then I don't know what it is.
Same with WIBN


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Robbie Mac on May 31, 2014, 12:29:11 PM
Here we go again. Mike is only rock's #1 villain to the cult of Brian Wilson.

You either don't real youtube comments or the Cult of Brian is larger than the cult of L. Ron Hubbard.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Dancing Bear on May 31, 2014, 12:54:02 PM
The hatred for Mike unfortunately looms beyond the Cult of Brian Wilson. But I'd say that 90% of those who listened to at least more than one career album by the Beach Boys are ok with Mike.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 31, 2014, 12:55:59 PM
As in, YouTube comments on Beach Boys videos? It's the same people over and over again.  Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys themselves have a world full of people who don't care about them. They're not the Beatles. I don't think Mike Love had as many people hate him as Paul McCartney did in the years following the break up of the Beatles, when John Lennon was the cool one and Paul was that idiot who had his father-in-law suing the group while he was playing silly love songs. I don't believe Mike Love is as universally reviled as Ted Nugent has been for some of his statements. He might be a Top 20 "villain" overall, but #1? Nope.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: JohnMill on May 31, 2014, 02:06:41 PM
As in, YouTube comments on Beach Boys videos? It's the same people over and over again.  Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys themselves have a world full of people who don't care about them. They're not the Beatles. I don't think Mike Love had as many people hate him as Paul McCartney did in the years following the break up of the Beatles, when John Lennon was the cool one and Paul was that idiot who had his father-in-law suing the group while he was playing silly love songs. I don't believe Mike Love is as universally reviled as Ted Nugent has been for some of his statements. He might be a Top 20 "villain" overall, but #1? Nope.

Not too sure you are on the mark there.  The Mike Love hatred extends far more than people realize and a lot of it seems to be sadly based upon ignorance.  For example from what I've seen it's deeply entrenched in The Beatles fanbase as well as a lot of Beatles fans still resent Mike for his HOF comments and whenever anything negative comes out about him in the press, they refer back to that incident.  In a lot of cases from what I've seen when it comes to Mike Love unfortunately many have a "Oh no not him again/What is it this time?" view when it comes to him which is probably why I've heard many fans from different fanbases say "I don't know all that much about The Beach Boys but I know Mike Love is a (insert derogatory term)"

Edit: Just another recollection: Around a year or so ago I was on a MLB forum where people were discussing Brian Wilson (pitcher) and the conversation then suddenly turned to Brian Wilson (Beach Boy).  Suddenly a forum member piped in with some warm words for Brian Wilson (Beach Boy) before putting down Mike Love and referencing the HOF speech. 


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 31, 2014, 03:07:11 PM
Mike brings a lot of the hate on himself with his brash and blunt public persona.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 31, 2014, 03:07:48 PM
It's things like that Rolling Stone article vilifying Kevin Love mainly for being related to Mike Love that remind me that there is an element of Brian Wilson fandom that borders on Kathy Bates in "Misery." What, is that guy in the Brian Wilson Army and thinks he has to defend Brian 24/7, 365 days a year, even when assigned to writing about a completely unrelated topic? I would swear that guy asked for the job of "covering the NBA playoffs" with the express intent of counter-acting the teeny tiny bump of positive publicity Mike got from Rolling Stone basically reprinting a Beach Boy publicist blurb about Foskett rejoining the band and Al/Dave playing one single gig with Mike.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: the captain on May 31, 2014, 03:57:28 PM
Man, Mike Love just can't get  a break. He gets  a well deserved award, brings in JF, makes happy with Al and David (even playing a gig(s), and Rolling Stone puts this up today:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/son-of-a-beach-peter-matthew-bauer-on-kevin-loves-kokomo-problem-20140530

I am no ML lover but this really is OLD news.

Well at least Mike Love can take solace in the fact that this BB fan stopped paying attention to the NBA a few years after the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird era, so I don't know what the hell this writer is taking about. 

You may want to give it another try. While there were some ugly years from the mid 90s through the mid 00s, it's a fantastic league again. This from the guy whose team is most likely about to trade Mike Love's nephew within the next month.
You, as in the writer yeah? I was quoting  the article. The writer really missed an opportunity to make the article "fun, fun, fun".

