Blondie Chaplin to Guest with BW on Some Dates

[The Shift]

Brett, Mike, Jeff, Probyn, Scott, Nick, Al, Dave, Blondie and Brian himself… I think this band could usefully employ another guitarist/bassist.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Also, consider the reverse scenario of Mike adding former members to his tour, and imagine the screams of outrage and accusations of 'bullying'.

Actually, no.  We didn't actually get screams of outrage when David Marks reappeared in 1997, or when Al Jardine did in 2011.[\quote]

Entirely different context.

Yet when Brian does it, sh*t, he's the best thing since sliced bread. Not that anyone here imagines for a moment it was ever Brian's idea, of course...

Whoever's idea it was to give Blondie Chaplin some recognition now, after leaving him out on the whole of 2012, deserves praise for fixing the oversight, surely?

Cheers,
Jon Blum

I'd love to think that was the sole motivation.

[Mikie]

Wonder what Steve Love thinks of this latest news.   

[SurfRiderHawaii]

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“AWESOME..! I also smell a lawsuit building.! BW + management could be building a strong case to take BB name away from Mike. Look what is happening. You got 4 BB in one band and 2 in another. And who has the rights to use The BEACH BOYS name.. WHOA.! Im not saying its gonna happen cause im sure they are tired of wasting money on lawyers..And I know they could vote Mike"s rights away also.. Lawsuit anyway from Mike.. So they are setting a precedent if it went to court. it would have to be settled out of court and force all parties to play ball together.

Mikie hasn't identified the OP but never mind. Not merely utter tosh but badly written and misleading tosh. Remember, when Mike tours the other three BRI members all get a nice sum for doing precisely nothing. You really think they're going to give that up for a point of artistic principal ?

Also, consider the reverse scenario of Mike adding former members to his tour, and imagine the screams of outrage and accusations of 'bullying'. Yet when Brian does it, sh*t, he's the best thing since sliced bread. Not that anyone here imagines for a moment it was ever Brian's idea, of course...

You always make out that Al, Brian and Carl's estate are swimming in buckets of $ from Mike's tours. Do have any specific information to back that up? For all we know, Brian gets $1000 for every MB show. A fortune to me but chump change for BW.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Also, consider the reverse scenario of Mike adding former members to his tour, and imagine the screams of outrage and accusations of 'bullying'.

Actually, no.  We didn't actually get screams of outrage when David Marks reappeared in 1997, or when Al Jardine did in 2011.

Yet when Brian does it, sh*t, he's the best thing since sliced bread. Not that anyone here imagines for a moment it was ever Brian's idea, of course...

Whoever's idea it was to give Blondie Chaplin some recognition now, after leaving him out on the whole of 2012, deserves praise for fixing the oversight, surely?

Cheers,
Jon Blum

And was it ML who prevented Blondie from appearing at even one C50 show?

[Nicko1234]

You always make out that Al, Brian and Carl's estate are swimming in buckets of $ from Mike's tours. Do have any specific information to back that up? For all we know, Brian gets $1000 for every MB show. A fortune to me but chump change for BW.

20% goes to B.R.I. for every show. Since 1998 how many shows have M&B done? 1500? Even if it were $1000 then that would still mean that Brian has picked up $1.5m for sitting at home. Not to be sniffed at.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

You always make out that Al, Brian and Carl's estate are swimming in buckets of $ from Mike's tours. Do have any specific information to back that up? For all we know, Brian gets $1000 for every MB show. A fortune to me but chump change for BW.

20% goes to B.R.I. for every show. Since 1998 how many shows have M&B done? 1500? Even if it were $1000 then that would still mean that Brian has picked up $1.5m for sitting at home. Not to be sniffed at.

And your source for the 20%? If true, I imagine Brian has scored well over $1.5 million. The terms of the license seem a well kept secret from what I see.

[Nicko1234]

And your source for the 20%? If true, I imagine Brian has scored well over $1.5 million. The terms of the license seem a well kept secret from what I see.

It's been well documented for a long time. Mike pays B.R.I. 20%. Al was asked to pay 17.5% but refused which is why he lost the license. It all came out during the court case at that time.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

And your source for the 20%? If true, I imagine Brian has scored well over $1.5 million. The terms of the license seem a well kept secret from what I see.

It's been well documented for a long time. Mike pays B.R.I. 20%. Al was asked to pay 17.5% but refused which is why he lost the license. It all came out during the court case at that time.

