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« Reply #2325 on: October 12, 2012, 10:53:34 AM »

Tbh, if the backing tracks are all stereo, they can just as well release the backing tracks with the mono vocals on top.

Including "Good Vibrations"?
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« Reply #2326 on: October 12, 2012, 10:55:15 AM »

On the first count, I don't think it would be corrected as it would require remixing the track.

Second count...YES! But Mark Linett was saying that the vocal tape situation for the Wild Honey album is rather unflattering with regards to stereo remixes.

Tbh, if the backing tracks are all stereo, they can just as well release the backing tracks with the mono vocals on top. I mean, Good To My Baby is more or less just that. So is All Summer Long (song) and a whole lotta others. I fail to see the prob witth just releasing what is possible to release. I don't think there will be a prob, we should see a release soon hopefully!

I don't think you quite understand how this works. The separate vocals don't exist, in mono or otherwise, for the Wild Honey songs in question.
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« Reply #2327 on: October 12, 2012, 12:26:15 PM »

On the first count, I don't think it would be corrected as it would require remixing the track.

Second count...YES! But Mark Linett was saying that the vocal tape situation for the Wild Honey album is rather unflattering with regards to stereo remixes.

Tbh, if the backing tracks are all stereo, they can just as well release the backing tracks with the mono vocals on top. I mean, Good To My Baby is more or less just that. So is All Summer Long (song) and a whole lotta others. I fail to see the prob witth just releasing what is possible to release. I don't think there will be a prob, we should see a release soon hopefully!

I don't think you quite understand how this works. The separate vocals don't exist, in mono or otherwise, for the Wild Honey songs in question.

They can be extracted from the official mono mix and placed onto the stereo backing track, but that is technically not true stereo and it won't sound as good either.
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« Reply #2328 on: October 12, 2012, 12:39:36 PM »

On the first count, I don't think it would be corrected as it would require remixing the track.

Second count...YES! But Mark Linett was saying that the vocal tape situation for the Wild Honey album is rather unflattering with regards to stereo remixes.

Tbh, if the backing tracks are all stereo, they can just as well release the backing tracks with the mono vocals on top. I mean, Good To My Baby is more or less just that. So is All Summer Long (song) and a whole lotta others. I fail to see the prob witth just releasing what is possible to release. I don't think there will be a prob, we should see a release soon hopefully!

I don't think you quite understand how this works. The separate vocals don't exist, in mono or otherwise, for the Wild Honey songs in question.

They can be extracted from the official mono mix and placed onto the stereo backing track, but that is technically not true stereo and it won't sound as good either.

Exactly.  They've been hitting the extraction mixes very hard, so I don't see what the problem is.  Other than extraction mixes sound bad, but that hasn't stopped them so far.
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« Reply #2329 on: October 12, 2012, 07:02:48 PM »

On the first count, I don't think it would be corrected as it would require remixing the track.

Second count...YES! But Mark Linett was saying that the vocal tape situation for the Wild Honey album is rather unflattering with regards to stereo remixes.

Tbh, if the backing tracks are all stereo, they can just as well release the backing tracks with the mono vocals on top. I mean, Good To My Baby is more or less just that. So is All Summer Long (song) and a whole lotta others. I fail to see the prob witth just releasing what is possible to release. I don't think there will be a prob, we should see a release soon hopefully!

I don't think you quite understand how this works. The separate vocals don't exist, in mono or otherwise, for the Wild Honey songs in question.

They can be extracted from the official mono mix and placed onto the stereo backing track, but that is technically not true stereo and it won't sound as good either.

Exactly.  They've been hitting the extraction mixes very hard, so I don't see what the problem is.  Other than extraction mixes sound bad, but that hasn't stopped them so far.

I'd buy it in a heartbeat (unless they sounded totally dreadful).  The extraction mixes I've heard so far do not sound appalling to my ears.
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« Reply #2330 on: October 12, 2012, 07:14:02 PM »

I don't mind the extractions at all. It offers a different listening experience (for better or worse) and it still includes a mono mix so I just look at the extractions as a bonus.
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« Reply #2331 on: October 12, 2012, 07:18:18 PM »

(apologies if this has been mentioned already)

Only had a chance to casually listen to Surfin' USA and Today! so far.  I have a question regarding the mono mix of Stoked.  Is it me or is the "S" cut off at the beginning and sounds like Mike is singing "TOKED"?  Was it always like this?  I am only familiar with CD releases so I hope those with original vinyls can answer this.

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« Reply #2332 on: October 13, 2012, 03:18:16 PM »

Here's Girl Don't Tell Me's stereo mix complete with a sneaky edit I did that may annoy purists, but helps avoid the rest of the song being dragged down by one silly lyric LOL
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« Reply #2333 on: October 13, 2012, 03:23:03 PM »

(apologies if this has been mentioned already)

Only had a chance to casually listen to Surfin' USA and Today! so far.  I have a question regarding the mono mix of Stoked.  Is it me or is the "S" cut off at the beginning and sounds like Mike is singing "TOKED"?  Was it always like this?  I am only familiar with CD releases so I hope those with original vinyls can answer this.

