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« Reply #50 on: June 03, 2012, 04:04:07 PM »

God no. Animal Collective are incredibly overrated. Aimless, terribly produced/mastered (MPP is brickwalled as f*ck), whiny, and with little tension or release besides admittedly nice synth textures/loops which are used with no invention. I am fond of Strawberry Jam, the record before, because it has songs with things you can remember. More than once I have put Merriweather on and been amazed that I'm actually like, 4 tracks into it because I hadn't noticed anything changing.


Have to respectfully disagree with you there, Hypehat! I think AC are the most exciting band around at the moment by a mile. Doesn't make it all an easy listen, or all necessarily good, but they are simultaneously fearless experimenters and able to craft beautiful pop tunes (who does that remind you of?!), and beyond that, consider how influential Merriweather PP has been on a slew of bands, worthy in their own right: Caribou, Deerhunter, Beach House, Django Django to name but a few. Jesus - nobody is carrying the Beach Boys torch (and transforming it) more boldly and worthily into the 21st century than this band. Wtach them perform Brothersport live and see if you feel the same way!

Although agree Strawberry Jam is possibly the more impressive album.

just read the rest of the thread - afraid I have to agree with lovers of My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantsay. That is a magnificent album and pretty much the only place I'm happy to hear the use of autotune these days. I swear it will be a huge influence on many upcoming bands - already Fun. have based the sound of their latest album on it (going as far as hiring the same producer). I love Late Registration, but MBDTF has an entire atmosphere about it that lifts it into a different territory.

It's difficult to define a masterpiece, but an obvious qualification should be the impact it has on contemporary and future bands. I think the above two albums definitely qualify on that basis.

Radiohead are a no brainer in this sense. Amy Winehouse I'm not so sure about. Back To Black is great and was influential in its way, but is it groundbreaking? It was the precursor to all those retrophile acts such as Adele etc. and Winehouse will forever be associated with that noughties reimagining of the spector/motown/stax sound but I don't see anything necessarily groundbreaking or new about her or the acts she influenced.


how has MPP been influential on Deerhunter? I haven't seen any change out of them, aside from the logical progression they've been going in as a band for the past decade.

edit: For the record, I enjoyed Strawberry Jam when it was released and enjoyed about half of MPP, but they're forever tarnished as a band after seeing them live. Quite possibly the worst live show I've seen an established band perform my entire life.

I was getting Atlas Sound and Deerhunter mixed up and thinking of the collaboration with Noah Lennox, not that it's evidence that AC have influenced them necessarily but I end up filing them in the same place. Fair point.

Can imagine them being terrible - my friend said he hated them after seeing live. I saw them on the Strawberry Jam tour and they were incredible, premiering some of the MPP stuff. I spent months trying to work out what track Brothersport actually was as it blew my mind.
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« Reply #51 on: June 03, 2012, 10:34:08 PM »

In response to the reply to my post about Kanye a little ways back-on my cell phone, mobile version of the board won`t let me quote-I`d like to agree that good music is good music regardless of genre, but with a few glaring exceptions, I feel that hip hop/rap went to sh*t after the Gangsta stuff got big. Diddy, Dre, Snoop, Tupac, Biggie, Jay Z, Eminem, etc. ruined it for me.
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« Reply #52 on: June 04, 2012, 04:06:53 AM »

In response to the reply to my post about Kanye a little ways back-on my cell phone, mobile version of the board won`t let me quote-I`d like to agree that good music is good music regardless of genre, but with a few glaring exceptions, I feel that hip hop/rap went to sh*t after the Gangsta stuff got big. Diddy, Dre, Snoop, Tupac, Biggie, Jay Z, Eminem, etc. ruined it for me.

