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« Reply #175 on: January 01, 2012, 01:18:14 PM »

I still want to make a few more basic mixes, Vega-Tables for example. I want to avoid the cross-fade and the extra instrumental bars if possible, are there any ideas on what the best way is to achieve that? I already tried to edit the first bars out, and it only seems to sound OK when I use a small fade in, which I actually try to avoid...

What parts specifically?  I was able to edit out some things and insert a second of the tracking sections to replace were the residue of the crossfade would have been.  Does that even make sense?  :/

Hi soniclovenoize, first of all thanks for your fan mix!

Yeah, I also did that but Vega-Tables originally started with the vocal straightaway originally. I'm afraid that edit is only possible using a small fade in, but for just a clean start it is indeed an option to use a bit of the tracking sessions.
Oh, I see, you mean starting the song with "I'm" instead of the intro bars?  I believe I can make you that...  How would you want the rest of the song to go?

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OK wait, my edit starts right away...  Are you saying you want one that has the few bars into or without? 
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« Reply #176 on: January 02, 2012, 01:09:44 AM »

I still want to make a few more basic mixes, Vega-Tables for example. I want to avoid the cross-fade and the extra instrumental bars if possible, are there any ideas on what the best way is to achieve that? I already tried to edit the first bars out, and it only seems to sound OK when I use a small fade in, which I actually try to avoid...

What parts specifically?  I was able to edit out some things and insert a second of the tracking sections to replace were the residue of the crossfade would have been.  Does that even make sense?  :/

Hi soniclovenoize, first of all thanks for your fan mix!

Yeah, I also did that but Vega-Tables originally started with the vocal straightaway originally. I'm afraid that edit is only possible using a small fade in, but for just a clean start it is indeed an option to use a bit of the tracking sessions.
Oh, I see, you mean starting the song with "I'm" instead of the intro bars?  I believe I can make you that...  How would you want the rest of the song to go?

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OK wait, my edit starts right away...  Are you saying you want one that has the few bars into or without? 

Yeah, I'd like to have a mix that starts right away without the intro bars. The rest of the song is fine for me, it's just that intro that was not supposed to be there according to sessions and mixes from '67. Did you manage to get a good start of the song without any fading (so with a hard edit) or did you have to use a fade in as well to make it sound OK?
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« Reply #177 on: January 02, 2012, 01:31:53 PM »

I still want to make a few more basic mixes, Vega-Tables for example. I want to avoid the cross-fade and the extra instrumental bars if possible, are there any ideas on what the best way is to achieve that? I already tried to edit the first bars out, and it only seems to sound OK when I use a small fade in, which I actually try to avoid...

What parts specifically?  I was able to edit out some things and insert a second of the tracking sections to replace were the residue of the crossfade would have been.  Does that even make sense?  :/

Hi soniclovenoize, first of all thanks for your fan mix!

Yeah, I also did that but Vega-Tables originally started with the vocal straightaway originally. I'm afraid that edit is only possible using a small fade in, but for just a clean start it is indeed an option to use a bit of the tracking sessions.
Oh, I see, you mean starting the song with "I'm" instead of the intro bars?  I believe I can make you that...  How would you want the rest of the song to go?

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OK wait, my edit starts right away...  Are you saying you want one that has the few bars into or without? 

Yeah, I'd like to have a mix that starts right away without the intro bars. The rest of the song is fine for me, it's just that intro that was not supposed to be there according to sessions and mixes from '67. Did you manage to get a good start of the song without any fading (so with a hard edit) or did you have to use a fade in as well to make it sound OK?

Hm, I just used the stereo mix from the LP, it has a hard start juts how you want it!  Wink 
Here's my mix of Vege-Tables, as you can hear it starts off right away. 
http://www.mediafire.com/?fg43pwy6rf95x46

Also, in playing back the sessions tapes from TSS and SoT17, it seems that was how it was recorded, so it feels like Linnett created that intro himself by repeating the first 4 bars and tagging it onto the beginning... 
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« Reply #178 on: January 02, 2012, 01:37:48 PM »

Thanks! Can you tell me what source for the vinyl rip you used, and if you think that's the best source, may be in a PM?
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« Reply #179 on: January 03, 2012, 06:31:49 PM »

Thanks! Can you tell me what source for the vinyl rip you used, and if you think that's the best source, may be in a PM?

I think he used the one that comes with the Smile Sessions Set.  It has the hard intro.
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« Reply #180 on: January 22, 2012, 09:13:28 PM »

Welcome SmileMixers!