Thanks!

I notice that as well, but don't have the original record to answer your question.  Just wanted to let you know it's not just you!
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« Reply #2334 on: October 13, 2012, 03:55:36 PM »

Does the new remaster of Today! use a lower generation tape for the mono mix? Reason I ask is because Please Let Me Wonder sounds crystal clear compared to the 1990 and 2001 two-fers, both of which are covered in that patented Today! muddiness. Not complaining...just curious.
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« Reply #2335 on: October 13, 2012, 03:56:04 PM »

The missing "s" at the beginning of "Stoked" is missing on my CD, too.

Just pulled out my mono vinyl Surfin' USA....and it has the "s" at the beginning. The CD is messed up. Sad
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« Reply #2336 on: October 13, 2012, 03:56:29 PM »

Does the new remaster of Today! use a lower generation tape for the mono mix? Reason I ask is because Please Let Me Wonder sounds crystal clear compared to the 1990 and 2001 two-fers, both of which are covered in that patented Today! muddiness. Not complaining...just curious.

Don't know, but it sounds AGES better now.
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« Reply #2337 on: October 13, 2012, 03:59:55 PM »

It does. Not that I had problems with the muddiness (y'know, the mud is where the magic is, along with the hiss), but the extra clarity is a revelation.
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« Reply #2338 on: October 13, 2012, 04:04:51 PM »

Does the new remaster of Today! use a lower generation tape for the mono mix? Reason I ask is because Please Let Me Wonder sounds crystal clear compared to the 1990 and 2001 two-fers, both of which are covered in that patented Today! muddiness. Not complaining...just curious.

That's so funny - I think PLMW in mono on the new remaster is the worst thing on that whole cd. It sounds rechanneled, like the tape head wasn't alligned correctly when it was transferred. I'm listening to the Japanese release, so unless they fixed it, I can't see how you'd prefer that to any other cd release of that song.
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« Reply #2339 on: October 13, 2012, 04:12:14 PM »

I have it (U.S. version) playing right now, EgoHanger1966. The playback is noticeably slow and draggy, but it doesn't sound rechanneled or misaligned at all...


EDIT: WAITAMINIT....I re-listened and yeah, it's definitely leaning toward the left. But hey, at least it's not on the extreme right.
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« Reply #2340 on: October 13, 2012, 04:18:31 PM »

On the pacjkaging issue, I wonder if we'd been more patient and not clamoured for the releases, Capitol might have not rushed the job through simply wrapped up like the Japanese issues. Who knows what their plans would have been for these remixes if we'd not barked "unfair" when it appeared the Japanese were getting them and we weren't?

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« Reply #2341 on: October 13, 2012, 04:18:36 PM »

Does the new remaster of Today! use a lower generation tape for the mono mix? Reason I ask is because Please Let Me Wonder sounds crystal clear compared to the 1990 and 2001 two-fers, both of which are covered in that patented Today! muddiness. Not complaining...just curious.

That's so funny - I think PLMW in mono on the new remaster is the worst thing on that whole cd. It sounds rechanneled, like the tape head wasn't alligned correctly when it was transferred. I'm listening to the Japanese release, so unless they fixed it, I can't see how you'd prefer that to any other cd release of that song.

Are you hearing it to the left a little bit?
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« Reply #2342 on: October 13, 2012, 04:23:27 PM »

Does the new remaster of Today! use a lower generation tape for the mono mix? Reason I ask is because Please Let Me Wonder sounds crystal clear compared to the 1990 and 2001 two-fers, both of which are covered in that patented Today! muddiness. Not complaining...just curious.

That's so funny - I think PLMW in mono on the new remaster is the worst thing on that whole cd. It sounds rechanneled, like the tape head wasn't alligned correctly when it was transferred. I'm listening to the Japanese release, so unless they fixed it, I can't see how you'd prefer that to any other cd release of that song.

Are you hearing it to the left a little bit?

Yes. I shouldn't have said rechanneled, it's not that extreme. Just that it doesn't sound like pure mono.
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« Reply #2343 on: October 13, 2012, 04:33:59 PM »

Does the new remaster of Today! use a lower generation tape for the mono mix? Reason I ask is because Please Let Me Wonder sounds crystal clear compared to the 1990 and 2001 two-fers, both of which are covered in that patented Today! muddiness. Not complaining...just curious.

That's so funny - I think PLMW in mono on the new remaster is the worst thing on that whole cd. It sounds rechanneled, like the tape head wasn't alligned correctly when it was transferred. I'm listening to the Japanese release, so unless they fixed it, I can't see how you'd prefer that to any other cd release of that song.

Are you hearing it to the left a little bit?

Yes. I shouldn't have said rechanneled, it's not that extreme. Just that it doesn't sound like pure mono.

