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« on: April 14, 2015, 02:40:44 PM »

It seems that Brian's old girlfriend Judy Bowles would be an important person in his history. Surpringly, though, I don't hear a ton about her. Of course, I'm not as knowledgeable as many of you insiders. But would someone like to post any information about that relationship, and it's meaning to Brian/the Beach Boys? I think Brian even proposed to her. What happened with that? Info welcome.
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2015, 02:48:59 PM »



On a side note, interviewing and becoming friends with Judy Bowles was one of the highlights of my nine years of working on the book. Part-time as I am a companion animal veterinarian in my real life.  Labor of love and all that. You could never meet a lovelier, kinder person than Judy Bowles.  And all the questions are answered.  She and Brian began dating before the band formed (a great story of how and when they met), she was present when the instruments were rented from Hogan's House of Music in Lawndale, they continued dating through CANDIX and the signing with Capitol and the first four albums.  They were, in her words, "inseparable."  Brian presented her with a diamond engagement ring at Christmas 1962.  She's integral to the story.  Ever wonder why no other book featured an interview with her?  Well, I sure did.  Ever wonder what happened to that engagement ring?  Or if she ever met Brian again?  Or what she thought of him in the intervening fifty years?  Well, wonder no more.   

Again, thank you to everyone who has placed an order for Becoming the Beach Boys, 1961-1963.  Please share the news with friends and other fans.
With new music and new books, 2015 will be another good year to be a Beach Boys fan.
http://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Beach-1961-1963-James-Murphy/dp/0786473657/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1428427159&sr=8-1&keywords=becoming+the+beach+boys

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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2015, 02:51:06 PM »



On a side note, interviewing and becoming friends with Judy Bowles was one of the highlights of my nine years of working on the book. Part-time as I am a companion animal veterinarian in my real life.  Labor of love and all that. You could never meet a lovelier, kinder person than Judy Bowles.  And all the questions are answered.  She and Brian began dating before the band formed (a great story of how and when they met), she was present when the instruments were rented from Hogan's House of Music in Lawndale, they continued dating through CANDIX and the signing with Capitol and the first four albums.  They were, in her words, "inseparable."  Brian presented her with a diamond engagement ring at Christmas 1962.  She's integral to the story.  Ever wonder why no other book featured an interview with her?  Well, I sure did.  Ever wonder what happened to that engagement ring?  Or if she ever met Brian again?  Or what she thought of him in the intervening fifty years?  Well, wonder no more.   

Again, thank you to everyone who has placed an order for Becoming the Beach Boys, 1961-1963.  Please share the news with friends and other fans.
With new music and new books, 2015 will be another good year to be a Beach Boys fan.
http://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Beach-1961-1963-James-Murphy/dp/0786473657/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1428427159&sr=8-1&keywords=becoming+the+beach+boys


I know! It was Jim's description of his book that piqued my interest in the topic!
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2015, 03:53:27 PM »

Her brother Jimmy contributed the list of surfin' spots for "SUSA", but wasn't credited for it... she was the inspiration for "Surfer Girl" (according to Brian), or not (according to Brian)... she gave Brian his ring back.

Jim's book will flesh out these few spare factoids.
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2015, 04:08:43 PM »

Her brother Jimmy contributed the list of surfin' spots for "SUSA", but wasn't credited for it... she was the inspiration for "Surfer Girl" (according to Brian), or not (according to Brian)... she gave Brian his ring back.

Jim's book will flesh out these few spare factoids.

That's all he's going to include?
Doesn't seem it would be worth even including her as more than a footnote, if that's the case.
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2015, 10:28:31 PM »

English isn't your first language, is it ? I'm guessing, not second either.
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2015, 02:10:54 AM »

English isn't your first language, is it ? I'm guessing, not second either.


lol, the burn, is real.
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2015, 04:11:15 AM »

English isn't your first language, is it ? I'm guessing, not second either.

