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« on: June 18, 2013, 03:34:34 PM »

Seen these on other forums. Figured I'd start one here. Don't try to kill each other ok?  LOL
-I've never heard Summer of Paradise but I have a hard time believing it's worse then Beach Boys 85. Aside from Getcha Back...dear god.
-I...kinda like I Just Got My Pay over Marcella.
-I like When Girls Get Together...but it is one of the weakest early 70's tracks for sure. Ditto Endless Summer.
-Love You is great...but there are some REALLY weak tracks on there.
-Speaking of that, Good Time is VERY underrated.
-As a Beach Boys album, M.I.U stinks...but I love it as an easy listening album (especially Come Go with Me)
-Mt. Vernon and Fairway is better without Jack Riley's narration.
-SMiLE's version of Wind Chimes is better then Smiley Smile's but Smiley's has a better tag.
-Little Pad is another VERY underrated song and the stereo version blew my mind!  LOL
-Sunflower is a CLOSE second to Pet Sounds. I may even consider it #1 but some songs are really bad (Got to Know the Woman especially)
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2013, 03:56:49 PM »

Damn. Those are even more unpopular than the New York Mets!
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2013, 04:12:16 PM »

"Does anyone actually like that surf and cars sh*t they did before Pet Sounds?"

"Pacific Ocean Blue sounds like the soundtrack to a Michael Mann movie"

"If mike love had only stayed in rishikesh pumping gas and selling it to the Beatles, Brian might have been able to finish smile in time to play Monterey and change the course of musical history with his ahead of its time 3 movement prog opera."

"Carl's voice really grates."



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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2013, 04:34:12 PM »

Seen these on other forums. Figured I'd start one here. Don't try to kill each other ok?  LOL
-I've never heard Summer of Paradise but I have a hard time believing it's worse then Beach Boys 85. Aside from Getcha Back...dear god.
-I...kinda like I Just Got My Pay over Marcella.
-I like When Girls Get Together...but it is one of the weakest early 70's tracks for sure. Ditto Endless Summer.
-Love You is great...but there are some REALLY weak tracks on there.
-Speaking of that, Good Time is VERY underrated.
-As a Beach Boys album, M.I.U stinks...but I love it as an easy listening album (especially Come Go with Me)
-Mt. Vernon and Fairway is better without Jack Riley's narration.
-SMiLE's version of Wind Chimes is better then Smiley Smile's but Smiley's has a better tag.
-Little Pad is another VERY underrated song and the stereo version blew my mind!  LOL
-Sunflower is a CLOSE second to Pet Sounds. I may even consider it #1 but some songs are really bad (Got to Know the Woman especially)

I don't know if any one of those is actually an unpopular Beach Boys opinion. I think most members of the board would agree with you on most of those. Excepting the SIP one. And maybe IJGMP vs. Marcella ...
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2013, 04:56:02 PM »

* SMILE is overrated, especially compared to Smiley (except 'Good Vibrations')

* Adult Child is a lost classic

* The greatest missing link in the Beach Boys story is the scrapped Manson recordings

* the stereo Pet Sounds is weird

* TWGMTR is a sham

* Keepin the Summer Alive is a masterpiece compared to anything that came after, except the Paley sessions

* The Beach Boys died in 1983

* Brian Wilson hasn't really produced an album since FRIENDS

* Brian Wilson hasn't really produced a track since 'Break Away'

* Brian Wilson cannot legitimately approve a stereo mix
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2013, 05:17:44 PM »

 Some  interesting postulations, DonnyL.

 Please elaborate on the stereo mix of PET SOUNDS being "weird." I've had the same feeling yet never managed to articulate it.

 I definitely believe Brian Wilson produced all those versions of "Shortenin' Bread", long after "Break Away."

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 Carl Wilson's singing on parts of WILD HONEY verges on shrill.

 The studio version of "Funky Pretty" is a dud.

 L.A. (Light Album) would be a minor classic if just a couple of songs were deleted/added.