I feel the same way to a certain extent. I always preferred De La Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Pharcyde and that more mellow branch of hip hop. I have come to appreciate Jay Z more since Watch The Throne though.
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« Reply #53 on: June 04, 2012, 05:49:22 AM »


jimmy eat world - futures



I love the production and the sound on that album but none of their greatest songs is on that album IMO.
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« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2012, 08:31:56 PM »

God no. Animal Collective are incredibly overrated. Aimless, terribly produced/mastered (MPP is brickwalled as f*ck), whiny, and with little tension or release besides admittedly nice synth textures/loops which are used with no invention. I am fond of Strawberry Jam, the record before, because it has songs with things you can remember. More than once I have put Merriweather on and been amazed that I'm actually like, 4 tracks into it because I hadn't noticed anything changing.

Another masterpiece...

The Avalanches - Since I Left You



Hypehat! I just listened to Since I Left You. Loved it! Thanks for the tip
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« Reply #55 on: June 11, 2012, 10:09:53 PM »

David Bowie - Heathen
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« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2014, 07:49:01 PM »

  Farm  Dinosaur Jr
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« Reply #57 on: February 10, 2014, 11:20:07 PM »

Plus, some of these ARE masterpieces. Since I Left You is one of the greatest records I've ever heard. It's a Pet Sounds for our age.
Yes indeed, that one----and BWPS...
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« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2014, 01:32:53 AM »

While released on the cusp of the 21st Century in 1999, 69 Love Songs is a masterpiece. Its my most recently released favorite album.
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« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2016, 01:16:39 PM »

I like this thread.

I want to add Lonerism because just listen to the production.

I don't know what I can contribute. I'll probably end up writing a way-too-long description of how detailed and amazing Modern Vampires of the City is.
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« Reply #60 on: March 30, 2016, 01:31:15 PM »

I like this thread.


It's funny, I had just been thinking of putting together some kind of best-of, either of this decade or this century. Turns out we did this thread a few years ago and I'd just totally forgotten it...
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« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2016, 02:02:03 PM »

I hope, sometime in the future, The Seer, To Be Kind, and Swans' forthcoming album will be mentioned during the "greatest album trilogies" conversations that everyone loves to have. 
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« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2016, 05:30:14 PM »


I want to add Lonerism because just listen to the production.


Surprised it took so long for this to get a mention. Seconded.

Edit: Funny I should say that... just noticed this thread's from 2012.
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« Reply #63 on: March 31, 2016, 02:29:51 AM »

I believe these haven't been mentioned yet:

Kasabian (self-titled)
Franz Ferdinand (self-titled)
Of Montreal----Hissing Fauna, Are You the Destroyer?
Neutral Milk Hotel----In the Aeroplane over the Sea
U2----ATYCLB and HTDAAB
Arcade Fire----Neon Bible
Goat----World Music
Steely Dan----Two Against Nature
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« Reply #64 on: March 31, 2016, 03:24:04 AM »

Arcade Fire - Funeral
Amy Winehouse - Back to Black
Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP and The Eminem Show
Daft Punk - Random Access Memories
Kendrick Lamar - good kid, m.A.A.d city and To Pimp a Butterfly
Kanye West - The College Dropout and My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
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And, for anyone who has actually experienced them, surfing and cars carry PLENTY of emotion and life experience. They can carry as much metaphor as any Van Dyke Parks clever epistle.
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« Reply #65 on: March 31, 2016, 03:27:06 AM »

Neutral Milk Hotel----In the Aeroplane over the Sea

That's 1998.
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« Reply #66 on: March 31, 2016, 03:39:37 AM »

Neutral Milk Hotel----In the Aeroplane over the Sea

That's 1998.

Oops----no wonder no one mentioned it...
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« Reply #67 on: March 31, 2016, 04:13:37 AM »

Neutral Milk Hotel----In the Aeroplane over the Sea

That's 1998.

Oops----no wonder no one mentioned it...