No. You, as in HeyJude. f*** the writer of the retarded article, which was a waste of everyone's time. I'm just saying that anyone who fell away from the NBA since that Magic-Bird era may want to give it another chance.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Wirestone on May 31, 2014, 05:34:53 PM
Mike has a long and well reported history of saying dumb things and acting like a jerk in very public forums. He has to live with the consequences of his actions and decisions. And no , it's not because of BW fans, most of whom bend over backward to acknowledge Mikes crucial role in the band he cofounded.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 31, 2014, 05:56:00 PM
Mike has a long and well reported history of saying dumb things and acting like a jerk in very public forums. He has to live with the consequences of his actions and decisions. And no , it's not because of BW fans, most of whom bend over backward to acknowledge Mikes crucial role in the band he cofounded.

 :lol

Yeah, they are always gushing in their praise of Mike. I believe that when Ambha Love had to go to school with a security guard because she had received death threats it was due to BW fans and their devout wish that his crucial role in the band should be acknowledged. (oops, I guess I used sarcasm again)

I have to love the fact that any professional writer could use the words: `I'd like to leave you now with a few quotes from Mike Love that I found on the Internet.`

That`s what being a journalist is about in 2014 I guess.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 31, 2014, 06:13:33 PM
To blame BW fans for death threats isn't right IMO.  anybody who threatens BBs family members is a psycho first, BBs fan second.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on May 31, 2014, 06:19:50 PM
In any case, what does Mike Love have to do with Kevin Love? He didn't raise him, Stan did.  And I don't see what's so bad about looking to be traded in the world of professional sports, when he only has one year left on his contract. The Timberwolves will come out ahead if they can get something for him, before he becomes a free agent before the end of next season. I have a hard time believing he only found out about Kevin Love being related to Mike "just recently," too.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 31, 2014, 07:33:50 PM
To blame BW fans for death threats isn't right IMO.  anybody who threatens BBs family members is a psycho first, BBs fan second.

Well obviously not every fan is going to behave like that but unfortunately it wasn`t an entirely isolated incident. I`ve no idea if it still exists but I remember looking at the Mike Love Fan Club board many years ago and seeing death threats towards fans there as well. Not just from one poster either...

The message board on Brian`s website seems to have half-died now but when it was busy I think it`s fair to say that it wasn`t full of people acknowledging Mike`s crucial role in the band. While some of this is undoubtedly down to Mike`s errors, some of it has also been constructed by others and the BW fans have been played over the years. (Not just in their feelings towards Mike but also their feelings towards Al. During the early years of Brian`s solo work I can remember reading the hate towards Al which miraculously disappeared when it was announced that they were going to work together again)

Ironic that this article should appear now (maybe coincidental, maybe not), as Jeff touring with Mike has undoubtedly taken away some of the Mike-haters weaponry.  :)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Kurosawa on May 31, 2014, 10:08:57 PM
Man, Mike Love just can't get  a break. He gets  a well deserved award, brings in JF, makes happy with Al and David (even playing a gig(s), and Rolling Stone puts this up today:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/son-of-a-beach-peter-matthew-bauer-on-kevin-loves-kokomo-problem-20140530

I am no ML lover but this really is OLD news.


Well at least Mike Love can take solace in the fact that this BB fan stopped paying attention to the NBA a few years after the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird era, so I don't know what the hell this writer is taking about. And those old Mike quotes are hilarious. Those are the fun quotes. If Mike always gave interviews that read like that, that would be awesome.
"It was only recently brought to my attention that Kevin is, in fact, the nephew of #1 rock & roll villain Mike Love of the Beach Boys!"

Well he is rocks number 1 villain

Phil Spector killed a woman. Lostprophets singer was a pedophile.  Badfinger's manager drove Pete Ham to suicide. Don Arden sicced his dogs on his pregnant daughter and caused her to have a miscarriage.  Sid Vicious killed his girlfriend. Mike Love is not even the number 1 villain connected to the Beach Boys, that is either Charles Manson or Eugene Landy.

Mike is kinda sorta a dick, but so what?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Ron on May 31, 2014, 10:37:36 PM
Man, Mike Love just can't get  a break. He gets  a well deserved award, brings in JF, makes happy with Al and David (even playing a gig(s), and Rolling Stone puts this up today:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/son-of-a-beach-peter-matthew-bauer-on-kevin-loves-kokomo-problem-20140530

I am no ML lover but this really is OLD news.

