Brian rehashing music

[hypehat]

Trombone Dixie ----> Had To Phone Ya

Can someone PLEASE explain this one to me? I've never heard the similarity between these two tracks. And don't just say 'X said so', if Had To Phone Ya is Brian rewriting Trombone Dixie he ended up changing almost everything about it.

[Summer_Days]

The melody of the bassline is the key between 'Trombone Dixie' and 'Had To Phone Ya', as well as some horn lines.

[runnersdialzero]

Trombone Dixie ----> Had To Phone Ya

Can someone PLEASE explain this one to me? I've never heard the similarity between these two tracks. And don't just say 'X said so', if Had To Phone Ya is Brian rewriting Trombone Dixie he ended up changing almost everything about it.

It took me ages and ages to hear it. Alas, I have nothing to show you to prove the case ;( anyone else?

[Jason Penick]

CIFOTM >> Little Bird

[Summer_Days]

CIFOTM >> Little Bird

Really? Never heard that before.

[runnersdialzero]

If I understand the OP's question correctly The melody line from God Only Knows ("The world could show nothing to me") is quoted in the Smiley version of Wonderful.

Not quite. You mean the bit before the nonsense bridge, right? Incidentally, the nonsense bridge is Heroes & Villains chorus and Fade To Vega-Tables is, though! (Have a look on the tape box photos in the TSS booklet - the Fade is noted as being so!)

A lot of Smile (and thus Smiley Smile) is like that. Chalk it up to like 3/4 of the album stemming from being "Heroes And Villains" sections. "Heroes", "Vega-Tables" (both the verse and the fade), "With Me Tonight" (there's a version that uses the backing vocal arrangement from the verse of "Vega-Tables"), etc. etc. etc. etc. (although some people go too far trying to find similarities. imo.)

Also, roughly the same are "All Dressed Up For School" beginning -> "Heroes" section (the one after the 2nd chorus of the TSS edit), can't remember the proper name for it -> "Goin' On" beginning.

[EgoHanger1966]

CIFOTM >> Little Bird

Really? Never heard that before.

Sarcasm? Relisten to Little Bird and see if you can spot it. Once you hear it, you'll know - and you'll never unhear it!

[joshferrell]

"Loop de loop/sail plane song" and "daddy's little girl"...

[rn57]

Surprising nobody's brought up "My Solution" to "Happy Days" yet. Where Brian borrowing the general feel of other folks' records is concerned....is it just me or does "Isn't It Time" bear a kinship to "What A Fool Believes" with which Brian has long had a love/fear relationship?

[Summer_Days]

CIFOTM >> Little Bird

Really? Never heard that before.

Sarcasm? Relisten to Little Bird and see if you can spot it. Once you hear it, you'll know - and you'll never unhear it!

Are you referring to the "na na na" harmonies sounding like the piano melody? I'm lost, sorry. My ears must not be working today.

[EgoHanger1966]

CIFOTM >> Little Bird

Really? Never heard that before.

Sarcasm? Relisten to Little Bird and see if you can spot it. Once you hear it, you'll know - and you'll never unhear it!

Are you referring to the "na na na" harmonies sounding like the piano melody? I'm lost, sorry. My ears must not be working today.

No. It starts in the part where the group vocals come in...."little bird up in a tree, came down and sang a song to me"....There's the same horn line and drum pattern, EXACTLY, as in Child.

[Rocky Raccoon]

Do You Like Worms >> Little Pad

Love to Say Dada >> Cool, Cool Water

Vegetables >> Mama Says

[Al Jardine: Pick Up Artist]

Windchimes --> Can't Wait Too Long

[Summer_Days]

CIFOTM >> Little Bird

Really? Never heard that before.

Sarcasm? Relisten to Little Bird and see if you can spot it. Once you hear it, you'll know - and you'll never unhear it!

Are you referring to the "na na na" harmonies sounding like the piano melody? I'm lost, sorry. My ears must not be working today.

No. It starts in the part where the group vocals come in...."little bird up in a tree, came down and sang a song to me"....There's the same horn line and drum pattern, EXACTLY, as in Child.

Ooh.. you're right. Jesus, I must be deaf. Good find.

[Magic Transistor Radio]

CIFOTM >> Little Bird

Really? Never heard that before.

Sarcasm? Relisten to Little Bird and see if you can spot it. Once you hear it, you'll know - and you'll never unhear it!

Are you referring to the "na na na" harmonies sounding like the piano melody? I'm lost, sorry. My ears must not be working today.

No. It starts in the part where the group vocals come in...."little bird up in a tree, came down and sang a song to me"....There's the same horn line and drum pattern, EXACTLY, as in Child.

Ooh.. you're right. Jesus, I must be deaf. Good find.

I heard that Brian had  hand in writing this song. I wonder if he wrote that section, or Dennis.

[hypehat]

If I understand the OP's question correctly The melody line from God Only Knows ("The world could show nothing to me") is quoted in the Smiley version of Wonderful.

Not quite. You mean the bit before the nonsense bridge, right? Incidentally, the nonsense bridge is Heroes & Villains chorus and Fade To Vega-Tables is, though! (Have a look on the tape box photos in the TSS booklet - the Fade is noted as being so!)

