Post Release MIC Track Discussion

[Mikie]

Idinat what Brian told Hal? 

[The Shift]

Just heard the new "It's OK" mix, albeit oin iPhone speakers so not the best listening experience. Sheds new light on the track – now I want to hear a totally stripped back vocals/handclaps only version!

[MBE]

This isn't quite the Hot Mix of Rock and Roll Music. I miss the whooshing sound effects between verses, kind of vacuum like. Still this MIC mix is good.

[Amazing Larry]

Anyone who easily has his/her fun spoiled by people who aren't very enthusiastic, please skip my post



Halfway through CD 1 now and I'm not impressed.


The master is sooo freaking loud, on half of the sounds every 'S' sound or snare hit the sound just distorts. It sounds like playing music with the pre-amp way too loud.  Also the stereo imaging is very wide.

The mix of Little Saint Nick is the worst I've heard so far. The sleighbells sound horrible.

I'm at track 26 now and my ears are getting tired from listening to the compression. It feels like i've been wearing headphones for hours.

It calms down a bit after the first disc, which is good, because if it didn't, I'd never listen to the set.

[hypehat]

I found the mastering to be very well done - I was listening to the CDs on a good system, but yeah. The only thing that struck me was the loud bass on the 65 and onwards cuts.

[Mitchell]

Certain tracks have audible compression and phasing, which is disappointing. It'd have been cool to hear all original mono to '68, then have it open up to stereo. Then add the first-time stereo tracks as a bonus.

[Rocky Raccoon]

"Sail On Sailor" certainly takes on a poignancy with Carl singing it.  Especially with the line "Stop the crying and the lying
and the sighing and my dying..." and knowing his condition at that time, my heart just sunk.  RIP Carl 

[anazgnos]

I love "Where Is She", but it's pretty indebeted to "She's Leaving Home", isn't it?

[runnersdialzero]

I love "Where Is She", but it's pretty indebeted to "She's Leaving Home", isn't it?

No.

[GhostyTMRS]

I love "Where Is She", but it's pretty indebeted to "She's Leaving Home", isn't it?

Have to agree with that. Brian lifted the melody line with the lyrics "She's leaving home after living alone for so many years" and built a song around it. Kind of interesting. Sort of like the breakdown in "Girl Don't Tell Me" aping "Ticket To Ride".

[Jim V.]

I love "Where Is She", but it's pretty indebeted to "She's Leaving Home", isn't it?

Have to agree with that. Brian lifted the melody line with the lyrics "She's leaving home after living alone for so many years" and built a song around it. Kind of interesting. Sort of like the breakdown in "Girl Don't Tell Me" aping "Ticket To Ride".

Yeah, it's somewhat like "She's Leaving Home", but so what? Brian made "Where Is She?" into his own thing and it's marvelous. Plus, he's good at taking other people's stuff and making it pretty incredible. "Surfin' U.S.A." anybody?

[runnersdialzero]

It's a melodic similarity in one section. Doesn't really warrant the assumption of Brian building the song around another. They're both very much their own songs, I'd hardly say it's "indebted" to the Beatles song.

[GhostyTMRS]

I never said it was bad. I pointed it out because it was interesting. There's nothing negative about doing it. Bob Dylan made a career out of it.

[c-man]

It's a melodic similarity in one section. Doesn't really warrant the assumption of Brian building the song around another. They're both very much their own songs, I'd hardly say it's "indebted" to the Beatles song.

Yeah, it's like the same four notes on an ascending line, that's it, that's where the musical similarities end.  There may be a lyrical similarity, in that both songs are about girls who have left, either permanently or temporarily, but that's really it. 

[TV Forces]

"When I Grow Up (To Be A Man)" here is listed as "2012 stereo mix" but it's not at all the same as the one on last year's mono/stereo 2-fer.

 

[Vegetable Man]

This set is great. I love just about everything. "Sherry She Needs Me" is wonderful. I'd never really listened to it carefully before, but that won't be the case anymore. "I Believe In Miracles" is mesmerizing. I could listen to it forever. All of the demo's ("Be With Me", "California Feelin'", "Surfin'", etc) are great. There isn't anything about WIBNTLA and "Where Is She?" that hasn't been said, so I'll just say they're very good. The remixes are good too ("Susie Cincinnati", "Do It Again") are just as good as the unreleased stuff. Everything is good, but that's where I'll stop for now. Great stuff indeed.

BTW, is Good Vibrations: 30 Years of The Beach Boys no longer on iTunes? I'm assuming that MiC has replaced it, because I couldn't find it earlier this evening.