In a recent thread, these cases were well discussed. In addition, links to the lawsuits, including the rulings, were posted. I read each and every one and not one mention of any fees/% were given. I am not saying you are wrong but your "well documented" is not something one can hang your hat on. Cane you give one single reference for this documentation?

[Nicko1234]

In a recent thread, these cases were well discussed. In addition, links to the lawsuits, including the rulings, were posted. I read each and every one and not one mention of any fees/% were given. I am not saying you are wrong but your "well documented" is not something one can hang your hat on. Cane you give one single reference for this documentation?

Edit: Here's an article I stumbled upon. http://www.pricingforprofit.com/pricing-strategy-blog/what-s-value-beach-boys-brand.htm

'Here’s what I found: “The Beach Boys” is a registered trademark of Brothers Record Inc (BRI), which is a corporate entity equally owned (25% shares) by Brian Wilson, the estate of Carl Wilson, Mike Love, and Al Jardine. In 1998, after the death of Carl Wilson and amidst dissension in the band, BRI met to decide how “The Beach Boys” trademark should be used. As a result of this meeting, Mike Love agreed to pay a royalty on all of his gross concert revenues for the right to tour as “The Beach Boys.” C’mon, take a guess at how much the royalty rate is…Mr. Love agreed to pay a 20% royalty on the first $1 million in gross receipts and a 17.5% royalty thereafter. WOW…20% right off the top (before expenses)! I was surprised - that’s a lot of money especially since concert touring expenses are so high: managers and agents take percentages, it’s expensive to travel with a large band, and sound/light systems are costly. Of course, since Mike Love owns 25% of BRI, the net royalty he pays is 15%...but still, quite pricey.

Mike Love is a hard worker; at age 66 he performs approximately 150 live concerts per year globally (here’s a sample tour rider). As a result, both he and BRI have profited handsomely. Care to guess how much in total he has paid in royalties to tour as “The Beach Boys?” In a 2005 law suit, Mike contends that between 1998 and 2005, he paid over 11 million dollars in royalties to BRI. This means he has received gross payments of over 55 million dollars to sing “The Beach Boys” classic hits. It’s nice to be Mike Love.'

I think this confirms that Brian makes bucketloads from M&B's touring.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

In a recent thread, these cases were well discussed. In addition, links to the lawsuits, including the rulings, were posted. I read each and every one and not one mention of any fees/% were given. I am not saying you are wrong but your "well documented" is not something one can hang your hat on. Cane you give one single reference for this documentation?

I'll let you search through the board because honestly it has been mentioned dozens of times. I'm sure others including AGD can confirm this.

I thought so.

[Nicko1234]

I thought so.

Read the above post. I'm genuinely surprised (and I don't mean this in a patronizing way) that you haven't come across this info before as it is common knowledge.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

I thought so.

Read the above post. I'm genuinely surprised (and I don't mean this in a patronizing way) that you haven't come across this info before as it is common knowledge.

I am not surprised you cannot give one single reference for your claim. Maybe you missed me saying I recently read all the court rulings. If you have all this time to argue your unsubstantiated claim, you might take a little of it and give us a reference for your claim. I'd enjoy finding reading some facts on the license terms.

[Nicko1234]

I am not surprised you cannot give one single reference for your claim. Maybe you missed me saying I recently read all the court rulings. If you have all this time to argue your unsubstantiated claim, you might take a little of it and give us a reference for your claim. I'd enjoy finding reading some facts on the license terms.

I think you need to read the above post as I suggested which DOES have a link in it to the details.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

I am not surprised you cannot give one single reference for your claim. Maybe you missed me saying I recently read all the court rulings. If you have all this time to argue your unsubstantiated claim, you might take a little of it and give us a reference for your claim. I'd enjoy finding reading some facts on the license terms.

I think you need to read the above post as I suggested which DOES have a link in it to the details.

Well, typical you to edit your original post and add a link. Ha, ha. Excellent link and article! Thank you! Consider me edified.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I might not be Mr. Tact & Diplomacy now and then, but do you really think I'd be stupid enough to keep making this claim year after year on a forum I know BRI constantly monitor ? The court documents, as the article states, are easily retrieved. I did a very rough calculation a while back and the annual take for the other three BRI members was comfortably into six figures.

[Nicko1234]

If Mike's comments about paying $11m to BRI between 1998 and 2005 are accurate then presumably Brian, Al and Carl's estate have earned around $5m each by now.

