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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2011, 11:06:29 PM »

I have a question about the "Rock With Me Henry" version of Wonderful from the box set. Why is Carl's line "I need some water, man" missing?
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« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2011, 01:27:30 PM »

I have a question about the "Rock With Me Henry" version of Wonderful from the box set. Why is Carl's line "I need some water, man" missing?

I'm sure it was just an aesthetics thing, or perhaps out of respect for Carl, who probably wouldn't have wanted that line (or even the whole vocal) to be heard at all. 
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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2011, 04:02:39 PM »

I have a question about the "Rock With Me Henry" version of Wonderful from the box set. Why is Carl's line "I need some water, man" missing?

I'm sure it was just an aesthetics thing, or perhaps out of respect for Carl, who probably wouldn't have wanted that line (or even the whole vocal) to be heard at all. 

Makes it easier to use if you want it in a mix.
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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2011, 04:18:33 PM »

Never realized until now how much I hate the 'Rock with me Henry' part.
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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2011, 09:21:06 PM »

It can be edited out easily. I did a mix of it without Mike's part months ago.
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« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2011, 09:55:12 PM »

I'm really confused regarding what they have of "version 1" of this song in the archives.  It seems to only exist in various forms of mono mixes that add and subtract elements.  Brian's mono mix featured on the GV box set doesn't have what are commonly referred to as the "yodeling" vocals and has different backing vocals during that part that aren't present on the yodeling version.  There's also a mono mix of the backing track w/o Brian's lead, but with all of the backing vocals (including the yodeling).

The isolated backing track seems to be missing...like many SMiLE recordings the master take was snipped off of the reel.  Based on the snippet of early takes on the box set, the backing track was recorded in mono.

Where it gets confusing: the vocal only montage adds isolated stereo backing vocals (including the yodeling) to the mix that could only come from a multitrack.  Where did these come from?  Wouldn't the backing track and Brian's vocal also be on this tape?  That mono mix of the backing vocals and backing track without Brian's vocals suggests that no bouncing was done, but even if these came from a 2nd stage tape with the track/Brian's vocal in mono they could still manufacture a decent stereo mix.  Why wasn't it done for the vinyl?
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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2011, 12:03:44 AM »

I have a question about the "Rock With Me Henry" version of Wonderful from the box set. Why is Carl's line "I need some water, man" missing?

I'm sure it was just an aesthetics thing, or perhaps out of respect for Carl, who probably wouldn't have wanted that line (or even the whole vocal) to be heard at all. 
I always thought it was part of the song though. I've always thought of the "Rock With Me Henry" version as kind of a comedy song. The talking during the song seemed to fit with Mike's goofy bass vocals.
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« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2011, 10:17:08 PM »

I have a question about the "Rock With Me Henry" version of Wonderful from the box set. Why is Carl's line "I need some water, man" missing?

Isn't it obvious?  Sometime after the date of that session, they gave him some water.  It was probably around the time of the '67 Cool Cool Water sessions, although I guess it could have been as late as Sunflower.
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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2011, 03:50:29 AM »

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Anyone notice on the tape box photos after the Sessionography, it has the box for the Vegetables Fade, with the notes - 'Like Heroes Bridge + Middle Part of Wonderful'

Which he means the 'chorus' of H&V, as someone plays the same riff on the piano during the Veggies fade.

This might well mean the Smiley Smile version of Wonderful  is the closest we have to BW's original plan in terms of structure..... or not  Huh
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« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2011, 06:32:12 AM »

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Anyone notice on the tape box photos after the Sessionography, it has the box for the Vegetables Fade, with the notes - 'Like Heroes Bridge + Middle Part of Wonderful'

Which he means the 'chorus' of H&V, as someone plays the same riff on the piano during the Veggies fade.

This might well mean the Smiley Smile version of Wonderful  is the closest we have to BW's original plan in terms of structure..... or not  Huh

Great catch!  I've always liked to think Smiley held some clues to Smile.
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« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2011, 10:36:59 PM »


Where it gets confusing: the vocal only montage adds isolated stereo backing vocals (including the yodeling) to the mix that could only come from a multitrack.  Where did these come from?  Wouldn't the backing track and Brian's vocal also be on this tape?  That mono mix of the backing vocals and backing track without Brian's vocals suggests that no bouncing was done, but even if these came from a 2nd stage tape with the track/Brian's vocal in mono they could still manufacture a decent stereo mix.  Why wasn't it done for the vinyl?

I want to know this too, and I wish someone would make a stereo version using the backing track and background vocals, because I sure as hell can't get it to work!
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« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2011, 12:56:39 AM »

Was the rock me with Henry bit, ever really 'on the table' as a vocal insert, or was it just a duff lyric to fill in a bass vocal line to be determined at a later point. Who's Henry?

