"Made in California" Box Set

[seltaeb1012002]

Mark Linett said this on a Facebook thread I saw - regarding Wild Honey - the album - in stereo.

"WIld Honey the song is in stereo for the first time on 50 Big Ones as is "Darlin" , but some of the songs on the album would be impossible to do in true remixed stereo because only some of the lead vocals exist on the multi-track. On several songs the group recorded the vocals for the first verse , mixed that verse down and then recorded the next verse vocals over the first ones mixed that verse down and so on. I want to say maybe a third of the album has this problem"

A Thing Or Two and Here Comes The Night are definitely two of those, from the evidence of the Unsurpassed Masters volume with Honey sessions.

Hmm. I'd think that those would be available, being that they were able to put rough stereo mixes of all of the verse vocal overdubs on SOT.

[Quzi]

Please, in the name of all things holy, let Mama Says be exempt from this problem!!!!!!

[KokoNO]

Mark Linett said this on a Facebook thread I saw - regarding Wild Honey - the album - in stereo.

"WIld Honey the song is in stereo for the first time on 50 Big Ones as is "Darlin" , but some of the songs on the album would be impossible to do in true remixed stereo because only some of the lead vocals exist on the multi-track. On several songs the group recorded the vocals for the first verse , mixed that verse down and then recorded the next verse vocals over the first ones mixed that verse down and so on. I want to say maybe a third of the album has this problem"

Well....

I...

Am...

Devastated....

Well, this clears up a lot of things, actually. Linett and company did say that they went through the archives recently to see what still exists and such....I guess we might not be seeing some of these albums in part of the latest remastered crop because an alternate mix version simply can't exist.

That said, there's still no reason to not have mono-only reissues of Surfin' Safari, Wild Honey, etc.

[Camus]

In 1993, we had the original 2-fers, Sony/Epic albums, Endless Summer, Spirit of America, Made In USA, and maybe the Absolute Best series available by the time the Good Vibrations Box Set appeared. It sold pretty well despite having all of those other releases out there.

Not to be a downer but, in 1993 people were buying CD's at a much higher clip.

I bet that has been taken into account and the units adjusted. Most diehard fans will make the purchase.

I'm not convinced by that.  If the box is mostly released stuff with a smattering of new rarities, I would think the majority of fans would simply download the tracks they don't have, either legitimately or not rather than buying the full boxset.

If no profit is to be made, then why is Capitol comitting to it? Just to be nice guys? You don't think they know what needs to be sold to make a profit? Do you really think they would release it if they know it will lose money?

I think Capitol know exactly what they are doing and I believe there will most likely be a lot of previously unreleased material.  I was responding to the post that die hard fans will buy it regardless of what's on it.

[Jeff]

Mark Linett said this on a Facebook thread I saw - regarding Wild Honey - the album - in stereo.

"WIld Honey the song is in stereo for the first time on 50 Big Ones as is "Darlin" , but some of the songs on the album would be impossible to do in true remixed stereo because only some of the lead vocals exist on the multi-track. On several songs the group recorded the vocals for the first verse , mixed that verse down and then recorded the next verse vocals over the first ones mixed that verse down and so on. I want to say maybe a third of the album has this problem"

So what does this ultimately mean?  He says that "some of the songs on the album would be impossible to do in true remixed stereo."  But of course, not all of the stereo versions on the new remasters are "in true remixed stereo."  So do they give us something that approximates true stereo, and if so, will it sound better than the mono?

[over and over]

Mark Linett said this on a Facebook thread I saw - regarding Wild Honey - the album - in stereo.

"WIld Honey the song is in stereo for the first time on 50 Big Ones as is "Darlin" , but some of the songs on the album would be impossible to do in true remixed stereo because only some of the lead vocals exist on the multi-track. On several songs the group recorded the vocals for the first verse , mixed that verse down and then recorded the next verse vocals over the first ones mixed that verse down and so on. I want to say maybe a third of the album has this problem"

I'll be drinking a lot tonight

[tansen]

Mark Linett said this on a Facebook thread I saw - regarding Wild Honey - the album - in stereo.

"WIld Honey the song is in stereo for the first time on 50 Big Ones as is "Darlin" , but some of the songs on the album would be impossible to do in true remixed stereo because only some of the lead vocals exist on the multi-track. On several songs the group recorded the vocals for the first verse , mixed that verse down and then recorded the next verse vocals over the first ones mixed that verse down and so on. I want to say maybe a third of the album has this problem"

Link to FB thread please?

[hypehat]

Mark Linett said this on a Facebook thread I saw - regarding Wild Honey - the album - in stereo.

"WIld Honey the song is in stereo for the first time on 50 Big Ones as is "Darlin" , but some of the songs on the album would be impossible to do in true remixed stereo because only some of the lead vocals exist on the multi-track. On several songs the group recorded the vocals for the first verse , mixed that verse down and then recorded the next verse vocals over the first ones mixed that verse down and so on. I want to say maybe a third of the album has this problem"

So what does this ultimately mean?  He says that "some of the songs on the album would be impossible to do in true remixed stereo."  But of course, not all of the stereo versions on the new remasters are "in true remixed stereo."  So do they give us something that approximates true stereo, and if so, will it sound better than the mono?

