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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love & Mercy biopic reassessed on: Yesterday at 09:43:43 AM
Yes, at least one recording session scene from 88 would have been good, or from Sweet Insanity (!) To show how Landy wanted to bask in Brian's fame, to the point of getting (co- ?) producer's credit.

There is a scene were Landy is trying to get an out of it Brian to sing a song called "Heaven is a Car" (maybe that's an early version of In My Car or Let's Go To Heaven in My Car??), which shows Landy trying to direct Brian in the studio. 

Yes, I noticed that one. My thoughts exactly. They could have mined that stuff a little more, then Landy's desperate scene at the car dealer's would have made more sense to the average viewer. Landy was desperate to keep Brian; losing him meant not only losing money but also fame by association and appropriated credits.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love & Mercy biopic reassessed on: Yesterday at 07:39:13 AM
Yes, at least one recording session scene from 88 would have been good, or from Sweet Insanity (!) To show how Landy wanted to bask in Brian's fame, to the point of getting (co- ?) producer's credit.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love & Mercy biopic reassessed on: April 17, 2018, 01:09:00 PM
I was wondering, too, so now I've added a new heading
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 16, 2018, 03:35:52 PM
Inside the studio, Brian was confident and sefl-assured, but not so much outside that environment. I think Paul Dano portrayed that very well. Mark me down as another one who prefers the 1960s part of this film to the Cusack sections. I think Cusack did well with the general portrayal, but I wish they would have done a little work to make him look like Brian. That was my only complaint. Atticus Ross did wonderful job creating a soundscape to portray Brian's mind.  

Well I disagree, so there!  Brian was not unsure with the Vosse Posse, Van Dyke, journalists he trusted, or his other friends.  He didn't always take to strangers or new people right away but more often than not he would invite them into the house and get them on his "trip."  Brian has always had fears and insecurities mainly regarding women and some paranoia about his father and Spector but not about his music.  Now at some point with Smile he decided the music wasn't commercial and put it aside, but that scenario still doesn't gibe with Dano's portrayal.  Where are the speed induced, rapid fire all night sessions where Brian is coming up with ideas for new forms of radio, humor albums and sound effects albums, producing other artists, music films, his own record company, stores that stay open all night - this is the confident firing on all cylinders Brian that is not represented in the film, and is how he was MOST of the time!

True. Some poetic license there, to move the story along. It would have made the film longer, confused audiences, and made him less of a victim of circumstance. If he were portrayed as a powerhouse back then, it would have been more difficult for the audience to believe his mental breakdown.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your 5 Favorite Songs Per Decade? on: April 15, 2018, 12:49:23 PM
60s
Don't Worry Baby
Here Today
California Girls
In My Room
Warmth of the Sun
PET SOUNDS

70s
Surf's up
'Til I Die
Good Timin'
This Whole World
Feel Flows
SURF'S UP

80s
Melt Away
Somewhere Near Japan
Kokomo (!)
Goin' on
When Girls Get Together
BRIAN WILSON 88

90s
Soul Searchin'
Lay Down Burden
Keep an Eye on Summer
Sweets for My Sweet
Orange Crate Art
ORANGE CRATE ART

00s - present
Don't Fight the Sea
Midnight's Another Day
Cool Head, Warm Heart
Sail Away
Forever She'll be My Surfer Girl
NO PIER PRESSURE
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 15, 2018, 12:28:23 PM
I am not a fan of this movie - the Cusack parts are well done but the 60s parts are written poorly, acted poorly, and are filled with errors of fact and tone.  I kept thinking how corny and overwrought most of the scenes were.

I don't mind that most people like it and I'm glad it brought Brian's story to many new people unfamiliar with it, but one viewing was more than enough for me.

I agree only insofar as Cusack's performance is the stronger of the two. The '60s were a haze, not only to the people involved, but also to the people who had to convey it on film, if they were even around then. Obviously the '80s would be much more accurate. I think what the '60s scenes had going for them was a certain dynamic, the studio work, the acid trip, etc., but key players were glossed over. It was as if they were ticking boxes based on the books. I think they got the look right, and the mood, and even the insecurity and sensitivity of the young Brian. The "Beard Movie" did a better job with the Brian-Dennis indulgences, and Murry was more fleshed out in the mini series, but neither production can compare with this biopic, IMO. I really can't think of a better music biopic than this one.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: on: April 15, 2018, 10:47:16 AM
'One Kind of Love'. You can find it on Brian's 2015 album No Pier Pressure.

Thanks. My later BB purchases are not filed properly. It's the proverbial needle in a haystack, so I don't know them as well.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 15, 2018, 10:16:47 AM


My sentiments entirely, GM. It doesn't get much better than this! The musical score is amazing too.

