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« Reply #450 on: October 27, 2014, 11:22:32 PM »

Not hearing everything like I'm sitting in the deep end of a full swimming pool would probably make my disposition somewhat sunnier.
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« Reply #451 on: October 27, 2014, 11:39:05 PM »

Being mad at Mike's part in the C50 ending is one thing...attacking one's spiritual beliefs is another, and rather offensive. 
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« Reply #452 on: October 28, 2014, 12:32:27 AM »

Is someone attacking someone else's spiritual beliefs?

Pretty sure people have been joking about TM since about 1968
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« Reply #453 on: October 28, 2014, 12:28:08 PM »

Al should take Bruce's part on the tag, because that part gets lost in Brian's band and you can't hear it.
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« Reply #454 on: October 28, 2014, 01:38:23 PM »

Pretty sure people have been joking about TM since about 1968

Right, so that makes it okay.
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« Reply #455 on: October 28, 2014, 01:57:52 PM »

Pretty sure people have been joking about TM since about 1968

Right, so that makes it okay.

TM is generally referred to as a form of Meditation Technique, rather than a spiritual belief.
At least that's what maharishi mahesh yogi said( and if he believes it, then Mike does too, right? )   

http://www.tm.org/blog/maharishi/maharishi-tm-religion/
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« Reply #456 on: October 28, 2014, 02:11:16 PM »

A very expensive one.... Wink
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« Reply #457 on: October 28, 2014, 02:53:12 PM »

Sigh...
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« Reply #458 on: October 28, 2014, 03:00:05 PM »

Well he is a part of an organization that charges 2500 dollars for basic stress relief concepts. Plus gives out the same mantras to thousands of people. TM is a cult that nearly derailed the BBs in the 1970s, funny how "crazy" BW doesnt follow it.

Mike practises TM, he's not part of the controlling organisation. Yes, like pretty much every organised religion, there's an element of soaking and misleading the adherents but... supposing I was a practising Roman Catholic (I'm not, but for the purposes of illustration...): would that make me answerable for the decades of sexual abuse inflicted by RC priests on the children in their spiritual care ? By your logic yes: I practise the religion, ergo I am responsible. To return to my original question: your source for Mike personally chatging the amounts you've stated here, please.


This comparison isn't quite apt in my opinion. Smile Brian's issue is that the TM organization is bilking people for money. Consequently, if Mike were doing (paid or unpaid) PR for TM (and I'm not saying he is or isn't), then he would be, in effect, contributing directly to the bilking. If the Catholic Church demanded an entry fee, and you went around telling people how great Catholicism is with a desire that people join the church too, then you would be likewise part of the bilking. Regardless of whether or not you agree with the facts of Smile Brian's statement, he is plainly not accusing Mike of being answerable for systemic issues that he has no control over and have no connection to his own day to day practices.
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« Reply #459 on: October 28, 2014, 05:32:45 PM »

Well he is a part of an organization that charges 2500 dollars for basic stress relief concepts. Plus gives out the same mantras to thousands of people. TM is a cult that nearly derailed the BBs in the 1970s, funny how "crazy" BW doesnt follow it.

Mike practises TM, he's not part of the controlling organisation. Yes, like pretty much every organised religion, there's an element of soaking and misleading the adherents but... supposing I was a practising Roman Catholic (I'm not, but for the purposes of illustration...): would that make me answerable for the decades of sexual abuse inflicted by RC priests on the children in their spiritual care ? By your logic yes: I practise the religion, ergo I am responsible. To return to my original question: your source for Mike personally chatging the amounts you've stated here, please.


This comparison isn't quite apt in my opinion. Smile Brian's issue is that the TM organization is bilking people for money. Consequently, if Mike were doing (paid or unpaid) PR for TM (and I'm not saying he is or isn't), then he would be, in effect, contributing directly to the bilking. If the Catholic Church demanded an entry fee, and you went around telling people how great Catholicism is with a desire that people join the church too, then you would be likewise part of the bilking. Regardless of whether or not you agree with the facts of Smile Brian's statement, he is plainly not accusing Mike of being answerable for systemic issues that he has no control over and have no connection to his own day to day practices.
It's just like making any purchase in your life. People advertise to you for your dollars. It's up to you whether what they say makes sense to you and worth the expense to have it. Nobody is bilking anyone. It is all about choice. Just because TM is an intangible doesn't mean that it doesn't have worth.
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« Reply #460 on: October 28, 2014, 05:51:52 PM »

Nobody is bilking anyone.

