Check out Dave's guitar fills on this recent performance of SOS

[Mikie]

LOL!   ROFLMAO!   Old AOL lingo, isn't it?  LOL!  Laughing out loud!  Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!   

Only a few posts and you're an ass already.  Learn to spell, Dufus!

[JanBerryFarm]

LOL!   ROFLMAO!   Old AOL lingo, isn't it?  LOL!  Laughing out loud!  Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!   

Only a few posts and you're an ass already.  Learn to spell, Dufus!

I guess that pretty much illustrates what I said.

[Mikie]

What was odd to me is that his [Dave's] limited abilities were particularly noticeable on the more surf guitar-oriented songs. There was far more weak wanking going on than was appropriate. Plus, if you are going to be bending strings all night, a Jaguar is not the best choice. I am all for Jags when played as they are meant to be.

What do you think he should be playing then? A Strat? A Tele? Carl Wilson played lead with a Jaquar around 1964. So technically speaking, how is a Jaguar suppose to be played?

I was at the same show as you in Berkeley and I didn't see any weak guitar playing going on, especially from Dave!

[JanBerryFarm]

What was odd to me is that his [Dave's] limited abilities were particularly noticeable on the more surf guitar-oriented songs. There was far more weak wanking going on than was appropriate. Plus, if you are going to be bending strings all night, a Jaguar is not the best choice. I am all for Jags when played as they are meant to be.

What do you think he should be playing then? A Strat? A Tele? Carl Wilson played lead with a Jaquar around 1964. So technically speaking, how is a Jaguar suppose to be played?

I was at the same show as you in Berkeley and I didn't see any weak guitar playing going on, especially from Dave!

He's saying string bending has littel place in aerly Beach Boy matereal. Show some sensativity and stop flaming everyone in sight, fur gosh sakes.

[Mikie]

Duf, the words are "little", "material", and "sensitivity".  I suggest clicking the spell check button before you post.  Correct spelling reflects one's intelligence.    

And like I said, Carl played a Jaguar in the early 60's (there's pictures of him with it) and so did David, I believe.  It was fine for Beach Boys material.

[JanBerryFarm]

The words are "little" and "material", Duf.  I suggest clicking the spell check button before you post. Correct spelling reflects your intelligence.    

And like I said, Carl played a Jaguar in the early 60's (there's pictures of him with it) and so did David, I believe.  

Well, you believe wrong, guy.

Dave did have a Jaguar that he used on RARE occasion with the Beach Boys, but mostly, awlmost always  he used a Stratocaster.

For that matter, Carl also played a Stratocaster in the aerly 60's, before he got the Jag.

Try and be nice, abandon the defensive spelling-police thing and we'll get along phine.

[Mikie]

What the hell's "JanBerryFarm?  And what does that avatar depict? Is it Beach Boys/Jan & Dean related? How is breakfast significant here?

Just curious. Don't get upset, meat!

[JanBerryFarm]

What the hell's "JanBerryFarm?  And what does that avatar depict? Is it Beach Boys/Jan & Dean related? How is breakfast significant here?

Well, THAT'S for me to KNOW and you to figure out.

How old are you, son?  

[Mikie]

I'll be 15 this Fall, meat.  Here's the deal with David's guitars. I use to have a list of all of the Beach Boys guitars that they owned, but can't find it now.

In 1962 David had a Rick. Then he bought a '62 Fender Sunburst Strat and played that until he left The Beach Boys in late '63. David (and Carl) also had Fender Jaguars in 1963 - Carl's was white, Dave's was red. Dave later painted his Jaguar black and played that during the Marksmen days. Carl played his Jag until mid-1964 before switching to a Rick 12 string (which David also did at that point). Dave still plays Stratocasters - he has a 1957 Sunburst model, in addition to the blue Jaguar and other brand guitars.  

Fender gave 1962 reissue Jaguars to Al and David the first day they rehearsed for the tour in Burbank, Calif.

 

[JanBerryFarm]

I think he was kind of feeling it that night...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jNJoM166gI

Absolutely. Dave rules. So great to have him up there doing the right thing with the right people. It's history in the making.

[JanBerryFarm]

I'll be 15 this Fall, meat.  Here's the deal with David's guitars. I use to have a list of all of the Beach Boys guitars that they owned, but can't find it now.

