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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Who was the second best songwriter in the Beach Boys? on: July 11, 2018, 02:10:54 AM
I don't know how meaningful this topic is, and you may have discussed it before, but I'd like to know what you think of the other songwriters in the band. I mean, Brian is so far ahead of the others, in a league of his own, that perhaps it's a moot point to even consider who is second best. The others are good for a few classics and Dennis certainly showed potential for a solo career, but really it has to be Dennis or Carl, isn't it?

Dennis:

Forever
Little Bird
Fallin' in Love

Carl:

Feel Flows
Trader
Good Timin' (co-write)
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Surf's up (1971 version) on: June 29, 2018, 02:26:09 PM
"Surf's up", the 1971 album version was the moment when it clicked, when I realized the band made not only great records, but great art, profound art. The 1967 version with Brian alone at the piano was the one that made Leonard Bernstein take notice, but I'd venture that Carl's 1971 production is the grand statement, and it was a stroke of genius to add the "Child is father of the man" coda.

Until I'd heard "Surf's up" on "Ten Years of Harmony", I'd only really been familiar with the Capitol years, all good, but Surf's up" was my epiphany and the Beach Boys became my favorite band of all time.

The whole thing is perfect, but I can even pinpoint the exact moment in the song when it dawned on me:

Surf's Up
Aboard a tidal wave
Come about hard and join
The young and often spring you gave
I heard the word
Wonderful thing
A children's song

...AND we then get the Child, child, child" washing over us. Brilliant. Love the mmmm sound right before "Aboard a tidal wave", that floating, ethereal state it put me in. Dreamy. I put that cassette on repeat and played it on my walkman right the way through a boat trip from England to Denmark. Over and over, and I never got tired of it. Imagine, if they had completed SMiLE and released it, we'd never have gotten this version.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How Mike COULD get the Presidential Medal of Freedom on: June 12, 2018, 01:28:03 AM
But Brian only got the Kennedy Award, so it wouldn't be right if Mike topped him with the Presidential. Give that to all BB principals for their ENORMOUS contibution to American culture, I'd have no problem with that.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sounds of Summer back on the billboard 200 on: June 01, 2018, 06:19:41 AM
In addition to Common thread, there was the live album Hell Freezes Over, which contained a tantalizing four new songs. I'd think that one also spurred the massive sales to follow.

And of course their GH vol.1 sold Thriller level.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Have the Beach Boys ever had any good film/video promos? on: May 30, 2018, 11:53:13 AM
Haven't seen too many, and I suppose I could just go to youtube, but what do you say? Certainly the promos for Pet Sounds were among the weirdest: the one in the pool, Mike with a Halloween mask, etc. "Summer in Paradise" was an okay promo, surprisingly good for something off that dud album. But I really can't think of any perfect sound and vision matches offhand.

6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sounds of Summer back on the billboard 200 on: May 30, 2018, 11:47:21 AM
For a moment there I thought this was about Endless Summer being back on the charts, now THAT would have been news!

Has any other band ever enjoyed such a comeback on the strength of a comp alone?
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The craziest BB comp we are ever likely to see on: May 19, 2018, 07:41:55 PM
Capitol put out some crazy cassettes in the late 80s/early 90s

I had one of those, it was called "Sunshine Dream". First time I heard Pet Sounds songs, blew my mind. I was more familiar with 70s stuff, because I had bought Ten Years of Harmony prior to that one.



