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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: October 04, 2017, 04:30:30 PM
I am not too fussed about the dove, is it really that much of a visual cliché? Nor can I get too worked up over the BB logo in the corner, for all I know, it could just be a sticker, looks like it.

The BB re-recordings are of course redundant, and they weren't even all his own leads, as has been pointed out. That disc will get played once by me, that's it.

No, my main concern, and what I am rather excited about, is of course the 13 Love originals on disc one. CHWH was the best of the three new songs tacked onto the Hallmark album, and I even got to see Mike sing it at a concert around the time of that release. It made the Hallmark album a keeper, along with Brian's TSORAR. If any of the other 12 are anywhere near as good, we are in for a treat. This project has been kicking about for years, and I am happy for Mike that he found a major label.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Japanese 1980s Capitol reissues were the first on CD on: October 01, 2017, 12:17:07 AM
This is where everything started here in Japan. Before these releases, apparently the Beach Boys wasn't taken seriously unlike their contemporaries: The Beatles, Bob Dylan and The Rolling Stones. This changed that at all.

I didn't know that. The Beach Boys played Budokan in 1966, the year of PS. And, after the Past Masters, there was the oversize BW productions CD, "Still I Dream of you". Also, the Japanese Capitol box contains a seventh disc of BW productions, unlike the US one.
Right, there were fair amount of enthuasistic BB fans before Past Masters, and it was them that made stuff like ' Still I Dream of You' and Bruce and Terry's 'Rare Masters', and made the Beach Boys more appreciated.

However, I'm pretty sure they hadn't been taken seriously until Past Masters, among not only the public, but non-casual rock/pop fans. There was zero BB-related books until the release of translated 'Heroes and Villains' in the late 80's. And the first domestic BB-related book was finally released in the late 90's, on the other hand there had been a bunch of domestic books about The Beatles until then.

So, from my perspective, The Beach Boys had been seen generally as just an 'oldies' 'surfin'' act like The Ventures, not as the target of serious researches.
The Beach Boys=Surfin' USA; sadly, that was the general view until Past Masters, and, that is, among the public who don't pay attention to the current rock appreciation consensus.

I could be wrong, since I'm a new fan and don't experience the era, but this is what I 'got' from reading books and articles of those who knows how it was then.

As for Capitol box, I think UK version also had the BW productions disc. And it seems that it won't indicate that there were enough BB fans to make the record company release such collector's item, considering it has been following the UK release since Sunflower (it had Cotton Fields)

As far as I know, The Toshiba Capitol Years box is the ONLY one with the seventh disc. So, there must have been a small hardcore following in Japan. Don't forget, the Japanese are the biggest music fans/collectors in the world. Things get reissued in Japan that no other market can/will carry. It could be that BB weren't appreciated much by casual fans (the majority, after all), but I wouldn't compare them to the Ventures, who had the biggest following in Japan and who released Japan-only LP's. The Ventures' status and special relationship with Japan is a whole different story.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Japanese 1980s Capitol reissues were the first on CD on: September 30, 2017, 08:15:20 PM
This is where everything started here in Japan. Before these releases, apparently the Beach Boys wasn't taken seriously unlike their contemporaries: The Beatles, Bob Dylan and The Rolling Stones. This changed that at all.

I didn't know that. The Beach Boys played Budokan in 1966, the year of PS. And, after the Past Masters, there was the oversize BW productions CD, "Still I Dream of you". Also, the Japanese Capitol box contains a seventh disc of BW productions, unlike the US one.

The Capitol Years ‎(7xCD, Album, Comp, Mono + Box)   Capitol Records   TOCP-6151-57   Japan   1990




4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Japanese 1980s Capitol reissues were the first on CD on: September 30, 2017, 10:18:10 AM
I have the Wild Honey CD, just couldn't wait for the US release. Over the years, I've gotten it signed by Brian, Carl, Mike, Al, and Bruce.