The last song over the end credits, after L&M, seems "new" to me. Was it an exclusive recorded for the OST? Do you know the title?
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Love & Mercy biopic reassessed on: April 15, 2018, 09:18:07 AM
Yes, there was an old thread, but it stops in 2016, so here , as an afterthought, is my Johnny-come-lately take on the film:

Finally watched the DVD of the Brian Wilson biopic, "Love & Mercy". Now, I am biased, being a rabid Beach Boys fan. But even if I try to be objective, I am absolutely certain that this is the finest musical biopic I have ever seen, and I have seen a few! The film requires at least some knowledge of BB history, as it flits effortlessly between mainly two periods, the creative peak in 66 and 67, and the romance with Melinda Ledbetter in the 80s. A romance that led to their getting married, and Brian being freed from the clutches of his legal guardian, the sinister Dr. Eugene Landy. It doesn't matter that the two leads don't look much like young Brian and middle-aged Brian; Dano and ESPECIALLY Cusack have the Brian persona down to a tee, every twitch, every gesture, even the goshdarn t-shirts he wore in the 1960s, they got it ALL right. We go through the mental breakdown of Brian Wilson, his 24 hour treatment by Dr. Landy, right up to his return to life and his new-found love, and eventually, his freedom. As the end credits roll on, we see the real Brian on stage, singing "Love & Mercy", as part of the historic "SMiLE" gig at Royal Festival Hall in 2004 (I was there!). During these end credits, I was moved to tears, but they were tears of joy.

Question: Did he really hear voices since 1963? The nervous breakdown on the plane was in 1964, and by his own account, the drugs started that year, too.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Peter Bagge’s “In Defense Of (And Praise For) Mike Love” on: March 20, 2018, 04:53:30 PM
I did mention upthread that Murry was the main driving force in the beginning, Mike second. But, for all of Murry's hustling and promotion, the band still needed Mike to hold those shows together, however short they were in the beginning.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Peter Bagge’s “In Defense Of (And Praise For) Mike Love” on: March 20, 2018, 01:54:07 PM

And whether or not we should consider the BB and their catalog as worthy of having Dylan and Springsteen as peers, that pretty much cuts to the heart of the Brian/Mike, art/commerce thing that fans have been hashing out for eons.

I think you may have misunderstood me here, I rate BB's much higher than Dylan, and consider their art/commerce dichotomy one of their strengths. Springsteen doesn't even come into consideration for me, other than what he did for Gary US Bonds.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Peter Bagge’s “In Defense Of (And Praise For) Mike Love” on: March 20, 2018, 01:32:18 PM
I think they were gone by the time the guys were past fifty. BB's were at times high art, other times very commercial, so you can't really liken their material to Dylan's beard-stroking stuff. Or Bruce's raucous blue collar anthems. I'll concede that if they dominated as much as has been reported here, that would be off-putting. But bringing them on for a few uptempo numbers, the way I recall it, can't see any harm in that. A BB setlist would always straddle high art and commercial entertainment.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Peter Bagge’s “In Defense Of (And Praise For) Mike Love” on: March 20, 2018, 01:19:53 PM
I saw the cheerleaders only twice, in 89 and ca. 92 (or whenever Crocodile Rock was on the setlist as the only new thing to push), and I enjoyed them. As they were my first BB concerts, they livened up the whole thing. I'll choose to overlook the porn/wank remark made earlier, but I found them to be no different than dancers at so many other arena size commercial affairs. A bit like Madonna's dancers, if you like. Don't recall them coming back on stage THAT often, but for a long setlist, why the hell not have a bit of fun. Others use back projection, inflatables,  pyrotechnics, this is showbiz, not a chamber concert.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Peter Bagge’s “In Defense Of (And Praise For) Mike Love” on: March 20, 2018, 12:02:06 PM
Regarding Mike's showmanship: It is true that Dennis was the main attraction in the early years, all he had to do was shake his head and wave those blonde locks and the girls would scream. The whole thing was more democratic in the live shows back then, more evenly split. I still think Mike's showmanship was part of the equation for the early success, though. Can't imagine any of the others handling that many leads and still entertain at that level back then. In the following decades, of course, his mc role became more and more crucial to the success of the live shows.

I've seen Brian and band over twenty times, and the BB's seven, four with only Mike and Bruce. Both at C50 and at the other shows, Mike was the main focus. I enjoyed all the Brian concerts on an artistic and musical level, but there was one key ingredient missing, one that Foskett couldn't pull off.