Maybe not, though I think the issue is far more nuanced than simply saying "It is all about choice," as does, surely, every company in the world who spends money on advertising. My point, though, is not to say that TM is bilking anyone -- I was simply stating what I thought Smile Brian's argument to be. My point, rather, was to say that the Catholic church comparison didn't make sense.
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« Reply #461 on: October 28, 2014, 05:53:25 PM »

That was my point expressed way better than I could say it. Cool
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« Reply #462 on: October 28, 2014, 05:55:00 PM »

Being mad at Mike's part in the C50 ending is one thing...attacking one's spiritual beliefs is another, and rather offensive. 

This isn't the forum for it, but I do disagree: someone's spiritual beliefs are as fair to attack as his or her political beliefs (or any other beliefs). If one is free to believe, one is free to challenge (someone else's beliefs). Though ideally it is done civilly, respectfully, making "attack" an imperfect word.
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« Reply #463 on: October 31, 2014, 06:27:21 PM »

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I see intro Brian and intro Dennis on here. I know someone posted earlier about Dennis' tribute, but they're not doing one for Brian on The Warmth Of The Sun are they? That would seem...odd.
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« Reply #464 on: October 31, 2014, 07:26:31 PM »

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I see intro Brian and intro Dennis on here. I know someone posted earlier about Dennis' tribute, but they're not doing one for Brian on The Warmth Of The Sun are they? That would seem...odd.

I would guess it's just a discussion of Brian. While Mike's schpiel about Brian kinda sometimes makes it sound like Brian's dead, I don't they would have the bad taste to sing to Brian's voice in concert. I also doubt Brian would allow it.

I do continue to marvel at the fact that you can now go to a Beach Boys concert and hear Carl and Dennis, but not the living Brian and Al.
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« Reply #465 on: October 31, 2014, 08:09:24 PM »

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I see intro Brian and intro Dennis on here. I know someone posted earlier about Dennis' tribute, but they're not doing one for Brian on The Warmth Of The Sun are they? That would seem...odd.

I would guess it's just a discussion of Brian. While Mike's schpiel about Brian kinda sometimes makes it sound like Brian's dead, I don't they would have the bad taste to sing to Brian's voice in concert. I also doubt Brian would allow it.

I do continue to marvel at the fact that you can now go to a Beach Boys concert and hear Carl and Dennis, but not the living Brian and Al.

It is truly the height of absurdity, and some interviewer should grow a pair and ask Mike to explain his thoughts regarding that odd dichotomy. I'd sure like to hear them.
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« Reply #466 on: October 31, 2014, 09:16:24 PM »

Funny this is being discussed now. I read this story yesterday and, correct me if I am wrong, it may be the first where not another member of the band, pass or present, gets a mention by name.

http://www.statecollege.com/news/local-news/a-lively-conversation-with-legendary-mike-love-of-the-beach-boys,1461422/

It of course may just be the editing but I thought it was poor either way. I'm happy to cut Mike some slack as he has always name-checked members in the pass.
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« Reply #467 on: November 01, 2014, 06:05:52 AM »

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I see intro Brian and intro Dennis on here. I know someone posted earlier about Dennis' tribute, but they're not doing one for Brian on The Warmth Of The Sun are they? That would seem...odd.

I would guess it's just a discussion of Brian. While Mike's schpiel about Brian kinda sometimes makes it sound like Brian's dead, I don't they would have the bad taste to sing to Brian's voice in concert. I also doubt Brian would allow it.

I do continue to marvel at the fact that you can now go to a Beach Boys concert and hear Carl and Dennis, but not the living Brian and Al.
Hey Jude - it was a discussion of Brian, which Mike does at every single show.  Those printed setlists are for the use of the band, to know what is coming next as well as the sound and light crew.  They used to write the setlists on their palms.  It is sort of a "to do" list for the show.  I was at show and posted it on BBB. 