[Wirestone]

It's a melodic similarity in one section. Doesn't really warrant the assumption of Brian building the song around another. They're both very much their own songs, I'd hardly say it's "indebted" to the Beatles song.

Yeah, it's like the same four notes on an ascending line, that's it, that's where the musical similarities end.  There may be a lyrical similarity, in that both songs are about girls who have left, either permanently or temporarily, but that's really it. 

I dunno ... given all we know about BW idolizing the Beatles (and Paul specifically), and given the fact that about half of the folks on this board made the connection upon hearing the song, I don't think it's a stretch at all to say that Brian's song owes a debt to Paul's. After all, lots of songs are written by rewriting old ones; it's a time-honored trick of the trade, and it sounds like Brian started fiddling around with a phrase or two from the earlier tune and expanded it into this.

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

It's a very facile comparison.  I've noticed that people like to do this.  Two songs might share a meter and a couple of the same notes in a similar sequence, and people want to compare them, but I agree with C-man.  Just cuz they're both in triple meter and have six notes in common in their melodies does not really make them that much alike.  Certainly nothing more than a passing intersection.

[Smile4ever]

I was never a huge fan of the Beach Boys rendition of this song (or the approach of "15 Big Ones" in general), but I liked the updated mix of "Rock n Roll Music." It seemed to add more life to the song.

[The Shift]

It's a very facile comparison.  I've noticed that people like to do this.  Two songs might share a meter and a couple of the same notes in a similar sequence, and people want to compare them, but I agree with C-man.  Just cuz they're both in triple meter and have six notes in common in their melodies does not really make them that much alike.  Certainly nothing more than a passing intersection.

Facile or no, the folks here aren't the only ones who'll make the link. Played the tune for my partner the other day (she's not a fan but aPpreciates their better stuff) hopin to impress her - she just muttered "rip-off of She's Leaving Home…". Very unexpected…

[runnersdialzero]

y people gotta Beatles-sh*t all over everything

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

It's a very facile comparison.  I've noticed that people like to do this.  Two songs might share a meter and a couple of the same notes in a similar sequence, and people want to compare them, but I agree with C-man.  Just cuz they're both in triple meter and have six notes in common in their melodies does not really make them that much alike.  Certainly nothing more than a passing intersection.

Facile or no, the folks here aren't the only ones who'll make the link. Played the tune for my partner the other day (she's not a fan but aPpreciates their better stuff) hopin to impress her - she just muttered "rip-off of She's Leaving Home…". Very unexpected…

My daughter pointed it out today! She took it as being a shout-out, for what it's worth.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Brian probably wrote the song in '66 and Paul stole it off him

Like I said to Paul when I met him at the Smile premier in '04 "You're here to steal the rest of it, knobhead?"

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Supposedly this 'alternate mix' of It's Ok is the 1974 version track-wise and the backups may be of similar vintage. I dunno.

R&R Music...wow. Was this the 'Brian mix' of the song that Carl supposedly vetoed? The falsetto part shows that there really wasn't much difference between Brian in 1974 and in 1976 as far as vocal quality, and that some of the gruffness was put-on.

Boo-Hiss to using auto-tune on 'Sherry She Needs Me'. And to my ears YLTLF sounds a lot like my treatment of it. Just saying.

Finally great to hear Carl in the RIGHT DAMN SPEED on 'It's Over Now'. It's funny, but that happened to a LOT of his vocals of this period ('Everybody Wants To Live Just Once' is another good example)

[Quzi]

I love "Where Is She", but it's pretty indebeted to "She's Leaving Home", isn't it?

No.

Yes.

- The Beach Boys released the only good thing he ever did when the Beatles made all of their other songs suck with Rubber Soul (it's okay, but overrated. worst Beatles album>Pet Sounds)
- Hearing the greatest track to ever be released in the history of music a.k.a. Strawberry Fields Forever drove their leader crazy.
- Brian Jones started writing Smile to beat Sgt. Pepper but junked it and went to bed for 40 years when John Lennon phoned him from England and said "I'm better than you"

Read between the lines dungbrain. It makes perfect sense that when in bed Brian would grow jealous/obsessed with the amazingness of the Beatles which would make him want to try rip off their work to save his band who after 1966 sold a grand total of four records worldwide. Get a music education, idiot.

Look, I'm going to go masturbate to side two of Yellow Submarine but you can email me at xXtHE-be4tleS.inVent3d.r0ck'n'RoLLxx@hotmail.com if you have any questions/think I'm wrong (lol as if)