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[SMiLE Brian]

Brian isn't touring as the BBs.


M&B have the BBs name and still tour crappy venues. They could do better, but that isn't how Mike Love operates.

[EgoHanger1966]

Can we not have every thread turn into some sort of M&B vs. C50 debate? With the lack of actual news of product, lately everyone has been getting so pissy, and it seems it's just for the sake of it.

For years, an actual reunion was all we were waiting for, we got it, and now we're incessantly whining about how they aren't doing it again the next year. Things are what they are...if there's another reunion, there will be one....everyone involved knows the demand is there.

Don't like the venues M&B are playing? Don't like that this incarnation exists at all? DON'T GO TO SEE THEM!!!! Other side of the coin, you like them? Pay your money and support them. It's really that simple. Moaning and sobbing on a message board for either side does nothing.

[SMiLE Brian]

Good point Ego, that is why I created the "TWGMTR follow-up" thread.

[Cam Mott]

You could look at it as the very hallmark of BeachBoyism. A Populist tradition the Boys have followed all through their career. Going where the fans are whether snooty or common, high brow or low brow. I'm sure the Boys could limit themselves to snooty venues and pretend they are some uber-fan elitist wetdream arena band but that isn't the brand, that wouldn't be very BeachBoy would it.

I suggest we all get over ourselves and allow the legacy to roll on, which I'm sure it will do just as it has, with us or without us.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Course, if their nostalgia tour can't get into nicer venues, that explains why they play dumps.

They can and do - Lancaster's American Music Theater is a very nice venue and they play there regularly. Longwood Gardens in Kennett Square PA is a very classy open air venue in the "Chateau country" of the lower Delaware valley (Du Pont hangout).

See, you're doing it again, and someone new to this forum (may God save their mortal soul) would get the distinct impression that Mike & Bruce only play downscale venues. The way you're expertly twisting, bending and flat-out ignoring the facts tell me you have a great future in politics, or public relations.

Some people new to the board might get the distinct impression you argue with people without reading what they have to say.

One has to wonder why you so strongly defend the fact that the Mike/Bruce tour general play the washed out rocker tour along with the likes of Smash Mouth and Sugar Ray. Some say Brian will no longer talk to you and you have now become a pasty for Bruce, who is the only guy talking to you. Just what I hear AGD.

I must say you are doing your credibility no good for even defending M/B for these shows.

Au contraire, because I can see both sides of the coin, and not simply cherry-pick the info that supports any bias I may project, I find new doors opening.

As for those mysterious, mythical "some say", they're feeding you duff info, for Brian has never "talked" to me (in the sense you're implying) in the first place. But, seeing as you claimed you'd met me when it turns out you've not, I think I'm entitled to cast doubt on the veracity of your statement here.    I just love it when someone tells me something about myself that just isn't true, especially in a public forum for the express purpose of trying to make me look silly... because what happens is that person ends up looking exceedingly foolish. As my friend's children would say, epic fail. 

Never, ever, ever ever claimed I have met you. As it seems more often these days, you have me confused with someone else or misread a post.

. I certainly don't have to try and make you look silly. You lose your temper and do thst often enough yourself.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

You don't like a certain casino or the people who patronize it. Fair enough. But SmileBrian, Surfrider and whoever else ...you seem to feel like someone who goes to those casinos should be punished! They do stuff you don't like, so they do not 'deserve' good music.

What's next for the Bruce/Mike show, high school reunions and Proms? Don't they deserve good music?

This isn't the Dave Clark Five or Turtles we are talking about. It's the Beach Boyd. Considered one of the grestest bands of all time. Inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame right next to the Beatles.

The C50 was a master stroke of marketing and promotion. The band showed everyone they still had it and did much to restore the luster to their legacy.  So if Mike is going to take his license and tour as The Beach Boys, my opinion is that he do it in such a way the preserves the legacy.  Instead, he has made his act almost a parody of the real thing.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Course, if their nostalgia tour can't get into nicer venues, that explains why they play dumps.

