Blondie Chaplin to Guest with BW on Some Dates

[Sheriff John Stone]

Financially,  Al is taking a bath not being in the BBs.

Really? He is 71, still getting record royalties, has a grown up family, he toured for almost 40 years and had a pretty good year last year with the C50. I've never read anywhere he lost money aside from, I guess, his one divorce.

I doubt he needs the money seriously.

As I said, compared to what? Mike takes in (millions), Al gets $150, 000? So Mike needs the money more than Al?
If anyone needs more, it Brian who has adopted a boatload of kids. (Row boat)

Apart from Jon's comments in 'The Lost Beach Boy' about David modest life style, I have never been convinced that any of them need the money at this stage of the game. They do it because its what they do.

With The Beach Boys, it's ALL about the money. Always has been, always will be.

[Pretty Funky]

I think its for other reasons nowadays, just like a lot of older artists. Its the VIP treatment and the feeling of feeling important. Seat 1A on an aircraft. Given a suite at a hotel. The limo's. Being asked for autographs. The TV cameras and interviews. People like to feel valued and wanted. A lot of sports people past their prime also come into this category.

The alternative is staying home and the missus telling you to put out the trash!

[Andrew G. Doe]

Financially,  Al is taking a bath not being in the BBs.

Really? He is 71, still getting record royalties, has a grown up family, he toured for almost 40 years and had a pretty good year last year with the C50. I've never read anywhere he lost money aside from, I guess, his one divorce.

I doubt he needs the money seriously.

Alan's royalties won't be anything like close to Brian's, or Mike's, because he has written very, very, very few single hits - in fact the only one that comes to mind at 6.28 in the morning is "Lady Lynda", and that didn't chart in the US... plus there's the cost of the various failed lawsuits with BRI. They're all far better off than I would ever be in seventeen lifetimes, but - like most rock musicians - are probably not as well off as we'd (like to) think.

[KittyKat]

If they're well-off from songwriting, it's because they saved and invested their past royalty money wisely. There isn't much money being made from writing songs compared to the past; that's why all the classic rockers are still touring and trying to get the highest ticket prices they can. Between illegal downloading and the paltry rates paid out by online streaming sources such as Spotify and Pandora, being able to make live touring money is a much bigger deal and part of musicians' income structure than it was in the past. 

[Nicko1234]

Financially,  Al is taking a bath not being in the BBs.

To some extent, yes.

But I think you overestimate how much Brian and Al could make if they were touring as The Beach Boys. If Mike brought in $60m (a rough estimate based on the $11m paid to BRI) between 1998-2005 then that equates to maybe $8.5m per year. Now Brian and Al would play half as many shows and would have much higher expenses. Plus they would still be giving 20% to BRI. Deduct all the tax and they wouldn't be bringing home millions each. That's for sure.

Your idea of Al being the sole BRI member in the touring band could have happened at any time since 1998 but I haven't seen any of the voting members say they would advocate this. It would mean far less money for Brian and Carl's estate and Al himself said he thought the name should be done away with after Carl died.

Would anyone care if Mike wasn't on stage anymore? Well, I would guess that quite a few of the people who watch M&B's shows have seen them before. There would be an issue I think if not 1 single member of that band were on stage next year. And if the new group had no front man. There are loads of bands touring without original members but they normally replace like for like. They don't replace a front man with a guitarist.

And anyway, Brian has a solo album to promote. The best way to do that is by touring as Brian Wilson as he always has. The fact that he may well be doing that with Al, David and Blondie will be a big plus for everyone I would have thought. There shouldn't be the distraction of more bad press about battles for the group's name. The movie should increase Brian's standing next year and he shouldn't be damaging that by touring in a non-authentic Beach Boys band. Mike needs to do that because he isn't a name but Brian doesn't.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Financially,  Al is taking a bath not being in the BBs.

To some extent, yes.

But I think you overestimate how much Brian and Al could make if they were touring as The Beach Boys. If Mike brought in $60m (a rough estimate based on the $11m paid to BRI) between 1998-2005 then that equates to maybe $8.5m per year. Now Brian and Al would play half as many shows and would have much higher expenses. Plus they would still be giving 20% to BRI. Deduct all the tax and they wouldn't be bringing home millions each. That's for sure.

Your idea of Al being the sole BRI member in the touring band could have happened at any time since 1998 but I haven't seen any of the voting members say they would advocate this. It would mean far less money for Brian and Carl's estate and Al himself said he thought the name should be done away with after Carl died.

Would anyone care if Mike wasn't on stage anymore? Well, I would guess that quite a few of the people who watch M&B's shows have seen them before. There would be an issue I think if not 1 single member of that band were on stage next year. And if the new group had no front man. There are loads of bands touring without original members but they normally replace like for like. They don't replace a front man with a guitarist.