It is a masterpiece however!
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« Reply #68 on: March 31, 2016, 09:54:09 AM »

I'd llike to add Esperanza Spalding's new release 'Emily's D+Evolution' to the list. What an album!
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« Reply #69 on: March 31, 2016, 12:20:32 PM »

I'd llike to add Esperanza Spalding's new release 'Emily's D+Evolution' to the list. What an album!

I've added it to my listening list. :=)

I've just remembered another stunner I heard quite recently: Creep On Creepin' On by Timber Timbre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLlp503gl-I
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« Reply #70 on: March 31, 2016, 07:17:15 PM »

I heard a song by Barns Courtney, "Fire", on the radio today. I really liked most of it aside from the stereotypical post-'00 power-poprock chorus, a non-surprisingly common element that ruins most contemporary music for me. Anyway the section that begins at approximately the 1:59 mark is mind-blowingly exceptional pop-craftsmanship. Probably the closest anyone's come to reaching the level of Brian Wilson on "Do You Like Worms?", which in my opinion is a very high point. I highly recommend a listen if you haven't heard it. So far he's only released a couple of singles and I'm hoping to GOD the album has more like that section than it does in that chorus, but we'll see.

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« Reply #71 on: April 03, 2016, 05:38:00 AM »

I'd llike to add Esperanza Spalding's new release 'Emily's D+Evolution' to the list. What an album!

I've added it to my listening list. :=)

Not my scene, I'm afraid, but it sounds pretty classy. And  I noticed a two-hour vid of the best of----wow. 

I was reminded of another splendid 21st-century offering: ...Is a Real Boy by Say Anything from 2004. Now that's something I can relate to!

This is the later expanded version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CzWNgCb2AU
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« Reply #72 on: April 03, 2016, 06:54:51 AM »

I still feel pretty good about my original list, though I'd also say I'm even more hesitant to get into labeling things "masterpieces." It's the kind of thing that requires decades, I think, and only the earliest of the albums have marinated long enough for that. Some edits and additions, though.
 
Undeniable and masterpiece are a both strong words even on their own; together, that's tricky business. But I would rate these as the best albums of the century, probably with none reaching "undeniable masterpiece" status in my mind. (Roughly chronological order.)

Radiohead, Kid A
The Delgados, the Great Eastern
Bob Dylan, Love & Theft
Beulah, The Coast is Never Clear
Tom Waits, Alice
the Mountain Goats, Tallahassee
The Shins, Chutes Too Narrow
Belle & Sebastian, Dear Catastrophe Waitress
Brian Wilson, BWPS (in a strange way, almost like an honorary degree)
Fiery Furnaces, Blueberry Boat
Puerto Muerto, See You in Hell
Of Montreal, Satanic Panic in the Attic
Bob Dylan, Modern Times
Wilco, Sky Blue Sky
Joanna Newsom, Ys
The Hold Steady, Boys and Girls in America
Okkervil River, the Stage Names
Herman Dune, Giant
Amy Winehouse, Back to Black
Iron & Wine, The Shepherd's Dog
Robyn, Body Talk

Of Montreal, Hissing Fauna...
Fiona Apple, The Idler Wheel...
Kacey Musgraves, Same Trailer, Different Park
Courtney Barnett, Sometimes I Sit...
Joanna Newsom, Divers
David Bowie, Blackstar
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« Reply #73 on: April 03, 2016, 10:10:13 AM »

One that hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet:

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« Reply #74 on: April 03, 2016, 10:36:30 AM »

I was thinking about that but just couldn't quite call it "masterpiece." A lot of these, actually, to me just seem like good albums (including some of those I named). Though it is kind of amusing that while we have plenty of posters on this board who seem to believe the musical world stopped producing good work somewhere in the '70s (or earlier), there are so many different albums being named in this thread.

Because of how hard it is for me to use the M word (as I've said ad nauseum already), I was thinking of starting a similar thread for songs of the 21st century, maybe limiting people's nominations to, say, 15-20 songs total. But I sort of want my list ready to go before I start the thread. (If someone beats me to it, such is life. More power to you.)
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