So Sad About BB's Career After "Smile" Incident :'[

[Newguy562]

I think you can be sure had the Beatles continued into the 70's there would have been at least one TERRIBLE album.

or maybe a few..i agree with that.

[rab2591]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Stand next to anything the beatles did? that's probably the craziest thing i've seen posted on here lol..ok let me think of the worst thing the beatles did ..or at least considered a low point..hmmm magical mystery tour(which is my favorite) completely over-shadows anything the beach boys did post smile by a landslide.
i feel that when grams started working with them they became a country group 

I feel like you really don't have your own opinions about music, and just repeat what the music media of rolling stone, MTV, and VH1 tell you about the Beach Boys, Beatles and Byrds.

why do you feel that way?

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[hypehat]

 

[pixletwin]

BUUUUURNNNNNNN!!!!! 

[SMiLE Brian]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Stand next to anything the beatles did? that's probably the craziest thing i've seen posted on here lol..ok let me think of the worst thing the beatles did ..or at least considered a low point..hmmm magical mystery tour(which is my favorite) completely over-shadows anything the beach boys did post smile by a landslide.
i feel that when grams started working with them they became a country group 

I feel like you really don't have your own opinions about music, and just repeat what the music media of rolling stone, MTV, and VH1 tell you about the Beach Boys, Beatles and Byrds.

why do you feel that way?

Parroting lines of "all Beatles albums are god", "beach boys done after smile"

It's a fact ..Mame one beatles album that is "bad"...I'm a fan of the beach boys i'm just being brutally honest even though most of you won't agree with me...after smile their music went downhill  :[ even though they had a few gems here and there.

The Beatles were a great band, but weren't perfect. Yellow submarine album sucked, early albums (while good) had filler covers, albums lacked great singles like strawberry fields, "white album" had revolution 9, and "let it be" was pieced together and overdubbed by Phil Spector from hours of session tapes.

[Newguy562]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Stand next to anything the beatles did? that's probably the craziest thing i've seen posted on here lol..ok let me think of the worst thing the beatles did ..or at least considered a low point..hmmm magical mystery tour(which is my favorite) completely over-shadows anything the beach boys did post smile by a landslide.
i feel that when grams started working with them they became a country group  

I feel like you really don't have your own opinions about music, and just repeat what the music media of rolling stone, MTV, and VH1 tell you about the Beach Boys, Beatles and Byrds.

why do you feel that way?

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?action=profile;u=3626;sa=showPosts

Peruse through this and subsequent pages

you're definitely a creep.

[Newguy562]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Stand next to anything the beatles did? that's probably the craziest thing i've seen posted on here lol..ok let me think of the worst thing the beatles did ..or at least considered a low point..hmmm magical mystery tour(which is my favorite) completely over-shadows anything the beach boys did post smile by a landslide.
i feel that when grams started working with them they became a country group 

I feel like you really don't have your own opinions about music, and just repeat what the music media of rolling stone, MTV, and VH1 tell you about the Beach Boys, Beatles and Byrds.

why do you feel that way?

Parroting lines of "all Beatles albums are god", "beach boys done after smile"

It's a fact ..Mame one beatles album that is "bad"...I'm a fan of the beach boys i'm just being brutally honest even though most of you won't agree with me...after smile their music went downhill  :[ even though they had a few gems here and there.

The Beatles were a great band, but weren't perfect. Yellow submarine album sucked, early albums (while good) had filler covers, albums lacked great singles like strawberry fields, "white album" had revolution 9, and "let it be" was pieced together and overdubbed by Phil Spector from hours of session tapes.

i'm not counting Yellow Submarine as an album ...it's just a soundtrack to the film (no cheating mister)
some of the covers...Yikes.."Honey Pie".."Maxwell's silver hammer".."Why don't we do it in the road".."Yellow submarine"..."Octopuses garden".."Yer Blues".."#9"..."maggie may"..."Mr. kite"...and some of those indian harrison songs lol

[SMiLE Brian]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Stand next to anything the beatles did? that's probably the craziest thing i've seen posted on here lol..ok let me think of the worst thing the beatles did ..or at least considered a low point..hmmm magical mystery tour(which is my favorite) completely over-shadows anything the beach boys did post smile by a landslide.
i feel that when grams started working with them they became a country group 

I feel like you really don't have your own opinions about music, and just repeat what the music media of rolling stone, MTV, and VH1 tell you about the Beach Boys, Beatles and Byrds.

why do you feel that way?

Parroting lines of "all Beatles albums are god", "beach boys done after smile"

It's a fact ..Mame one beatles album that is "bad"...I'm a fan of the beach boys i'm just being brutally honest even though most of you won't agree with me...after smile their music went downhill  :[ even though they had a few gems here and there.

