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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2014, 03:37:03 AM »

Alas, no - he got back to me, but can't remember. Guess we'll have to try and match the images with AFM sheets.
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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2014, 04:55:44 AM »

Alas, no - he got back to me, but can't remember. Guess we'll have to try and match the images with AFM sheets.


Bummer...the one of Carl playing drums really bugs me...maybe you could ask him if he at least remembers what song that was?
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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2014, 11:03:45 AM »

The one for the cover of Hit Parader is definitely from '71. They look exactly the same as in the picture Steve Desper took of the group in Brian's backyard during the recording of the Surf's Up album. I have a poster of it in my room. It was included in publicity shots of the group. I think Steve even remembers what song they were recording when the picture was taken, more than likely the same month as the Hit Parader shot.

Who are the two guys standing in the first pictures? And of the two, which one is Mo Ostin?
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« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2014, 11:43:47 AM »

Who are the two guys standing in the first pictures? And of the two, which one is Mo Ostin?

The person (appearing in both 'signing' photos) with glasses and full beard is, according to the Gaines book, Nick Grillo...

I assume the other person is Mo Ostin.....?
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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2014, 12:22:19 PM »

Getting back to Dalton's "Sunflower"-era photos for a sec...one interesting thing about them is that Brian, Dennis, and Carl are all variously shown playing drums in the studio. Brian does not sport headphones in his shot, but both Dennis and Carl do in theirs...meaning the latter two were likely laying down drums on actual tracks, whereas Brian may have simply been demonstrating something on the drums. Another interesting shot is of Al, Dennis, Carl, and someone (Desper, probably?) on the roof of Brian's garage, which is filled with all kinds of percussion instruments and microphones. Desper wrote in his book that the drums for "Slip On Through" (played by Dennis Dragon) were recorded on the rooftop. In this shot, Dennis is seen playing a set of timbales with soft mallets (headphone-less, although there is a separate shot from the same session which is a closeup of Dennis playing the timbales with headphones on...and a third such shot of Denny playing the timbales at the same session - this time with a cigarette in his mouth, as well as headphones on his head - appears on page 52 of Adam Webb's book "Dumb Angel - The Life and Music of Dennis Wilson"...this one faces ANOTHER David Dalton in-studio shot of Dennis on page 53, apparently sitting at the keyboards this time, but clearly from a different session, due to the presence of a moustache on the otherwise clean-shaven DW).
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« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2014, 05:26:16 PM »

Upon close examination of the "rooftop" photo featuring Al, Carl, Desper and Dennis, I see what appears to be a four-m onth calendar on the inside of the open door. Can't make out the months or year, though. The two visible months (the other two are blocked by Al) appear to have mostly full first weeks and completely full fifth weeks, and longer names. Maybe someone else can make them out?
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« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2014, 08:55:09 PM »

Upon close examination of the "rooftop" photo featuring Al, Carl, Desper and Dennis, I see what appears to be a four-m onth calendar on the inside of the open door. Can't make out the months or year, though. The two visible months (the other two are blocked by Al) appear to have mostly full first weeks and completely full fifth weeks, and longer names. Maybe someone else can make them out?

I don't think those are full fifth weeks, as that wouldn't be possible:  The bottom one , with a full fifth week and at least 6 days showing in the first week ,would have 34 days. I think it's more likely that the top row is a letter for each day of the week. Then any additional days at the end of the month would be diagonally divided( or top/bottom) in the begiinning of the fourth line of numerals. 
That doesn't help on the identity issue and I know it's not what you were hoping for, but... 
Perhaps David Beard has a clearer version of the photo in his archives, which he can check and get back to us? 
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« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2014, 05:53:27 AM »

where's the best place to find these photos?
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« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2014, 10:00:35 AM »

Upon close examination of the "rooftop" photo featuring Al, Carl, Desper and Dennis, I see what appears to be a four-m onth calendar on the inside of the open door. Can't make out the months or year, though. The two visible months (the other two are blocked by Al) appear to have mostly full first weeks and completely full fifth weeks, and longer names. Maybe someone else can make them out?

I don't think those are full fifth weeks, as that wouldn't be possible:  The bottom one , with a full fifth week and at least 6 days showing in the first week ,would have 34 days. I think it's more likely that the top row is a letter for each day of the week. Then any additional days at the end of the month would be diagonally divided( or top/bottom) in the begiinning of the fourth line of numerals.  
That doesn't help on the identity issue and I know it's not what you were hoping for, but...  
Perhaps David Beard has a clearer version of the photo in his archives, which he can check and get back to us?  

I've got the original jpgs David sent me for my 2010 Sunflower article for ESQ. That's not a calendar. Whatever it is, it runs the full width of the door, which would mean a week with something like 12 days. Likely some kind of pegboard.
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« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2014, 10:22:55 AM »

where's the best place to find these photos?