I'm new to this message board but have been SMiLE-obsessed for over ten years.  Like many of you I've dreamed about what a completed 60's-era Smile would have sounded like, and made some tentative mixes from the SOT boots a few years ago.  With the release of TSS in November, I've decided now is the time to realize my vision.  My aim is to compile a 40 minute, "2-Sided" 13-song stereo album (circa 1967) that hopefully invokes other psychedelic classics of that era (Sgt Pepper, Satanic Majesties, Piper at the Gates of Dawn, etc.).  Because I'll be incorporating the best bits from both the Smile AND Smiley Smile Sessions, I will in no way attempt to be historically accurate and will take liberties some may well consider heretical.  Any comments or suggestions will be welcome!

The first song I've completed is Heroes and Villains Part 1.  Here's the DL link:

http://www.mediafire.com/?6119kgbsp77y79i
 
http://www.4shared.com/music/ABGAQNOQ/Heroes_And_Villains_Part_1.html

I didn't mess around too much with the formula on this one, since it WAS released as a single.  But beware of what will follow!!





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« Reply #181 on: January 23, 2012, 07:11:32 PM »

Welcome SmileMixers!

I'm new to this message board but have been SMiLE-obsessed for over ten years.  Like many of you I've dreamed about what a completed 60's-era Smile would have sounded like, and made some tentative mixes from the SOT boots a few years ago.  With the release of TSS in November, I've decided now is the time to realize my vision.  My aim is to compile a 40 minute, "2-Sided" 13-song stereo album (circa 1967) that hopefully invokes other psychedelic classics of that era (Sgt Pepper, Satanic Majesties, Piper at the Gates of Dawn, etc.).  Because I'll be incorporating the best bits from both the Smile AND Smiley Smile Sessions, I will in no way attempt to be historically accurate and will take liberties some may well consider heretical.  Any comments or suggestions will be welcome!

The first song I've completed is Heroes and Villains Part 1.  Here's the DL link:
 
http://www.4shared.com/music/ABGAQNOQ/Heroes_And_Villains_Part_1.html

I didn't mess around too much with the formula on this one, since it WAS released as a single.  But beware of what will follow!!






I gotta say, I like this quite a bit. I hope the rest of your mix goes well.
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« Reply #182 on: January 24, 2012, 06:37:24 AM »

Thanks.
 
Next up is Vegetables, which will be a Smile / Smiley Smile hybrid.
Should be finished in a few days.

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« Reply #183 on: February 20, 2012, 05:51:19 PM »

Added some BG vocals from Vegetables to The Old Master Painter:

Listen:  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52684612/The%20Old%20Master%20Painter.mp3

Download:  http://www.mediafire.com/?5j1zjj5551v7bpj
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« Reply #184 on: May 18, 2013, 11:34:58 AM »

Wish I could find JMZ's mix somewhere. It seems to be completely lost from the internet.
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« Reply #185 on: May 18, 2013, 02:41:43 PM »

Nope, just looked and it's still there. From 2011, the most recent addition to the web site.
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« Reply #186 on: May 20, 2013, 05:49:37 AM »

Where where??
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« Reply #187 on: June 03, 2013, 06:36:48 AM »

Hey long time board reader/first time poster! Wink

If anyone wants to have a look at my Heroes & Villains single pt 1 & 2 mix (pt 1 finishes at 2:05), here it is:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/9yufe95p4w58vtk/H%26VSingle45.wav

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« Reply #188 on: June 04, 2013, 12:20:35 AM »

Perm.denied!
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« Reply #189 on: June 04, 2013, 07:31:55 AM »

sorry about that! DAMN YOU MEDIAFIRE!  Angry

there you go.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xj1j9myrublpnjp/h%2Bvpt1%2B2.wav

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« Reply #190 on: July 25, 2013, 07:59:24 AM »

Here is an "outside the boxset" approach to DYLW.  The historical contex of this trak (and my entire SMiLE fan mix) is .....well there is no album ..................and knowing the way Brian tinkered endlessly........and given enough time and money....welllll?? 
http://www.4shared.com/folder/FXVetYBy/_online.html
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Part 2      https://youtu.be/Z5Y03Yldd8w
Part 3      https://youtu.be/10lsycE9t1k
Part 4      https://youtu.be/aYtjCZTBDWI
Part 5      https://youtu.be/7HTiVweBCv8
Part 6      https://youtu.be/DoFi59asxZ4
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« Reply #191 on: July 25, 2013, 09:00:13 AM »