A lot of Smile (and thus Smiley Smile) is like that. Chalk it up to like 3/4 of the album stemming from being "Heroes And Villains" sections. "Heroes", "Vega-Tables" (both the verse and the fade), "With Me Tonight" (there's a version that uses the backing vocal arrangement from the verse of "Vega-Tables"), etc. etc. etc. etc. (although some people go too far trying to find similarities. imo.)

Also, roughly the same are "All Dressed Up For School" beginning -> "Heroes" section (the one after the 2nd chorus of the TSS edit), can't remember the proper name for it -> "Goin' On" beginning.

Yeah, it gets a little silly trying to find similarity - people going, 'wow, descending notes must mean Rio Grande is a rewrite of that H&V intro' seems a bit strong, but I pointed that one out mostly for the tape box thing.

[Fall Breaks]

Trombone Dixie ----> Had To Phone Ya

Can someone PLEASE explain this one to me? I've never heard the similarity between these two tracks. And don't just say 'X said so', if Had To Phone Ya is Brian rewriting Trombone Dixie he ended up changing almost everything about it.

It took me ages and ages to hear it. Alas, I have nothing to show you to prove the case ;( anyone else?

Wasn't there a mash-up of these songs on Youtube? That was revealing for me at least.

[pixletwin]

At 1:08 and again at  2:10 where they sing "na-na-na-na-na-na-na" is a note-for-note quote of "The world could show nothing to me".

Have to disagree with this. Firstly, if to count an amount of notes to each "na" & an amount of syllables of that GOK phrase, the latter has 8 notes while Wonderful's line - 7. Secondly, 1st 2 "na"s have other notes & "The-world" repeats 1 note. Plus the last notes of 2 examples vary by structure of melody, if I may say that: the GOK's "No-thing-to-me" is more complex & dramatic than the final "Na-na-na"s that have quite simple note moves.

Saying that, I see what you meant by giving this example. What they have in common is some slight hint of psychedelia and melancholy in mood + Carl's way of singing seems very similar in both those lines. Or the whole songs, for that case. 

I already followed up my post with a correction. It is a contraction of both the "The world can show nothing to me" (which was E-D#-E-F#-A-B-C) and the "So what good would living do me?" line (E-D#-E-G#-C#-D#-E); or "The world can show-living do me" (E-D#-E-F#-C#-D#-E). But yeah, I accept that it is prolly a stretch. 

[Don Malcolm]

Good stuff here...pardon me if this one's already been mentioned and I missed it while scanning quickly...

Got My Pay > Marcella

And here is one that I don't think anyone else has ever mentioned before...

You Need A Mess of Help to Stand Alone > It's OK

If you listen to a couple times back-to-back, it's possible that it will become clear that the "Mess of Help" melody and song structure has been streamlined (a nicer way of saying "dumbed down"...), and the second half of the verse in "Mess" has been swapped into a bridge-chorus ("Gotta go to it, gotta go thru it"). You can also sing the "She don't know a thing" tag right over the "Find a ride" tag.

It seems as though Brian said to himself, "WTF, I can rewrite this funky one-off and turn it into something that sounds more like the Beach Boys"...

[I. Spaceman]

Better Get Back In Bed>Lazy Lizzie

[runnersdialzero]

Do You Like Worms >> Little Pad

Don't know why this one persists, as well as saying "Worms" became "Whistle In". There's a rhythmic similarity, but not much else, which isn't especially strong evidence. You'd almost have a better case for saying the guitar solo of "Santa's Beard" became the bridge of "Worms" or something.

Anyway, the mashups that people have done for the two songs should show how awful they sound together and how they likely have nothing to do wth one another.

[Andrew G. Doe]

"Little Pad" derives, in part, from the unreleased Smiley Smile outtake "Hawaiian Song".

As for "Worms"-"Whistle", I'd say more than a rhythmic similarity: the vocal melody -"wahaala lu lei/remember the day" et seq - is pretty much identical.

A riff tree might go like this:

Honda 55 -> All Dressed Up For School -> Heroes & Villains -> Goin' On
                             └>I Just Got My Pay -> Marcella

[Summer_Days]

Actually, I hear it as

'Love to Say Da Da' ---> 'Whistle In'

[Andrew G. Doe]

CIFOTM >> Little Bird

Really? Never heard that before.

Horn lines behind "Little bird up in a tree" after the middle eight. Brian's contribution to the arrangement.

[runnersdialzero]

As for "Worms"-"Whistle", I'd say more than a rhythmic similarity: the vocal melody -"wahaala lu lei/remember the day" et seq - is pretty much identical.

Not really, though. The repeating melody in "Worms" is two notes and five syllables, where as the repeating melody in "Whistle In" ascends, consists of five notes, and has six syllables. The "Keeny wok a poo lah" and "all day, all through the night" parts don't really have anything in common.

Even if you transpose one to the same key as the other, the melodies don't match up - I think only the first note is shared. I'd really chalk this one up to minor coincidence rather than Brian reusing something.