In the Winter 2010 edition of Endless Summer Quarterly.
http://esquarterly.com/merchandise.html#winter2010
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« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2014, 11:40:09 AM »

Upon close examination of the "rooftop" photo featuring Al, Carl, Desper and Dennis, I see what appears to be a four-m onth calendar on the inside of the open door. Can't make out the months or year, though. The two visible months (the other two are blocked by Al) appear to have mostly full first weeks and completely full fifth weeks, and longer names. Maybe someone else can make them out?

I don't think those are full fifth weeks, as that wouldn't be possible:  The bottom one , with a full fifth week and at least 6 days showing in the first week ,would have 34 days. I think it's more likely that the top row is a letter for each day of the week. Then any additional days at the end of the month would be diagonally divided( or top/bottom) in the begiinning of the fourth line of numerals.  
That doesn't help on the identity issue and I know it's not what you were hoping for, but...  
Perhaps David Beard has a clearer version of the photo in his archives, which he can check and get back to us?  

I've got the original jpgs David sent me for my 2010 Sunflower article for ESQ. That's not a calendar. Whatever it is, it runs the full width of the door, which would mean a week with something like 12 days. Likely some kind of pegboard.

Can you post a pic?
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« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2014, 11:46:03 AM »

where's the best place to find these photos?

In the Winter 2010 edition of Endless Summer Quarterly.
http://esquarterly.com/merchandise.html#winter2010

cool. anywhere else?
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« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2014, 11:49:54 AM »

Upon close examination of the "rooftop" photo featuring Al, Carl, Desper and Dennis, I see what appears to be a four-m onth calendar on the inside of the open door. Can't make out the months or year, though. The two visible months (the other two are blocked by Al) appear to have mostly full first weeks and completely full fifth weeks, and longer names. Maybe someone else can make them out?

I don't think those are full fifth weeks, as that wouldn't be possible:  The bottom one , with a full fifth week and at least 6 days showing in the first week ,would have 34 days. I think it's more likely that the top row is a letter for each day of the week. Then any additional days at the end of the month would be diagonally divided( or top/bottom) in the begiinning of the fourth line of numerals.  
That doesn't help on the identity issue and I know it's not what you were hoping for, but...  
Perhaps David Beard has a clearer version of the photo in his archives, which he can check and get back to us?  

I've got the original jpgs David sent me for my 2010 Sunflower article for ESQ. That's not a calendar. Whatever it is, it runs the full width of the door, which would mean a week with something like 12 days. Likely some kind of pegboard.

Can you post a pic?

Ah. Evidently my word isn't good enough. So... no, I won't.
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« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2014, 12:32:30 PM »

Upon close examination of the "rooftop" photo featuring Al, Carl, Desper and Dennis, I see what appears to be a four-m onth calendar on the inside of the open door. Can't make out the months or year, though. The two visible months (the other two are blocked by Al) appear to have mostly full first weeks and completely full fifth weeks, and longer names. Maybe someone else can make them out?

I don't think those are full fifth weeks, as that wouldn't be possible:  The bottom one , with a full fifth week and at least 6 days showing in the first week ,would have 34 days. I think it's more likely that the top row is a letter for each day of the week. Then any additional days at the end of the month would be diagonally divided( or top/bottom) in the begiinning of the fourth line of numerals.  
That doesn't help on the identity issue and I know it's not what you were hoping for, but...  
Perhaps David Beard has a clearer version of the photo in his archives, which he can check and get back to us?  

I've got the original jpgs David sent me for my 2010 Sunflower article for ESQ. That's not a calendar. Whatever it is, it runs the full width of the door, which would mean a week with something like 12 days. Likely some kind of pegboard.

Can you post a pic?

Ah. Evidently my word isn't good enough. So... no, I won't.


Oh man, don't be getting all defensive. your word is like Beach Boys Gold, but WE LIKE PICTURES.
If I had the pic, I'd post it...
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« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2014, 08:42:43 PM »

Upon close examination of the "rooftop" photo featuring Al, Carl, Desper and Dennis, I see what appears to be a four-m onth calendar on the inside of the open door. Can't make out the months or year, though. The two visible months (the other two are blocked by Al) appear to have mostly full first weeks and completely full fifth weeks, and longer names. Maybe someone else can make them out?

I don't think those are full fifth weeks, as that wouldn't be possible:  The bottom one , with a full fifth week and at least 6 days showing in the first week ,would have 34 days. I think it's more likely that the top row is a letter for each day of the week. Then any additional days at the end of the month would be diagonally divided( or top/bottom) in the begiinning of the fourth line of numerals.  
That doesn't help on the identity issue and I know it's not what you were hoping for, but...  
Perhaps David Beard has a clearer version of the photo in his archives, which he can check and get back to us?  

