London Riots

[hypehat]

I leave for three days and you make a mess of the place....

But seriously. I live in New Cross, South London, but have been on holiday in Spain for the last three days. And I'm starting to get worried about these riots, and I know there are a couple of London SMiley SMilers here besides myself (although some haven't checked in in a while....) . So is everyone ok, what do we all think is going on, and everything.

My house is on Lewisham Way too, so I'm worried it might get in the way of the action simply  by virtue of being on the main road. I'm trying to find out what i can via the BBC and Twitter, but no-one seems to know anything.... I'm getting worried.

[Sam_BFC]

It is very close to home for me, very worrying...it is kicking off in Camden now apparently; my sister is there staying at a friends says she is inside and not near any shops.

A friends who is a special constable (voluntary policeman) has been called into to work this evening.

I am guessing you have seen the news...it all started over a fatal shooting by the police in Tottenham but clearly the events of the last two nights have nothing to do with that any more.

West Ham have cancelled tomorrow night's Carling Cup clash with Aldershot.

These rioters really must not know they are born 

[SMiLE Brian]

how did somebody get shot? I thought UK police were not allowed to carry guns as a tradition?

[hypehat]

how did somebody get shot? I thought UK police were not allowed to carry guns as a tradition?

No, they can - It's become more prevalent since the 7/7 bombings, in my experience. and certainly around central London. It gives me the creeps.

So I'm finding out now. The majority of my close friends have either gone home anyway, or are staying in with a lot of beer and keeping an eye on the news. No-one seems to be able to get in touch with my friend who is quite into his protesting (not a vandalising arsehole, rather an idealist) and it doesn't help he's fairly bad with his phone and he's not on facebook/twitter....My friends in Deptford and Hackney have worn the worst, it would seem.

Your sister should be ok - hope your friend stays cool, Sam_BFC.

It's just spiralled out of control, and Twitter is a bloody mess of rumours and semantics. The BBC are really under-reporting it, and Sky are being horribly sensationalist about i (no surprises there). I just want to know what's happening....

[SMiLE Brian]

how did somebody get shot? I thought UK police were not allowed to carry guns as a tradition?

No, they can - It's become more prevalent since the 7/7 bombings, in my experience. and certainly around central London. It gives me the creeps.

So I'm finding out now. The majority of my close friends have either gone home anyway, or are staying in with a lot of beer and keeping an eye on the news. No-one seems to be able to get in touch with my friend who is quite into his protesting (not a vandalising arsehole, rather an idealist) and it doesn't help he's fairly bad with his phone and he's not on facebook/twitter....My friends in Deptford and Hackney have worn the worst, it would seem.

Your sister should be ok - hope your friend stays cool, Sam_BFC.

It's just spiralled out of control, and Twitter is a bloody mess of rumours and semantics. The BBC are really under-reporting it, and Sky are being horribly sensationalist about i (no surprises there). I just want to know what's happening....

I live in the United States, but if you can't find any info on the riots, you can check youtube for raw video to see whats going on.



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[hypehat]

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=207192798388318292131.0004aa01af6748773e8f7&msa=0&ll=51.482024%2C-0.147629&spn=0.074726%2C0.153637

Sam, it would appear that the Electric Ballroom in Camden was attacked last night, but nobody was hurt.

It seems to be over now, thankfully.

[Alex]

and Sky are being horribly sensationalist about i (no surprises there). I just want to know what's happening....

Isn't Sky owned by Murdoch? If it's anything like Fox "News" I could just imagine what they're saying.

[Jason]

It's tough to be a libertarian socialist with right-wing crypto-Nazi nonsense on Fox and Sky "news" that so many people take oh so seriously.

[SMiLE Brian]

It's tough to be a libertarian socialist with right-wing crypto-Nazi nonsense on Fox and Sky "news" that so many people take oh so seriously.

Fox News just exists so people get angry and distracted over issues that are really not important, while real issues stay unsolved.

[Jason]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29lmR_357rA&feature=related

This was actually aired on that evil network.

[Heysaboda]

It's tough to be a libertarian socialist with right-wing crypto-Nazi nonsense on Fox and Sky "news" that so many people take oh so seriously.

Fox News just exists so people get angry and distracted over issues that are really not important, while real issues stay unsolved.

True.

Now, who said: "Keep them doped with religion, and sex and TV"?

John Lennon.

[OBLiO]

It's tough to be a libertarian socialist with right-wing crypto-Nazi nonsense on Fox and Sky "news" that so many people take oh so seriously.