They can and do - Lancaster's American Music Theater is a very nice venue and they play there regularly. Longwood Gardens in Kennett Square PA is a very classy open air venue in the "Chateau country" of the lower Delaware valley (Du Pont hangout).

See, you're doing it again, and someone new to this forum (may God save their mortal soul) would get the distinct impression that Mike & Bruce only play downscale venues. The way you're expertly twisting, bending and flat-out ignoring the facts tell me you have a great future in politics, or public relations.

Some people new to the board might get the distinct impression you argue with people without reading what they have to say.

One has to wonder why you so strongly defend the fact that the Mike/Bruce tour general play the washed out rocker tour along with the likes of Smash Mouth and Sugar Ray. Some say Brian will no longer talk to you and you have now become a pasty for Bruce, who is the only guy talking to you. Just what I hear AGD.

I must say you are doing your credibility no good for even defending M/B for these shows.

Au contraire, because I can see both sides of the coin, and not simply cherry-pick the info that supports any bias I may project, I find new doors opening.

As for those mysterious, mythical "some say", they're feeding you duff info, for Brian has never "talked" to me (in the sense you're implying) in the first place. But, seeing as you claimed you'd met me when it turns out you've not, I think I'm entitled to cast doubt on the veracity of your statement here.    I just love it when someone tells me something about myself that just isn't true, especially in a public forum for the express purpose of trying to make me look silly... because what happens is that person ends up looking exceedingly foolish. As my friend's children would say, epic fail. 

Obviously you were blowing smoke then a ways back when you told me you would personally ask Brian about the GV promo film. I assumed you had no access when Brian came and went, and nada from you. Zip.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

I genuinely don't see what's so bad about them playing "the washed out rocker tour along with the likes of Smash Mouth and Sugar Ray". It seems to be based on nothing other than snobbishness.

Exactly.

So McCartney, Ringo, Dylan, U2, Rush, Sringsteen, The Rolling Stones, Van Halen, ............ are all snobs because they wouldn't play these venues in a million years. They'd laugh at the thought. If having class, artistic integrety, and management that promotes you as a superstar makes you a snob, I guess they are.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

As for the "possibly untrue accusations", I'm deeply tickled that someone who has never, ever talked to me in the first place is now... not talking to me. Makes someone look seriously foolish - and it ain't me. Terrible emotion, envy. Makes you say things that aren't true. As my ol' buddy Oscar was wont to say, "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about".

And I'm deeply tickled that you have msde up some fantasy that we met, talked, and now I don't talk. Aside from jousting in threads and 10 -12 PMs exchanged,  that be it dude. As for looking foolish, look in the mirror. This is the third time I've told you you are mistaken but, as usual, you can't admit you are wrong.

As to those that think it's fine for the Bruce/Mike show to play crappy venues, well, go and enjoy youselves.
But their is a reason the radio.com poll picked Brian, Al and Dave over M/B 9 to 1.

[SonoraDick]

As to those that think it's fine for the Bruce/Mike show to play crappy venues, well, go and enjoy youselves.

I've seen both The Beach Boys and Brian perform at one of your "crappy venues" (casinos), and not once, for even a second, did I think "I really wish they were playing someplace better."

Gee, I really hope that doesn't make me a "crappy" person.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

As to those that think it's fine for the Bruce/Mike show to play crappy venues, well, go and enjoy youselves.

I've seen both The Beach Boys and Brian perform at one of your "crappy venues" (casinos), and not once, for even a second, did I think "I really wish they were playing someplace better."

Gee, I really hope that doesn't make me a "crappy" person.

Where? What casino did you see Brian?

Brian has never played the dumps M/B play and he isn't billing himself as the Beach Boys.

You guys ignore the fact that the great bands don't play dives. By your logic, McCartney is an elitist snob.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

In the issue of fairness (and trust me, I'm not picking sides here), it must be pointed out that a band earns much less from playing less prestigious venues, and the ticket prices generally much lower. That allows lower income people to attend a concert that they otherwise wouldn't be able to afford. I myself had to hit the pawn shop in order to buy the C50 tickets for the show I went to. I wasn't going to miss it for the world, and with their age and my health, I know opportunities to see any of the Beach Boys play (together or separately) are limited.

