So Sad About BB's Career After "Smile" Incident :'[

[Newguy562]

May I add that I do agree with you that after Smile collasped, the albums were not as good as PS for a couple of years. I like them all from that period but for me it was only with 20/20 onwards that the 'Boys started hitting the bullseye again.

i agree with you for the 1st part but hitting the bullseye again? example pls

[Mike's Beard]

It would be much quicker for me to post what I don't consider great from 20/20 to Holland.
Bluebirds Over the Mountain and Make it Good = Crap
Take a Load Off Your Feet = average.

[Heysaboda]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

[Mr. Wilson]

iM GETTIN ILL..!

[Newguy562]

It would be much quicker for me to post what I don't consider great from 20/20 to Holland.
Bluebirds Over the Mountain and Make it Good = Crap
Take a Load Off Your Feet = average.

Why do most of you hate bluebirds over the mountain? :[ i like it ..

[Newguy562]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Stand next to anything the beatles did? that's probably the craziest thing i've seen posted on here lol..ok let me think of the worst thing the beatles did ..or at least considered a low point..hmmm magical mystery tour(which is my favorite) completely over-shadows anything the beach boys did post smile by a landslide.
i feel that when grams started working with them they became a country group 

[runnersdialzero]

OH MY GOD.

[18thofMay]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Stand next to anything the beatles did? that's probably the craziest thing i've seen posted on here lol..ok let me think of the worst thing the beatles did ..or at least considered a low point..hmmm magical mystery tour(which is my favorite) completely over-shadows anything the beach boys did post smile by a landslide.
i feel that when grams started working with them they became a country group 

No..Please just walk away..

[filledeplage]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

What a nice open minded and tolerant post! Bravo!

I like Imagination as well!  And, Brian's solo work.  He is an unlikely hero for many young people.  It might be the
"Comeback Kid" quality.  And, newer fans have the Pet Sounds session CD's where you can hear Brian working with the guys.  But, on balance, the guys on the road kept the fires burning so Brian was free to do studio work, where he was well-respected. People forget that groups like the Beatles had guys doing what Brian did.  He did it all and well.  

I think there are essential differences between Smile and Pet Sounds. To me, Pet Sounds has that human universality quality, in a sort of "coming of age" which cuts across the sexes, races and even ages.  Smile is sort of an historic journey with an American Pioneer or immigrant who might identify with that old song, I used to sing with my class, "This Land is Your Land." (from California to the New York Island) by Woody Guthrie.  Pet Sounds is more introspective, apolitical.

And, although, I'm sort of a "boomer" I was about 8 albums behind when I was "bitten." It is a streak of luck to have been a teen when Pet Sounds was released and after, watching what was going on in the world, while,music was changing at lightening speed.  It is a really good place.  I think of the work in a sort of "trilogy," with Holland, and The Trader, dealing with colonialism, as well as Sail on Sailor.  It might not have been the intent of the composers, but the way I think of the work as a corpus.  Pet Sounds, the Smile work, and Holland.  They should be honored for at least trying so many different styles of music, even if they didn't end up as hits.  It is not always the finished product but going through the process and changing things up.

The early stuff ties so well into early rock, and, if you can catch, "Why Do Fools Fall in Love?" - the movie about Freddy Lyman, a doo-wop artist, you can tie the work together.  It somehow just all fits.  And it deals with the royalties issues, that have been discussed recently.  The Beach Boys cover that song very often, in their set lists.  Doo wop played a big role in Brian's and Mike's work because it was some of what kids their ages were listening to, when they started out.

Wherever you fall in this arena, it is a fine place to be...and a great adventure to explore the work, on your own terms...

Enjoy it!  

[SMiLE Brian]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Want to start a Byrds thread in general music?, because the Byrds are another group I would like to talk about.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

I think your argument that Pink Floyd (not a big fan personally) just "got better and better" is silly- there was clearly a decline for them some time in the 80s. Plus I don't think you would find too many Zeppelin fans that consider In through the Out Door to be their finest moment. As for the Beatles, to many fans  their peak was the Rubber Soul/Revolver era, so again, I don't think you can just unequivocally state that the Beatles just "got better and better". This does bring to mind an interesting question though- Are there any groups that anyone can think of who just got better and better?

I do!!!!!

Carouselambra: is my favorite thing Zep ever did.

BJL is right, it's all about taste.

"All important" historical context is for the critics.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Want to start a Byrds thread in general music?, because the Byrds are another group I would like to talk about.

I freaking LOVE The Byrds!  I tend to be drawn toward the early Byrds but latter day Byrds were great too.

They're another band who's reputation as players was kinda messed up due to Hal Blaine's comments/claims.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

To me Pink Floyd's peak was their first album.

You'd better be kidding.

Wish You Were Here and Animals are incredible, masterpieces.

Obscured By Clouds is The Floyd's peak for me!

Seriously, I think it's the best composed, played, and sung Floyd album and it has an actual looseness and warmth to it that was rare for them. I just can't say enough good things about that record.

