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Re: Did Dennis ever criticize Brian openly?
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on February 24, 2007, 09:04:19 PM
Quote from: Luther on February 24, 2007, 05:42:33 PM
And either way, I am not trying to claim that I'm some sort of BB-quote-computer, either. AGD I am not, nor do I want to be.
Well, gee and thanks. It's always nice to know precisely what others think of you, and your contributions, especially in public.
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Re: Did Dennis ever criticize Brian openly?
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Quote from: Lorenschwartz on February 24, 2007, 11:46:42 PM
Quote from: Luther on February 24, 2007, 07:47:15 PM
Is the merit of someone's opinion based on whether he's a pansy or wuss? Just wondering.
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Re: Did Dennis ever criticize Brian openly?
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Quote from: Lorenschwartz on February 24, 2007, 11:46:42 PM
Quote from: Luther on February 24, 2007, 07:47:15 PM
Is the merit of someone's opinion based on whether he's a pansy or wuss? Just wondering.
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Tremendously witty.
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on February 24, 2007, 09:04:19 PM
Quote from: Luther on February 24, 2007, 05:42:33 PM
And either way, I am not trying to claim that I'm some sort of BB-quote-computer, either. AGD I am not, nor do I want to be.
Well, gee and thanks. It's always nice to know precisely what others think of you, and your contributions, especially in public.
I didn't say anything negative about you, Andrew. I said that I don't have or desire you encyclopedic knowledge of the Beach Boys. I'm pretty happy knowing what would be to an average person a lot, but to a super-fan not necessarily so much. I respect your knowledge.
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Re: Did Dennis ever criticize Brian openly?
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I only have it on an old betamax tape, so I can't cue it up for review, but as I recall it Dennis was interviewed while under sail in the "It's OK" NBC TV special and said of Brian "He's CRAZY!"
Take that as criticism or kudo as you will.
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Quote from: Mark Ess on February 25, 2007, 03:32:46 PM
I only have it on an old betamax tape, so I can't cue it up for review, but as I recall it Dennis was interviewed while under sail in the "It's OK" NBC TV special and said of Brian "He's CRAZY!"
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Re: Did Dennis ever criticize Brian openly?
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Dennis didn't like 15 Big Ones and he and Carl both said it was a mistake for Brian to be in sole charge. Both said they felt ignored as artists but (and they emphisised this strongly) they supported their brother. I think the Crawdaddy articles is where you can find their complaints. They weren't mean about it, just honest. Dennis 1976 interview where he says no one had a problem with Brian's 66-67 work is great. I am not dumb enough to think Mike never made waves, but I think Brian's own doubts were much stronger then any voiced by the others. Remember he made fun of the Heroes and Villians lyrics right along with Mike on the Lei'd rehearsal. Again and I have said this before Brian's word was law and it is only in the 80s when Landy took over that the Beach Boys didn't go out of their way to make room for his contributions. In fact I think the release of Surf's Up in 1971 was the first time they really went against his wishes.
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Man, everyone seems so uptight lately...Just remember, you're fine.
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Re: Did Dennis ever criticize Brian openly?
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Alan has complained about Brian's underproduction of Cottonfields (which he recut because he didn't like Brian's version - which incidentally Brian later complained about), Breakaway, and even Heroes and Villains. Mike of course has complained profusely about Brian - his not touring but getting income from the tours, his drug use, his songs being melancholy and downers (he was the one who objected to Till I Die, big surprise), his music being too far out for the public.
Dennis few public comments on Smile were very positive, but they were early on in the Smile sessions (fall of 66) and we are left to wonder what he thoughts were in April and May 67. Carl apparently did not feel Smile was the right direction, whether because he felt it was uncommercial or because he could see Brian was struggling without much result to finish it, and Dennis may have followed Carl's lead. A theory has been promulgated (not by me) that a Beach Boys board meeting was held in late December/early January about the sessions and a group vote was held to can the album.
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