Here is an "outside the boxset" approach to DYLW.  The historical contex of this trak (and my entire SMiLE fan mix) is .....well there is no album ..................and knowing the way Brian tinkered endlessly........and given enough time and money....welllll?? 
http://www.4shared.com/folder/FXVetYBy/_online.html

OK I listened to it, but I don't understand it. Is Good Vibrations a part of the DYLW concept to you? Anyway, it was different; that's for sure.
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« Reply #192 on: July 25, 2013, 09:55:52 AM »

The addition of GV at the end was an afterthought and imo not part of DYLW.  I was playing with the "row" chant and looking for somewhere to go with it.  The file shared here is part2 of DYLW that includes bicycle rider, follows Cabinessence in album sequence and serves as a closing to the "American Saga" portion of this mix.  Part1 uses the  Indian chants plus "church of the American Indian" sections and serves as the opening.
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Part 4      https://youtu.be/aYtjCZTBDWI
Part 5      https://youtu.be/7HTiVweBCv8
Part 6      https://youtu.be/DoFi59asxZ4
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« Reply #193 on: March 30, 2014, 04:48:38 PM »


So, old thread...I've posted this info in bits and pieces elsewhere but it seems relevant for this place as well.

When it comes to SMiLE I feel there are endless valid ways to mix it all together. It's because of this that I've come resent the BWPS playing order and its acceptance as the standard on TSS and most fan mixes. I personally don't think the 'three suites" order does the material justice. They all sound very uneven between Americana's many musical fragments, Innocence's scant 4 song length, and the Element's haphazardness (The Elements was originally a 4ish minute instrumental, not a conglomeration of Fire/WC/V-T/Dada.)

I've heard some "one suite" continuous mixes as well but I think those tend to drone on and lose the listener. That's why I prefer a "two suite" mix, broken up by the Sides of the LP. Or a "No suite" mix, just 12-14 songs as they are. VDP claims the conventional 12 song idea is accurate, Vosse doesn't mention any suites in his interview, and Brian had never done anything like that before. But then again, SMiLE was unconventional in every way, the album as an artistic whole was being realized by most artists around 1966(by Brian himself, with Pet Sounds) and there are so many musical motifs between the tracks and thematic ideas which span many a song...so I think it's appropriate to group the songs by "Side." Not as strict suites but just as simple collections of tracks that sound best together. 

For my Two Side Mix I followed Today's example and put the 'rockers' on Side 1 and the more somber tracks on Side Two. As it worked out, Side One ended up being the story of America and Side Two the Cycle of Life. The tracks traditionally associated with the elements ended up being split, but keep in mind they were never meant to be together anyway circa '67. It kind of makes sense this way as well: the songs we associate with Earth and Fire are part of the American Story--stealing and reforging the land from the Indians. While Air and Water make sense in the cycle of life. They're necessary for our body to take in, all we are is dust in the wind/all life comes from water...

So anyway, I call it SMiLE: Reflections and the links to listen on YouTube are in my signature. The Track Order is:

Side One
(Our Prayer/Gee)
1-Heroes and Villains
2-Cabin Essence
3-Do You Like Worms?
4-Mrs. O'Leary's Cow
5-Vega-Tables
6-Heroes and Villains (Reprise)

Side Two
(You're Welcome/Holidays)
7-Wind Chimes
8-Child is Father of the Man
9-Wonderful/Look (I Ran)
10-Cool, Cool Water
11-Second Day (Love to Say Dada)
12-Surf's Up

Pretty unique. Some heretical decisions like including CCW at the expense of Good Vibrations, but it flows really well musically and thematically. Not 100% accurate but it's a 12 tracker at believable album length (about 48 minutes) that showcases the most complete songs in extended form. I excised the fragments (Barnyard, First half of Holidays, OMP, Workshop) in favor of beefing up the core tracks (Worms, Fire, Wind Chimes, CIFOTM, Wonderful, CCW are all extended with session outtakes.) As for the others, I edited Heroes and split it up so it'd flow better, I used the single version of VT with a restored piano-intro overlaid with the ballad insert, Look from the SMiLE AD 4 mix, and flown in flutes for Dada. 

I'm mostly happy with the results, but I would like to improve some things: 
--For starters, Im thinking of taking out Gee (for time purposes and as someone else said, it's sort of anticlimactic after Prayer) and putting in the Bridge to Indians vocal part leading into the trumpet from the end of Gee into H&V proper.