Well at least Mike Love can take solace in the fact that this BB fan stopped paying attention to the NBA a few years after the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird era, so I don't know what the hell this writer is taking about. And those old Mike quotes are hilarious. Those are the fun quotes. If Mike always gave interviews that read like that, that would be awesome.


Yeah... I dont' understand it, I guess it takes all types of people to make this big ol' world go around... but in my mind, things like The Bill O'Reilly tirade that he mentioned is one of the only things I've even seen Bill O'Reilly do that I LIKED.... when Mike freaked out at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, that's probably the absolute, hands down best thing I've ever seen Mike Love do.  It's strange to me how that kind of stuff makes some people hate him, it's the exact same reason I LOVE him! 

I always love people like this loser (who I've never heard of, btw... and I've given Mike Love my money... so that tells you who's winning the argument between the two of them)... I love it when people like this read something, then spout it out like it's the gospel.  So Mike is a lousy leader.  Mike's contemporaries have mostly died; literally.  He's been being THE MAN for 50 plus years, certainly that's worth something.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Ron on May 31, 2014, 10:45:38 PM
Man, Mike Love just can't get  a break. He gets  a well deserved award, brings in JF, makes happy with Al and David (even playing a gig(s), and Rolling Stone puts this up today:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/son-of-a-beach-peter-matthew-bauer-on-kevin-loves-kokomo-problem-20140530

I am no ML lover but this really is OLD news.


Well at least Mike Love can take solace in the fact that this BB fan stopped paying attention to the NBA a few years after the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird era, so I don't know what the hell this writer is taking about. And those old Mike quotes are hilarious. Those are the fun quotes. If Mike always gave interviews that read like that, that would be awesome.
"It was only recently brought to my attention that Kevin is, in fact, the nephew of #1 rock & roll villain Mike Love of the Beach Boys!"

Well he is rocks number 1 villain

Phil Spector killed a woman. Lostprophets singer was a pedophile.  Badfinger's manager drove Pete Ham to suicide. Don Arden sicced his dogs on his pregnant daughter and caused her to have a miscarriage.  Sid Vicious killed his girlfriend. Mike Love is not even the number 1 villain connected to the Beach Boys, that is either Charles Manson or Eugene Landy.

Mike is kinda sorta a dick, but so what?


Bigger Villians that immediately spring to mind for me, are people who.. you know.. .actually HARMED somebody, like the ones you mentioned.  Mike ran his mouth a little bit but hasn't hurt anybody who wasn't psychologically fragile to begin with, and even that's overstated.  I mean, how about Ike Turner beating Tina Turner's ass every day for 10 years?  I'm a little pissed about that.

How about Chris Brown beating Rihannas face against a car window for 15 minutes while they drove home from the grammies?  I'm still a little pissed about that.  Or hey, how about Kurt Cobain Cobaining himself and leaving his daughter alone with a psychopath for the next 15 years of her life?  I'm still a little pissed about that, too. 

If somebody wants to tell me that Mike Love hurt Brian's feelings... um....  well.  Who gives a sh*t?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on June 01, 2014, 12:22:36 AM
Here we go again. Mike is only rock's #1 villain to the cult of Brian Wilson. For everyone else, they either don't care, don't know much about him, or think of him as that jerky guy who gave the Rock HOF speech and does that corny stage schtick. How can he be the #1 rock villain in a profession where there are more controversial and widely known figures?   

I'm not sure why Rolling Stone mag gave that guy a platform as basketball writer. He's not writing about basketball. It's gratuitous Mike bashing where it doesn't belong. Kevin Love is his own guy. Also, since when is demanding a trade exactly an uncommon behavior in professional sports? I don't think Kevin deserves a public bullying for the alleged sins of his uncle, delivered by a writer that doesn't display much knowledge of sports, in spite of being given a job of sportswriter.

Or ........ they think he's awesome!




Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on June 01, 2014, 12:25:16 AM
Here we go again. Mike is only rock's #1 villain to the cult of Brian Wilson.

You either don't real youtube comments or the Cult of Brian is larger than the cult of L. Ron Hubbard.


It's knuckle dragger time in basically any YouTube comment section.....


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on June 01, 2014, 12:33:05 AM
Man, Mike Love just can't get  a break. He gets  a well deserved award, brings in JF, makes happy with Al and David (even playing a gig(s), and Rolling Stone puts this up today:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/son-of-a-beach-peter-matthew-bauer-on-kevin-loves-kokomo-problem-20140530

I am no ML lover but this really is OLD news.