A1   I Can Hear Music   
A2   Here Today   
A3   Darlin'   
A4   Caroline, No   
A5   Aren't You Glad   
A6   Good Vibrations   
A7   Wouldn't It Be Nice   
A8   Friends   
A9   God Only Knows   
A10   Vegetables   
A11   How She Boogalooed It   
A12   There's No Other (Like You Baby)   
B1   Heroes And Villains   
B2   All I Want To Do   
B3   Wild Honey   
B4   I'm Waiting For The Day   
B5   Cotton Fields   
B6   Then I Kissed Her   
B7   Sloop John B   
B8   Be Here In The Mornin'   
B9   Blue Birds Over The Mountain   
B10   Keep An Eye On Summer   
B11   Do It Again   
B12   The Beach Boys Medley
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The craziest BB comp we are ever likely to see on: May 18, 2018, 04:25:36 PM
Our band has been one of the most compiled ever in the history of rock; seems nary a summer goes by without a new BB comp. Most of the Capitol/EMI ones are heavy on the hits, few surprises in there. Then there are the "curated" ones like Beach Boys Classics Selected by Brian Wilson. But, if you really want to go out on a limb and try something completely different, you have to look to the Dutch licensee, Disky, who specialize in comps. Often with second tier or under the radar or half forgotten names. They have a particular fondness for the trashier end of the 1970s. What characterizes most of their comps is that they don't give a toss about chart performance; they like deep cuts, and will only give a cursory nod to chart, just enough to shift CDs. Their 1998 BB comp, "California Dreamin'" is the weirdest thing I have ever come across in the way of BB comps, ranging wildly from filler to chart to deep cuts to gold. Check out the track list and see if you don't agree that this is the one to revisit more than anything else. Amazon.co.uk has it for a penny, ha ha.



1   Barbara Ann   
2   Sloop John B   
3   Cotton Fields   
4   Ten Little Indians   
5   Getcha Back   
6   California   
7   Rock & Roll Music   
8   It's O.K.   
9   Break Away   
10   Tears In The Morning   
11   Friends   
12   Little Honda   
13   Dance, Dance, Dance   
14   The Little Girl I Once Knew   
15   Add Some Music To Your Day   
16   Things We Did Last Summer   
17   Do You Wanna Dance   
18   Spirit Of America   
19   California Dreamin'   
20   Surfer Moon
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Concert attire on: May 06, 2018, 06:22:12 PM
I loved the striped shirts. Instantly recognizable and in my opinion went way beyond the defines of a fledgling band. With the prolific album output their fledgling days were long over and they still wear the striped shirts.

A band that was so in tune with harmony wearing the same outfits fits seems to show almost a subliminal redundancy. The same with the late 60's white suits. Later on as the group was more diversified, they all wore their own thing. Again, it seems to be a reflection of the group itself, each wanting their independence and greater creative input. Now it is just a bunch of old guys in Hawaiian shirts.

Mikes attire was often cringe-worthy. Brian too, in the robe stage. Each of the boys have worn things that by today's standards do not look right, but even to this day if you see a group with blue and white or red and white matching shirts and white pants, you think "The Beach Boys". Very effective marketing if you ask me. The Beatles covered "formal" and outrageous was not right for this group.

Yeah, the striped shirts were cool, even though some cynics have criticized them for it. But then look at the Tops or the Tempts and their identical snazzy suits. That was the look for vocal groups, or, in the BB's case group/band. The very early lumberjack shirts I did not like at all. When did they abandon the stripes, 63, 64? Was it Murry's idea, or Capitol's?

You are right, outrageous would not have worked well, although I have a soft spot for Mike's djellaba, as I mentioned before. And that was without the baseball cap, cool.

Bruce's Bermudas and Brian's sweat pants in later years, I am not so sure about.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Concert attire on: May 06, 2018, 12:08:59 PM
Bruce has been seen choosing the lazy option of wearing Bermuda shorts. Hawaii shirts have often been worn, and that's fine. The candy-striped shirts were good for the fledgling band. But nothing beats the djellaba worn by Mike at the Prague concert in 69. There he was, in Morrocan hooded robe, dancing and banging on a tambourine. Oh, what I'd give to watch the whole concert on DVD. How do you feel about their stage attire through the years? Should it have been more outrageous, or perhaps formal? Not KISS-like, but perhaps more spruced up?

11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Are the Arthur Miller books any good on: April 27, 2018, 02:07:11 PM
Yes, I have seen the Add Some Music compendium, will definitely get that one.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Are the Arthur Miller books any good on: April 27, 2018, 08:19:21 AM
Thanks for all your input, guys, guess I'll pass on these. I am sure a self-pubbed book could be potentially good. Imagine if someone compiled those classic zines, like Beach Boys Australia, Beach Boys Stomp,  or whatever they are called. I saw a run of those in a specialist bookstore in London, but they were too expensive for me.