And anyway, Brian has a solo album to promote. The best way to do that is by touring as Brian Wilson as he always has. The fact that he may well be doing that with Al, David and Blondie will be a big plus for everyone I would have thought. There shouldn't be the distraction of more bad press about battles for the group's name. The movie should increase Brian's standing next year and he shouldn't be damaging that by touring in a non-authentic Beach Boys band. Mike needs to do that because he isn't a name but Brian doesn't.

You misread what I posted. I said Brian doing select gigs so he is there off and on. Besides, there is only one BRI member touring in the BBs right now. Al would neever get the license himself without Brian. Like Bruce to Mike, Al has to have Brian to be legit.

The casino crowd doesn't care which originals are in the band. You probably have never been to concerts in the US. The oldies/state fair circuit is loaded with bands missing original lead singers bigger than ML and nobody gives a crap. Styx, Journey, Yes, Skynard, Temptations, the list gies on and on. In the US, Brian Wilson is famous.  He was recognized by the Prez on national TV in the Kennedy Center Honors. He is the BB genius. Mike Love, humm, wasn't he in the Beach Boys. ?...

As to the money, we already beat this dead horse. Brian and Al as the BBs could top the $150, 000 they get annually from Mike's license with a few shows.

Anyway, my speculative prattle amounts to nothing unless BRI vote to change. But never say never in the world of the BBs. 2014 is gonna be interesting!

[Nicko1234]

You misread what I posted. I said Brian doing select gigs so he is there off and on. Besides, there is only one BRI member touring in the BBs right now. Al would neever get the license himself without Brian. Like Bruce to Mike, Al has to have Brian to be legit.

The casino crowd doesn't care which originals are in the band. You probably have never been to concerts in the US. The oldies/state fair circuit is loaded with bands missing original lead singers bigger than ML and nobody gives a crap. Styx, Journey, Yes, Skynard, Temptations, the list gies on and on. In the US, Brian Wilson is famous.  He was recognized by the Prez on national TV in the Kennedy Center Honors. He is the BB genius. Mike Love, humm, wasn't he in the Beach Boys. ?...

As to the money, we already beat this dead horse. Brian and Al as the BBs could top the $150, 000 they get annually from Mike's license with a few shows.

Anyway, my speculative prattle amounts to nothing unless BRI vote to change. But never say never in the world of the BBs. 2014 is gonna be interesting!

I think we are going into the realms of fantasy now. Al touring with Brian's backing band but with Brian only there for select gigs? Yeah, that'll happen.

And no, Brian and Al wouldn't top $150,000 with a few shows. If it were that simple then some of Brian's tours wouldn't have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in the past.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

You misread what I posted. I said Brian doing select gigs so he is there off and on. Besides, there is only one BRI member touring in the BBs right now. Al would neever get the license himself without Brian. Like Bruce to Mike, Al has to have Brian to be legit.

The casino crowd doesn't care which originals are in the band. You probably have never been to concerts in the US. The oldies/state fair circuit is loaded with bands missing original lead singers bigger than ML and nobody gives a crap. Styx, Journey, Yes, Skynard, Temptations, the list gies on and on. In the US, Brian Wilson is famous.  He was recognized by the Prez on national TV in the Kennedy Center Honors. He is the BB genius. Mike Love, humm, wasn't he in the Beach Boys. ?...

As to the money, we already beat this dead horse. Brian and Al as the BBs could top the $150, 000 they get annually from Mike's license with a few shows.

Anyway, my speculative prattle amounts to nothing unless BRI vote to change. But never say never in the world of the BBs. 2014 is gonna be interesting!

I think we are going into the realms of fantasy now. Al touring with Brian's backing band but with Brian only there for select gigs? Yeah, that'll happen.

And no, Brian and Al wouldn't top $150,000 with a few shows. If it were that simple then some of Brian's tours wouldn't have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in the past.

You are naive about all the tours with 1 or no original members. Al and Dave, two original members as the Beach Boys, no prob. You Brits are just fixated on the Sun, Surf and Mike Love Summer sctik.

Brian wasn't billed as the BBs.

Yeah, that will happen? Already did from 1964 to 2012. Where ya been?

[SurfRiderHawaii]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ARd2tmTNB8s&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DARd2tmTNB8s

[Nicko1234]

You are naive about all the tours with 1 or no original members. Al and Dave, two original members as the Beach Boys, no prob. You Brits are just fixated on the Sun, Surf and Mike Love Summer sctik.

Brian wasn't billed as the BBs.

Yeah, that will happen? Already did from 1964 to 2012. Where ya been?

Living in a world where Brian's band won't be going on tour with Al while Brian stays at home.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

You are naive about all the tours with 1 or no original members. Al and Dave, two original members as the Beach Boys, no prob. You Brits are just fixated on the Sun, Surf and Mike Love Summer sctik.

Brian wasn't billed as the BBs.

Yeah, that will happen? Already did from 1964 to 2012. Where ya been?

Living in a world where Brian's band won't be going on tour with Al while Brian stays at home.

You are the master at arguing endlessly with chery picked, out of conrext words. Not once did I mention Brian's band or any band. You just don't get it. If they take the license, it will be to stick it to Mike. This is the end game, legacy time. So over to you my always has to have the last word friend.