--Perhaps adding in the Whistling Bridge part before the fade-out of H&V

--Taking out the lone BWPS fly in at the end of CE. I despise BWPS fly ins out of principle, I wasn't aware this part was from that, and now that I know, I'll be removing it.

--Experimenting with putting in the Whistle In vocals over the extended part from the sessions at the end of Worms 

--Experimenting with Wonderful's "Mama" chant over certain parts in Fire. Don't ask why.

--Perhaps bringing the Workshop track back in as an intro to V-T, overlaid with vegetable crunching and the best of the Veggies Fight with Hal. This could almost be seen as a reenactment of the European/Indian clash over the land and how ridiculous it was. This might prove to be a better transition from Fire's horror to V-T's humor as well. 

--Plug either the H&V Piano Theme/Part Two Master Take or OMP between the Bicycle Rider Chorus of H&V and the False Barnyard Fadeout.

--Reinstate half of the first half of Holidays after You're Welcome  

--Clean up the transition between WC and CIFOTM by splicing in some of Wind Chimes Version 1 from the sessions. 

--Splicing in the Pretty Baby Don't You Rock with me, Henry parts of Wonderful over the Piano Fade.

--Keep Look as an instrumental, perhaps with some CIFOTM trumpets over the throwback parts, and (if they fit) fly in the 'church of the American Indian' parts too as a link to Side One 

--Try to splice the backing 'drip drip drink a little' parts into the instrumental part of CCW

--Experiment with overlaying the Talking Horns over Surf's Up part 2 so that the falsetto fade outs match the eerie trumpet fade outs that begin around 1:30 or so. At the the end of SU proper, the opening trumpet riffs of George Fell (as well as the comedy skit itself) comes on. This will balance each Side with a comedy section. This one after Surf's Up fits thematically as it expresses the merging of a man with his music. 

^This version, when I finally get around to making it, will be called SMiLE: Reflections (The Indulgence Cut.) I'm hoping to keep it at 50 minutes or under so it could still conceivably fit on one vinyl album (even if it is pushing the limit.) 

Anyway, I have to say I'm a little disappointed reading these comments and seeing the desire for more BWPS mash ups and acceptance of the track order. Personally, nothing takes my out of a SMiLE mix quicker than BWPS sections hamfisted in (it's like fixing a shattered vase with duct tape--yes, it's "fixed" but the tape obscures the beauty of the original fragments), and the BWPS order does the material a disservice. My issues with the TSS version are as follows:

--H&V sounds kinda "messy." Most fan mixes and bootlegs I've heard sequence this track a lot better, and it's just a bit too long for my tastes. I love H&Vs, but some versions of it wear out their welcome and drag on, and this is one of them. I hate the way it ends especially. Just...very anticlimactic.

-All the fragmentary, unfinished, flow-killing "feels" at the beginning cause the album to lose all momentum. I always find newcomers to SMiLE getting bored at this point. Yeah, Barnyard and OMP are nice, but they should've been left on the outtakes discs, not in the now-official cut of the album.

-Wonderful, Look and CIFOTM don't flow into one another as they could/should. CIFOTM is too short for all the beautiful outtakes recorded for it. The fly-ins for Look are distracting, underwhelming and unnecessary. If you couldn't find the lost vocal session, just keep it an instrumental.

-Surf's Up's emotional power is completely lost when the absurd, humorous Vega-Tables comes so soon after. It's like the beginning of a whole seperate album and not in a good way. 

-I didn't mind, but I can see why people dislike the Whispering Winds fly-ins.

-Why leave Cool, cool water off if you include I Wanna Be Around? Why not put Workshop after Fire if you insist on including it at all? Why fly in vocals for Dada but not the flutes from Second Day? 

-Apparently I'm in the minority here, but I hate GV as an album closer. 

So, I may be in minority, but my work deals with addressing these issues for those of us who prefer a different order. Personally, while I love the boxset, I hate the Disc 1 19-track version of the album. I agree with the sentiment that it will be seen as a mistake in the years to come. 
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« Reply #194 on: March 31, 2014, 11:21:21 AM »

One needs only to look at the track listings of Smiley Smile, 20/20 and Surf's Up to realize what the final lineup would (or should) have been on a 2-sided SMiLE LP in 1967:  Side One opens with Our Prayer/Heroes and Villains and closes with Cabinessence.  Side Two opens with Good Vibrations (at Capitol's insistance I'm certain) and closes with Surf's Up.  Everything else is anyone's guess.  I just don't see anything else that works as well.