Another way of looking at this...you're right...MOST of the great bands don't play dives. But...wouldn't it be nice (pun intended) for someone at, say, Sea World get to see a 'real' band play rather than some knockoff band?

[Wirestone]

As to those that think it's fine for the Bruce/Mike show to play crappy venues, well, go and enjoy youselves.

I've seen both The Beach Boys and Brian perform at one of your "crappy venues" (casinos), and not once, for even a second, did I think "I really wish they were playing someplace better."

Gee, I really hope that doesn't make me a "crappy" person.

Where? What casino did you see Brian?

Brian has never played the dumps M/B play and he isn't billing himself as the Beach Boys.

You guys ignore the fact that the great bands don't play dives. By your logic, McCartney is an elitist snob.

Brian has played many a casino, and many a "dump" that M/B play. Just do a search for the word "casino" on this page: http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/set00s.html.

Get your facts straight and do some basic research before opining again.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

In the issue of fairness (and trust me, I'm not picking sides here), it must be pointed out that a band earns much less from playing less prestigious venues, and the ticket prices generally much lower. That allows lower income people to attend a concert that they otherwise wouldn't be able to afford. I myself had to hit the pawn shop in order to buy the C50 tickets for the show I went to. I wasn't going to miss it for the world, and with their age and my health, I know opportunities to see any of the Beach Boys play (together or separately) are limited.

Another way of looking at this...you're right...MOST of the great bands don't play dives. But...wouldn't it be nice (pun intended) for someone at, say, Sea World get to see a 'real' band play rather than some knockoff band?

Good point Billy. And there many wonderful, classy casinos the Mike/Bruce play. My point is that some are just horrendous.  It's embarrassing,  in the eyes of many people. Anyway, I sound like a broken record. Taking the needle off this subject.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

As to those that think it's fine for the Bruce/Mike show to play crappy venues, well, go and enjoy youselves.

I've seen both The Beach Boys and Brian perform at one of your "crappy venues" (casinos), and not once, for even a second, did I think "I really wish they were playing someplace better."

Gee, I really hope that doesn't make me a "crappy" person.

Where? What casino did you see Brian?

Brian has never played the dumps M/B play and he isn't billing himself as the Beach Boys.

You guys ignore the fact that the great bands don't play dives. By your logic, McCartney is an elitist snob.

Brian has played many a casino, and many a "dump" that M/B play. Just do a search for the word "casino" on this page: http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/set00s.html.

Get your facts straight and do some basic research before opining again.

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. Otherwise, you't give examples. I have been to some of the casinos Brian played and they are nice. Either you have never been to a dumpy casino or don't know what one is.

All you Mike/Bruce lovers will cheer them on no matter how low they sink.

And again, Brian isn't touring as the Beach Boyd.

[Jim V.]

I gotta say, artist formerly known as SurfRiderHawaii, I like your posts. But seriously what's the point of arguing about which casinos Mike and Bruce play? Who cares? Nothing we can do about it one way or the other.

Actually, to everybody: no point in arguing about any of this "who's not touring with who" thing. Nobody is gonna convince anybody most likely. So let's look forward to the box set, and patiently await the next set of Brian Wilson originals beyond that. Maybe they will be presented as Beach Boys tunes. Maybe they will be "Brian Wilson" tunes featuring Al and Dave, who knows? But we might as well get away from this negativity about this stuff.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

I gotta say, artist formerly known as SurfRiderHawaii, I like your posts. But seriously what's the point of arguing about which casinos Mike and Bruce play? Who cares? Nothing we can do about it one way or the other.

Actually, to everybody: no point in arguing about any of this "who's not touring with who" thing. Nobody is gonna convince anybody most likely. So let's look forward to the box set, and patiently await the next set of Brian Wilson originals beyond that. Maybe they will be presented as Beach Boys tunes. Maybe they will be "Brian Wilson" tunes featuring Al and Dave, who knows? But we might as well get away from this negativity about this stuff.

You are right man. Moving on. (Even when the Brits wake up and their onslaught begins).