As Mike currently seems fit and healthy and will want to tour for a while to come, they would be killing the golden goose to stop that.

[Wirestone]

Much less than I thought. Makes sense that Brian's folks are fighting for the license, then. 

[Nicko1234]

Much less than I thought. Makes sense that Brian's folks are fighting for the license, then.

Seriously? 

How much exactly were you expecting them to be getting each?

[Kurosawa]

In a recent thread, these cases were well discussed. In addition, links to the lawsuits, including the rulings, were posted. I read each and every one and not one mention of any fees/% were given. I am not saying you are wrong but your "well documented" is not something one can hang your hat on. Cane you give one single reference for this documentation?

Edit: Here's an article I stumbled upon. http://www.pricingforprofit.com/pricing-strategy-blog/what-s-value-beach-boys-brand.htm

'Here’s what I found: “The Beach Boys” is a registered trademark of Brothers Record Inc (BRI), which is a corporate entity equally owned (25% shares) by Brian Wilson, the estate of Carl Wilson, Mike Love, and Al Jardine. In 1998, after the death of Carl Wilson and amidst dissension in the band, BRI met to decide how “The Beach Boys” trademark should be used. As a result of this meeting, Mike Love agreed to pay a royalty on all of his gross concert revenues for the right to tour as “The Beach Boys.” C’mon, take a guess at how much the royalty rate is…Mr. Love agreed to pay a 20% royalty on the first $1 million in gross receipts and a 17.5% royalty thereafter. WOW…20% right off the top (before expenses)! I was surprised - that’s a lot of money especially since concert touring expenses are so high: managers and agents take percentages, it’s expensive to travel with a large band, and sound/light systems are costly. Of course, since Mike Love owns 25% of BRI, the net royalty he pays is 15%...but still, quite pricey.

Mike Love is a hard worker; at age 66 he performs approximately 150 live concerts per year globally (here’s a sample tour rider). As a result, both he and BRI have profited handsomely. Care to guess how much in total he has paid in royalties to tour as “The Beach Boys?” In a 2005 law suit, Mike contends that between 1998 and 2005, he paid over 11 million dollars in royalties to BRI. This means he has received gross payments of over 55 million dollars to sing “The Beach Boys” classic hits. It’s nice to be Mike Love.'

I think this confirms that Brian makes bucketloads from M&B's touring.

Yeah, and Al too. Al gets paid big time for Mike to sing Brian's songs.

That's pretty good work if you can get it.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

According to the article 20% on the fitst million, 17.5% thereafter. Course, that money goes to BRI which Mike owns 25% so, in essense, he gets back 25% net of what he pays in license fees.

Doing some math, for example, on $10 million MB annual gross. Mike pays $200, 000 on the first million and $1,575, 000 on the next $9 million. That totals $1, 775, 000 in fees. Say the net on that is 60% (taxes, expenses).  That's about a million bucks divided 4 ways. So Brian, Mike, Carl's estate and Al get $250, 000 before taxes.  So  that is probably $150, 000 each after taxes. Not chump change but not a fortune. I think Mike has a great deal.

[leggo of my ego]

Fabulous news all around.

...

And surely this thickens the plot around the naming rights, no? As someone stated, this now means that Brian's tour will feature twice as many Beach Boys as Mike's.

Yeah. So, who are "The Beach Boys" now?  

If no professionally shot video is done of the Blondie shows it will be a crime against humanity (and especially all of us who can not attend in person)

[Nicko1234]

According to the article 20% on the fitst million, 17.5% thereafter. Course, that money goes to BRI which Mike owns 25% so, in essense, he gets back 25% net of what he pays in license fees.

Doing some math, for example, on $10 million MB annual gross. Mike pays $200, 000 on the first million and $1,575, 000 on the next $9 million. That totals $1, 775, 000 in fees. Say the net on that is 60% (taxes, expenses).  That's about a million bucks divided 4 ways. So Brian, Mike, Carl's estate and Al get $250, 000 before taxes.  So  that is probably $150, 000 each after taxes. Not chump change but not a fortune. I think Mike has a great deal.

The author of that article felt differently and you can understand why. Mike pays out that 20% before expenses.

And it must be remembered that Al was offered the chance to use the group name for 17.5%. He offered 5%. That's how much of a good deal he thought it was.

