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[AndrewHickey]

What would really surprise me would for Mike to grow a set and go out using his name only as does Waters, Ringo to name a few. He has talked his contribution to the group up for decades so it would be his chance to prove it.

The difference is, everyone knows who Ringo Starr is, and most people know who Roger Waters is. Pretty much no-one knows Mike Love's name.

He *could* probably get audiences as "Mike Love's Beach Boys" or "Mike Love and Bruce Johnston of The Beach Boys" or that kind of thing -- but half the time promoters would just bill a show like that as "the Beach Boys" anyway.

[Pretty Funky]

Nah, they've done it since Carl passed

Like today!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5AhcMhze1Q

[Pretty Funky]

What would really surprise me would for Mike to grow a set and go out using his name only as does Waters, Ringo to name a few. He has talked his contribution to the group up for decades so it would be his chance to prove it.

The difference is, everyone knows who Ringo Starr is, and most people know who Roger Waters is. Pretty much no-one knows Mike Love's name.

He *could* probably get audiences as "Mike Love's Beach Boys" or "Mike Love and Bruce Johnston of The Beach Boys" or that kind of thing -- but half the time promoters would just bill a show like that as "the Beach Boys" anyway.

The thing is Andrew, at least they grew a set and tried. Waters especially took a gamble. It would be like if Brian went out in the 90s touring PS under his own name while Mike, Al, Carl and Bruce were still active.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

[quote autihor=Shady link=topic=14478.msg359252#msg359252 date=1364079176]
I still think "The Mike and Bruce experience" is the right choice.

You would expect cheerleaders at a show like that

They haven't done the cheerleading thing since before Carl died, I think...
[/quote]

Huh?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=hJIlUgqAiNY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhJIlUgqAiNY

[AndrewHickey]

[quote autihor=Shady link=topic=14478.msg359252#msg359252 date=1364079176]
I still think "The Mike and Bruce experience" is the right choice.

You would expect cheerleaders at a show like that

They haven't done the cheerleading thing since before Carl died, I think...

Huh?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=hJIlUgqAiNY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhJIlUgqAiNY

[/quote]

Yep, it's already been pointed out to me how completely wrong I was about that. Obviously all the people I know who'd told me about shows they'd been to over the years had just been lucky...

[SurfRiderHawaii]

[quote autihor=Shady link=topic=14478.msg359252#msg359252 date=1364079176]
I still think "The Mike and Bruce experience" is the right choice.

You would expect cheerleaders at a show like that

They haven't done the cheerleading thing since before Carl died, I think...

Huh?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=hJIlUgqAiNY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhJIlUgqAiNY

Yep, it's already been pointed out to me how completely wrong I was about that. Obviously all the people I know who'd told me about shows they'd been to over the years had just been lucky...
[/quote]

Andrew,  I'm just "Taking tthe mick', Joshing ya. Like AGD says, gotta have some fun on the board. Seems liie every news report I ever see covering the Bruce/Mike show, they have chheerleaders. Which is a USA thing, obviously they wouldn't have them for a UK show. Gotta give the Mike/Bruce credit, the cheerleaders are always cute.

[Shady]

Nah, they've done it since Carl passed

Like today!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5AhcMhze1Q

Somebody pass me a bucket

Scott Totten could not look stupider

[Pretty Funky]

Nah, they've done it since Carl passed

Like today!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5AhcMhze1Q

Somebody pass me a bucket

Scott Totten could not look stupider

http://www.beachboysband.net/PHOTOGAL/Beach%20Boys%20Beloit,WI%207-13-08/(FAV)Beach%20Boys50.jpg

[The Shift]

Nah, they've done it since Carl passed

Like today!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5AhcMhze1Q

Somebody pass me a bucket

Scott Totten could not look stupider

http://www.beachboysband.net/PHOTOGAL/Beach%20Boys%20Beloit,WI%207-13-08/(FAV)Beach%20Boys50.jpg

Nah, Scott does a good job adapting to habitat.

And for all those who claim Bruce just adjusts his mic and claps and makes f***-all else contribution, eat your words - he can clearly be seen throwing a towel into the audience in that clip. Simon Cowell should watch and learn…

[Kurosawa]

All 4 licensee holders cheapen the legacy IMO and it is a bit rich to then bleat about it after the fact. As has been stated many times, Brian and Al seem to be happy cashing Mike's checks even if they claim to be wanting to continue touring.

Despite what Bruce said at Seaworld about he and Mike being the Beach Boys, I have since 1998 thought of them as a Mike Love show in everything but name. Mike doesn't seem to complain (in public at least) about paying whatever for the rights, just as Brian, Al and Carls estate don't complain about getting the checks.

What would really surprise me would for Mike to grow a set and go out using his name only as does Waters, Ringo to name a few. He has talked his contribution to the group up for decades so it would be his chance to prove it.