 "Student Demonstration Time" isn't half bad. It is rock & roll, at least.

"Please Let Me Wonder" is overrated.
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2013, 05:34:04 PM »

Gotta say, I actually like MIU. (Yeah, the whole album) Brian's voice sounds really good and young on it.

In fact, I'm willing to say that his high range didn't really change in tone at all until at least '79. Maybe it got a little bit more wobbly in pitch, but in tone I don't think his high range on, say, Love You, is any worse than it is Sunflower, for example. I think his midrange was what was first to take the plunge, and even that had corrected itself by MIU, because as I said, his leads are awesome on that.

Little Pad is my favourite Smiley Smile song (well, outside of H&V and Good Vibrations but they don't count).

I like John Stamos's lead on Forever on SIP (Definitely not even close to as good as Dennis' though)

Oh, and I like KTSA.
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2013, 05:37:29 PM »

Sunflower is boring.

Brian Wilson is great- but nonetheless over-rated and lazy...

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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2013, 06:02:07 PM »


I like John Stamos's lead on Forever on SIP (Definitely not even close to as good as Dennis' though)



I like Stamos' vocal, too. However, I never got the comparison with the lead vocals. The arrangements for both "Forever" versions are too different, and Dennis' and Stamos' voices aren't similar enough to compare. I know a lot of people don't like the SIP version of "Forever", but I think it contains one of the most emotional parts that Carl Wilson ever sang. Actually, the unpopularity of SIP also hides the fact that the album is one of Carl's finest - vocally, IMO of course.
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2013, 06:22:42 PM »

Don't care much for Dennis Wilson or his music.

Pet Sounds is better without Sloop John B.

TWGMTR is their best album since Surf's Up.

That Lucky Old Sun was pretty bad. Spoken word bits were an embarrassment.

Dance Dance Dance is one of their greatest records.

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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2013, 06:27:32 PM »

I agree with 85 being pretty close to SIP except Getcha Back
Good Time is underrated
MIU is a good mor background LP
I agree the Smile Wind Chimes is better except for the tag
Little Pad is cool
Sunflower is right at the top for me, but Got To Know The Woman is hardly the weakest moment. Not even close.
Adult Child is not a lost classic, but I like it way more than Love You

Stereo Pet Sounds isn't "weird" just not needed.

The Beach Boys died in 1983 is true in a way

Brian has produced LP's since Friends, and 45's since Break Away, but they do mark the end of his total leadership.

The stereo thing is pretty true, Brian told me that himself. He likes some of the results as far how well he can hear them, but can't tell stereo from mono.
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2013, 06:29:12 PM »

Don't care much for Dennis Wilson or his music.

Pet Sounds is better without Sloop John B.

TWGMTR is their best album since Surf's Up.

That Lucky Old Sun was pretty bad. Spoken word bits were an embarrassment.

Dance Dance Dance is one of their greatest records.


TWGMTR is my favorite group LP since Holland. TLOS is really good but the spoken parts....not so much. Dance x 3 is a great record.
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2013, 06:30:21 PM »

Gotta say, I actually like MIU. (Yeah, the whole album) Brian's voice sounds really good and young on it.


Glad to see there are more and more here who like this album. I think it's a pretty good, very unappreciated album.
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2013, 06:36:40 PM »

Stereo Pet Sounds isn't "weird" just not needed.
I guess it must be a result of my growing up in a stereo-oriented world, but I much prefer the stereo mix to the mono mix.
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2013, 06:53:41 PM »

^Same here.
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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2013, 07:04:10 PM »

Thirded. Though, I don't always prefer a stereo mix just because it's in stereo. PS in mono (on a decent system) is muddy and dull. Plus, the Everly Bros tape bleedthrough on IWFTD and the chatter on Here Today seal the deal....
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2013, 07:09:57 PM »

^Same here.


After years of deliberation I decided the mono is the one for me- listen to IJWMFTT at .05 seconds in on mono and you hear a strange organ wash type sound... it is nowhere to be found on stereo...the bass sucks on LGAFA, obviously BW's double tracked vocal is missing on YSBIM, and all the background chatter adds to the feel of the music IMO...