Well at least Mike Love can take solace in the fact that this BB fan stopped paying attention to the NBA a few years after the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird era, so I don't know what the hell this writer is taking about. And those old Mike quotes are hilarious. Those are the fun quotes. If Mike always gave interviews that read like that, that would be awesome.
"It was only recently brought to my attention that Kevin is, in fact, the nephew of #1 rock & roll villain Mike Love of the Beach Boys!"

Well he is rocks number 1 villain

Phil Spector killed a woman. Lostprophets singer was a pedophile.  Badfinger's manager drove Pete Ham to suicide. Don Arden sicced his dogs on his pregnant daughter and caused her to have a miscarriage.  Sid Vicious killed his girlfriend. Mike Love is not even the number 1 villain connected to the Beach Boys, that is either Charles Manson or Eugene Landy.

Mike is kinda sorta a dick, but so what?


Bigger Villians that immediately spring to mind for me, are people who.. you know.. .actually HARMED somebody, like the ones you mentioned.  Mike ran his mouth a little bit but hasn't hurt anybody who wasn't psychologically fragile to begin with, and even that's overstated.  I mean, how about Ike Turner beating Tina Turner's ass every day for 10 years?  I'm a little pissed about that.

How about Chris Brown beating Rihannas face against a car window for 15 minutes while they drove home from the grammies?  I'm still a little pissed about that.  Or hey, how about Kurt Cobain Cobaining himself and leaving his daughter alone with a psychopath for the next 15 years of her life?  I'm still a little pissed about that, too. 

If somebody wants to tell me that Mike Love hurt Brian's feelings... um....  well.  Who gives a sh*t?

People will go on for pages and pages and pages of why Mike's a dick because he browbeat Brian into scrapping SMILE or something while Murray actually physically beating Brian up gets hardly a mention into why Brian is damaged.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: ToneBender631 on June 01, 2014, 04:20:08 AM
Man, Mike Love just can't get  a break. He gets  a well deserved award, brings in JF, makes happy with Al and David (even playing a gig(s), and Rolling Stone puts this up today:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/son-of-a-beach-peter-matthew-bauer-on-kevin-loves-kokomo-problem-20140530

I am no ML lover but this really is OLD news.


Well at least Mike Love can take solace in the fact that this BB fan stopped paying attention to the NBA a few years after the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird era, so I don't know what the hell this writer is taking about. And those old Mike quotes are hilarious. Those are the fun quotes. If Mike always gave interviews that read like that, that would be awesome.
"It was only recently brought to my attention that Kevin is, in fact, the nephew of #1 rock & roll villain Mike Love of the Beach Boys!"

Well he is rocks number 1 villain

Phil Spector killed a woman. Lostprophets singer was a pedophile.  Badfinger's manager drove Pete Ham to suicide. Don Arden sicced his dogs on his pregnant daughter and caused her to have a miscarriage.  Sid Vicious killed his girlfriend. Mike Love is not even the number 1 villain connected to the Beach Boys, that is either Charles Manson or Eugene Landy.

Mike is kinda sorta a dick, but so what?


Bigger Villians that immediately spring to mind for me, are people who.. you know.. .actually HARMED somebody, like the ones you mentioned.  Mike ran his mouth a little bit but hasn't hurt anybody who wasn't psychologically fragile to begin with, and even that's overstated.  I mean, how about Ike Turner beating Tina Turner's ass every day for 10 years?  I'm a little pissed about that.

How about Chris Brown beating Rihannas face against a car window for 15 minutes while they drove home from the grammies?  I'm still a little pissed about that.  Or hey, how about Kurt Cobain Cobaining himself and leaving his daughter alone with a psychopath for the next 15 years of her life?  I'm still a little pissed about that, too. 

If somebody wants to tell me that Mike Love hurt Brian's feelings... um....  well.  Who gives a sh*t?

People will go on for pages and pages and pages of why Mike's a dick because he browbeat Brian into scrapping SMILE or something while Murray actually physically beating Brian up gets hardly a mention into why Brian is damaged.