On a side note, I always liked the cheerleaders.   Azn
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Peter Bagge’s “In Defense Of (And Praise For) Mike Love” on: March 20, 2018, 09:12:31 AM
One point where I do agree with Bagge, though, is when he postulates that the Wilson brothers wouldn't have made it without Mike. The oft-repeated cliché in BB fandom is that "Mike would still be pumping gas, if it hadn't been for Brian". The Wilson brothers were gifted alright, but I don't think they would have become America's band without (1) the initial thrust of Murry, and (2) Mike's lyrics, vocals, and showmanship. They'd have been some best kept secret like Millennium or Curt Boettcher. Just my opinion.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Peter Bagge’s “In Defense Of (And Praise For) Mike Love” on: March 19, 2018, 05:36:24 PM
This article dates back to 2001 and be warned, the writer goes out of his way to slaughter sacred cows with a most contentious piece. It does not reflect my opinion on the Beach Boys, but I think it contains enough home truths that it should be posted here. Bagge is very tongue-in-cheek and deliberately tries to provoke. But I admire his singular stand in some ways, flying in the face of popular opinion. If nothing else, perhaps it can redress the imbalance of negative bias against Mike Love. Have at it: http://www.mbird.com/2012/05/beach-boys-101-peter-bagges-in-defense-of-and-praise-for-mike-love/
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Best sounding Beach Boys copycat/covers band, and they are British on: February 20, 2018, 02:01:22 PM
here it is:

18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Best sounding Beach Boys copycat/covers band, and they are British on: February 20, 2018, 01:58:24 PM
Tony Rivers is an old mate of mine, I believe (but I'm not too sure) that he is indeed a member of this board.
He once introduced me to Bruce Welch (of The Shadows) and i asked who's idea it was for Cliff Richard and The Shads to add 'End Of The Show' to their set in the late 70's , well they both did.
Tony worked for many many years as a Backing Vocalist with Cliff, hey he even did Live Aid (and also performed with Elton at said show)  Grin

Interesting, thanks for sharing!  Smiley I should add that Tony went on to form Harmony Grass, which, as the name implies, was more harmony-drenched sunshine pop. RPM also put out a nice digipak of their work.  
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Best sounding Beach Boys copycat/covers band, and they are British on: February 20, 2018, 01:05:27 PM
"never earlier released"

oh dear...  LOL
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Best sounding Beach Boys copycat/covers band, and they are British on: February 20, 2018, 01:03:42 PM
Ever heard of Tony Rivers & the Castaways? Close, but no cigar:

http://www.craftweb.org/web/tony/cast.html



Like Castaways, the Denmark-based British band Red Squares also specialized in BB and Four Seasons, with a very good falsetto by the lead singer:



http://www.redsquares.com/DISCOGRAPHY.htm

http://www.redsquares.com/biography.html

21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Can \ on: January 19, 2018, 10:03:51 AM
The covers on 15 Big Ones were quite inspired. When I read a mention of "Rock and Roll Music", I am just as likely to think BB as I am Chuck Berry. That's no mean feat by them.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Can \ on: January 19, 2018, 09:58:48 AM
Sumahama is really quite lovely, IMO. Better than Shortnin' Bread, at least!

One newish Mike song I really like is Cool Head, Warm Heart.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Can \ on: January 19, 2018, 07:17:52 AM
Fair enough, I take back the Carl comment. I do think I have tried to write balanced and considered posts. It was argued that Mike was the worst at everything, I rate him higher than that. In short, I like ALL nine Beach Boys. Go back and read some of the vitriol in this thread. Yes, some of it is funny, but it is still vitriol. I've been here, what, ten years or more, I never tried to cause strife. Mike Love, not war.  angel
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Can \ on: January 19, 2018, 04:31:37 AM
Well, that's what I am trying to do, give a balanced view. And if you say most members here take the middle ground, more the better. I don't think it's extreme to link to a wiki list of 115 songs, but I'll stop now. Plenty of other things we can all agree on. Peace out.  Smiley
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Can \ on: January 19, 2018, 12:05:20 AM
If I am inflating Mike's importance, it is to balance things, counter the extreme anti-Mike sentiments. Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in between these two positions? That is, Mike being better than his rep, but not as good as he himself thinks and what his fans make him be? I am coming across as an uncritical Mike fan, but really, I am neutral about the whole thing. People have different ideas of what constitutes the Beach Boys. I think he was integral to the mix, no more, no less.

Wiki lists 115 songs written, co-written, and/or composed by Mike Love, as of Sept 13, 2016. Have a look. Some pretty good songs on there.
Compare with the contributions of Al, Bruce, David, Blondie, and Ricky. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Songs_written_by_Mike_Love
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