[Robbie Mac]

In a recent thread, these cases were well discussed. In addition, links to the lawsuits, including the rulings, were posted. I read each and every one and not one mention of any fees/% were given. I am not saying you are wrong but your "well documented" is not something one can hang your hat on. Cane you give one single reference for this documentation?

Edit: Here's an article I stumbled upon. http://www.pricingforprofit.com/pricing-strategy-blog/what-s-value-beach-boys-brand.htm

'Here’s what I found: “The Beach Boys” is a registered trademark of Brothers Record Inc (BRI), which is a corporate entity equally owned (25% shares) by Brian Wilson, the estate of Carl Wilson, Mike Love, and Al Jardine. In 1998, after the death of Carl Wilson and amidst dissension in the band, BRI met to decide how “The Beach Boys” trademark should be used. As a result of this meeting, Mike Love agreed to pay a royalty on all of his gross concert revenues for the right to tour as “The Beach Boys.” C’mon, take a guess at how much the royalty rate is…Mr. Love agreed to pay a 20% royalty on the first $1 million in gross receipts and a 17.5% royalty thereafter. WOW…20% right off the top (before expenses)! I was surprised - that’s a lot of money especially since concert touring expenses are so high: managers and agents take percentages, it’s expensive to travel with a large band, and sound/light systems are costly. Of course, since Mike Love owns 25% of BRI, the net royalty he pays is 15%...but still, quite pricey.

Mike Love is a hard worker; at age 66 he performs approximately 150 live concerts per year globally (here’s a sample tour rider). As a result, both he and BRI have profited handsomely. Care to guess how much in total he has paid in royalties to tour as “The Beach Boys?” In a 2005 law suit, Mike contends that between 1998 and 2005, he paid over 11 million dollars in royalties to BRI. This means he has received gross payments of over 55 million dollars to sing “The Beach Boys” classic hits. It’s nice to be Mike Love.'

I think this confirms that Brian makes bucketloads from M&B's touring.

Yeah, and Al too. Al gets paid big time for Mike to sing Brian's songs.

That's pretty good work if you can get it.

Yes it is.

But what if Al, you know, actually wanted to, you know WORK for that and not just have it handed to him for nothing. Some people do want to be able to earn their keep.

[Kurosawa]

In a recent thread, these cases were well discussed. In addition, links to the lawsuits, including the rulings, were posted. I read each and every one and not one mention of any fees/% were given. I am not saying you are wrong but your "well documented" is not something one can hang your hat on. Cane you give one single reference for this documentation?

Edit: Here's an article I stumbled upon. http://www.pricingforprofit.com/pricing-strategy-blog/what-s-value-beach-boys-brand.htm

'Here’s what I found: “The Beach Boys” is a registered trademark of Brothers Record Inc (BRI), which is a corporate entity equally owned (25% shares) by Brian Wilson, the estate of Carl Wilson, Mike Love, and Al Jardine. In 1998, after the death of Carl Wilson and amidst dissension in the band, BRI met to decide how “The Beach Boys” trademark should be used. As a result of this meeting, Mike Love agreed to pay a royalty on all of his gross concert revenues for the right to tour as “The Beach Boys.” C’mon, take a guess at how much the royalty rate is…Mr. Love agreed to pay a 20% royalty on the first $1 million in gross receipts and a 17.5% royalty thereafter. WOW…20% right off the top (before expenses)! I was surprised - that’s a lot of money especially since concert touring expenses are so high: managers and agents take percentages, it’s expensive to travel with a large band, and sound/light systems are costly. Of course, since Mike Love owns 25% of BRI, the net royalty he pays is 15%...but still, quite pricey.

Mike Love is a hard worker; at age 66 he performs approximately 150 live concerts per year globally (here’s a sample tour rider). As a result, both he and BRI have profited handsomely. Care to guess how much in total he has paid in royalties to tour as “The Beach Boys?” In a 2005 law suit, Mike contends that between 1998 and 2005, he paid over 11 million dollars in royalties to BRI. This means he has received gross payments of over 55 million dollars to sing “The Beach Boys” classic hits. It’s nice to be Mike Love.'

I think this confirms that Brian makes bucketloads from M&B's touring.

Yeah, and Al too. Al gets paid big time for Mike to sing Brian's songs.

That's pretty good work if you can get it.

Yes it is.

But what if Al, you know, actually wanted to, you know WORK for that and not just have it handed to him for nothing. Some people do want to be able to earn their keep.

Well, that's extra money on top of what Al makes himself touring with Dave and Dean Torrence. Al stays busy.