To be fair, Murray doesn't have 50 years worth of film footage on YouTube that people can comment on... :)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on June 01, 2014, 06:33:19 AM
I think the number/percentage of people who dislike Mike Love is small, basically because I think the number of people who actually know who Mike Love is remains small. Or, as Ron pointed out above....many of his contemporaries are dead. Unfortunately, I don't think the Beach Boys ever got to that level where the average music fan knew the members by name. They almost did at the band's peak in the mid-1960's, and again in 1976, but could the casual music fan OR casual Beach Boys' fan say, "Yeah, the lead singer of The Beach Boys is Mike Love..." I believe that Mike Love's familiarity is limited to an image. Mike's image is that guy in the Beach Boys with the baseball cap who (lead) sings kind of nasally. To the casual fan he is the guy who sings most of the hits and who is "out front" during the live shows and is the MC! They like him. He makes the fans laugh with his jokes, he sings "their" favorite songs....he's the one they talk about in the parking lot on their way to their cars after the shows. I don't think they know the inside history or Mike's notoriety. If you showed them a picture of Mike they'd say, "Oh, yeah, I've seen that guy, isn't he in the Beach Boys..." But I'll bet most of them don't know his name.

Serious music fans know Mike and the/his history. At least they know what they read in the magazines, papers, internet, and some books. They might not know some of the TRUTHS that diehards like us have come to realize through message boards like this. They know about the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame speech, but even that is limited to the Rock & Roll Of Fame; I don't think the impact of Mike's speech is felt outside of that niche. It's ancient history that is only occasionally mentioned, again once a year if that.

In some ways, many casual music fans - and/or Beach Boys' fans - don't know the name of Brian Wilson. Did you ever mention Brian's name to a friend or acquaintance and they don't know who he is? Then you go on to mention that he's in the Beach Boys, he's the one with "the problems", the big, overweight one (I'm sorry but how do you describe him), the genius who wrote all the songs. And then they'll say, "Oh, yeah, I know who you mean..." In another thread we were discussing Brian (solo artist) being inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. Not like the other categories such as producer, sideman, or executive, but being inducted as an artist/group, Brian Wilson would be one of the lesser known "names" to the casual fan.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: MaxL on June 01, 2014, 05:10:28 PM
At the risk of going off-topic; who sings lead on "Then I Kissed Her" now then?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on June 01, 2014, 06:06:32 PM
At the risk of going off-topic; who sings lead on "Then I Kissed Her" now then?

That's more like going on topic :)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Gertie J. on June 01, 2014, 06:21:34 PM
*wink wink*


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: HeyJude on June 02, 2014, 06:50:28 AM
Here we go again. Mike is only rock's #1 villain to the cult of Brian Wilson.

This I don’t agree with. Whether Mike can justifiably be called a villain or not, I’ve run into many fans, more of the 60’s/70’s generation to be sure, who don’t know much about the BB’s and are nowhere near a Brian fanatic (or BB fanatic) who have come away with the impression that Mike Love is a villain/d**k, etc., and have done so by seeing his stage persona, interviews, etc.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cyncie on June 02, 2014, 07:16:09 AM
Here we go again. Mike is only rock's #1 villain to the cult of Brian Wilson.

This I don’t agree with. Whether Mike can justifiably be called a villain or not, I’ve run into many fans, more of the 60’s/70’s generation to be sure, who don’t know much about the BB’s and are nowhere near a Brian fanatic (or BB fanatic) who have come away with the impression that Mike Love is a villain/d**k, etc., and have done so by seeing his stage persona, interviews, etc.

I agree. Mike's bad image is Mike's own doing with the assist of the press who enjoy a good controversy. If he wants to shed that image, he needs to get a good PR person and be a bit more gracious in interviews and in public.

I have a friend who was a Beach Boys fan in the general sense. She liked the radio hits, but didn't know anything about the group. We went to some Mike and Bruce shows and she became a Mike fan. She liked his ease on stage and he became her favorite member of the group. Then we went to C50. By that time she had dug into the group a bit more and was thrilled to see Brian onstage. Then came the blow up and the "firing" debacle. She is no longer Mike's fan. She's no Brianista, but she hated the way Mike handled that and her response was "If Brian wants to be in his own band, he should be."

The fact is, Brian engenders a certain empathy with the public that Mike does not. Mike needs to understand that. That doesn't mean he has to cater to Brian's every whim, but being a bit more generous in his public comments would help his case more than repeatedly pointing out that "Brian did drugs and I didn't."


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Cam Mott on June 02, 2014, 07:52:52 AM
Here we go again. Mike is only rock's #1 villain to the cult of Brian Wilson.