In 1962 David had a Rick. Then he bought a '62 Fender Sunburst Strat and played that until he left The Beach Boys in late '63. David (and Carl) also had Fender Jaguars in 1963 - Carl's was white, Dave's was red. Dave later painted his Jaguar black and played that during the Marksmen days. Carl played his Jag until mid-1964 before switching to a Rick 12 string (which David also did at that point). Dave still plays Stratocasters - he has a 1957 Sunburst model, in addition to the blue Jaguar and other brand guitars.  

Missed a step there, fella. Carl switched to a Fender 12 string after the Ricketybacker. Do your homework first.  

You're learning. Just don't get all puffed up.  

[Mikie]

The emphasis in my post above was on David's guitars, there, Mr. Knowitall.  Note where it says, "Here's the deal with David's guitars".

At least you're using the spell checker now, though. Good man!

[JanBerryFarm]

At least you're using the spell checker now, though. Good man!

Actually, I'm nott. Nott that it matters.

 

Also, you left out Daves Silvertone. Might wanna add that to the lyst.

Carry on.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Why is Brian singing "Sail On Sailor"? He's rough on that tune.

He kicked ass on it tonight.

[HighOnLife]

Why is Brian singing "Sail On Sailor"? He's rough on that tune.

He kicked ass on it tonight.

That's good. Must have just been a bad night on that one.

[SBonilla]

What the hell's "JanBerryFarm?  And what does that avatar depict? Is it Beach Boys/Jan & Dean related? How is breakfast significant here?

Just curious. Don't get upset, meat!

KnottsBerryFarm?

[AndrewHickey]

Every musician can have an off day, even the best of them -- I once saw Brian's band do an absolute train-wreck performance of Heroes & Villains, where half the band went into the wrong section (obviously they'd changed the arrangement recently and half of them had forgotten).

That said, the one time I've seen David play he was absolutely spectacular on precisely those songs that it's being claimed here he was weak on -- the early surf tracks.

Possibly the problem (if one exists at all -- and I've not heard a problem on any of the live recordings) is that on this tour David is the sole lead guitarist? One thing that made the show I saw in 2008 special was the way that David and Scott T's very different guitar styles blended together, with them both switching off rhythm and lead.

[Mikie]

KnottsBerryFarm?

Yeah, I thought of that.  But "JanBerryFarm"?  Wha? Huh?

Anyway, yeah, I left out Dave's first guitar, the Sears Silvertone acoustic that he got as a present from his parents.

And I also left out David's first electric guitar, a Carvin that he bought from John Walker.

[Mikie]

OK, I just found my list of Beach Boys instruments. It would be neat to see all of these in a book (a la "Beatles Gear") but a few of them were lost or stolen. Jeff Foskett still has Dave's original Rickenbacker 12-string from the Marksmen days.

Carl Wilson

* Kay single cutaway acoustic w/pick-up (his first)
* Fender Jaguar
* Fender Telecaster, w/Bigsby, yellow
* Fender Stratocaster, white
* Fender Stratocaster (Old Yeller) his favorite
* Fender Stratocaster, blonde
* Rickenbacker 360 12-string “Fireglo”. Limited edition (500) repros were made by Rickenbacker of the CW 6-string and 12-string varieties in both Fireglo and Jetglo finishes.
* Gibson ES-335 (Custom made in 1962, it had a blonde finish and gold hardware with a Bigsby B-7 tremolo. In 1983, the original guitar neck was broken and replaced with a neck from an ES-355).
* Gibson ES-335, red
* Gibson Epiphone Sheraton 6-string (used for the '72 In Concert album)
* Gibson Epiphone Casino
* Gibson Epiphone Riviera 12-string, tobacco sunburst
* Gibson Les Paul, black
* Gibson Les Paul, sunburst
* Gibson Les Paul Jr. (2)
* Gibson Firebird
* Gibson J-200 acoustic
* Baldwin 712 12-string, red
* Martin Bicentennial D-76 acoustic
* David Russell Young custom acoustic
* Fender Band Master amp
* Fender Concert amp
* Fender Princeton amp
* Fender Dual Showman amp
* Fender Twin Reverb amp (Cerwin Vega speakers)
* Fender Twin Reverb amp (Gauss speakers)
* Fender Bassman amp
* Mitchell amp
* Peavy amp
* Orange amp
* Fender, Ernie Ball Slinkys, Extra Light strings

