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« on: April 03, 2012, 01:00:24 AM »

...for the following reasons:

1. it is a very graceful record by one of pop's greatest artists and it is executed beautifully in all respects - and the singing by BW is tops too, the patina of aging only adds to the experience;

2. BWPS is important because seven years after its release it turned out to have been the template for re-constructing the orginal set of compositions that was left unfinished some 44 years earlier;

3. I cannot get the added lyrics out of my head, they're entirely fitting and in the vein of SMiLE itself, whether they are or are not similar to what was intended in 1967;

4. the added instrumental bridges on BWPS are indispensable to this listener; and they are firmly lodged in his brains also;

5. BWPS, and its 2004 live performance at the Royal Festival Hall, together form a totality that may well be the finest musical experience yours truly will ever have had in his entire life.

...and you?
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2012, 01:05:11 AM »

I agree with #4 completely.
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2012, 01:07:07 AM »

All excellent and irrefutable. I still prefer the vocal performances of the 66/67 sessions but what you've said is spot on, Don.  BW – responsible for two of the greatest musical moments in history.  And then some…
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2012, 01:52:18 AM »

Great post. I agree. For me it's about four essential songs.
1. H&V: There's just more power and rock & roll to the bWPS version
2. Wonderful: I can't live without that wonderful horn or trumpet that plays over the chorus
3. Surfs up: Same thing, can't live without the powerful execution of "BROOOOTHER JOOOOHHN"
4. Vegetables: I just can't listen to TSS-version, it's not tight(rythm and other aspects) and goes on and on.
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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2012, 01:54:08 AM »

The live performance was utterly sublime, and conceived/executed as such, I agree with all of this.

There's always a 'but' on this board, so respectfully, I'd offer this: the cd did not ultimately (and I think probably could not) capture the magic of the evening, because it was conceived as a live piece, and it was recorded to replicate that live production as closely as possible. So the recording was pretty much geared to putting down all the live parts on record as per the live arrangement, which causes some head-scratching. As a listening experience, the distractions aren't just the fake harpsichord here, the odd bit of 'lost in performance translation' (cf bull horn on 'holidays') there...from a production standpoint, and perhaps conceptually, it needed some further tweaking.

But that's a quibble. A major, and important undertaking, an unforgettable experience, and an indispensable document of a crucial moment in musical history.
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2012, 01:57:30 AM »

One of the outstanding bits of BWPS for me is the lyrics to Holidays. Much missed on T'SS version.
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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2012, 01:59:45 AM »

One of the outstanding bits of BWPS for me is the lyrics to Holidays. Much missed on T'SS version.

Yes! Isn't that 'Lazy Mister Moon' that I'm hearing right now?  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2012, 02:18:39 AM »

Watch the Beautiful Dreamer documentary if you need a refresher on the awesomeness that is BWPS.

I still remember the first time I heard that. Heroes & Villains just about blew my mind out the top of my head.And that's song number 2!
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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2012, 02:22:14 AM »

BWPS is still great and always will be, I listened to it a few weeks ago for the first time since the Smile Sessions came out and it stands up on its on merits. Regardless of any flaws it is great to hear finished versions of CIFOTM, Look, Roll Plymouth Rock etc.

Great post. I agree. For me it's about four essential songs.
1. H&V: There's just more power and rock & roll to the bWPS version
2. Wonderful: I can't live without that wonderful horn or trumpet that plays over the chorus
3. Surfs up: Same thing, can't live without the powerful execution of "BROOOOTHER JOOOOHHN"
4. Vegetables: I just can't listen to TSS-version, it's not tight(rythm and other aspects) and goes on and on.

I'm unsure what you mean by this, the horn/trumpet on the chorus is present on the TSS and BWPS versions.
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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2012, 02:40:34 AM »

I've watched the DVD a gazillion times, most times with a bottle of wine after a rough day, and when it's over I... SMiLE. Yeah, that's Brian Wilson. Regarding the studio record: it's a fine fine thing (a spectacular thing, speaking from a perspective of music history), I totally love it and the vinyl is simply one of the most amazing things I've ever heard.

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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2012, 02:47:35 AM »

1. Child Is The Father Of The Man Vocals
2. Song For The Children Vocals
3. On A Holiday Vocals
4. In Blue Hawaii Vocals
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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2012, 02:59:16 AM »

1. Child Is The Father Of The Man Vocals
2. Song For The Children Vocals
3. On A Holiday Vocals
4. In Blue Hawaii Vocals

Just reading this lifts my spirits...  Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2012, 03:16:36 AM »

1. Child Is The Father Of The Man Vocals
2. Song For The Children Vocals
3. On A Holiday Vocals
4. In Blue Hawaii Vocals

Just reading this lifts my spirits...  Smiley
Smiley Each of these vocals fit those songs perfectly, I'm satisfied with every one of them. As soon as I went to purchase TSS I was going to delete BWPS off my computer but I  just couldn't do so for those reasons.
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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2012, 03:21:35 AM »

1. Child Is The Father Of The Man Vocals
2. Song For The Children Vocals
3. On A Holiday Vocals
4. In Blue Hawaii Vocals

Just reading this lifts my spirits...  Smiley
Smiley Each of these vocals fit those songs perfectly, I'm satisfied with every one of them. As soon as I went to purchase TSS I was going to delete BWPS off my computer but I  just couldn't do so for those reasons.