I think this disc 1 version, is just about perfect, great to see the yodel back in, I feel sure it would have been lower in the mix back in the day, bur nice to hear closer to the front
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« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2011, 01:37:00 AM »

I want to know this too, and I wish someone would make a stereo version using the backing track and background vocals, because I sure as hell can't get it to work!

It's not perfect, but here you go:  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IFJ3W558

Who's Henry?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaIJvlHXEqU
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« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2011, 02:05:40 AM »

I want to know this too, and I wish someone would make a stereo version using the backing track and background vocals, because I sure as hell can't get it to work!

It's not perfect, but here you go:  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IFJ3W558

Who's Henry?

Ah thanks for that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaIJvlHXEqU
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« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2011, 12:26:58 PM »

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Anyone notice on the tape box photos after the Sessionography, it has the box for the Vegetables Fade, with the notes - 'Like Heroes Bridge + Middle Part of Wonderful'

Which he means the 'chorus' of H&V, as someone plays the same riff on the piano during the Veggies fade.

This might well mean the Smiley Smile version of Wonderful  is the closest we have to BW's original plan in terms of structure..... or not  Huh

I have a suspicion this note (in black marker and different from the other writing on the box) was added to the tape box after the SMILEY SMILE version of "Wonderful" had been issued. Perhaps Carl or Stephen Desper notated this in '68 or '72 when reviewing the tapes?
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« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2011, 06:59:09 AM »

I always thought it was part of the song though. I've always thought of the "Rock With Me Henry" version as kind of a comedy song. The talking during the song seemed to fit with Mike's goofy bass vocals.

That'd be Brian, not Mike.

Took ages before I warmed up to the "Rock With Me Henry" version, but I really like it now. Both it and the original have so much to offer that the other doesn't, there's a really cool vibe on this one.
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« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2011, 07:01:49 AM »

Also, anyone else notice that they autotuned the bajeezus out of Carl's flubbing of the "locket" line? Not a fan.
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« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2011, 02:17:15 PM »

Also, anyone else notice that they autotuned the bajeezus out of Carl's flubbing of the "locket" line? Not a fan.

Holy crap they did, I completely missed it!  Shocked Another case with the release of "just because one can, does not mean one should"
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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2011, 07:37:13 PM »

I want to know this too, and I wish someone would make a stereo version using the backing track and background vocals, because I sure as hell can't get it to work!

It's not perfect, but here you go:  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IFJ3W558

Who's Henry?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaIJvlHXEqU

Thanks! That's pretty darn good!
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« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2011, 10:57:22 AM »

Also, anyone else notice that they autotuned the bajeezus out of Carl's flubbing of the "locket" line? Not a fan.

You know what, my first reaction to this was no they haven't, but you're right. They've not auto tuned it to be in tune, they've simply fixed the pitching of the already out of tune note. He's flailing all over the place on the SOT version on that "locket" word.

I think they thought they could make it less embarrassing by fixing it so it wasn't as bad, but he was so out anyway, what was the point?
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« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2011, 02:26:51 PM »

Also, anyone else notice that they autotuned the bajeezus out of Carl's flubbing of the "locket" line? Not a fan.

You know what, my first reaction to this was no they haven't, but you're right. They've not auto tuned it to be in tune, they've simply fixed the pitching of the already out of tune note. He's flailing all over the place on the SOT version on that "locket" word.

I think they thought they could make it less embarrassing by fixing it so it wasn't as bad, but he was so out anyway, what was the point?

Beats me. Too much fun pointing and clicking rather than keeping things in perspective?
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« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2011, 05:55:06 AM »

The more I hear this the more I like it.
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« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2011, 10:16:57 PM »

This one is a new "definitive" for me.
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« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2011, 01:12:53 AM »

I want to know this too, and I wish someone would make a stereo version using the backing track and background vocals, because I sure as hell can't get it to work!

It's not perfect, but here you go:  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IFJ3W558

Who's Henry?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaIJvlHXEqU

Good initiative, but it sounds like you have drenched pretty much everything with reverb? I like the idea of those vocals being panned differently though. You could also do some volume automation here and there, especially on the 'da-da-da's' on the right side of the stereo image.

Also, on a general note, it would be a lot better if people started using soundcloud for these fan-things. So much easier to access and download.
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« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2011, 01:44:15 AM »

I want to know this too, and I wish someone would make a stereo version using the backing track and background vocals, because I sure as hell can't get it to work!

It's not perfect, but here you go:  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IFJ3W558



*clapping hands* I think it's almost perfect. My only wish is that the brass should be louder during the second and third chorus
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