This I don’t agree with. Whether Mike can justifiably be called a villain or not, I’ve run into many fans, more of the 60’s/70’s generation to be sure, who don’t know much about the BB’s and are nowhere near a Brian fanatic (or BB fanatic) who have come away with the impression that Mike Love is a villain/d**k, etc., and have done so by seeing his stage persona, interviews, etc.

I agree. Mike's bad image is Mike's own doing with the assist of the press who enjoy a good controversy. If he wants to shed that image, he needs to get a good PR person and be a bit more gracious in interviews and in public.

I have a friend who was a Beach Boys fan in the general sense. She liked the radio hits, but didn't know anything about the group. We went to some Mike and Bruce shows and she became a Mike fan. She liked his ease on stage and he became her favorite member of the group. Then we went to C50. By that time she had dug into the group a bit more and was thrilled to see Brian onstage. Then came the blow up and the "firing" debacle. She is no longer Mike's fan. She's no Brianista, but she hated the way Mike handled that and her response was "If Brian wants to be in his own band, he should be."

The fact is, Brian engenders a certain empathy with the public that Mike does not. Mike needs to understand that. That doesn't mean he has to cater to Brian's every whim, but being a bit more generous in his public comments would help his case more than repeatedly pointing out that "Brian did drugs and I didn't."

I think your friend illustrates the problem, the half/untruth which has passed as history taints peoples' perception of Mike and Brian. So Mike unfairly gets criticism/blame he doesn't deserve and Brian doesn't get criticism/blame he does deserve.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: KittyKat on June 02, 2014, 08:09:52 AM
Here we go again. Mike is only rock's #1 villain to the cult of Brian Wilson.

This I don’t agree with. Whether Mike can justifiably be called a villain or not, I’ve run into many fans, more of the 60’s/70’s generation to be sure, who don’t know much about the BB’s and are nowhere near a Brian fanatic (or BB fanatic) who have come away with the impression that Mike Love is a villain/d**k, etc., and have done so by seeing his stage persona, interviews, etc.

We're talking NUMBER 1 villain in all of rock music.  He's not Number 1 outside of the fan base. He has competitors for Number 1. Maybe he'd make a Top 10 list or Top  20 among people who are familiar with the Beach Boys/Brian saga. Not all rock fans are, especially those who are younger.



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 02, 2014, 09:07:00 AM
Some candidates for the true crown of Rock's #1 Villain:

Jerry Lee Lewis - he shoots his bass players...

Phil Spector - he beat up his wife, terrorized his kids, fired handguns in studios and finally killed someone...

Ike Turner - abused Tina for years...

Bobby Brown - another wife-beater...

Colonel Tom Parker (born Andreis van Kuyjuk) - basically enslaved Elvis at his creative peak...

Eugene Landy - did far more, and lasting, damage to Brian than the 60s drugs ever did...

Murry Wilson - pretty much screwed up two of his three sons, sold Brian's publishing behind his back by forging his signature...

Jimmy Page - satanist (allegedly), enthusiastic practitioner of S&M (demonstrably)...

Ian Watkins - I think we've found our winner: utterly unspeakable piece of rancid sh*t who will hopefully and deservedly die in prison, slowly and painfully.

Alongside these charming men, Mike doesn't even register.



Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 02, 2014, 09:22:14 AM
Add to that list: Gary Glitter and Chris Brown. Well, Brown isn't necessarily "rock" but a guy who beats up a beautiful young woman then goes on a public apology/penance media blitz while promoting the new records he just dropped, brags online about breeding fighting dogs, flaunts the fact that he "got away" light by showing up at and in some cases busting up various nightclubs while downing expensive booze, then all but cries "poor me" when the justice system does finally nail him...and still carries on promoting various sh*t he's involved with as if self-promotion is the main goal above all...he gets my nomination. Glitter is in a class of hell all his own.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on June 02, 2014, 09:44:34 AM
Here we go again. Mike is only rock's #1 villain to the cult of Brian Wilson.

This I don’t agree with. Whether Mike can justifiably be called a villain or not, I’ve run into many fans, more of the 60’s/70’s generation to be sure, who don’t know much about the BB’s and are nowhere near a Brian fanatic (or BB fanatic) who have come away with the impression that Mike Love is a villain/d**k, etc., and have done so by seeing his stage persona, interviews, etc.

