"Wilson driven negativity"

[Micha]

Just agree you over reacted and shake hands.

No, Cam. I think anything that vaguely invites comparison between Mike and a paedophile is unfair, whatever the context.

Try comparing Mike to Hitler next time, that's accepted. By some.

BTW, I didn't take the Savile comment as a comparison between Mike and a paedophile, but as an example for a person who is totally unlike his public image, as it was meant.

[bluesno1fann]

Just agree you over reacted and shake hands.

No, Cam. I think anything that vaguely invites comparison between Mike and a paedophile is unfair, whatever the context.

I say comparing Mike (or Myke or Myhk if you'd like) to a paedophile is hilarious 

But if anyone does seriously compare Mike to a paedophile, then that's just wrong.

But as a joke... 

[Nicko1234]

I say comparing Mike (or Myke or Myhk if you'd like) to a paedophile is hilarious 

But if anyone does seriously compare Mike to a paedophile, then that's just wrong.

But as a joke... 

You're a strange guy...

[bluesno1fann]

I say comparing Mike (or Myke or Myhk if you'd like) to a paedophile is hilarious  

But if anyone does seriously compare Mike to a paedophile, then that's just wrong.

But as a joke...  

You're a strange guy...

Clearly you misunderstood. Mike may have done really stupid things, and crap that makes a lot of people hate him, I don't think he deserves to be compared to a Paedophile. To seriously do that is just wrong, and taking things way too far.
As a joke, it is pretty hilarious. But to do it seriously is going too far.

[Mike's Beard]

Nobody is comparing Mike to a paedophile in that context at all.

[bluesno1fann]

Nobody is comparing Mike to a paedophile in that context at all.

I meant hypothetically...

[Micha]

I say comparing Mike (or Myke or Myhk if you'd like) to a paedophile is hilarious 

But if anyone does seriously compare Mike to a paedophile, then that's just wrong.

But as a joke... 

You're a strange guy...

He's 14 or 15 years old IIRC.

[Niko]

If you couldn't tell by his posts 

[Smilin Ed H]

"When the original allegation was made social services and the police thoroughly investigated the sexual molestatation charge and found no evidence of any wrongdoing.  This was in the midst of bitter divorce proceedings with Mia after woody hooked up with his stepdaughter.  Was this part of Mia's revenge to encourage her daughter to say these things, to the point where she believed it?  No one knows but there's still a presumption of innocence particularly after an investigation essentially cleared Woody.  So Hollywood stars should not work with woody or give him awards for work he has done because of allegations 15 years ago that he was cleared of?  That's political correctness gone mad IMO."  

The District Attorney was going to file charges against Woody Allen, and said publicly that he felt that Mr. Allen was guilty.  The D.A. would be privy to all the investigative materials, including the work of the police.  Due to the young age of the victim and the damage a trial might cause her, the case was not prosecuted.  

Is it possible the molestation allegation was made up as part of the revenge that Mia Farrow sought for Woody dating Soon Yi, maybe.  The whole thing is messy and uncomfortable.  I just find it odd that Hollywood celebrities are quick to condemn many on flimsier evidence but treat Woody with reverence.  Meryl Streep, within the last month, read from a letter from 1938 regarding Walt Disney at an awards ceremony trashing the late Studio head, but is silent as to Woody Allen.

Messy situation, to put it mildly.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2014/02/01/mia-farrow-uses-close-pal-journalist-in-woody-allen-war-writer-of-latest-piece-is-close-friend

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast.html

Some of what Weide says - not least about the timing of events - does make me wonder.

[Justin]

Mike's wife Jacquelyne is posting some stuff on Facebook right now, using Mike's FB account; the phrase "Wilson-driven negativity" could be a huge clue to the disharmony that's preventing the real Beach Boys working together…

(Mods: if you judge this is intrusive please delete but as it's being out out on a public forum and dissemination could be in the fans' interest, I hope this is okay)…


"Patricia,
Again, Mike and i are so grateful for your support, we are in transit to new York for Howard stern's birthday party..... we just tuned into The Beach Boys facebook page, we need you and whom ever else you think will go onto the page and post positive comments about Mike.  talk about their favorite songs Mike either sings or has written.....this Wilson driven negativity has to stop.... Please contact as many as you can to go onto The Beach boys FB and like the post and be positive.... if we band together darkness turns to light.
All our Love,
Jacquelyne"

I'm just only now catching up to this story....

The above sounds like a private message Jacquenlyne intended to send instead of posting it publicly on the FB page.  Has that been determined already?

[The Shift]

It continued on the FB page…

[Andrew G. Doe]

Mike's wife Jacquelyne is posting some stuff on Facebook right now, using Mike's FB account; the phrase "Wilson-driven negativity" could be a huge clue to the disharmony that's preventing the real Beach Boys working together…

(Mods: if you judge this is intrusive please delete but as it's being out out on a public forum and dissemination could be in the fans' interest, I hope this is okay)…


"Patricia,
Again, Mike and i are so grateful for your support, we are in transit to new York for Howard stern's birthday party..... we just tuned into The Beach Boys facebook page, we need you and whom ever else you think will go onto the page and post positive comments about Mike.  talk about their favorite songs Mike either sings or has written.....this Wilson driven negativity has to stop.... Please contact as many as you can to go onto The Beach boys FB and like the post and be positive.... if we band together darkness turns to light.
All our Love,
Jacquelyne"

I'm just only now catching up to this story....