The Beatles were a great band, but weren't perfect. Yellow submarine album sucked, early albums (while good) had filler covers, albums lacked great singles like strawberry fields, "white album" had revolution 9, and "let it be" was pieced together and overdubbed by Phil Spector from hours of session tapes.

i'm not counting Yellow Submarine as an album ...it's just a soundtrack to the film (no cheating mister)
some of the covers...Yikes.."Honey Pie".."Maxwell's silver hammer".."Why don't we do it in the road".."Yellow submarine"..."Octopuses garden".."Yer Blues".."#9"..."maggie may"..."Mr. kite"...and some of those indian harrison songs lol

So my point is don't say the Beatles are perfect and never put out clunkers, because all bands do. The later Beach Boys is stuff is great in its own way.

[pixletwin]

If Knewb's opinion just happens to follow the economic trajectory of a bands popularity, so be it.

[Newguy562]

If Knewb's opinion just happens to follow the economic trajectory of a bands popularity, so be it.

it's not about popularity it's about good music thats all.

[Newguy562]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Stand next to anything the beatles did? that's probably the craziest thing i've seen posted on here lol..ok let me think of the worst thing the beatles did ..or at least considered a low point..hmmm magical mystery tour(which is my favorite) completely over-shadows anything the beach boys did post smile by a landslide.
i feel that when grams started working with them they became a country group 

I feel like you really don't have your own opinions about music, and just repeat what the music media of rolling stone, MTV, and VH1 tell you about the Beach Boys, Beatles and Byrds.

why do you feel that way?

Parroting lines of "all Beatles albums are god", "beach boys done after smile"

It's a fact ..Mame one beatles album that is "bad"...I'm a fan of the beach boys i'm just being brutally honest even though most of you won't agree with me...after smile their music went downhill  :[ even though they had a few gems here and there.

The Beatles were a great band, but weren't perfect. Yellow submarine album sucked, early albums (while good) had filler covers, albums lacked great singles like strawberry fields, "white album" had revolution 9, and "let it be" was pieced together and overdubbed by Phil Spector from hours of session tapes.

i'm not counting Yellow Submarine as an album ...it's just a soundtrack to the film (no cheating mister)
some of the covers...Yikes.."Honey Pie".."Maxwell's silver hammer".."Why don't we do it in the road".."Yellow submarine"..."Octopuses garden".."Yer Blues".."#9"..."maggie may"..."Mr. kite"...and some of those indian harrison songs lol

So my point is don't say the Beatles are perfect and never put out clunkers, because all bands do. The later Beach Boys is stuff is great in its own way.

You have a point. wild honey pie = i wanna pick you up lol

[pixletwin]

For the record, I love both Honey Pies, Yer Blues, and everything "of those indian harrison songs lol".

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Stand next to anything the beatles did? that's probably the craziest thing i've seen posted on here lol..ok let me think of the worst thing the beatles did ..or at least considered a low point..hmmm magical mystery tour(which is my favorite) completely over-shadows anything the beach boys did post smile by a landslide.
i feel that when grams started working with them they became a country group  

I feel like you really don't have your own opinions about music, and just repeat what the music media of rolling stone, MTV, and VH1 tell you about the Beach Boys, Beatles and Byrds.

why do you feel that way?

Parroting lines of "all Beatles albums are god", "beach boys done after smile"

It's a fact ..name one beatles album that is "bad"...I'm a fan of the beach boys i'm just being brutally honest even though most of you won't agree with me...after smile their music went downhill  :[ even though they had a few gems here and there.

I think Beatles "For Sale" is really really rather weak despite containing some obviously great songs.

[bossaroo]

Newguy is like 14 yrs old guys, so give him a break. at least he's listening to good music.

big Byrds fan here as well... I see a lot of parallels between them and the Beach Boys. they were really the only other American band who could compete with the Beatles for a time.

Gene Clark was by far the most talented of the original lineup. such a rare and introspective talent... like Brian. and he got bullied by McGuinn and Crosby a good deal.

Gram Parsons was another rare talent with so much ambition and vision. He came to L.A. and took not only Crosby's slot in the Byrds, but his girlfriend too. Gram also got fired from the band, but within months he had Byrds Chris Hillman and Mike Clarke in his own band and they recorded one of the coolest and most influential albums of all-time with 'Gilded Palace of Sin'. pretty amazing when you think about it.

then Clarence White joined the Byrds. another absolutely amazing talent. I don't know if he was "better" than Hendrix, their styles were at opposite ends of the spectrum... but he was one of Jimi's favorites.

it amazes me how much genius passed through that band, but like the Beach Boys they were led by a lesser talent who eventually went the nostalgic route.

such a shame that Gene Clark never got the recognition he deserved, and that Gram and Clarence both died so young... they weren't anywhere near being finished.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Let's not forget Michale Clark!