We're talking NUMBER 1 villain in all of rock music.  He's not Number 1 outside of the fan base. He has competitors for Number 1. Maybe he'd make a Top 10 list or Top  20 among people who are familiar with the Beach Boys/Brian saga. Not all rock fans are, especially those who are younger.



You can survey a hundred music fans and I would be surprised if more than one would even know who Mike Love is. If all of the music fans surveyed are under age 30 the number is less than one, IMO.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Foster's Freeze on June 02, 2014, 09:52:31 AM
Mike also will FOREVER get heat for going back to the Bruce and Mike show after the success of the 50th tour.  That lineup was what people wanted to see, have waited and wished to see and wanted to continue to see.

I've had the opportunity to shake Mike's hand and that was a thrill but even as a fan, I still cringe at the Rock and Roll HOF speech.  That's one I wish he could take back.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 02, 2014, 10:29:19 AM
Mike also will FOREVER get heat for going back to the Bruce and Mike show after the success of the 50th tour.  That lineup was what people wanted to see, have waited and wished to see and wanted to continue to see.

Even though it was signed, sealed and delivered that 73 shows would be it ? Said this before, bears repeating: if it were Mike saying to Brian "but I wanna DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEE SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWSSSSS !!" the overwhelming response would be "tough sh*t buddy, you agreed". It's not what's being said, more who's saying it.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Foster's Freeze on June 02, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
Mike also will FOREVER get heat for going back to the Bruce and Mike show after the success of the 50th tour.  That lineup was what people wanted to see, have waited and wished to see and wanted to continue to see.

Even though it was signed, sealed and delivered that 73 shows would be it ? Said this before, bears repeating: if it were Mike saying to Brian "but I wanna DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEE SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWSSSSS !!" the overwhelming response would be "tough sh*t buddy, you agreed". It's not what's being said, more who's saying it.

I know that, what I should have said was that Mike was played as the bad guy in the whole situation regardless of what was already set in place.  The uninformed public sees hm as the easy bad guy.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Autotune on June 02, 2014, 11:13:25 AM
You know, Mike's said and done what he's said and done. But in this whole portrayal of him as a villain, I blame the messengers the most. Particularly press articles and certain BB authors who spread the notion since the late 60s that Mike damaged Brian's self-esteem to the point of aborting the Smile album, and being an obstacle in the completion of Pet Sounds. There is absolutely no way to blame Mike on this, yet this is precisely the origin of all backslashing. In a way Mike has been a victim of this too and has dealt with it to the best of his ability: being a gentleman most of the time, and coming up with shocking remarks about his abilities a few times.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: urbanite on June 02, 2014, 12:51:15 PM
I don't believe most of what is said about Mike, but on occasion he does seem to say the wrong thing at the wrong time. 


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: shelter on June 02, 2014, 01:57:53 PM
Colonel Tom Parker (born Andreis van Kuyjuk) - basically enslaved Elvis at his creative peak...

No, his birth name was Andreas "Dries" van Kuijk. He was born in Breda in The Netherlands and forever left the country head over heels one day in 1927, hours after his greengrocer got robbed and killed.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on June 02, 2014, 01:58:29 PM
Some candidates for the true crown of Rock's #1 Villain:

Jerry Lee Lewis - he shoots his bass players...

Phil Spector - he beat up his wife, terrorized his kids, fired handguns in studios and finally killed someone...

Ike Turner - abused Tina for years...

Bobby Brown - another wife-beater...

Colonel Tom Parker (born Andreis van Kuyjuk) - basically enslaved Elvis at his creative peak...

Eugene Landy - did far more, and lasting, damage to Brian than the 60s drugs ever did...

Murry Wilson - pretty much screwed up two of his three sons, sold Brian's publishing behind his back by forging his signature...

Jimmy Page - satanist (allegedly), enthusiastic practitioner of S&M (demonstrably)...

Ian Watkins - I think we've found our winner: utterly unspeakable piece of rancid sh*t who will hopefully and deservedly die in prison, slowly and painfully.

Alongside these charming men, Mike doesn't even register.




Let's not forget that other lovely fellow, and Beach Boys sessioneer who couldn't ever hope to out-evil Mike: Jim Gordon! Didn't Jim kill his wife and his mom with a claw hammer or something like that?


