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« Reply #500 on: May 14, 2018, 12:50:31 PM »

It still does in many schools.
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« Reply #501 on: May 14, 2018, 03:23:29 PM »

It still does in many schools.

I guess I shouldn't talk because here we make our kids sing the national anthem in the morning. But making a pledge to be loyal to the State seems to be a whole other level of ridiculousness.
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« Reply #502 on: May 14, 2018, 07:04:37 PM »

It's not as it used to be. I remember that it was quite mandatory, unless on e was a Jehovah's Witness. But in recent decades, it's typically purely voluntary, with students just required to be silent if they do not wish to participate. In the schools in which I've taught recently, there was not time set aside for the pledge. It may be different in different states or areas, however.
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« Reply #503 on: May 18, 2018, 02:04:27 AM »

2Buckethead: Thanks, really rad answers. At least sth. good about schools here - absence of "homeroom", day begins straight with 3-6 lessons & you're free. :D I see in schools abroad this thing that doesn't exist here, if we compare strictly public schools - you've got pupils dividing during classes, smb. usually says in films "We met in [subject] class, rmbr?" "We're going to the same class". School system here is about 20-30 children sitting in the same cabinet during *every* lesson. Except language but 95% kids study English & 2-3% choose French & German (usually it's these 3 languages). Everything else everybody sits together thru 11 grades. You study many foreign languages, right? Not just French, German, f.ex. Brian studied Spanish but maybe it's sth. to do with him living in California - many Spanish people live there. In state you live in, the choices would be different? Maybe Italian in addition?
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« Reply #504 on: May 18, 2018, 06:05:19 AM »

I started reading Walter Bauer's "Orthodoxy and Heresy in Earliest Christianity" after finishing Hans Fallada's great novel "The Drinker."

RRA1 - I know you didn't ask me, but since I'm here, foreign language requirements tend to be a low priority in the USA, especially in public schools. Usually at least for college--and maybe in some high schools, though certainly not mine when I went there--do require a year or two of one language, but that tends to be all many people ever take. Spanish is the most common, with French and German probably the next two. But once you meet adult Americans, they often barely recall whatever (typically minimal) language they took in school and mostly just speak English. Often badly.
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« Reply #505 on: May 18, 2018, 06:54:50 AM »

The Captain and RRA1 -

Yes, I would have to agree that our educational system really does tend to give foreign languages short shrift. I took both French and Spanish, but really can't say I am fluent in either. I live in Pennsylvania, where there were/are traditionally a lot of people of German-speaking origin. As a result,
the majority of my peers opted to take German class in secondary school. A  local station even devotes an evening each week to a call-in show where people speak Pennsylvania German, a dialect  of Low German and English. Things are changing a bit, though, as there are some public schools around the country that offer immersion programs, in which elementary school kids are taught another language, usually Spanish, and some or all classes are conducted in it.  A few local districts now offer Mandarin or Russian in high school.
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« Reply #506 on: May 18, 2018, 06:59:16 AM »

When I was in High School in the early 70s the only options there were Spanish and French. I took 3 years of French, then in college took 4 courses in French reading.
Some of the boys High Schools also offered German.

We have a couple of immersion schools here that use a foreign language (French or Spanish) to teach all subjects other than the English class. Starting with young children, that helps develop true fluency in another language. Learning another language helps develop a greater world view, appreciating other cultures. It's sad how xenophobic so many Americans are.
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« Reply #507 on: May 18, 2018, 11:24:26 AM »

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     Agree. And there are many cognitive benefits. One that particularly interests me, as a woman of a certain age, is that being bi-lingual tends to slow the development dementia as we age.
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« Reply #508 on: May 18, 2018, 11:39:18 AM »

I think it might be unfortunate in some ways that Americans (and those from most of Canada, the UK, etc.) have had the "advantage" of much of the world learning English as the lingua franca. It's harder to convince people to learn another language when they know that many or most people outside their country already speak and understand English.

But I have to admit I'm just as lazy as the next guy: I had four years of Spanish in high school and two of Latin in college, but in both cases I've really let them slip. I am considering teaching myself koine Greek, but that's not really of much use in daily life.
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« Reply #509 on: May 18, 2018, 08:00:10 PM »

The Captain - Perhaps not useful in everyday life, but beneficial in others. True Canadians and Americans have benefited from English being the lingua franca  at a cost, although don't Canadians have to learn both French and English in school?
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« Reply #510 on: May 19, 2018, 06:50:51 AM »

The Captain - Perhaps not useful in everyday life, but beneficial in others. True Canadians and Americans have benefited from English being the lingua franca  at a cost, although don't Canadians have to learn both French and English in school?

There are quite a few French immersion schools, yes. I took French from grade one all the way through the end of high school. However, it's not a requirement and there are some English-only schools here just as I'm sure there are French only schools in Quebec. New Brunswick is the only officially bilingual province but I don't know how that works in terms of schooling. My partner is from New Brunswick though. I should probably ask her.
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« Reply #511 on: Yesterday at 08:22:48 AM »

Chocolate Shake Man-
Thanks for that info.; I was misinformed!
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« Reply #512 on: Today at 04:53:42 PM »

Interesting dialogs - thanks, everybody. 2Buckethead: I'd like to ask you new read-related question but 1st, check the painting survey in the other thread. :D
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