It really depends on your mileage. Most of the 'fake' stereo mixes on the remasters are limited to one or two songs per album. They are also limited in sound quality. So, Mark might be uneasy with presenting a finished stereo mix of an album that, for the most part (and bear in mind this album is only 25 minutes long, so a third is quite a lot relatively) would be inferior or of lesser quality than he would like to present as a professional. That's nothing against his mixing skills, but just the reality of presenting extraction mixes.

[Aegir]

Please, in the name of all things holy, let Mama Says be exempt from this problem!!!!!!

There are no lead vocals on Mama Says.

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

Mark Linett said this on a Facebook thread I saw - regarding Wild Honey - the album - in stereo.

"WIld Honey the song is in stereo for the first time on 50 Big Ones as is "Darlin" , but some of the songs on the album would be impossible to do in true remixed stereo because only some of the lead vocals exist on the multi-track. On several songs the group recorded the vocals for the first verse , mixed that verse down and then recorded the next verse vocals over the first ones mixed that verse down and so on. I want to say maybe a third of the album has this problem"

This is not really new information, I mean, wasn't it in Preiss's book where Jim Lockert describes this mixing process?  The only question was for which tracks is this true.  The only problem would be if, as it seems might be the case, the powers-that-be cling to some desire for absolute uniformity in these releases.  You know, like, they all have to perfect mono then perfect stereo.  Oh no, you know, like, Bull Session with Big Daddy can't be remixed to stereo, cancel the Today! remix.

So here's what you do for the Wild Honey reissue:  put out a great mono remaster followed by a presentation of every song that it's possible to do a decent stereo remix of.  On the songs where it's not, do a stereo remix of the parts you can and either just let the track play out without vocals, or go back to mono.

I've never understood the selective perfectionism keeping these things from coming out.

[BergenWhitesMoustache]

So do they give us something that approximates true stereo, and if so, will it sound better than the mono?

I find it weird that mono is seen as a 'problem'

All of the new stereo mixes are interesting, don't get me wrong, but none of them will ever replace the original versions. It'd be like repainting the mona lisa because there was a new type of paint that didn't crack, and calling it an improvement.

[Ted]

So do they give us something that approximates true stereo, and if so, will it sound better than the mono?

I find it weird that mono is seen as a 'problem'

All of the new stereo mixes are interesting, don't get me wrong, but none of them will ever replace the original versions. It'd be like repainting the mona lisa because there was a new type of paint that didn't crack, and calling it an improvement.

No. Repainting the Mona Lisa would be equivalent to re-recording the songs. Try again.

[Dave Modny]

Mark Linett said this on a Facebook thread I saw - regarding Wild Honey - the album - in stereo.

"WIld Honey the song is in stereo for the first time on 50 Big Ones as is "Darlin" , but some of the songs on the album would be impossible to do in true remixed stereo because only some of the lead vocals exist on the multi-track. On several songs the group recorded the vocals for the first verse , mixed that verse down and then recorded the next verse vocals over the first ones mixed that verse down and so on. I want to say maybe a third of the album has this problem"

This is not really new information, I mean, wasn't it in Preiss's book where Jim Lockert describes this mixing process?  The only question was for which tracks is this true.  The only problem would be if, as it seems might be the case, the powers-that-be cling to some desire for absolute uniformity in these releases.  You know, like, they all have to perfect mono then perfect stereo.  Oh no, you know, like, Bull Session with Big Daddy can't be remixed to stereo, cancel the Today! remix.

So here's what you do for the Wild Honey reissue:  put out a great mono remaster followed by a presentation of every song that it's possible to do a decent stereo remix of.  On the songs where it's not, do a stereo remix of the parts you can and either just let the track play out without vocals, or go back to mono.

I've never understood the selective perfectionism keeping these things from coming out.

Exactly. Simple solution: Present a full mono remaster, and then simply tag on the tracks that are capable of being mixed to true stereo at the end. That is, if one truly is uncomfortable with doing extraction mixes or full-track sync-ups where, and if applicable.

I mean, who says there's a law that *each* track has to be presented, respectively, in mono and stereo on these remasters, and that the limitations above should somehow preclude a remaster from coming out? Assuming that they would continue on with the rest of the albums, it's a moot point anyway, in terms of uniformity, starting with the subsequent album.

[Bicyclerider]

They didn't hesitate to do an extraction mix or two on other albums, why stop with Wild Honey?

Tracks that could be mixed into stereo, based on the Sea of Tunes boots:
I Was Made To Love Her
Thing or Two
Here Comes the Night

it's possible that some of these would be centered vocals with a stereo instrumental track, but so what?  That's still stereo.

Previously done:
Wild Honey
Darlin'
Let the Wind Blow
Country Air

That leaves 4 out of 11 tracks that would have to have "extraction" mixes or a mono vocal extraction synched into a stereo track - Aren't You Glad, Love Just Once to See You, Boogalooed It and Mama Says.