Hi Real Beach Boy,

The Nazi's were socialists. NAZI is an acronym or nickname for National Socialist and they were a political party. I believe it was Goebbels even wrote or said that there was very little difference between communism and Naziism. The only real difference I can see is that they did everything for Germany and in the name of Germany, hence the use of the term National. Here is a quote by Goebbels: "As socialists, we are opponents of the Jews, because we see, in the Hebrews, the incarnation of capitalism, of the misuse of the nation’s goods." which leads me to believe that they did not kill the Jews because they were Jewish, but because they were capitalists. They killed anyone who didn't fall into the Socialist Utopian line and the Jews are deeply entrenched in tradition.

I heard some interviews of the people on the street doing the damage in London. In their own words they stated they wanted to show the rich they could do whatever they want and that includes attacking their neighbors and destroying their businesses. That they deserve what the so-called rich have and if they can't have it they will destroy it.

I'm not a political person or anything like that, but I see the misuse of the term Nazi and decided to throw my two cents in.

Peace.

Stay safe in London to those who live there.

[hypehat]

and Sky are being horribly sensationalist about i (no surprises there). I just want to know what's happening....

Isn't Sky owned by Murdoch? If it's anything like Fox "News" I could just imagine what they're saying.

If Hackgate has taught me anything, it's the workings of News International. Murdoch owns a 40% stake in Sky. He was trying to buy it outright until the fact his organisation uses criminal means to obtain stories somehow meant he could not proceed. Funny, that.....

[hypehat]

FWIW, London is about as safe as usual.

The press here is being as disgusting as usual wrt the 'real reason' - single mothers, multiculturalism.....

[Jason]

It's tough to be a libertarian socialist with right-wing crypto-Nazi nonsense on Fox and Sky "news" that so many people take oh so seriously.

Hi Real Beach Boy,

The Nazi's were socialists. NAZI is an acronym or nickname for National Socialist and they were a political party. I believe it was Goebbels even wrote or said that there was very little difference between communism and Naziism. The only real difference I can see is that they did everything for Germany and in the name of Germany, hence the use of the term National. Here is a quote by Goebbels: "As socialists, we are opponents of the Jews, because we see, in the Hebrews, the incarnation of capitalism, of the misuse of the nation’s goods." which leads me to believe that they did not kill the Jews because they were Jewish, but because they were capitalists. They killed anyone who didn't fall into the Socialist Utopian line and the Jews are deeply entrenched in tradition.

I heard some interviews of the people on the street doing the damage in London. In their own words they stated they wanted to show the rich they could do whatever they want and that includes attacking their neighbors and destroying their businesses. That they deserve what the so-called rich have and if they can't have it they will destroy it.

I'm not a political person or anything like that, but I see the misuse of the term Nazi and decided to throw my two cents in.

What's your point? As of now all I see is a bunch of rambling. Where did I even give any kind of reference to anything related to Judaism beyond the use of the word "Nazi"? I use the term "crypto-Nazi" the same way Gore Vidal did. Perhaps I should have used "crypto-fascism."

[hypehat]

Not your fault, RBB, but lets not get into the Nazis? Please?

[Jason]

Not your fault, RBB, but lets not get into the Nazis? Please?

I wasn't.

[Mike's Beard]

Any social stance the riots may have initiated was soon offset by yobs looking for any excuse to cause mayhem and help themselves to a 40" HD TV. Most of them would struggle to spell the word Marxism, let alone put it's principles into action.
Amazingly there were reports of 9 and 10 year olds involved in the looting. May I ask WHERE THE f * c k WHERE THE PARENTS WHEN THIS WAS HAPPENING? What parent would let their children be out on the streets when this mayhem is going down?
Unfortunately you reap what you show and the English Government has only itself to blame here. For years now it has allowed every undesirable from the four corners of the Earth to migrate over here, while giving our lower class scum every engagement and financial incentive to breed like the rats that they are.

[hypehat]

For a second, I believed you 

[Jason]

I imagined that same thing being said by Clark W. Griswold and then it made sense to me.

[Mike's Beard]

If you lived in this country it would make perfect sense to you.

[Alex]

FWIW, London is about as safe as usual.

The press here is being as disgusting as usual wrt the 'real reason' - single mothers, multiculturalism.....

Not the BBC, I hope.

[hypehat]

The BBC and other TV news providers (I'm not sure how exempt Sky News is from it as it's not universally available to anyone with a telly) have a public service obligation to be impartial. Such regulations are not in place for the press, and the right-wing have been having a field day with this. Essentially it's the multi-cultural, homosexual, liberal, ignorant, underclassed single mothers among us to blame, from my abroad self can make out.

[Jason]

Right-wingers = Christian fascists

[Mike's Beard]

Oh no doubt The Daily Mail is having a field day with this one.

But may I say as Duggan was a crack dealer, gang member and carrying an illegal handgun, he basically got what was coming to him. Or do the Cops have to wait until he's shot a few of them before they are justifed to open fire?