Yeah, moved to Oregon in Nov. thus the name update.

[the professor]

I gotta say, artist formerly known as SurfRiderHawaii, I like your posts. But seriously what's the point of arguing about which casinos Mike and Bruce play? Who cares? Nothing we can do about it one way or the other.

Actually, to everybody: no point in arguing about any of this "who's not touring with who" thing. Nobody is gonna convince anybody most likely. So let's look forward to the box set, and patiently await the next set of Brian Wilson originals beyond that. Maybe they will be presented as Beach Boys tunes. Maybe they will be "Brian Wilson" tunes featuring Al and Dave, who knows? But we might as well get away from this negativity about this stuff.

Yes, the founder of this thread, the Professor, says to please leave the casino thing. This thread is for despair or joy over the next album. List hear any information, rumor, hint, or insight you have about the next album, or come here to lament that it will never be.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Where? What casino did you see Brian?

  6/20/99   Mohegan Sun Casino, Uncasville, CT
    7/8/00   Tropicana Casino, Atlantic City, NJ
  7/11/00   Mohegan Sun Casino, Uncasville, CT
10/29/04   Pala Casino, Pala, CA
10/30/04   The Railhead, Boulder Station Casino, Las Vegas, NV
  7/18/05   Monaco Sporting Casino, Monte Carlo, Monaco (I'll grant, that's a pretty classy one !)
    8/9/07   RiverRock Casino, Vancouver, BC, Canada
  8/10/07   RiverRock Casino, Vancouver, BC, Canada
  8/11/07   Silver Legacy Casino, Reno, NV
  7/13/07   Hampton Beach Casino Ballroom, Hampton Beach, NH
    9/6/08   Grand Sierra Resort and Casino, Reno, NV
10/23/09   Soaring Eagle Casino, Mount Pleasant, MI
  12/4/09   Agua Caliente Casino, Rancho Mirage, CA
    8/5/11   Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino, Hollywood, FL

[Andrew G. Doe]

Never, ever, ever ever claimed I have met you. As it seems more often these days, you have me confused with someone else or misread a post.

Everyone, go to post #517 of the now locked "New Mike Love Examiner interview" thread to see where he says he's met me. Only now he says he hasn't. To quote Bob Dylan, you're a liar.

As for my asking Brian about the "GV" promo film... you don't have much of a sense of humor, do you ? I'm guessing when I wrote yesterday that I made up stuff on 10452, you believed that too. Not only a liar but a credulous one - them's the best kind to play mind games with. 

[The Shift]

Never, ever, ever ever claimed I have met you. As it seems more often these days, you have me confused with someone else or misread a post.

Everyone, go to post #517 of the now locked "New Mike Love Examiner interview" thread to see where he says he's met me. Only now he says he hasn't. To quote Bob Dylan, you're a liar.

As for my asking Brian about the "GV" promo film... you don't have much of a sense of humor, do you ? I'm guessing when I wrote yesterday that I made up stuff on 10452, you believed that too. Not only a liar but a credulous one - them's the best kind to play mind games with. 

Might wanna check that ref Andrew… that's Billy' post:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,15371.msg358758.html#msg358758

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Good catch John. I think though it was reference to what I had quoted (which I thought I deleted). What I said then I'm carrying over to this thread. Take it to PMs. Final warning (Not you, John...you're cool). Only reason why I'm letting it go is because I don't think I made myself clear...my comment was not limited to that thread.

Now...deep breaths...relax...

[Andrew G. Doe]

Billy's post, quoting two others, including the one where SurfRider/Oregon/whatever states he's met me... which is, by his own recent admission, a lie. Granted it was in a private message, and I have no truck with the posting of those, but still - it's a lie.

And as I don't have dealings with liars, from where the sun now stands I will respond no more forever.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Egads...I forgot to delete the PM from my quote. I need to fix that.

Dammit...now I gotta ban myself

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fixed

And as I don't have dealings with liars, from where the sun now stands I will respond no more forever.

I'm holding you to the latter. Not kidding.

[The Shift]

Billy, I wouldn't have your job for the world!