Al Jardine

* 1962 Fender Stratocaster (offered to Fender for repro)
* 1964 Fender Stratocaster
* 1962 Fender Jaguar repro (2012)
* Fender Precision bass
* Epiphone Casino
* Gibson Les Paul
* Gibson ES-335
* Fender Bassman amp

Brian Wilson

* Fender Precision bass

Dave Marks

* Sears Silvertone acoustic
* Carvin electric
* 1957 Fender Sunburst Stratocaster
* 1962 Fender Sunburst Stratocaster (used on the studio albums and on the road)
* Fender Jaguar
* 1962 Fender Jaguar repro (2012)
* Rickenbacker 12-string
* Fender Showman amp, blonde (w/ Fender Spring Reverb)
* Fender Super Reverb with custom Howard/Alexander Dumble Mod  

Dennis Wilson

* Gretsch drums
* Camco drums
* Ludwig drums
* Yamaha Drums

Bruce Johnston

* Fender Precision bass
* Keyboard (Fender Rhodes, Farfisa?)

Mike Love

* Saxophone
* Tambourine
* Moog ribbon controller
* ML Skin Flute

[Mikie]

Anyone care to update Brian's section? The personal pianos/keyboards he had at the Bellagio studio? I'm too lazy to look it up in Desper's book or elsewhere. I know he had the Chickering, which was given to him by Murry....and the Tack piano......

Or maybe this is for another thread.

[MZ6]

Can't add anything for Brian, but I know as far as amps are concerned Carl also owned and used an early(ish) Dumble 'Overdrive Stinger'. And although it wasn't played (or so I'm told) during a UK tour - think it was '69 - he also had a Paisley Tele on the road at that time.

[SBonilla]

Anyone care to update Brian's section? The personal pianos/keyboards he had at the Bellagio studio? I'm too lazy to look it up in Desper's book or elsewhere. I know he had the Chickering, which was given to him by Murry....and the Tack piano......

Or maybe this is for another thread.

About 1979 Earle Mankey gave me a black Hammond M3 organ that Brian had given to him.

[JanBerryFarm]

What the hell's "JanBerryFarm?  And what does that avatar depict? Is it Beach Boys/Jan & Dean related? How is breakfast significant here?

Just curious. Don't get upset, meat!

KnottsBerryFarm?

Right. I'm not claiming it's clever. It's just what it is. All that is this, I guess.
I can change it, if it offends anyone. No biggie.

[JanBerryFarm]

KnottsBerryFarm?

Yeah, I thought of that.  But "JanBerryFarm"?  Wha? Huh?

No, you didn't think of it. You're just saying that, now.

Don't really get why you're obsessing over a nickname. Seems a dreadful misguided waste of time, when you could be cutting and pasting.

Anyway, go ahead and list Brians amp as a Bassman, but I'll wager he PLAYED through a Showman.

Wha? Huh?Wha? Huh?Wha? Huh?Wha? Huh?Wha? Huh?

[Jon Stebbins]

Seems kind of presumptuous that anyone here should suggest how Dave can be more "appropriate" performing the material he and Carl developed and recorded as teenagers. And also telling him how he should play his Jaguar (don't bend notes) is slightly anal. Dave's the kind of musician who likes to explore with his tones and his leads. I saw him play a horrible solo on Do You Wanna Dance at the Hollywood Bowl, in fact David and I laughed about it afterwards, and he told me that song gives him trouble because its a quirky progression under the solo, but the next night in Irvine he played it so beautifully and cool, referencing the record...but also stretching out into uncharted territory. It was one of the best things of the night. I like the way he takes chances, and doesn't copy the records per se. He will make mistakes on occasion, or have an off lead here and there, but the good ones are absolutely special...and BTW Brian obviously really digs the way Dave has been playing on the tour, check out the you tube clips. As far as how Dave plays, its his prerogative, its his band, and he played more guitar on Beach Boys classics than any of us. I've been playing the guitar for 46 years and I'd be embarrassed to think i know more than him.

BTW...he did play a Jaguar with the Beach Boys for much of 1963.