The above sounds like a private message Jacquenlyne intended to send instead of posting it publicly on the FB page.  Has that been determined already?

I'd say it looks somewhat like that. Even so, given that it's not been taken down, I'd say she stands by it.

Easy enough to do - back on the old PSML, I accidentally posted a private response to the list that was... um, shall we say, somewhat intemperate in both tone and language ?

[The Shift]

Easy enough to do - back on the old PSML, I accidentally posted a private response to the list that was... um, shall we say, somewhat intemperate in both tone and language ?

Completely out of character – I'd've denied all knowledge and claimed my account was hacked… 

[bluesno1fann]

If you couldn't tell by his posts 

Care to give some examples?

[Shady]

I like Mike.  I like Brian.   But friends who know what a  BB fan I have been have emailed and asked whynMike broke up
the Beach Boys after their  successful reunion.    it's like even   casual followers seem to think Mike is the bad guy.

Articles appeared in magazines and online saying Mike fired Brian.    Who planted the anti mike seed with the media after the reunion tour?

The internet media crowd jumped all over the 'it feels I've been fired from my own band' comment from Brian. Brian is a master at playing the victim card.

I doubt Brian even made that comment, let alone was trying to be a victim 

[guitarfool2002]

Mike's wife Jacquelyne is posting some stuff on Facebook right now, using Mike's FB account; the phrase "Wilson-driven negativity" could be a huge clue to the disharmony that's preventing the real Beach Boys working together…

(Mods: if you judge this is intrusive please delete but as it's being out out on a public forum and dissemination could be in the fans' interest, I hope this is okay)…


"Patricia,
Again, Mike and i are so grateful for your support, we are in transit to new York for Howard stern's birthday party..... we just tuned into The Beach Boys facebook page, we need you and whom ever else you think will go onto the page and post positive comments about Mike.  talk about their favorite songs Mike either sings or has written.....this Wilson driven negativity has to stop.... Please contact as many as you can to go onto The Beach boys FB and like the post and be positive.... if we band together darkness turns to light.
All our Love,
Jacquelyne"

I'm just only now catching up to this story....

The above sounds like a private message Jacquenlyne intended to send instead of posting it publicly on the FB page.  Has that been determined already?

If true, if accurate...use this as an example of how social media, fansites, message boards, YouTube comments, Twitter...the whole shebang, basically...is used and manipulated as a marketing and promotions tool by various interests.

It's on everything from comments posted to news stories on official news media sites, to YouTube comments, to comments such as a recent one related to NAMM and who played bass on sessions. Politicians have their staff, supporters, and assorted lackeys post things all the time under the guise of a regular citizen-civilian posting their comments. Some entities will hire marketing teams to do related activities across social media, with some hints that even generating a large number of "likes" or "followers" as a status symbol for up and coming artists and whatnot can be bought and sold as a service from various vendors who can work the systems and write whatever codes are necessary to generate such things without being outed as a 'bot or spam.

And certain entities can manufacture and create the all-important "Viral Video", so that a video of a shitty band gets 1,000,000 hits while other bands never crack 1,000. Same with any product advertising, the new ad agency buzzword phrase is "viral video".

Ask one of the ad salesmen and hustlers of the modern age how often they make it a point to use the term "viral video" when pitching a multimedia campaign to a prospective client.

It's guerrilla marketing for the social media age, but it's not really guerrilla since it's out in the open and easy to spot. And most of it looks forced and phony.

But this just confirms that music, politics, TV, corporate branding and advertising...it's not as surface-level as it seems when someone simply posts a comment on the right website which is more of a planned and directed soundbite message instead of the random comment from some chump that it's pretending to be.

Food for thought, next time something similar comes up. 

[Autotune]

I like Mike.  I like Brian.   But friends who know what a  BB fan I have been have emailed and asked whynMike broke up
the Beach Boys after their  successful reunion.    it's like even   casual followers seem to think Mike is the bad guy.

Articles appeared in magazines and online saying Mike fired Brian.    Who planted the anti mike seed with the media after the reunion tour?

Media shitstorm during the silly season, and possibly some adept media manipulation. It'll be most amusing, and instructive, when the true story of the ending of the C50 tour (why, when and by whom) emerges. And it will: these are The Beach Boys, remember. Might take a few years, maybe a decade or two, but what actually happened will become public knowledge. It always does.  

I'll be damned if the reason for the C50 explotion does not involve Jaquelyne-designed shirts. And I'm serious.

Btw: 10 years after the facts, maybe it's time to unveil the real reason for Andy Paley's departure from Brian's life. Anyone?

[Pretty Funky]

I understand she chose the wardrobe for the C50, and a fine job she made of it IMO.