A bit crap

[Andrew G. Doe]

Your actual words at  8.10.51am today:

"...it should be a big, career-spanning trawl through their catalogue."

Ergo, they would "devote half the setlist to obscure album tracks from commercially unsuccessful albums", according to you. Otherwise it would just be a GH set, and we wouldn't want that, would we ?

[Outtasight!]

A question to the OP:  when was the last time The Beach Boys actually did anything that didn't make you squirm?  I have no idea how you could've expected this Celebration tour to be limited of some of the things you've apparently grown to despise (surfing songs, car songs, surfboards in pictures)?  The Wal-Mart deal?  Who the hell cares?  It's not like they're releasing the actual album directly though Wal-mart..it's some promo magazine with a sampler CD.  Big whoop.  

They nearly made the Paley sessions into an album. Retro sounding music that was still artistically interesting. Soul Searching and YSAM are pretty good. I like the live version of Summer in Paradise. I like the Stars and Stripes version of Caroline, No. I like Don't Fight the Sea.

I love the band.

And I don't hate the surf or car songs. I do, however, see them as only a chapter in the lengthy life of an ambitious and confounding band. And a compelling tour could embrace the hits and the arty stuff and reap the band both money and acclaim. And the fact that the band doesn't seem to be seeing it that way is sadly telling.

Yeh man, the big hits made them money but they only account for 3-5 years of their career, I want them to visit all worthy areas of their music, I hope the reunion covers much of their history, hit or no hit. Most of their music has artistic value (the 80's excepted). Not wanting the surf songs revisiited at the expense of everything else seems entirely reasonable to me.

[Justin]

Yeh man, the big hits made them money but they only account for 3-5 years of their career, I want them to visit all worthy areas of their music, I hope the reunion covers much of their history, hit or no hit. Most of their music has artistic value (the 80's excepted). Not wanting the surf songs revisiited at the expense of everything else seems entirely reasonable to me.

The surf/car years may have accounted for a small portion of their career but there's no way getting around that this early work is what secured their fame...not neccessarily "Sail on Sailor" or "All This is That." 

[Autotune]

They have enough catalogue to play severa shows without repeating anything.

But for me the money is on performance. I don't care about setlist. Really.

[Wilson Love]

Yeh man, the big hits made them money but they only account for 3-5 years of their career, I want them to visit all worthy areas of their music, I hope the reunion covers much of their history, hit or no hit. Most of their music has artistic value (the 80's excepted). Not wanting the surf songs revisiited at the expense of everything else seems entirely reasonable to me.

The surf/car years may have accounted for a small portion of their career but there's no way getting around that this early work is what secured their fame...not neccessarily "Sail on Sailor" or "All This is That." 

Ya Think?

[endofposts]

They have a PBS special coming up.  I don't think that would have happened except for the type of audience that loves to watch Peter Noone and John Sebastian oldies shows on pledge nights.  The oldies audience is the bulk of the Beach Boys' audience.  Even Brian has built tours around surf and car songs being in the set.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I've seen Brian's solo tour four times now. I've seen him do all of Pet Sounds, Smile, heard things like Drive-In, And Your Dreams Come True, Add Some Music, etc.

While I would like to see The Beach Boys throw in some cool album cuts this tour, I also want to see a Beach Boys concert complete with Be True To Your School and maybe even Little Old Lady From Pasadena. That's right - I evoked the old lady.

[SMiLE Brian]

I've seen Brian's solo tour four times now. I've seen him do all of Pet Sounds, Smile, heard things like Drive-In, And Your Dreams Come True, Add Some Music, etc.

While I would like to see The Beach Boys throw in some cool album cuts this tour, I also want to see a Beach Boys concert complete with Be True To Your School and maybe even Little Old Lady From Pasadena. That's right - I evoked the old lady.

You of all people to evoke the old lady.

[Wirestone]

Even Brian has built tours around surf and car songs being in the set.