People from all language backgrounds dig the BB's, and it only goes to show how the boys' music crosses all borders and language barriers with its message of love, acceptance, tolerance and surfin'.
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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2015, 07:00:04 AM »

Her brother Jimmy contributed the list of surfin' spots for "SUSA", but wasn't credited for it... she was the inspiration for "Surfer Girl" (according to Brian), or not (according to Brian)... she gave Brian his ring back.

Jim's book will flesh out these few spare factoids.

English isn't your first language, is it ? I'm guessing, not second either.

Perhaps better to save your drab wit for them that appreciate it. Maybe on the blue board
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2015, 07:21:34 AM »

Okay boys, neutral corners . . .


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Thanks for your question about Judy Bowles as a follow-up to my earlier post about my forthcoming book Becoming the Beach Boys, 1961-1963.

All of the obvious questions (and some not so obvious) questions about Judy were just one aspect of the band's early history that nagged me (and others), literally for decades. Most books about the band are career spanning and, in their interest to get to the band's most productive and controversial periods, tended to gloss over obvious inconsistencies in the band's origin story. They raised more questions than they answered. No disrespect intended, but when the late editor of Billboard gets it wrong, you know you're in trouble.

Judy was one of the most glaring aspects of the story that writers tended to ignore. I'm not sure why. They just did not take the time to look for her. More egregious, in my humble, is that nearly everything printed about her is incorrect. Totally fabricated. How does that happen? It's disappointing, actually. Becoming the Beach Boys, 1961-1963, has 1,200 end notes. I didn't fill in any gaps with fiction. That would have been the antithesis of why I wrote the book in the first place. If I don't come up with a specific answer, I present the most likely scenario or possible scenarios. I am hoping the book will spark some robust discussion.

I began my book in April 2006. Nine years ago. Apart from working on it in my free time (I'm a veterinarian in my real life), one of the reasons it took so long was because I worked from a list of every question and every person involved in the early history and went about trying to answer the questions and trying to find and interview the people. This after after re-reading and re-viewing EVERYTHING out there, on both sides of the Atlantic, that even touched upon the early days. You have to know where you were before you know where you're going. Some folks took years, off and on, to find. Some folks took a year or more to persuade them to speak with me. Some I found, but they declined to participate. I called, I wrote, I enlisted friendly emissaries, and then I respectfully backed off.  There is one person who I truly regret did not respond. Perhaps, if there is a second edition. Some I never found. Some I knew were deceased. Some, I now believe, are deceased. Some, sadly, passed away during the writing of the manuscript.

But Judy was at the top of my list. Why had no one spoken with her? I can't answer that. She told me I was the first person who took the time to seek her out and speak with her. So, we were off to a good start. As I mentioned earlier, she is a lovely, wonderful, and kind person. With a great sense of humor and life perspective. I enjoyed speaking with her immensely. I have about 20 hours of taped interviews with her. Who was she? What was she like? What did she look like? How did she meet Brian? What was their relationship like? Where did they go on dates? What did she recall about Brian and the early history of the band? What did she recall about his songwriting? About the early workings and inter-personal relationships within the band? What did she recall of Murry? The list goes on and on. Did she keep a diary? Photographs, letters, cards, poems, scrapbook? What was the story of their engagement and the diamond ring? What was the story of the break-up? Did she ever meet Brian again? Did she have any regrets? Did he seek her out after they broke up? Did he have any regrets? Re-read the lyrics to "The Warmth of the Sun."

The book is filled with these kind of stories. If you love the band, which I assume you do since you're here, you should really enjoy the book. I have loved the music of the Beach Boys since fall 1966 (yeah, that song) and I am especially enamored with their early history and origin story. While I assemble the Index, while listening to No Pier Pressure repeatedly, I am rereading the manuscript and enjoying it all over again.

I think it should be out by June.


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Thanks for re-posting my earlier discussion of Judy. 


Andrew (my kindred spirit, along with several others, in untangling the early history)
Brian never asked for the ring back. And now, given the way things worked out, I don't suspect he needs it. Or the money Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2015, 07:39:22 AM »

"The love of my life,
She left me one day.
I cried when she said,
'I don't feel the same way'"
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2015, 10:41:03 AM »

Thank you for the nice info, Jim. I am really excited for your book. I just wish it were out now!
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