Wow! Well done. Yes, when I first set eyes on the Past Masters in 1989, the US twofers had not yet been announced. If only...
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The Japanese 1980s Capitol reissues were the first on CD on: September 30, 2017, 08:27:45 AM
I was in Japan at the time (1989), and ALMOST decided to spring for that mid price series, I think they were 1800 yen each and contained one Capitol album per disc. But then the US twofers were released, so I decided to go for those instead. What I should have done, of course, was buy both sets. Those first Japanese reissues would be very interesting to own, and I bet they are worth a mint now!

Actually, I think I own two from that batch, Today! and Party. What makes those "Past Masters" CD's so collectible is the fact that they were flat transfers, no futzing.





6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I'll take the B-side on: September 30, 2017, 12:44:14 AM
For many of those BB singles, it's not a Strawberry Fields/Penny Lane 1-2 punch and resulting shoot-out. It's a great a-side and then a random (usually great, but not contemporaneous) recent or not-so-recent older track. It's like doing a "Best Albums" BB list and including "Endless Summer."

To me, it's all fair game. You put out a single, you should be prepared to be judged by whatever current standards you uphold. 
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I'll take the B-side on: September 30, 2017, 12:40:28 AM
The BB singles where they tacked on an *old* track for the b-side instead of using something contemporaneous kind of don't count in my mind as actual "singles" in the same way that "Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane" or "Wouldn't It Be Nice/God Only Knows" were.

I'm not sure why so many of the BB singles were done this way.

Think how different it would have been if Beatles singles had been released like this:

Strawberry Fields Forever/For No One
Paperback Writer/Norwegian Wood
I Want to Hold Your Hand/Not a Second Time

Still all good songs, but they're not two-song spanking new shows of musical force.

The Beach Boys were even doing this in the 80s, pairing "It's Gettin' Late" in 1985 with "It's OK" as the b-side. Wtf?

The examples you refer to, though, are often considered to be "double A-sides". Traditionally, the B-side was a throwaway, think of Philles records.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / I'll take the B-side on: September 28, 2017, 05:45:48 AM
Over on Facebook, I saw the 45 single sleeve art for "Barbara Ann", a concert staple and a hit for at least Regents, Jan and Dean, and our boys. Personally, I have gotten tired of that bleating chorus, it sounds more and more like a tired, stodgy novelty. Then I saw what the B-side was, wow! "Girl Don't Tell Me" is absolutely wonderful and so underrated. This is a case in point where I'll take the B-side over the A-side.

9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Let's compile a 12 track \ on: September 20, 2017, 08:16:52 AM
(Since we're only talking songs, I'm leaving off Denny's Drums)

Ten Little Indians
I'm Going Bald
Vegetables
Wind Chimes (SS Version)
Take a Load Off Your Feet
Mt. Vernon
Let Us Go On This Way
I Wanna Pick You Up
Here Comes the Night '79
Surfin 92
Summer of Love
Under the Boardwalk

I like about half of those!  Grin
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Let's compile a 12 track \ on: September 20, 2017, 08:13:51 AM
Custom Machine
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Let's compile a 12 track \ on: September 20, 2017, 08:11:19 AM
County Fair
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Let's compile a 12 track "The Worst of the Beach Boys" on: September 20, 2017, 08:06:52 AM
Just for fun, can we come up with 12 absolute clinkers? I think Elvis had one, maybe a boot, "Elvis' Greatest Shits". Rules: Only band, no solo. Must be officially released. No "comedy" skits, like Bull Session With Big Daddy. Songs or instrumentals are accepted.



also:

Ten Little Indians


7" Ten Little Indians Denmark Capitol F 4880. Value: 250 €
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: AREN'T YOU GLAD You're A Beach Boys fan? on: September 20, 2017, 07:48:03 AM
It would have been in the latter half of the 1980s. Like most people, I was under the delusion that Beatles were best. And Santana was my personal favorite. Then I made a new friend, twenty years older than I (I was in my early twenties), and he said the Beach Boys were best. I knew the big Capitol hits, of course, but then I bought Ten Years of Harmony on double cassette, and played that thing on my walkman over and over, for an entire boat journey from England to Denmark. Especially Surf's Up, that made an impression me every time I got round to it. Really, that music, which in some ways is the real gold, made the Beatles pale in comparison. And Santana, their percussion aside, they weren't even close. So I can actually pin it down to one life-changing boat trip.