Not exactly true.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I've seen Brian's solo tour four times now. I've seen him do all of Pet Sounds, Smile, heard things like Drive-In, And Your Dreams Come True, Add Some Music, etc.

While I would like to see The Beach Boys throw in some cool album cuts this tour, I also want to see a Beach Boys concert complete with Be True To Your School and maybe even Little Old Lady From Pasadena. That's right - I evoked the old lady.

You of all people to evoke the old lady.

 

Sometimes the old lady just has to be evoked.

I'm not sure what we're talking about anymore.

[SMiLE Brian]

I've seen Brian's solo tour four times now. I've seen him do all of Pet Sounds, Smile, heard things like Drive-In, And Your Dreams Come True, Add Some Music, etc.

While I would like to see The Beach Boys throw in some cool album cuts this tour, I also want to see a Beach Boys concert complete with Be True To Your School and maybe even Little Old Lady From Pasadena. That's right - I evoked the old lady.

You of all people to evoke the old lady.

 

Sometimes the old lady just has to be evoked.

I'm not sure what we're talking about anymore.

That you would bring up a song that Mike Love loves to cheese up in concert.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I've seen Brian's solo tour four times now. I've seen him do all of Pet Sounds, Smile, heard things like Drive-In, And Your Dreams Come True, Add Some Music, etc.

While I would like to see The Beach Boys throw in some cool album cuts this tour, I also want to see a Beach Boys concert complete with Be True To Your School and maybe even Little Old Lady From Pasadena. That's right - I evoked the old lady.

You of all people to evoke the old lady.

 

Sometimes the old lady just has to be evoked.

I'm not sure what we're talking about anymore.

That you would bring up a song that Mike Love loves to cheese up in concert.

Thanks for reminding me!

[hypehat]

I would to state that The Little Old Lady From Pasadena is the worst song of all time. Discuss.

[SMiLE Brian]

I would to state that The Little Old Lady From Pasadena is the worst song of all time. Discuss.

Songs about Old Ladies in Muscle cars with road rage are amazing!

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I would to state that The Little Old Lady From Pasadena is the worst song of all time. Discuss.

Oh, come on.

That's all I got.

[hypehat]

I would to state that The Little Old Lady From Pasadena is the worst song of all time. Discuss.

Oh, come on.

That's all I got.

A fair argument. But in my present condition, I cannot think of a song which is worse.

[SMiLE Brian]

I would to state that The Little Old Lady From Pasadena is the worst song of all time. Discuss.

Oh, come on.

That's all I got.

A fair argument. But in my present condition, I cannot think of a song which is worse.

Mike Love solo songs or the whole SIP album.

[Paulos]

I would to state that The Little Old Lady From Pasadena is the worst song of all time. Discuss.

Oh, come on.

That's all I got.

A fair argument. But in my present condition, I cannot think of a song which is worse.

Any of the songs from the current top 40s of the UK and USA.

[Aegir]

Who will the band be playing to for these 60 dates ? Joe Q. Public, his wife and kids, who know the band from maybe 15-20 songs, one of which is "Kokomo": there's going to be enough surprises for them in a 40-song setlist.

I agree with this, but if Joe only knows 15 songs, why can't the other 25 be Smile stuff, 70s stuff, et cetera?

and personally I would never shell out hundreds of dollars to see a band that I was only a casual fan of. what a terrible waste of money.

[Runaways]

I would to state that The Little Old Lady From Pasadena is the worst song of all time. Discuss.

Oh, come on.

That's all I got.

A fair argument. But in my present condition, I cannot think of a song which is worse.

Rock n roll music

[Micha]

Gotta get this off my chest. The reunion really seems a bit crap now, doesn't it?

Car songs.

Surfin' songs.

Surfboards in promo pics.

"Beaches in Mind."

Not a single Pet Sounds song in the mini-set -- no WIBN, no GOK.

"Kokomo."

