Is This Genuine?

[Chocolate Shake Man]

But it is on the TSS set...mixed, as always, under the second "Cabin Essence" chorus on Disc 1.

Yeah, but you know what he means. There is no isolated Truck Drivin' Man - nothing in the vocal montage segment or anywhere else.

A more pertinent question is why are there no vocal sessions for "Cabin Essence" represented on the set apart from the segments used in the montage vocal track?

That's a good question. There aren't very many vocal sessions on the box set outside of Heroes and Villains (and even for that it's mostly the chanting - no vocal sessions for the verses), and Vegetables. But no vocal sessions for Wind Chimes, Wonderful, Cabin Essence, Do You Like Worms, Barnyard, etc.

[Mikie]

Given that Dennis' chant only exists mixed down in that '68 master, electronic manipulation would need to done to isolate it and the quality would have been too poor to stand along side the true isolated vocals from this song (which appear in the vocal montage track).

Well, I'm talking about the isolated TDM section being included on the set. I'm fully aware that it's on Cabinessence in the Smile box. I've had that isolated part on a cassette tape since around 1976. It was done by oops'ing, believe it or not. There's still a lot of bleed over on that one, but the words are clear. I also have it on a bootleg from recent years - unknown who did it or where it came from. It is superior (and I assume the YouTube version came from the same source).  There's hardly any bleed and the vocal is clear as a bell.    

Not arguing with ya, and you're right about the lack of Cabinessence sessions in the Smile box, but this Dennis thing woulda been cool. Can't have everything though, I guess. I'm very happy with how the Sessions box turned out!

[hypehat]

But it is on the TSS set...mixed, as always, under the second "Cabin Essence" chorus on Disc 1.

Yeah, but you know what he means. There is no isolated Truck Drivin' Man - nothing in the vocal montage segment or anywhere else.

A more pertinent question is why are there no vocal sessions for "Cabin Essence" represented on the set apart from the segments used in the montage vocal track?

That's a good question. There aren't very many vocal sessions on the box set outside of Heroes and Villains (and even for that it's mostly the chanting - no vocal sessions for the verses), and Vegetables. But no vocal sessions for Wind Chimes, Wonderful, Cabin Essence, Do You Like Worms, Barnyard, etc.

I always thought the reason for this is why there are no vocal sessions on the Pet Sounds Sessions - they would wipe over the previous take each time.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

But it is on the TSS set...mixed, as always, under the second "Cabin Essence" chorus on Disc 1.

Yeah, but you know what he means. There is no isolated Truck Drivin' Man - nothing in the vocal montage segment or anywhere else.

A more pertinent question is why are there no vocal sessions for "Cabin Essence" represented on the set apart from the segments used in the montage vocal track?

That's a good question. There aren't very many vocal sessions on the box set outside of Heroes and Villains (and even for that it's mostly the chanting - no vocal sessions for the verses), and Vegetables. But no vocal sessions for Wind Chimes, Wonderful, Cabin Essence, Do You Like Worms, Barnyard, etc.

I always thought the reason for this is why there are no vocal sessions on the Pet Sounds Sessions - they would wipe over the previous take each time.

Yes, you're right about that. I forgot. I think I was temporarily confused because of those vocals-only tracks on Pet Sounds that we didn't quite get in the same way on this box.

[pixletwin]

It would've been cool to have it as a "hidden" track... still it is readily available so if anyone wants to insert into their mp3 rips of TSS it's easy to do.

[Roger Ryan]

I always thought the reason for this is why there are no vocal sessions on the Pet Sounds Sessions - they would wipe over the previous take each time.

That does seem to be true a lot of the time, but not always. With TSS, it seems like the multiple takes survive when there is a limited backing track or no track at all. Without a backing track, the boys would have no reason to rewind the tape and record over a previous take.

Regarding the "Truck Drivin' Man" chant: I'm not trying to be a jerk about it. I agree that it's really cool to hear electronically isolated, but it would have sounded inferior next to the properly isolated vocals...and I believe this is the main reason for it not to appear that way. If it was up to me, I would have definitely included it as a hidden bonus track at the end of one of the discs...perhaps in place of that odd organ track!

[hypehat]

I always thought the reason for this is why there are no vocal sessions on the Pet Sounds Sessions - they would wipe over the previous take each time.

That does seem to be true a lot of the time, but not always. With TSS, it seems like the multiple takes survive when there is a limited backing track or no track at all. Without a backing track, the boys would have no reason to rewind the tape and record over a previous take.

Regarding the "Truck Drivin' Man" chant: I'm not trying to be a jerk about it. I agree that it's really cool to hear electronically isolated, but it would have sounded inferior next to the properly isolated vocals...and I believe this is the main reason for it not to appear that way. If it was up to me, I would have included it as a hidden bonus track at the end of one of the discs...perhaps in place of that odd organ track!

That organ track is severe nerdbait, mind - it's the previously-thought-to-be-lost organ overdub for the SS version of H&V's chorus.

[Roger Ryan]

That organ track is severe nerdbait, mind - it's the previously-thought-to-be-lost organ overdub for the SS version of H&V's chorus.

And I've always disliked that organ track  (again, something not actually recorded during the SMiLE period)

[Shane]

If I recall correctly, the 1968 multitrack tape for Cabinessence has been lost.  All there is, is the mixdown from the 20/20 album.  Hence, no isolation of the Truck Drivin' Man part is available, except for fan isolations.

[Disney Boy (1985)]

Lots of fake fans here...you REALLY can't pick out Dennis Wilson's voice in that song even at a low volume and then GASP when someone isolates it? Sheesh...

Some fans make me hang my head in shame...

Please don't make snide, superior comments if you're not then going to respond when other posts ask you to elaborate, thanks.

[Andrew G. Doe]

If I recall correctly, the 1968 multitrack tape for Cabinessence has been lost.  All there is, is the mixdown from the 20/20 album. 

Not... exactly.

[pixletwin]

What... exactly?