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« on: December 11, 2013, 01:43:14 AM »

New digital release.
http://www.examiner.com/article/brian-wilson-s-the-big-beat-1963
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2013, 02:07:39 AM »

Fascinating notion, and an excellent collection - looking forward to it..

However, is there any documentary proof that Brian had anything to do with the five Honeys demos ? It's 35 years ago now, but I recall that when they were included in a Derek Bill Honeys boot box set, they were said to be done by the girls as publishing demos, and had no BW involvement whatsoever. Not convinced about "Make The Night..." either - doesn't sound much like a BW '63 effort. More like... Murry, if anything.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2013, 02:11:59 AM »

Still, quite a collection…

The Capitol guys couldn't do worse than look to some of the threads here for liner note inspiration. Surely it can't be coincidence that some of this material is being discussed right now on this very board!?!?!

If AGD's concerns stand up, how about substituting the errant tracks with BW-related tunes form that era, and putting the others on to a bonus "CD" fleshed out with even more goodies… oh, and some bonus tracks… oh and some hidden tracks… and some Easter egg tracks… and… and …

Many thanks for the news David, and thanks to Lee, Mark, Alan and all for this Christmas treat!

Assume this is being released via Beach Boy Central…?
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2013, 02:19:20 AM »

Bear in mind I'm going on 35-year old memories and that archival research has come on leaps and bounds since then... but those demos sound more like Usher than BW. Be thrilled to be proven wrong - the world needs more BW productions from the early 60s !  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2013, 02:49:19 AM »

Wow, just a week from now. Color me excited!
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2013, 04:12:46 AM »

I'm waiting for the first whine of "I wannit on VIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL !!!!!" (SFX of pouting and stamping feet).  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2013, 04:21:04 AM »

Mea very much culpa. Just read the text with m'specs on and unless I'm very much mistaken - or unless EU copyright law is changed - it looks like we can expect something like this every December to come for... well, a while. Color me a happy camper.  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2013, 04:30:02 AM »

I'm waiting for the first whine of "I wannit on VIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL !!!!!" (SFX of pouting and stamping feet).  Grin


Well... I do. I'd at least like a CD. But I'd rather it than nothing. Be nice if it was on Amazon MP3 though, I avoid iTunes.
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2013, 04:39:05 AM »

VERY Cool, Thanxx Dave! 

Wish I owned more than one of the acetates mentioned.  ( 22-WHEN I THINK ABOUT YOU (Honeys demo)  )
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2013, 05:53:22 AM »

It was time to let the cat out of the bag!   Wink 2   Jennifer Ballantyne at Capitol gave Dave the go-ahead to announce it.  Especially since Apple/Capitol just announced the digital release of THE BEATLES - THE BOOTLEG RECORDINGS 1963 for the same day (17 December), for the same reason.

And Andrew is correct -- the common denominator here is 1963.  That's why you don't see the 1962  tracks like "Beginning of the End" or "Visions."  And unfortunately you can't expect a lot of unheard tracks such as Bob Norberg's "apartment demos" -- since he's never made a copy for ANYONE, they're not in danger of falling into the public domain.

Expect a little better sound quality than the boots on most tracks -- but in some cases it was imperative just to use SOME source before the end of the year, so that the copyright could be extended, so some tracks were sourced from collector's cassettes.  But the good side of a digital release is that the source file can be updated if a better source becomes available.

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2013, 06:06:11 AM »

I love this idea! And I'm looking forward to hear an early "You brought it all on yourself" (or something like that). The Honeys cut it on their 80s album Ecstasy.
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2013, 07:37:45 AM »

Fascinating notion, and an excellent collection - looking forward to it..

However, is there any documentary proof that Brian had anything to do with the five Honeys demos ? It's 35 years ago now, but I recall that when they were included in a Derek Bill Honeys boot box set, they were said to be done by the girls as publishing demos, and had no BW involvement whatsoever. Not convinced about "Make The Night..." either - doesn't sound much like a BW '63 effort. More like... Murry, if anything.

I believe "Make the Night" is a Nik Venet production -- like "From Jimmy with Tears."  That's my fault, as I helped Dave with that paragraph, and I should have written it "Beach Boys- and Brian Wilson-related..."

BTW, the arrangement of "Make the Night" owes a lot to this version by The Palisades: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU8TR-08yyU


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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2013, 07:50:14 AM »

Fascinating notion, and an excellent collection - looking forward to it..