And I can pin it down to one life changing trip. Or several. Listening to Smile tracks on endless repeat. Breaking down them ol' doors of perception.

As you do.

Oh my, Captain Trips!  police
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: AREN'T YOU GLAD You're A Beach Boys fan? on: September 19, 2017, 06:11:27 PM
It would have been in the latter half of the 1980s. Like most people, I was under the delusion that Beatles were best. And Santana was my personal favorite. Then I made a new friend, twenty years older than I (I was in my early twenties), and he said the Beach Boys were best. I knew the big Capitol hits, of course, but then I bought Ten Years of Harmony on double cassette, and played that thing on my walkman over and over, for an entire boat journey from England to Denmark. Especially Surf's Up, that made an impression on me every time I got round to it. Really, that music, which in some ways is the real gold, made the Beatles pale in comparison. And Santana, their percussion aside, they weren't even close. So I can actually pin it down to one life-changing boat trip.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Alternate \ on: September 19, 2017, 06:04:44 PM
Wasn't the cover for the Love and Mercy single a grotesque mess also?  I only saw the cover on the cassette single, but it was not good, kinda similar to this junk up above....



Artwork by Brian himself ...

Yeah, I owned that one, but got rid of it. The B-side ain't much cop, either, "He Couldn't get his ol' Body to Move".
Speaking of train wreck cover art, how about Peter Blake's work for "Gettin' in Over my Head"?
16  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Never post drunk on: September 15, 2017, 07:03:15 PM
Stone cold sober. Never touch alcohol.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Get well Bruce! on: September 15, 2017, 04:48:43 PM
Bruce is a good guy, who should have contributed more, both with songs and on stage. I wouldn't presume to speculate whether it was Bruce's own choice, Mike's, or group decisions. I do know that I would not attend a Mike-led show without Bruce. Not even with Stamos or Torrence, neither of whom I ever saw in concert. Seen a few Mike & Bruce shows, all in Denmark. The first time, at Tivoli, Copenhagen, when Bruce came on stage, followed by Mike and the band, I seriously worried if they could pull it off, which of course they did. At another concert in Frederiksberg, Copenhagen, it was Bruce who came down to the lobby to talk to the Danish fan club, while Mike stayed in his hotel room. At the C50 in Aarhus, Denmark, it was Brian far left, followed by Mike, David, Al, and then Bruce far right. I was mainly focused on Mike and Al, and, at one point, when I did look at Bruce, he laughed, and pointed at himself, gesturing some kind of self-ironic "you're looking at me?".
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good photos of Dennis on: September 15, 2017, 04:25:58 PM
Thanks, all. I think Dennis was absolutely photogenic, but as has been suggested, his drummer position wasn't ideal for concert shots.  And maybe management didn't think to use him much in promo shoots. I think on the whole, Beatles were far better promoted photo-wise, both as a band and in individual shots. However, when you see a really good photo of Dennis, you realize what a draw he must have been, just very, very cool, almost like a Greek god. Coupled with his true surfer image and his songwriting ability, I think he's the most interesting Beach Boy, the real Beach Boy.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 14, 2017, 03:46:39 PM
In history, only two acts have sold over a billion records. Elvis Presley and The Beatles. One of them is seeing his stock plummeting now, due to his fan base getting older and dying, Elvis. It's come to the point where UK papers are giving away his albums. Elvis memorabilia and old Sun 45's, watch them get cheaper and cheaper. Same thing will happen to The Beatles. Only a decade sets them apart. If the two best-selling acts in history will fade, so will The Beach Boys. Who knows what people will listen to one, two, or five hundred years from now.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good photos of Dennis on: September 14, 2017, 01:42:50 PM
I seen a bunch of dennis not too long ago from the early days probably 62-66 ill look again for the site

Thanks, that would be good.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The first Pet Sounds Tour, 2002 - a precedent? on: September 14, 2017, 07:46:51 AM
I wouldn't leap to assume that Brian particularly set the trend of performing full albums in concert. Not only had it been done before, but the concept itself isn't exactly a mind-blowing, out of left field idea at its core. I would imagine most bands/artists that weren't singles-oriented artists, artists that were *good enough* to do full albums of good material, surely batted around the idea of doing it.