I've got the original jpgs David sent me for my 2010 Sunflower article for ESQ. That's not a calendar. Whatever it is, it runs the full width of the door, which would mean a week with something like 12 days. Likely some kind of pegboard.

That's why I was thinking it might be a four-month calendar...
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« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2014, 11:38:48 PM »

The resolution isn't quite good enough, but I can't see the usual calendar format, plus what should be the dates are all the same size in all rows, and if that's a calendar... they shouldn't be. Actually, no numerals or letters at all. Also, pretty coincidental that a calendar fits exactly across the width of the door.  Grin

Looks like the pegboard you see in so many studio pics by Jasper. Headphones, for the hanging of.
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« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2014, 03:59:54 PM »

It is possible that it is a calendar.

What appear to be pegs could arguably the dates/numbers on the calendar.

It is more logical that it is something related to recording than a calendar though.

Ask Stephen Desper if he knows.
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« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2014, 05:43:47 PM »

Like I said, the purported "dates" are all the same size, and logically, 3 or 4 wouldn't (couldn't) be the same size as 28 or 29. I've enlarged it as much as I can before it gets too pixellated, and those are not dates

Also, it's a strange calendar that's recessed into a door. I say pegboard.
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« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2014, 08:21:20 PM »

Like I said, the purported "dates" are all the same size, and logically, 3 or 4 wouldn't (couldn't) be the same size as 28 or 29. I've enlarged it as much as I can before it gets too pixellated, and those are not dates

Also, it's a strange calendar that's recessed into a door. I say pegboard.
well there ya go!  I just thought it was a framed calendar. Recessed makes alot of difference there.
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« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2014, 03:51:58 AM »

Like I said, the purported "dates" are all the same size, and logically, 3 or 4 wouldn't (couldn't) be the same size as 28 or 29. I've enlarged it as much as I can before it gets too pixellated, and those are not dates

Also, it's a strange calendar that's recessed into a door. I say pegboard.

OK, so pegboard it is. That's OK, since if it WAS a four-month calendar, it would have only narrowed the date range down to...four months. So, I'm back to trying other ways to solve the date riddle. Based on what Dalton himself said, these "Sunflower'-era photos were taken over a several-month period commencing no earlier than December 7, 1969:

"A year and a half later, after Altamont, I came back for another visit. After the gotterdammerung of the late sixties the idea of escaping back into Brian’s magic kingdom was very appealing. So I came back to L.A. and spent several months hanging out with the Beach Boys while they cut their album Sunflower. The times had changed, the cosmic finger had writ and having writ moved on. Brian and I now bonded over new varieties of peanut butter. I spent a lot of time with him that winter, but nothing afterwards ever approached my goofy epiphany at Zuma Beach."

Based on the length of Dennis' hair in the rooftop photos, I'm guessing summer 1970 (his hair length here matches that of his hair length in the shots from the June 14th Milwaukee gig). And the fact that Carl and Al are both present, in addition to Dennis, suggests that the rooftop shot may be from the "It's About Time" sessions, which were late June or early July. However, the guys are dressed too "warmly" for the kind of weather we normally associate with L.A. that time of year - BUT, there's always excpeiptions to the norm, weather-wise!...and Dalton's comments do imply more of a winter timeframe, however all we know for sure about that is that he started hanging there after Altamont and spent a lot of time with Brian in the winter months...perhaps the "several months" he refers to stretched into the June/July timeframe, by which time perhaps Brian was less accessible to Dalton, and so perhaps he hung with the other guys more. I've tried to find an L.A. weather report for the last week of June and first week of July via Google, but can't find anything that works. If someone with more patience cares to give it a go, please do!
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« Reply #45 on: March 12, 2014, 08:00:57 AM »

It appears the highest temperature for July 1, 1970 was about 74 and the low was about 62.

Here's a few sites to find more dates:
farmersalmanac.com
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« Reply #46 on: March 12, 2014, 08:37:43 AM »

WELL.. Just an observation.. If it was a HIGH of 74 degrees  7-1-70 in southern California that would be UNUSUAL.. July + August are our hottest months and they are on a regular basis.. Much of the time in the 90's + 100's.. It doesn't cool of till Halloween...
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« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2014, 01:54:22 PM »

Who are the two guys standing in the first pictures? And of the two, which one is Mo Ostin?

The person (appearing in both 'signing' photos) with glasses and full beard is, according to the Gaines book, Nick Grillo...

I assume the other person is Mo Ostin.....?


OK, slightly OT...

Anyone know if there is a picture of Jon Parks (Dennis' friend and possibly one time road manager) anywhere?

"No calls from Korthoff, Parks or Grillo..."
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