That hideous single cover.

Wal-Mart.

Jim Peterik writing the lead-off single.

Underwhelming, poorly mixed live appearances.

Utterly disengaged Brian.

I remember saying that I would expect the worst and hope for the best from this reunion. My expectations have been richly fulfilled.

All of you hepping yourselves up over this should calm down. It's not going to be the worst ever, but it seems like it will be richly embarrassing for anyone expecting anything with a smidgen of artistic integrity. Brian was on a winning streak with TLOS and BWRG. He's now singing songs from by Peterik and being produced by Joe Thomas.

How are you all blind to this? I have been trying so hard to think this will be good. But I've given up trying to defend the indefensible. These guys are cashing in, pure and simple. The album is likely going to have a couple of nice new BW things, some recycled stuff, and oodles of dross. No one is interested in pushing themselves -- only using Brian's band as a giant security blanket as they go through the motions of a coast-to-coast cash grab.

Depressing beyond belief.

EDIT: I would love to be proved wrong. I would so love to be proved wrong. But every step of this process has only increased my doubts, rather than assuaging them.

You know what? I don't care. I will calm down when I want to, so far it's fun and I don't mind those guys cashing in. If you don't like it, listen to some music that you do like instead and don't try to spoil it for us. Yes, you do have the right to state your opinion, but don't expect me to think you might be right.

[Wirestone]

Gotta get this off my chest. The reunion really seems a bit crap now, doesn't it?

Car songs.

Surfin' songs.

Surfboards in promo pics.

"Beaches in Mind."

Not a single Pet Sounds song in the mini-set -- no WIBN, no GOK.

"Kokomo."

That hideous single cover.

Wal-Mart.

Jim Peterik writing the lead-off single.

Underwhelming, poorly mixed live appearances.

Utterly disengaged Brian.

I remember saying that I would expect the worst and hope for the best from this reunion. My expectations have been richly fulfilled.

All of you hepping yourselves up over this should calm down. It's not going to be the worst ever, but it seems like it will be richly embarrassing for anyone expecting anything with a smidgen of artistic integrity. Brian was on a winning streak with TLOS and BWRG. He's now singing songs from by Peterik and being produced by Joe Thomas.

How are you all blind to this? I have been trying so hard to think this will be good. But I've given up trying to defend the indefensible. These guys are cashing in, pure and simple. The album is likely going to have a couple of nice new BW things, some recycled stuff, and oodles of dross. No one is interested in pushing themselves -- only using Brian's band as a giant security blanket as they go through the motions of a coast-to-coast cash grab.

Depressing beyond belief.

EDIT: I would love to be proved wrong. I would so love to be proved wrong. But every step of this process has only increased my doubts, rather than assuaging them.

You know what? I don't care. I will calm down when I want to, so far it's fun and I don't mind those guys cashing in. If you don't like it, listen to some music that you do like instead and don't try to spoil it for us. Yes, you do have the right to state your opinion, but don't expect me to think you might be right.

Please pay attention to the rest of the thread. My reasoning is more fully explained there. This board is for discussion, not to make you feel better.

[Zach95]

Wirestone! Your never this pessimistic! We need to find a way to cheer you up, because I LOVE the way this is going so far and I think you will too, soon, I hope.

[Bill Ed]

I've went into it many, many times on this board, and

YES Quantity reflects QUALITY.  

PERIOD.  
 

I was reminded of Ron's words when I ran across this.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/12-extremely-disappointing-facts-about-popular-mus

[Alan Smith]

I would to state that The Little Old Lady From Pasadena is the worst song of all time. Discuss.

Oh, come on.

That's all I got.

A fair argument. But in my present condition, I cannot think of a song which is worse.

It's little sister and cousin of I Get Around - THE ANAHEIM, AZUSA, AND CUCAMONGA SEWING CIRCLE, BOOK REVIEW, AND TIMING ASSOCIATION - is worse by far