No, I agree with you.  It bugs me.  The left channel dominates the right, the "phantom image" I perceive is certainly a bit left of center.
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« Reply #2344 on: October 13, 2012, 04:38:43 PM »

On the first count, I don't think it would be corrected as it would require remixing the track.

Second count...YES! But Mark Linett was saying that the vocal tape situation for the Wild Honey album is rather unflattering with regards to stereo remixes.

Tbh, if the backing tracks are all stereo, they can just as well release the backing tracks with the mono vocals on top. I mean, Good To My Baby is more or less just that. So is All Summer Long (song) and a whole lotta others. I fail to see the prob witth just releasing what is possible to release. I don't think there will be a prob, we should see a release soon hopefully!

I don't think you quite understand how this works. The separate vocals don't exist, in mono or otherwise, for the Wild Honey songs in question.

They can be extracted from the official mono mix and placed onto the stereo backing track, but that is technically not true stereo and it won't sound as good either.

Exactly.  They've been hitting the extraction mixes very hard, so I don't see what the problem is.  Other than extraction mixes sound bad, but that hasn't stopped them so far.

I'd buy it in a heartbeat (unless they sounded totally dreadful).  The extraction mixes I've heard so far do not sound appalling to my ears.

Exactly!

Who would say no to a 2/3 stereo Wild Honey with the rest being composed of extractions (which when done on the other stereo reissues have not gathered a huge shitstorm). IMO I think that is not a sufficient reason to prevent 2/3 of a great album being stereo. The remaining might actually be good regardless. There stereo backing tracks are there so it would not be a bad product if done correctly like on Today! and SDSN.
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« Reply #2345 on: October 13, 2012, 05:02:41 PM »

On the pacjkaging issue, I wonder if we'd been more patient and not clamoured for the releases, Capitol might have not rushed the job through simply wrapped up like the Japanese issues. Who knows what their plans would have been for these remixes if we'd not barked "unfair" when it appeared the Japanese were getting them and we weren't?

We might never know…

Well, according to AGD, we then wouldn't have gotten them at all.
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« Reply #2346 on: October 13, 2012, 05:51:26 PM »

On the first count, I don't think it would be corrected as it would require remixing the track.

Second count...YES! But Mark Linett was saying that the vocal tape situation for the Wild Honey album is rather unflattering with regards to stereo remixes.

Tbh, if the backing tracks are all stereo, they can just as well release the backing tracks with the mono vocals on top. I mean, Good To My Baby is more or less just that. So is All Summer Long (song) and a whole lotta others. I fail to see the prob witth just releasing what is possible to release. I don't think there will be a prob, we should see a release soon hopefully!

I don't think you quite understand how this works. The separate vocals don't exist, in mono or otherwise, for the Wild Honey songs in question.

They can be extracted from the official mono mix and placed onto the stereo backing track, but that is technically not true stereo and it won't sound as good either.

Exactly.  They've been hitting the extraction mixes very hard, so I don't see what the problem is.  Other than extraction mixes sound bad, but that hasn't stopped them so far.

It's only been one or two songs an album they're doing extraction mixes for, right? Not most of it, which would be the case for Wild Honey.
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« Reply #2347 on: October 13, 2012, 09:03:59 PM »

Going back a few pages to the youtube video of the guy who did the GV extraction, since the subject of DAWs came up when it was seen that he was using Audacity, i wanted to pose a question. Now, i am not taking any position here one way or the other on any DAW, i just want to ask this: If digital files are all 1s and 0s, as long as you are working with the desirable (good) sampling rate and bit rate, what difference is your DAW going to make in SOUND QUALITY? The answer to that question should be none, right? The only thing that is affected by using different DAWs is the amount of options/features, speed/lag, ease of use, convenience, interface, etc., no? Say someone is mixing and only concerned with adjusting levels and pan positions, one should be able to get the same exact results on Audacity as they would on ProTools, is that not so? I'm asking because i'm wondering what exactly it was that people were reacting against when they saw that he was using Audacity (that is, understanding fully that it's free software that is nowhere close to being considered professional).

Also, do you think this guy actually MIXED Good Vibrations or did he just extract the vocals and then hand over the files to Mark so that Mark could mix it? 





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« Reply #2348 on: October 13, 2012, 09:57:41 PM »

I really don't like all the reverb that's been showing up on BB reissues lately. I don't know if it's just me, maybe they'd sound better with a different pair of headphones or something. I actually prefer the smile mixes on the GV box to the ones on TSS, Wind Chimes in particular. What I've been hearing from the new remasters/remixes just sounds offputting to me.
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« Reply #2349 on: October 14, 2012, 01:37:10 AM »

Does the new remaster of Today! use a lower generation tape for the mono mix? Reason I ask is because Please Let Me Wonder sounds crystal clear compared to the 1990 and 2001 two-fers, both of which are covered in that patented Today! muddiness. Not complaining...just curious.

My first press LP sounds nice and muddy still, but I almost prefer it that way once the lead vocal comes in. It is too muddy, however, before then.
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