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Foster's Freeze on June 02, 2014, 02:18:21 PM

Let's not forget that other lovely fellow, and Beach Boys sessioneer who couldn't ever hope to out-evil Mike: Jim Gordon! Didn't Jim kill his wife and his mom with a claw hammer or something like that?

His mother as a result of undiagnosed schizophrenia.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 02, 2014, 10:52:37 PM
Colonel Tom Parker (born Andreis van Kuyjuk) - basically enslaved Elvis at his creative peak...

No, his birth name was Andreas "Dries" van Kuijk. He was born in Breda in The Netherlands and forever left the country head over heels one day in 1927, hours after his greengrocer got robbed and killed.

Thanks for the correction.  :)


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: bgas on June 03, 2014, 05:45:12 AM
Here we go again. Mike is only rock's #1 villain to the cult of Brian Wilson.

This I don’t agree with. Whether Mike can justifiably be called a villain or not, I’ve run into many fans, more of the 60’s/70’s generation to be sure, who don’t know much about the BB’s and are nowhere near a Brian fanatic (or BB fanatic) who have come away with the impression that Mike Love is a villain/d**k, etc., and have done so by seeing his stage persona, interviews, etc.

I agree. Mike's bad image is Mike's own doing with the assist of the press who enjoy a good controversy. If he wants to shed that image, he needs to get a good PR person and be a bit more gracious in interviews and in public.

I have a friend who was a Beach Boys fan in the general sense. She liked the radio hits, but didn't know anything about the group. We went to some Mike and Bruce shows and she became a Mike fan. She liked his ease on stage and he became her favorite member of the group. Then we went to C50. By that time she had dug into the group a bit more and was thrilled to see Brian onstage. Then came the blow up and the "firing" debacle. She is no longer Mike's fan. She's no Brianista, but she hated the way Mike handled that and her response was "If Brian wants to be in his own band, he should be."

The fact is, Brian engenders a certain empathy with the public that Mike does not. Mike needs to understand that. That doesn't mean he has to cater to Brian's every whim, but being a bit more generous in his public comments would help his case more than repeatedly pointing out that "Brian did drugs and I didn't."

I think your friend illustrates the problem, the half/untruth which has passed as history taints peoples' perception of Mike and Brian. So Mike unfairly gets criticism/blame he doesn't deserve and Brian doesn't get criticism/blame he does deserve.

For another illustration of this, I'll add:  The person that sold me the "Mike Love, Smiley Smile standup" was a super long time Mike fan and would NEVER have thought about parting with any of his collection ( ask Lee Dempsey); but I found him after C-50 and he was "totally disgusted with Mike" ( his terms) and was only TOO happy to part with it.
MUCH TO MY JOY!!  Thanxx to whomever gt the wirecrossing started....


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SMiLE Brian on June 03, 2014, 06:15:24 AM
The quest for the other standups continues...... :hat


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: dellydel on June 03, 2014, 12:17:16 PM
"Jimmy Page - satanist (allegedly), enthusiastic practitioner of S&M (demonstrably)..."

I don't see how a fondness for Satan and S&M makes you a villain...   :P


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on June 03, 2014, 12:20:21 PM
"Jimmy Page - satanist (allegedly), enthusiastic practitioner of S&M (demonstrably)..."

I don't see how a fondness for Satan and S&M makes you a villain...   :P

Well, he's never met a song he couldn't rip-off... Albeit to great effect.


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 03, 2014, 01:27:19 PM
"Jimmy Page - satanist (allegedly), enthusiastic practitioner of S&M (demonstrably)..."

I don't see how a fondness for Satan and S&M makes you a villain...   :P

I left all the actionable bits out.  Let's just say... word is he had a preference for succulent young meat. Allegedly. ;D


Title: Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love
Post by: SonoraDick on June 03, 2014, 02:07:14 PM
Here we go again. Mike is only rock's #1 villain to the cult of Brian Wilson.

This I don’t agree with. Whether Mike can justifiably be called a villain or not, I’ve run into many fans, more of the 60’s/70’s generation to be sure, who don’t know much about the BB’s and are nowhere near a Brian fanatic (or BB fanatic) who have come away with the impression that Mike Love is a villain/d**k, etc., and have done so by seeing his stage persona, interviews, etc.

My take is that FAR more of these "fans" have simply read something in a magazine or on the internet, and just jumped on the bandwagon. I bet 99% of them wouldn't recognize Mike if he sat down right next to them.