However, is there any documentary proof that Brian had anything to do with the five Honeys demos ? It's 35 years ago now, but I recall that when they were included in a Derek Bill Honeys boot box set, they were said to be done by the girls as publishing demos, and had no BW involvement whatsoever. Not convinced about "Make The Night..." either - doesn't sound much like a BW '63 effort. More like... Murry, if anything.

I believe "Make the Night" is a Nik Venet production -- like "From Jimmy with Tears."  That's my fault, as I helped Dave with that paragraph, and I should have written it "Beach Boys- and Brian Wilson-related..."

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have Dave go back and change it?
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2013, 08:08:30 AM »

This is very exciting news. Really thrilled that something like this was even considered and is now actually being released.

Maybe change the title of this thread though to mention something about it being a new BW digital release? I almost didn't click on it. 
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2013, 08:39:37 AM »

I'm waiting for the first whine of "I wannit on VIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL !!!!!" (SFX of pouting and stamping feet).  Grin


Well... I do. I'd at least like a CD. But I'd rather it than nothing. Be nice if it was on Amazon MP3 though, I avoid iTunes.

It is there.
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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2013, 08:53:42 AM »

"CEO Lee Dempsey". I didn't know he was a CEO.  That must take a lot of his time.  No wonder he doesn't post on the board much......

I remember seeing this kind of release on Derek Bill's or Peter Reum's lists directed at collectors.  This time, a legit Brian Wilson Productions comp with emphasis on rare '63 stuff essential to fans and collectors alike. Gotta gettit! 
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2013, 08:59:32 AM »

It is there.

Thanks for the link.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H4R77YY/ref=sr_1_1_rd?ie=UTF8&child=B00H4R7JQA&qid=1386780959&sr=1-1[/url]
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2013, 09:04:29 AM »

"CEO Lee Dempsey". I didn't know he was a CEO.  That must take a lot of his time.  No wonder he doesn't post on the board much......

LOL - The benefit of being the co-owner of a small business (Dave and I had to incorporate ESQ for legal reasons, to protect us from any potential libel issues) is you can declare your title to be anything! Smiley

Heck, I could appoint Will Brison as Secretary of the Corporation...

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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2013, 10:12:40 AM »

Excellent news! Time to go add some more credit to iTunes. Grin
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2013, 10:13:14 AM »

Fascinating notion, and an excellent collection - looking forward to it..

However, is there any documentary proof that Brian had anything to do with the five Honeys demos ? It's 35 years ago now, but I recall that when they were included in a Derek Bill Honeys boot box set, they were said to be done by the girls as publishing demos, and had no BW involvement whatsoever. Not convinced about "Make The Night..." either - doesn't sound much like a BW '63 effort. More like... Murry, if anything.

I believe "Make the Night" is a Nik Venet production -- like "From Jimmy with Tears."  That's my fault, as I helped Dave with that paragraph, and I should have written it "Beach Boys- and Brian Wilson-related..."

BTW, the arrangement of "Make the Night" owes a lot to this version by The Palisades: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU8TR-08yyU


Lee

Thanks Lee. I asked a few other folk, and the overall concensus is that those last five demos are not BW productions. No huge matter, and good to have this unexpected little gem pop up.
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« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2013, 10:19:54 AM »

Yep I agree.  I think the description of "Brian Wilson-related" is a more accurate one -- as The Honeys are his, um, relations (or at least as of 1963, relations to-be).  Expect to see a change in the Examiner article if/when Dave can make the change.

The reality is that these non-Brian Honeys tracks needed EU copyright protection just like the true Beach Boys tracks, and there wasn't any way that Capitol was going to do a separate Honeys release, so it was prudent to slip these in.

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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2013, 10:32:18 AM »

Well at least those complaining that MIC should have Thank Him can be happy.
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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2013, 11:19:58 AM »

made the change
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« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2013, 11:44:08 AM »

A question for the legal-eagles out there. Why does EU copyright law drive the issue for releases of material recorded in a non-EU country? Does it have anything to do with multinational ownership of record companies nowadays?




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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2013, 02:13:04 PM »

A question for the legal-eagles out there. Why does EU copyright law drive the issue for releases of material recorded in a non-EU country? Does it have anything to do with multinational ownership of record companies nowadays?

Goo question. I wondered whether it's more to do with the fear that something released legitimately in Europe will, in this digitrl age, be impossible to prevent being imported to the US in bulk.

Any sign of this getting an EU release though? Not on amazon UK so far…  Now that would really be unusual, given the circumstances driving the release.
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