No chance. Mike feels he has all rights to the name-not just legally, but ethically. To Mike, he's the guy who has led the band onstage and has been there the whole time. He has just as big an ego as Roger Waters, but in a different way. Roger wanted to out-Floyd Floyd. Mike is happy as hell playing Seaworld as long as he doesn't have to put up with people slobbering over Brian and Al being a pest.

If you look at it from Mike's POV, he has a point of sorts.

[Andrew G. Doe]

The money from M&B cannot be that great if they tour small casinos along with paying the band.

According to the court cases between BRI and Al Jardine in 1999, Mike's license requires him to pay BRI "a royalty of 20 percent of the first $1 million and 17.5 percent of receipts thereafter."

I've seen people here say they'd been in touch about booking Mike & Bruce's band, and were told that their performance fee was $100,000 . I've not been able to find a confirmation of that, but this site -- http://www.celebritytalent.net/sampletalent/114/the-beach-boys/ -- claims to be able to book Al and David for $75,000+, so $100,000 is probably roughly right. I've no idea how some of the smaller venues pay that, but that's their business, I suppose.

So assuming Mike & Bruce play 150 shows in a year, that's $15,000,000, of which $2,650,000 goes to BRI, assuming the same license terms as in 1999. Brian would make songwriting royalties on top of that (as would Al for those dates where they play All This Is That). Split between the four owners of BRI, that's $662,500 a year each.

If anyone wants to pay me $662,500 a year to stay at home while they go to work, I'll accept the offer...

Those figures are close to fifteen years and one license renewal out of date, with all that this implies: given inflation I'm guessing you could at least double it. And please, can we stop with this 150-shows-a-year crap ? The Beach Boys, since 1962, have NEVER played that many. Much closer to 100, which is still hugely impressive. The average for all shows 1962-2000 is in the mid-90s. The peak in those years was 1987, with 147 shows.

[Andrew G. Doe]

*sigh* I can't believe you are happy about going back to the status-quo. Why do you want the group to stay divided, M&B aren't a good representation of the BBs sound anymore after seeing what the C50 did. The money from M&B cannot be that great if they tour small casinos along with paying the band. The remaining money is then divided four ways in BRI. I guess M&B will tour until they die at this point.

The group should make albums without touring together if BW still wants to make records under the BBs name.

Again, the inference here is that they only play casinos and the like, and that's just not the case - they play a goodly percentage of concert halls. Here's the April/May listed dates, non casino/state fair/amusement park gigs highlighted:

April 4 — Westbury, NY (NYCB Theatre at Westbury)*
April 5 — Sewell, NJ (TD Bank Arts Center)*
April 6 — Morristown, NJ (Community Theatre at Mayo Performing Arts Center)*
April 7 — Lancaster, PA (American Music Theater)*
April 8 — Greensburg, PA (The Palace Theater in Greensburg)*
April 20 — Phoenix, AZ (Sun Valley)*
May 1 — Prince Albert, SK (E.A. Rawlinson Centre for the Arts)*
May 2 — Regina, SK (Casino Regina Show Lounge)*
May 3 — Edmonton, AB (River Cree Resort and Casino)*
May 4 — Ft. McMurray, AB (McDonald Island Park)*
May 10 — Ivins, UT (Tuacahan Amphitheatre)*
May 11 — Las Vegas, NV (Cannery Casino Hotel)*
May 12 — Flagstaff, AZ (Pepsi Amphitheater at Fort Tuthill Park, 4 p.m.)*
May 17-18 — Tulsa, OK (River Spirit Casino)*
May 19 — Salina, KS (Stiefel Theater for the Performing Arts)*
May 24 — Norfolk, NE (Divots Event Center)*
May 25 — Council Bluffs, IA (River's Edge Park, evening, free show)
May 25 — Omaha, NE (Theater)*

Once more, the facts are being manipulated to suit an end. As a tolerably conscientious historian, I'm not thrilled with that. Mike & Bruce play casinos - they're cheapening the brand. Brian plays casinos... that's cool. Check out this list of dates:

12 - Caesar's Tahoe, Stateline NV
13 - Caesar's Tahoe, Stateline NV
14 - Caesar's Tahoe, Stateline NV
15 - Caesar's Tahoe, Stateline NV
18 - Caesars Palace, Las Vegas NV
19 - Caesars Palace, Las Vegas NV
20 - Caesars Palace, Las Vegas NV
21 - Caesars Palace, Las Vegas NV
22 - Caesars Palace, Las Vegas NV
23 - Caesars Palace, Las Vegas NV

That was for February... 1987. And they returned to the Palace in August for another six nights, and Tahoe for a further four... then back to the Palace in October for six more nights. September that same year:

  2 - Illinois State Fair, Du Quoin IL
  3 - Poplar Creek, Chicago IL [w/Marshal Crenshaw]
  4 - Allentown Fair, Allentown PA
  5 - Performing Arts Center, Saratoga NY [w/Marshall Crenshaw]
  5 - Sands, Atlantic City NJ
  6 - Sands, Atlantic City NJ
  7 - Cawley Memorial Stadium, Lowell RI [w/Michael McDonald]
  7 - Merriweather Post Pavilion, Columbia MD [w/Marshall Crenshaw]d Control]
18 - Boise ID
19 - Puyallup Fair, Puyallup WA [2 shows]
20 - Puyallup Fair, Puyallup WA
23 - Northrop Auditorium, Minneapolis MN
24 - University Of Iowa, Iowa City IA [w/Sawyer Brown]
25 - Oklahoma State Fair, Oklahoma City OK
26 - Astrodome, Houston TX
26 - Six Flags, Arlington, Dallas TX
29 - New Mexico State U, Las Cruces NM
30 - Brigham Young University, Provo UT [w/The Kingsmen]

... and this was after Carl had returned. Point is, the band were playing shitloads of so-called brand-damaging dates long before 1998.

 

[SurfRiderHawaii]

The Sands and Caesars are classy venues. I don't think there is anything wrong with a classy casino. Problem with Mike/Bruce is they play dive casinos. Such as the Chinook Windd Casino. It's a venue where washed up rocker and country artists play on the Oregon Coast. A much better venue/casino which is more centrally located and 5 times bigger is Spirit Mountain Casino.

[Andrew G. Doe]

You're ignoring my bigger point - that M&B don't exclusively play casinos - and suddenly, it matters what kind of casino, I see. As I said in another thread - I love the sound of furious back-peddling in the morning... 

[The Shift]

Back to the thread title and subsequent discussions…

Since C50 ended David's released a new album, Brian's back in the studio and the two if them with Al have started to book dates. Mike and Bruce have a string of dates booked.

The only sad losers who haven't moved on and wish it could be 2012 forever is our community here. Let's appreciate the past for what it was, not for how it didn't drag on.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

You're ignoring my bigger point - that M&B don't exclusively play casinos - and suddenly, it matters what kind of casino, I see. As I said in another thread - I love the sound of furious back-peddling in the morning...  

Guess you haven't had your coffee. No, they play some nice gigs. If you had bothered to read my "casino" posts on the other thread, which you did and now ignore, I said the same there. Nothing wrong with casinos. Just dumpy ones and the Bruce/Mike show play lots of them. It is truly embarrassing to see them play some of these places.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Back to the thread title and subsequent discussions…

Since C50 ended David's released a new album, Brian's back in the studio and the two if them with Al have started to book dates. Mike and Bruce have a string of dates booked.

The only sad losers who haven't moved on and wish it could be 2012 forever is our community here. Let's appreciate the past for what it was, not for how it didn't drag on.

I think calling board members "sad losers" is not a comment condusive to produvtive discussion. Kinda of a funny comment on a board mainly devoted to yesteryear and music mostly 40-50 years old.

But I do agree, time has moved on. Things like thebeachboys.com - classy. Mike and Bruce headlining Humphreys by the Sea in San Diego, great gig. Dive casinos, don't like it.

[SMiLE Brian]

Got agree with surf rider, I cannot believe some people want a washed up touring act over the real group making albums and touring.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Not a matter of wanting, more of making do with what's available. C50 is over. Not going to happen again. Best get used to it.

[SMiLE Brian]

Its the BBs, anything could happen since they did actually reunite and release smile....

So a 2013 album or EP could happen, though I wonder how many TWGMTR outtakes and other material there is.

[The Shift]

Aye, anything could happen but haven't we spent enough time speculating about what might, and taken our eyes off what IS happening?

[AndrewHickey]

Those figures are close to fifteen years and one license renewal out of date, with all that this implies: given inflation I'm guessing you could at least double it.

Yeah, I expected as much. They were the only publicly-available figures I could get hold of, and definitely suggested that the touring band bring in a reasonable amount of money.

And please, can we stop with this 150-shows-a-year crap ? The Beach Boys, since 1962, have NEVER played that many. Much closer to 100, which is still hugely impressive. The average for all shows 1962-2000 is in the mid-90s. The peak in those years was 1987, with 147 shows.

Fair enough. I've seen the 150 number all over the place and never thought to question it. I'll remember better in future. 100 shows would still bring in a *lot* of money for BRI though...

[SMiLE Brian]

Nah, they've done it since Carl passed

Like today!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5AhcMhze1Q

Somebody pass me a bucket

Scott Totten could not look stupider

I wonder what Scott and John think about touring smaller venues again after C50. Scott's role of musical director was a big part of why C50 was successful.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Joint MD...

[Cam Mott]

You're ignoring my bigger point - that M&B don't exclusively play casinos - and suddenly, it matters what kind of casino, I see. As I said in another thread - I love the sound of furious back-peddling in the morning...  

Guess you haven't had your coffee. No, they play some nice gigs. If you had bothered to read my "casino" posts on the other thread, which you did and now ignore, I said the same there. Nothing wrong with casinos. Just dumpy ones and the Bruce/Mike show play lots of them. It is truly embarrassing to see them play some of these places.

The fans at these casinos might disagree with you.