Indeed, the idea of performing PS in full had been floated in the 80s and 90s. Session drummer Scott Matthews claimed he pitched the idea to the BBs in the early 80s. Al Jardine mentioned floating the idea in the mid-late 90s while Carl was still alive, with Carl allegedly nixing the idea because he felt Brian wasn't up to it.

I'm sure Brian's PS tour helped make the vintage-album-themed tour a more common/popular thing, but I doubt most of the post-2000 instances of bands performing full albums in concert were specifically spurred by Brian's tour.

Also, for the sake of accuracy (especially if we're trying to find examples of full albums being performed that pre-date Brian's first PS tour), it should be pointed out that Brian's *first* PS shows were in the North America in 2000 (rather than 2002 as suggested in the subject line).

The Cure performed THREE full albums in a row live in shows in 2002 and released the results; I'm curious if there are many other bands that have done two or, in this case THREE full albums all in one show.

There was an article I remember reading that did point out some of the odd results of the "full album in concert" trend, such as Cheap Trick doing their "Live at Budokan" album years later live (but hey, I don't think BB fans would have sneezed at the the BBs in the 90s doing the '73 "In Concert" album setlist, right?), or other artist doing their official "Greatest Hits" album front-to-back.

As was already alluded to, doing a new/contemporary album in full in concert is a different beast than digging up an old (usually famous) album and doing it years later. The former is undoubtedly more ballsy. An even rarer scenario is digging out an vintage, ancient album, but one that is lesser-known. I somehow doubt we'll get a Paul McCartney "Press to Play Tour" anytime soon. For that matter, I tend to doubt we'll ever see a BB-related group do anything outside of Smile or PS as far as vintage BB albums.

How about the extremely rare scenario of a band doing *another artist's* full album? I think Phish may be one of the only cases, where they were regularly doing full cover albums back in the 90s (White Album, Talking Heads, etc.).

Thanks, Jude, for enlightening us. I posited the idea as a question, because I did notice a flurry of live concerts featuring whole albums after 2002. Don't forget, Brian got an awful lot of press, at least in the UK. CD and DVD followed. But I agree that the idea wasn't exactly novel or groundbreaking. Would the American PS concerts in 2000 count as a tour? Or were they one-offs (at the time).
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The first Pet Sounds Tour, 2002 - a precedent? on: September 14, 2017, 12:21:12 AM
I agree the Pet Sounds tours in 2000 and Smile tours 2004-05 were OUTSTANDING.. Saw PS in  Santa Barbara and Hollywood bowl with orchestras..Didnt BW play PS in England and Europe in 2001 + 02.. ? I saw the short PS tour 2007 with 1st appearance  of Alan Jardine..The ovation for Al when he came out in Long Beach Ca  brought tears to my eyes.. Welcoming back an old friend... Memories.

Brian's first Euro PS show was RFH, January 29, 2002. I was there for two nights, arrived a bit late the second night. He returned in summer 2002 for more PS shows. I caught those as well. But it was only in January that he performed "'Til I Die" . So I only saw him do that once, due to being late the second night. He NEVER performed it again, in all the concerts since. I think it might have been too painful for him, considering his personal losses (Dernnis, Carl). I know he thinks about his brothers every day.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The first Pet Sounds Tour, 2002 - a precedent? on: September 13, 2017, 06:41:59 PM
Either Roger Waters or Pink Floyd also did "The Wall" quite early on.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The first Pet Sounds Tour, 2002 - a precedent? on: September 13, 2017, 06:40:13 PM
Good recall! Thanks, KDS. I still think that Brian's show started the trend more than anything.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Get well Bruce! on: September 13, 2017, 06:24:25 PM
Get well, Bruce.
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