[SMiLE Brian]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Stand next to anything the beatles did? that's probably the craziest thing i've seen posted on here lol..ok let me think of the worst thing the beatles did ..or at least considered a low point..hmmm magical mystery tour(which is my favorite) completely over-shadows anything the beach boys did post smile by a landslide.
i feel that when grams started working with them they became a country group 

I feel like you really don't have your own opinions about music, and just repeat what the music media of rolling stone, MTV, and VH1 tell you about the Beach Boys, Beatles and Byrds.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Stand next to anything the beatles did? that's probably the craziest thing i've seen posted on here lol..ok let me think of the worst thing the beatles did ..or at least considered a low point..hmmm magical mystery tour(which is my favorite) completely over-shadows anything the beach boys did post smile by a landslide.
i feel that when grams started working with them they became a country group 

I feel like you really don't have your own opinions about music, and just repeat what the music media of rolling stone, MTV, and VH1 tell you about the Beach Boys, Beatles and Byrds.

Ummm, yeah, they did for that one album, and that was kind of the whole point.

[Newguy562]

I think your argument that Pink Floyd (not a big fan personally) just "got better and better" is silly- there was clearly a decline for them some time in the 80s. Plus I don't think you would find too many Zeppelin fans that consider In through the Out Door to be their finest moment. As for the Beatles, to many fans  their peak was the Rubber Soul/Revolver era, so again, I don't think you can just unequivocally state that the Beatles just "got better and better". This does bring to mind an interesting question though- Are there any groups that anyone can think of who just got better and better?

I do!!!!!

Carouselambra: is my favorite thing Zep ever did.

BJL is right, it's all about taste.

"All important" historical context is for the critics.

My favorite song by them is "i'm gonna crawl" :] so haunting and eerie.

[Newguy562]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Stand next to anything the beatles did? that's probably the craziest thing i've seen posted on here lol..ok let me think of the worst thing the beatles did ..or at least considered a low point..hmmm magical mystery tour(which is my favorite) completely over-shadows anything the beach boys did post smile by a landslide.
i feel that when grams started working with them they became a country group 

I feel like you really don't have your own opinions about music, and just repeat what the music media of rolling stone, MTV, and VH1 tell you about the Beach Boys, Beatles and Byrds.

why do you feel that way?

[meltedwhiskeyinmyhand]

Noobguy, you are an absolute beatdown.

[hypehat]

Also, it was not just,

The Byrds: 'Hey, Gram Parsons, you wanna join The Byrds?'

GP: 'Yeah! BTW, we're now going to make a country album.'

It was not only the way the individual Byrds were heading (Hillman especially), but also a lot of the LA scene. The Dillards, The Beau Brummels, Gram Parsons himself, Gene Clark (a Byrd, after all) amongst others were all making country/bluegrass albums in 1968/1969, and predating the early 70's LA scene's fixation with country music. It's the way the scene was going, and The Byrds got the enviable chance to go down to Nashville and use the real pros to make Sweetheart.

[SMiLE Brian]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Stand next to anything the beatles did? that's probably the craziest thing i've seen posted on here lol..ok let me think of the worst thing the beatles did ..or at least considered a low point..hmmm magical mystery tour(which is my favorite) completely over-shadows anything the beach boys did post smile by a landslide.
i feel that when grams started working with them they became a country group 

I feel like you really don't have your own opinions about music, and just repeat what the music media of rolling stone, MTV, and VH1 tell you about the Beach Boys, Beatles and Byrds.

why do you feel that way?

Parroting lines of "all Beatles albums are god", "beach boys done after smile"

[Newguy562]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Stand next to anything the beatles did? that's probably the craziest thing i've seen posted on here lol..ok let me think of the worst thing the beatles did ..or at least considered a low point..hmmm magical mystery tour(which is my favorite) completely over-shadows anything the beach boys did post smile by a landslide.
i feel that when grams started working with them they became a country group  

I feel like you really don't have your own opinions about music, and just repeat what the music media of rolling stone, MTV, and VH1 tell you about the Beach Boys, Beatles and Byrds.

why do you feel that way?

Parroting lines of "all Beatles albums are god", "beach boys done after smile"

It's a fact ..name one beatles album that is "bad"...I'm a fan of the beach boys i'm just being brutally honest even though most of you won't agree with me...after smile their music went downhill  :[ even though they had a few gems here and there.

[Newguy562]

Also, it was not just,

The Byrds: 'Hey, Gram Parsons, you wanna join The Byrds?'

GP: 'Yeah! BTW, we're now going to make a country album.'

It was not only the way the individual Byrds were heading (Hillman especially), but also a lot of the LA scene. The Dillards, The Beau Brummels, Gram Parsons himself, Gene Clark (a Byrd, after all) amongst others were all making country/bluegrass albums in 1968/1969, and predating the early 70's LA scene's fixation with country music. It's the way the scene was going, and The Byrds got the enviable chance to go down to Nashville and use the real pros to make Sweetheart.

That's pretty interesting ..Do you enjoy that album?

[Newguy562]

Noobguy, you are an absolute beatdown.

thank you jerk 

[pixletwin]

I think you can be sure had the Beatles continued into the 70's there would have been at least one TERRIBLE album.

[hypehat]

Man, I love Sweetheart of The Rodeo! But then I like country music, so you probably think I have no taste