The phrase 'Easy My Child...' and what follows always brings me close to tears...
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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2012, 03:30:31 AM »

DVD Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6G_SK-N6Iw

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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2012, 03:39:02 AM »

Blue Hawaii vocals are a stand-out, for sure!
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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2012, 03:47:52 AM »

Blue Hawaii vocals are a stand-out, for sure!
Summer of 2007 it was the only track on my mp3player for weeks.. walking to work through the woods by the lake and playing In Blue Hawaii over and over.. ah, good times.
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« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2012, 03:53:27 AM »

Absolutely. They really seemed to look to Smiley and Lei'd in Hawai to capture the vibe on those lyrics. They worked really, really well.
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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2012, 04:07:50 AM »

BWPS is still great and always will be, I listened to it a few weeks ago for the first time since the Smile Sessions came out and it stands up on its on merits. Regardless of any flaws it is great to hear finished versions of CIFOTM, Look, Roll Plymouth Rock etc.

Great post. I agree. For me it's about four essential songs.
1. H&V: There's just more power and rock & roll to the bWPS version
2. Wonderful: I can't live without that wonderful horn or trumpet that plays over the chorus
3. Surfs up: Same thing, can't live without the powerful execution of "BROOOOTHER JOOOOHHN"
4. Vegetables: I just can't listen to TSS-version, it's not tight(rythm and other aspects) and goes on and on.

I'm unsure what you mean by this, the horn/trumpet on the chorus is present on the TSS and BWPS versions.

Right but it's played differently on TSS. It's more in a restrained  manner, the whole chorus is more subdued on TSS.
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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2012, 05:48:00 AM »

1. Child Is The Father Of The Man Vocals
2. Song For The Children Vocals
3. On A Holiday Vocals
4. In Blue Hawaii Vocals

Just reading this lifts my spirits...  Smiley
Smiley Each of these vocals fit those songs perfectly, I'm satisfied with every one of them. As soon as I went to purchase TSS I was going to delete BWPS off my computer but I  just couldn't do so for those reasons.

The phrase 'Easy My Child...' and what follows always brings me close to tears...
that's how beautiful it is Smiley whenever I hear Brian sing that it gives me goosebumps.
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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2012, 05:52:13 AM »


Ha! C'est moi at 0.38 – "Glasgow"!
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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2012, 05:55:23 AM »

BWPS is still great and always will be, I listened to it a few weeks ago for the first time since the Smile Sessions came out and it stands up on its on merits. Regardless of any flaws it is great to hear finished versions of CIFOTM, Look, Roll Plymouth Rock etc.

Great post. I agree. For me it's about four essential songs.
1. H&V: There's just more power and rock & roll to the bWPS version
2. Wonderful: I can't live without that wonderful horn or trumpet that plays over the chorus
3. Surfs up: Same thing, can't live without the powerful execution of "BROOOOTHER JOOOOHHN"
4. Vegetables: I just can't listen to TSS-version, it's not tight(rythm and other aspects) and goes on and on.

I'm unsure what you mean by this, the horn/trumpet on the chorus is present on the TSS and BWPS versions.

Right but it's played differently on TSS. It's more in a restrained  manner, the whole chorus is more subdued on TSS.

I agree - the overall sound of Wonderful on BWPS is amazing.
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To add to Don's list: Brian singing 'Long, long ago, long ago," in Holidays is one of the greatest things I've ever heard.

And the only thing that irritates me about BWPS is the instrumental track for 'Roll Plymouth Rock' - I wish they would've tried a bit harder to get that edgier sound of the '66 recording.
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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2012, 06:08:55 AM »

And the only thing that irritates me about BWPS is the instrumental track for 'Roll Plymouth Rock' - I wish they would've tried a bit harder to get that edgier sound of the '66 recording.
Sounds to me like they didn't try in the first place. This is a different SMiLE, and I like the somewhat lighter, sweeter tone on a few tracks. It's a nice variation to the original recordings we have from bootlegs and the SMiLE Sessions.
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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2012, 06:18:14 AM »


Why no Oscar for co-starring in the best Music Documentary then? I mean, the Academy Rules don't specify a minimum length as to such a performance, do they?
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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2012, 06:31:51 AM »

Awesome.  Cool
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