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« on: May 10, 2014, 12:13:21 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oZSAQX2uuUY#t=181

Time to start a petition to induct Brian Wilson and his band into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame again?

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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2014, 12:26:02 AM »

I'd love to see it happen, but realistically his solo work just isn't prolific enough.

That said, can't stand the RRHOF.
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2014, 01:01:50 PM »

Twelve (soon to be thirteen) solo* albums in a 26-year solo career isn't prolific ?  Huh

[* if you include Orange Crate Art]
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2014, 01:33:09 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2014, 01:38:06 PM »

J&D will never be inducted as long as Jann Wenner draws a breath.
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2014, 01:47:23 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2014, 05:03:28 PM »

  There are plenty of influential rock critics - Greil Marcus and Dave Marsh - who could make a good case for Jan & Dean. If The Dave Clark 5 and Cat Stevens qualify then J & D would merit consideration IMO.

 Jann Wenner...I can't even say what I think in decent company.
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2014, 05:05:50 PM »

 IMO Brian does not qualify for induction as a solo artist, but Dave Marks and Bruce Johnston have been snubbed in their roles as Beach Boys. Bruce has been a Beach Boy longer than say Ron Wood has been a Stone. How many great albums have the Stones made with Ronnie Wood on board? One. (Some Girls)
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2014, 11:13:23 PM »

According to the HOF criteria, he does.

"Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll."

Depending on how picky you want to be, Brian was eligible in either 1991 or, more realistically, 2011.

Check out this list of HOF snubs: http://www.futurerocklegends.com/The_Snub_List.php?sortby=years_snubbed
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2014, 02:38:52 AM »

Brian's solo career is a feelgood story for his fans (and the man), but he shouldn't be in the HOF for his post-88 output.

And, thoughts on Wenner aside, for Jan & Dean to be HOF-worthy (imo), the bar would have to be set incredibly low.
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2014, 05:21:33 AM »

Technically, doesn't Brian's "countdown" to the HOF begin with the 1987 Let's Go To Heaven In My Car/Too Much Sugar single?
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2014, 06:11:06 AM »

Twelve (soon to be thirteen) solo* albums in a 26-year solo career isn't prolific ?  Huh

[* if you include Orange Crate Art]

None of them terribly remarkable.
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2014, 06:21:39 AM »

Sir, you are entitled to your opinion, flawed as it may be. Old Man
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2014, 06:30:22 AM »

If Brian ever somehow got inducted as a “solo artist”, it would be much more based on name recognition, and his ostensibly “solo” production work on BB tracks than for his own solo releases.

Ask a non-BB fan to name ONE song released under Brian Wilson’s own name that wasn’t a re-recorded BB song. Among the long list of “snubbed” bands, many of them (Yes, ELO, Jan & Dean, the list goes on) have some recognizable hits and a case could be made for their influence, etc.

Even some past questionable “solo” inductees like the Beatles as solo artists did have some recognizable (and hit) recordings under their own name, and even in those cases, the actual award show still featured as much if not more Beatles material (McCartney doing “Let It Be”, Price peforming “While My Guitar Gently Weeps” at Harrison’s induction) as solo. So in the even Brian ever got inducted as a solo artist, I can guarantee much if not most of what was discussed and played would be BB material even if it contradicts the “terms” of the induction.

The only reason the likes of Brian, or Jan & Dean, or many “snubbed” artists would make it in at this stage would be because, as the years go on, they are running out of old fogey bands to appeal to a wider demographic of fans who aren’t going to be into the late 80’s/early 90’s artists that are now eligible. If the hall of fame cares to cater to that demographic in future years, they’ll have to trout out a few inductions like “Yes” or something.
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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2014, 06:34:20 AM »

Two bands that really, really should be in there:

Cowsills

Carpenters.
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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2014, 07:42:15 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2014, 08:05:06 AM »

Sir, you are entitled to your opinion, flawed as it may be. Old Man

I prefer the term realistic to flawed.   Afro

Hey I dig his solo albums, but I think HeyJude nailed it on the head.  Brian Wilson has had plenty of accomplishments, but his solo career seems more geared toward the diehard fans like us instead of really attracting any new fans.
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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2014, 10:30:32 AM »

I don't think ANYONE should be inducted into the R'nRHoF as a solo artist if they've already been inducted as part of another act, UNTIL the ever-growing backlog of much-deserving acts who've been overlooked so far have been inducted first.

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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2014, 10:35:15 AM »

Technically, doesn't Brian's "countdown" to the HOF begin with the 1987 Let's Go To Heaven In My Car/Too Much Sugar single?
What about "Caroline No"... that was released as a solo single..
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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2014, 11:11:33 AM »

I don't think ANYONE should be inducted into the R'nRHoF as a solo artist if they've already been inducted as part of another act, UNTIL the ever-growing backlog of much-deserving acts who've been overlooked so far have been inducted first.



So you would deny Paul Simon, Peter Gabriel, Michael Jackson, Eric Clapton, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, and George Harrison the recognition they deserve for having success outside of their respective bands?
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« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2014, 12:00:30 PM »

Technically, doesn't Brian's "countdown" to the HOF begin with the 1987 Let's Go To Heaven In My Car/Too Much Sugar single?
What about "Caroline No"... that was released as a solo single..

Yeah, good point. I guess that means Brian was actually eligible in 1991!

Did David Marks' individual eligibility begin with his David Marks & The Marksmen recordings?
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