His primitive/tribal drumming on Eight Miles High is a breakthrough moment, I feel for rock! And he was nice and loose live. Plus, his drumming on their other records was nice and garage rockish, keeping them from being too slick ever.

I know Hal Blaine claims he played on everything and really kinda ruined Clark's rep.

[bossaroo]

yeah i see a lot of similarity between Mike Clarke and Dennis as well

[Newguy562]

For the record, I love both Honey Pies, Yer Blues, and everything "of those indian harrison songs lol".

i like honey pie , and all the harisson songs too i'm just pointing out their weaker songs .

[Newguy562]

Probably most "boomers" on this board came to the Beach Boys with their earliest records.  However I actually came to be a BB's fan after Brian's Imagination.  I know that sounds crazy, but it's true.  And, for people to say "you're in denial" simply for expressing an opinion, well that's showing a little bit of disrespect IMHO.

After I became interested in Brian's solo music, I got into the Boys, but in reverse chronological order.

My point?

Pet Sounds is a beautiful work of genius, but it really is almost a solo album, isn't it?  Strangely enough, I listen post-Pet Sounds, WAY more than Pet Sounds.  Pre-Pet Sounds?  Meh!

Whereas, as a group effort, the Sunflower / Surf's Up period is a career height, as is Wild Honey / Friends.  These sets of albums stand next to anything the Beatles ever did.

So, I am only "sad" for two reasons:

1.) I wish the post-Pet Sounds albums I cited had received more critical approval at the time.  They deserved it.
2.) I wish the Boys had  moderated their intake of certain, ah, substances back in the day, ah.........

P.S.
New Guy, the Byrds got much better after Crosby quit (was fired actually by McGuinn and Hillman) and they added first Gram Parsons and then Clarence White.  Clarence was a better guitarist than Hendrix.

Stand next to anything the beatles did? that's probably the craziest thing i've seen posted on here lol..ok let me think of the worst thing the beatles did ..or at least considered a low point..hmmm magical mystery tour(which is my favorite) completely over-shadows anything the beach boys did post smile by a landslide.
i feel that when grams started working with them they became a country group  

I feel like you really don't have your own opinions about music, and just repeat what the music media of rolling stone, MTV, and VH1 tell you about the Beach Boys, Beatles and Byrds.

why do you feel that way?

Parroting lines of "all Beatles albums are god", "beach boys done after smile"

It's a fact ..name one beatles album that is "bad"...I'm a fan of the beach boys i'm just being brutally honest even though most of you won't agree with me...after smile their music went downhill  :[ even though they had a few gems here and there.

I think Beatles "For Sale" is really really rather weak despite containing some obviously great songs.

always was my least favorite maybe because of all those cover songs.

[Heysaboda]

Man, I love Sweetheart of The Rodeo! But then I like country music, so you probably think I have no taste  

You have EXCELLENT taste, indeed you do!

[pixletwin]

For the record, I love both Honey Pies, Yer Blues, and everything "of those indian harrison songs lol".

i like honey pie , and all the harisson songs too i'm just pointing out their weaker songs .

What exactly do you find "weak" about them?

[Zach95]

I don't know why I spent the time reading this entire thread, yet another one of Newguy's emoticon-filled-endlessly-debated-previously subjects that makes him look like he is, indeed, fourteen years old.

[18thofMay]

I am going to go on record and state that Newguy is not cool

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

I wonder how newguy feels about Mike!

OSD has been strangely silent lately, perhaps he's been reincarnated???

But let's go easy on newguy!

He's 14 years old. Weren't we all opinionated yet ill-informed merdaholes at that age? And aren't we exactly that (but maybe a bit more informed) still?

[Heysaboda]

Also, it was not just,

The Byrds: 'Hey, Gram Parsons, you wanna join The Byrds?'

GP: 'Yeah! BTW, we're now going to make a country album.'

It was not only the way the individual Byrds were heading (Hillman especially), but also a lot of the LA scene. The Dillards, The Beau Brummels, Gram Parsons himself, Gene Clark (a Byrd, after all) amongst others were all making country/bluegrass albums in 1968/1969, and predating the early 70's LA scene's fixation with country music. It's the way the scene was going, and The Byrds got the enviable chance to go down to Nashville and use the real pros to make Sweetheart.

You are 100% correct.

McGuinn and Hillman did as much as Gram to make Sweetheart a country even bluegrass (see "I Am a Pilgrim" and "Pretty Boy Floyd") album.  Chris had been a long time mandolin picker in the Scottsville Squirrel Barkers and, of course, The Hillmen.

[rab2591]

Perhaps he is only 14.

It doesn't give him the right to tell people to "chill the f*** out". He doesn't need to say we're all "in denial" for having an opinion.

The more I read his posts the more I think he's a troll: He pisses us off, then he backs away. He pisses us off even more, then backs away....It was amusing, but now it's just plain annoying.