All well, not to derail this thread, I will say-

Dennis' vocal kinda sucks on In the Back of My Mind, and Brian's decision to have him sing the lead to that is worse...imagine the possibilities of the harmonies over the bridge section, a Carl lead vocal, the guys trading off parts...such a great song and a blah kinda vocal line...
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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2013, 07:11:50 PM »

Fourthed-PS came alive in 1996.
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2013, 07:15:36 PM »

I guess my truly unpopular opinions are as follows --

Brian Wilson related

-- Brian is much more in control of his solo career than the doubters believe.
-- Brian manipulates Melinda (into doing his dirty work) far more than the other way around
-- Brian's production and writing credits post-1980 are generally deserved and appropriate (not saying they always are, just in the main)
-- GIOMH is a truly solid record
-- Joe Thomas is one of Brian's best recent songwriting collaborators
-- Jeff does a consistently nice job on the falsetto parts

Beach Boys related

-- The single version of HMR is one of the best things they ever did
-- Break Away does not sound like hit
-- Lots of Pet Sounds just sounds too alike for my tastes
-- I really dig many of the 15BO arrangements and vocals. They're nutty, but in a fun way.
-- Carl had approximately two good songs in him.
-- Dennis had a couple more.
-- Al has -- at the present time -- more of an idea of how to make a classic-sounding Beach Boys record than any other member of the band. Postcards just sounds right.
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2013, 07:53:33 PM »

Thirded. Though, I don't always prefer a stereo mix just because it's in stereo. PS in mono (on a decent system) is muddy and dull.
Exactly, there are some really terrible stereo mixes and really good mono mixes, but in PS' case this is certainly the opposite.
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2013, 08:02:34 PM »

Thirded. Though, I don't always prefer a stereo mix just because it's in stereo. PS in mono (on a decent system) is muddy and dull. Plus, the Everly Bros tape bleedthrough on IWFTD and the chatter on Here Today seal the deal....

Everly Bleedthrough? Where's that?
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2013, 08:13:15 PM »

Fan opinions and ratings of songs and albums seem to rise and fall cyclically, what was undisputed truth ten years ago is now "disproved."

So some Now unpopular opinions:

Mike had much to do with Smile's demise.

Sound of Free was Mike's last good lyric.

I agree that Al has a better sense of what makes a Beach Boys sounding record than anyone in the group - and he proved that on MIU.  But unlike Carl or Brian or Dennis, Al's production is always derivative rather than innovative.

The stereo mix of Pet Sounds is a better way to appreciate Brian's production genius than the rushed, muddy, mistake filled mono mix.

The Al produced Cottonfields single is markedly inferior to Brian's 20/20 version.

Disney Girls is way overrated - it's just as schlocky as Bruce's other songs.






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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2013, 08:16:47 PM »

Damn. Those are even more unpopular than the New York Mets!

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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2013, 08:30:28 PM »

Some unpopular opinions of mine:

Dennis wasn't as good a songwriter as many Beach Boys fans make him out to be.
Ricky and Blondie did not make meaningful contributions to the group, at all.
On that note, Holland is a bad album. Not because it's incompetent, but because it is boring.
Love You is the best Beach Boys album after Pet Sounds.
Pet Sounds, though, is the only essential Beach Boys LP.
Beach Boy music is actually good for the beach, barbeques, and cruises.

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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2013, 08:40:03 PM »

Thirded. Though, I don't always prefer a stereo mix just because it's in stereo. PS in mono (on a decent system) is muddy and dull. Plus, the Everly Bros tape bleedthrough on IWFTD and the chatter on Here Today seal the deal....

Everly Bleedthrough? Where's that?

The mono mix of I'm Waiting For The Day has faint sounds of The Everly Brothers' "(You Got) The Power Of Love" - you can mainly hear it in the first verse. This is not present on the stereo remix at all. Must have been the tape they used for the mono mixdown.
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