[Shady]

Mark Linett said this on a Facebook thread I saw - regarding Wild Honey - the album - in stereo.

"WIld Honey the song is in stereo for the first time on 50 Big Ones as is "Darlin" , but some of the songs on the album would be impossible to do in true remixed stereo because only some of the lead vocals exist on the multi-track. On several songs the group recorded the vocals for the first verse , mixed that verse down and then recorded the next verse vocals over the first ones mixed that verse down and so on. I want to say maybe a third of the album has this problem"

This is not really new information, I mean, wasn't it in Preiss's book where Jim Lockert describes this mixing process?  The only question was for which tracks is this true.  The only problem would be if, as it seems might be the case, the powers-that-be cling to some desire for absolute uniformity in these releases.  You know, like, they all have to perfect mono then perfect stereo.  Oh no, you know, like, Bull Session with Big Daddy can't be remixed to stereo, cancel the Today! remix.

So here's what you do for the Wild Honey reissue:  put out a great mono remaster followed by a presentation of every song that it's possible to do a decent stereo remix of.  On the songs where it's not, do a stereo remix of the parts you can and either just let the track play out without vocals, or go back to mono.

I've never understood the selective perfectionism keeping these things from coming out.

EXACTLY!!

For fucks sake just make the album sound better

[KokoNO]

You know what would make this boxed set rule? If it only featured non-album tracks and unreleased tracks. That would make it a great companion piece to the recent reissues. I mean, there's nobody that really wants to here "Surfer Girl" followed by an obscurity. It doesn't satisfy the die-hards who know the album tracks oh-so-well, nor does it satisfy the novices that simply want the hits.

[Sam_BFC]

Previously done:
Wild Honey
Darlin'
Let the Wind Blow
Country Air

That leaves 4 out of 11 tracks that would have to have "extraction" mixes or a mono vocal extraction synched into a stereo track - Aren't You Glad, Love Just Once to See You, Boogalooed It and Mama Says.

Is there an official stereo mix of Country Air?

[Wrightfan]

Previously done:
Wild Honey
Darlin'
Let the Wind Blow
Country Air

That leaves 4 out of 11 tracks that would have to have "extraction" mixes or a mono vocal extraction synched into a stereo track - Aren't You Glad, Love Just Once to See You, Boogalooed It and Mama Says.

Is there an official stereo mix of Country Air?

Not official. It is (was?) up on youtube albeit in crappy quality.

One of our members also created a kick ass extraction of "A Thing or Two"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR8ByKF5UR0

[Awesoman]

I'd pay an extra 5 dollars if the master tape to Chasin' The Sky was burned.

Too much honour to rank that track with the SMiLE stuff.

Just sayin'.

Considering the massive SMiLE release of last year, I'm not sure what else they could include from that album on the box set.  Honestly, I've got my SMiLE fix and would prefer the box set focuses on the Boys' entire career, and not just the Pet Sounds/SMiLE stuff.

That all being said, I'd like to hear a proper release of "Chasin' The Sky".  The song is nothing special, but Carl really delivers a great lead vocal and, as already mentioned, the group produces some good backing vocals.  

And now with all the "commemorative releases" out of the way, think it would be a good time to start getting some real details on that box set.  Anyone agree?

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Previously done:
Wild Honey
Darlin'
Let the Wind Blow
Country Air

That leaves 4 out of 11 tracks that would have to have "extraction" mixes or a mono vocal extraction synched into a stereo track - Aren't You Glad, Love Just Once to See You, Boogalooed It and Mama Says.

Is there an official stereo mix of Country Air?

One of our members also created a kick ass extraction of "A Thing or Two"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR8ByKF5UR0

Damm good job!

[The Real Barnyard]

It's on Amazon UK:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Made-California-Limited-Beach-Boys/dp/B008XZKSRY/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=1PZ220A193YY4&coliid=I1Z8NYC2MTENT3

Don't know if it had been posted before.

[Jason]

Previously done:
Wild Honey
Darlin'
Let the Wind Blow
Country Air

That leaves 4 out of 11 tracks that would have to have "extraction" mixes or a mono vocal extraction synched into a stereo track - Aren't You Glad, Love Just Once to See You, Boogalooed It and Mama Says.

Is there an official stereo mix of Country Air?

It's "official" but has not been released except for bootlegs. The fact that it begins with the count-off should be proof positive, since there are no circulating Country Air session tapes.

[alanjames]

AGD, do you have an idea when the tracklist will be revealed? November or December?

[Shady]

It's on Amazon UK:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Made-California-Limited-Beach-Boys/dp/B008XZKSRY/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=1PZ220A193YY4&coliid=I1Z8NYC2MTENT3

Don't know if it had been posted before.

Hmm..

We might be hearing some news soon

[hypehat]

It's on Amazon UK:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Made-California-Limited-Beach-Boys/dp/B008XZKSRY/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=1PZ220A193YY4&coliid=I1Z8NYC2MTENT3

Don't know if it had been posted before.

Hmm..

We might be hearing some news soon

£116 pounds.... hm.