Immediately, someone at lastfm, posts it with the link to BBB, and then shortly afterwards, "edits it" with the cover songs authors, and the BBB attribution link gets "dropped." It has been going on for quite some time.  It is on Mike's Facebook page and Mike gave BBB attribution. 
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It is truly the height of absurdity, and some interviewer should grow a pair and ask Mike to explain his thoughts regarding that odd dichotomy. I'd sure like to hear them.

The response would be pretty obvious I would guess...
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« Reply #469 on: November 01, 2014, 09:07:17 PM »


It is truly the height of absurdity, and some interviewer should grow a pair and ask Mike to explain his thoughts regarding that odd dichotomy. I'd sure like to hear them.

The response would be pretty obvious I would guess...

What would it be?

"I wanna show a sign of respect to my cousin who I chose to continue touring without even though he wanted to do more shows and make a record with me? And by this point even after another tour and album I probably woulda been back on my own with Bruce by now and nobody woulda been very upset."

That sound about right.
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« Reply #470 on: November 01, 2014, 09:28:22 PM »

I would imagine the reason is that Brian and Al are still alive and they themselves can choose not to be included in the live show. Carl and Dennis, on the other hand...
Maybe their estates are given more money for allowing them to use their voices?
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« Reply #471 on: November 01, 2014, 11:13:07 PM »


What would it be?

"I wanna show a sign of respect to my cousin who I chose to continue touring without even though he wanted to do more shows and make a record with me? And by this point even after another tour and album I probably woulda been back on my own with Bruce by now and nobody woulda been very upset."

That sound about right.

Nope because the previous poster was talking about hearing Carl and Dennis`s voices at the concert. Mike obviously wouldn`t describe using their vocals as a sign of respect to Brian.
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« Reply #472 on: November 02, 2014, 01:22:06 AM »

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I see intro Brian and intro Dennis on here. I know someone posted earlier about Dennis' tribute, but they're not doing one for Brian on The Warmth Of The Sun are they? That would seem...odd.

I would guess it's just a discussion of Brian. While Mike's schpiel about Brian kinda sometimes makes it sound like Brian's dead, I don't they would have the bad taste to sing to Brian's voice in concert. I also doubt Brian would allow it.

I do continue to marvel at the fact that you can now go to a Beach Boys concert and hear Carl and Dennis, but not the living Brian and Al.

It is truly the height of absurdity, and some interviewer should grow a pair and ask Mike to explain his thoughts regarding that odd dichotomy. I'd sure like to hear them.

Mike has a Facebook page, on which he posts fairly often. To use your own pungent phrase, grow a pair, go there, and ask. Grin
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« Reply #473 on: November 02, 2014, 01:24:50 AM »

I would imagine the reason is that Brian and Al are still alive and they themselves can choose not to be included in the live show. Carl and Dennis, on the other hand...
Maybe their estates are given more money for allowing them to use their voices?

The vocal tracks used are the property of (currently) Capitol records, I believe. So, probably not but as ever I stand to be corrected by those with better knowledge, better contacts and a healthier bank balance.
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« Reply #474 on: November 02, 2014, 01:46:25 AM »

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I see intro Brian and intro Dennis on here. I know someone posted earlier about Dennis' tribute, but they're not doing one for Brian on The Warmth Of The Sun are they? That would seem...odd.

I would guess it's just a discussion of Brian. While Mike's schpiel about Brian kinda sometimes makes it sound like Brian's dead, I don't they would have the bad taste to sing to Brian's voice in concert. I also doubt Brian would allow it.

I do continue to marvel at the fact that you can now go to a Beach Boys concert and hear Carl and Dennis, but not the living Brian and Al.

It is truly the height of absurdity, and some interviewer should grow a pair and ask Mike to explain his thoughts regarding that odd dichotomy. I'd sure like to hear them.

Mike has a Facebook page, on which he posts fairly often. To use your own pungent phrase, grow a pair, go there, and ask. Grin

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