[Pretty Funky]

Financially,  Al is taking a bath not being in the BBs.

Really? He is 71, still getting record royalties, has a grown up family, he toured for almost 40 years and had a pretty good year last year with the C50. I've never read anywhere he lost money aside from, I guess, his one divorce.

I doubt he needs the money seriously.

Alan's royalties won't be anything like close to Brian's, or Mike's, because he has written very, very, very few single hits - in fact the only one that comes to mind at 6.28 in the morning is "Lady Lynda", and that didn't chart in the US... plus there's the cost of the various failed lawsuits with BRI. They're all far better off than I would ever be in seventeen lifetimes, but - like most rock musicians - are probably not as well off as we'd (like to) think.

But surely as a BRI member he gets royalties for reissues, SMiLE, MIC (to name a few) etc that he recorded on?

Like you say, its more than we will ever see in a lifetime. I still believe its for other reasons certain members of the band still want to tour. Brian its therapy IMO. His wife and managers see it as the best thing to keep him active. Mike and Bruce its for the life style and its associated *benefits*.

Believe me. If these guys had been digging ditches for 50 years they would have given up years ago. They are addicted to 'the business'. Its like a drug. The adulation must be quite a thrill and they lap it up. Mike and Bruce go onstage for a couple of hours and get pretty well paid for it. Why would you want to go fishing as a 71 year old retiree for 2 hours and come home empty handed when you can do a paying gig with your buddies.

Al has had the Big Sur property for what, 40 years? So he had to buy the wife out but he has always seemed the most sensible of the group. If his finances are not sorted at his age then more fool him.

[Nicko1234]

You are the master at arguing endlessly with chery picked, out of conrext words. Not once did I mention Brian's band or any band. You just don't get it. If they take the license, it will be to stick it to Mike. This is the end game, legacy time. So over to you my always has to have the last word friend.

  Cracking stuff.

Stop digging...

[Wah Wah Wah Ooooo]

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-brian-wilson-jeff-beck-blondie-chaplin-tour-album-20130906,0,927430.story

Back to Blondie, since that's what this thread was about 8 pages ago...

apparently he sang on a new Brian song called "He Come Down."  That's a pretty interesting title, no?

[jvcthome]

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-brian-wilson-jeff-beck-blondie-chaplin-tour-album-20130906,0,927430.story

Back to Blondie, since that's what this thread was about 8 pages ago...

apparently he sang on a new Brian song called "He Come Down."  That's a pretty interesting title, no?

99% sure it is a cover of the Carl & The Passions song.

[EgoHanger1966]

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-brian-wilson-jeff-beck-blondie-chaplin-tour-album-20130906,0,927430.story

Back to Blondie, since that's what this thread was about 8 pages ago...

apparently he sang on a new Brian song called "He Come Down."  That's a pretty interesting title, no?

99% sure it is a cover of the Carl & The Passions song.

Man, I hope this album doesn't suck get ruined by too many hands in the pot and possible covers/outside participation.

[Wah Wah Wah Ooooo]

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-brian-wilson-jeff-beck-blondie-chaplin-tour-album-20130906,0,927430.story

Back to Blondie, since that's what this thread was about 8 pages ago...

apparently he sang on a new Brian song called "He Come Down."  That's a pretty interesting title, no?

99% sure it is a cover of the Carl & The Passions song.

Man, I hope this album doesn't suck get ruined by too many hands in the pot and possible covers/outside participation.

I know. I was under the impression BW had lots of new, original tunes to work on. Oh well. I do like that song if that's what it is.

[Nicko1234]

That is interesting news. If it is a cover then it will be tough for them to improve on the original.

A shame that they couldn't interview Brian and had to quote a 'spokesman'.

[Ted]

Won't last forever, as Mike once sang...

But the good times never have to end.

[Rocky Raccoon]

I doubt it's the same song.  I certainly hope not. 

Musically it's pretty catchy but lyrically it's another one of Mike's Maharishi love letters that I can't help but cringe at.

[Rocker]

I hope it's not a re-recording of the great Beach Boys record. I'm hoping for all new songs.

[Wirestone]

Would anyone be surprised if it was a remake? Brian's done it pretty consistently over his solo career. My bet is that he came up with a cool alternate approach and decided to ask Blondie to sing on it.

[Mikie]

If "He Come Down" is a cover of the C&TP original, I'm sure it's gonna be a good one! I've always liked that song and all they can do is make it better.

[Rocker]

If "He Come Down" is a cover of the C&TP original, I'm sure it's gonna be a good one! I've always liked that song and all they can do is make it better.

I disagree respectfully. Nothing can beat those harmonies!

[Mikie]

Well, since you disagreed respectfully........

The song has soul, brotha!! And who better to sing it than Blondie? I think it was a pre-cursor to "That Same Song". You know, a good one that could be sung in a church with a choir backing it up. I really like it!