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« Reply #195 on: March 31, 2014, 11:36:56 AM »

I tried an "authentic" mix not too long ago, and the resulting tracklist turned out about as basic a sequence as you can get for Smile:

Side 1
01. Our Prayer
02. Heroes and Villains ("part 1" off MiC)
03. I'm In Great Shape - my own mix suspiciously similar to soniclovenoize's (sorry)
04. Vega-Tables
05. Do You Like Worms?
06. Cabin Essence

Side 2
01. Good Vibrations
02. Wind Chimes
03. The Elements
04. Wonderful
05. Child Is Father Of The Man
06. Surf's Up
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« Reply #196 on: March 31, 2014, 11:40:08 AM »

One needs only to look at the track listings of Smiley Smile, 20/20 and Surf's Up to realize what the final lineup would (or should) have been on a 2-sided SMiLE LP in 1967:  Side One opens with Our Prayer/Heroes and Villains and closes with Cabinessence.  Side Two opens with Good Vibrations (at Capitol's insistance I'm certain) and closes with Surf's Up.  Everything else is anyone's guess.  I just don't see anything else that works as well.



I agree, on a 100% historical mix H&V opens Side One and GV opens Side Two. I don't think we can be as certain of CE and SU as closers tho. It's just as possible for VT to be one of the closers (it was considered as a potential single) or for Surf's Up to close Side One...

There's really no way we can be sure. I've also heard OMP was supposed to be some sort of finale. Whether for Side One or the whole album I don't know.
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Aquarian SMiLE>HERE
Dumb Angel (Olorin Edition)>HERE
Dumb Angel [the Romestamo Cut]>HERE

& This is a new pet project Ive worked on, which combines Fritz Lang's classic film, Metropolis (1927) with The United States of America (1968) as a new soundtrack. More info is in the video description.
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« Reply #197 on: March 31, 2014, 12:42:54 PM »

I tried an "authentic" mix not too long ago, and the resulting tracklist turned out about as basic a sequence as you can get for Smile:

Side 1
01. Our Prayer
02. Heroes and Villains ("part 1" off MiC)
03. I'm In Great Shape - my own mix suspiciously similar to soniclovenoize's (sorry)
04. Vega-Tables
05. Do You Like Worms?
06. Cabin Essence

Side 2
01. Good Vibrations
02. Wind Chimes
03. The Elements
04. Wonderful
05. Child Is Father Of The Man
06. Surf's Up

I've experimented on several "No Suite" 60s style (2 sides, ~12 track) tracklists. By "No Suite" I mean I made absolutely no effort to sort the songs based on theme. Here's two of those mixes:

Prayer/H&V
CIFOTM
Cabin Essence
CCW
DYLW
Surfs Up

GV
Holidays
Wind Chimes
Wonderful
Friday Nights/Workshop
VT

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You're Welcome/H&V
Wonderful
DYLW
CIFOTM
OMP
GV

H&V Part 2
VT
CE
Wind Chimes
The Elements
Surfs Up/Prayer

In the first one, Brian has discarded the elements already. In the second, we're following Vosse's suggestion that Prayer be at the end
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Aquarian SMiLE>HERE
Dumb Angel (Olorin Edition)>HERE
Dumb Angel [the Romestamo Cut]>HERE

& This is a new pet project Ive worked on, which combines Fritz Lang's classic film, Metropolis (1927) with The United States of America (1968) as a new soundtrack. More info is in the video description.
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« Reply #198 on: March 31, 2014, 05:26:15 PM »

I love "Our Prayer", one of my favorite BB/BW songs, and it's in all my SMiLE fanmixes. But, I wonder if it would've been on a 1967 album? Sometimes I can hear the album starting out simply with "Heroes And Villains".
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« Reply #199 on: March 31, 2014, 05:39:39 PM »

I love "Our Prayer", one of my favorite BB/BW songs, and it's in all my SMiLE fanmixes. But, I wonder if it would've been on a 1967 album? Sometimes I can hear the album starting out simply with "Heroes And Villains".

According to Vosse it was the ending. According to Brian on the tapes it's an intro to the album. I disagree that it wouldve been left off. It wouldve been part of H&V, not its own entity as has happened retroactively, so technically the album *would* be starting simply with H&V.
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Aquarian SMiLE>HERE
Dumb Angel (Olorin Edition)>HERE
Dumb Angel [the Romestamo Cut]>HERE

& This is a new pet project Ive worked on, which combines Fritz Lang's classic film, Metropolis (1927) with The United States of America (1968) as a new soundtrack. More info is in the video description.
The American Metropolitan Circus>HERE
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