13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Are the Arthur Miller books any good on: April 25, 2018, 12:13:53 PM
No, they are not mine. Yes, they are self-published, through Createspace, which is why I am asking. It it's just fannish regurgitations, I am not sure I am interested.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Are the Arthur Miller books any good on: April 25, 2018, 10:09:11 AM
Seen on amazon.co.uk

two illustrated books by Arthur Miller, "Get Around" (44 pages) and "Charles Manson & The Beach Boys!: Bad Vibrations!" (52 pages)





Have any of you bought and read these books? Would you recommend them?
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love & Mercy biopic reassessed on: April 20, 2018, 09:43:43 AM
Yes, at least one recording session scene from 88 would have been good, or from Sweet Insanity (!) To show how Landy wanted to bask in Brian's fame, to the point of getting (co- ?) producer's credit.

There is a scene were Landy is trying to get an out of it Brian to sing a song called "Heaven is a Car" (maybe that's an early version of In My Car or Let's Go To Heaven in My Car??), which shows Landy trying to direct Brian in the studio. 

Yes, I noticed that one. My thoughts exactly. They could have mined that stuff a little more, then Landy's desperate scene at the car dealer's would have made more sense to the average viewer. Landy was desperate to keep Brian; losing him meant not only losing money but also fame by association and appropriated credits.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love & Mercy biopic reassessed on: April 20, 2018, 07:39:13 AM
Yes, at least one recording session scene from 88 would have been good, or from Sweet Insanity (!) To show how Landy wanted to bask in Brian's fame, to the point of getting (co- ?) producer's credit.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love & Mercy biopic reassessed on: April 17, 2018, 01:09:00 PM
I was wondering, too, so now I've added a new heading
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 16, 2018, 03:35:52 PM
Inside the studio, Brian was confident and sefl-assured, but not so much outside that environment. I think Paul Dano portrayed that very well. Mark me down as another one who prefers the 1960s part of this film to the Cusack sections. I think Cusack did well with the general portrayal, but I wish they would have done a little work to make him look like Brian. That was my only complaint. Atticus Ross did wonderful job creating a soundscape to portray Brian's mind.  

Well I disagree, so there!  Brian was not unsure with the Vosse Posse, Van Dyke, journalists he trusted, or his other friends.  He didn't always take to strangers or new people right away but more often than not he would invite them into the house and get them on his "trip."  Brian has always had fears and insecurities mainly regarding women and some paranoia about his father and Spector but not about his music.  Now at some point with Smile he decided the music wasn't commercial and put it aside, but that scenario still doesn't gibe with Dano's portrayal.  Where are the speed induced, rapid fire all night sessions where Brian is coming up with ideas for new forms of radio, humor albums and sound effects albums, producing other artists, music films, his own record company, stores that stay open all night - this is the confident firing on all cylinders Brian that is not represented in the film, and is how he was MOST of the time!

True. Some poetic license there, to move the story along. It would have made the film longer, confused audiences, and made him less of a victim of circumstance. If he were portrayed as a powerhouse back then, it would have been more difficult for the audience to believe his mental breakdown.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your 5 Favorite Songs Per Decade? on: April 15, 2018, 12:49:23 PM
60s
Don't Worry Baby
Here Today
California Girls
In My Room
Warmth of the Sun
PET SOUNDS

70s
Surf's up
'Til I Die
Good Timin'
This Whole World
Feel Flows
SURF'S UP

80s
Melt Away
Somewhere Near Japan
Kokomo (!)
Goin' on
When Girls Get Together
BRIAN WILSON 88

90s
Soul Searchin'
Lay Down Burden
Keep an Eye on Summer
Sweets for My Sweet
Orange Crate Art
ORANGE CRATE ART

00s - present
Don't Fight the Sea
Midnight's Another Day
Cool Head, Warm Heart
Sail Away
Forever She'll be My Surfer Girl
NO PIER PRESSURE
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 15, 2018, 12:28:23 PM
I am not a fan of this movie - the Cusack parts are well done but the 60s parts are written poorly, acted poorly, and are filled with errors of fact and tone.  I kept thinking how corny and overwrought most of the scenes were.

I don't mind that most people like it and I'm glad it brought Brian's story to many new people unfamiliar with it, but one viewing was more than enough for me.

I agree only insofar as Cusack's performance is the stronger of the two. The '60s were a haze, not only to the people involved, but also to the people who had to convey it on film, if they were even around then. Obviously the '80s would be much more accurate. I think what the '60s scenes had going for them was a certain dynamic, the studio work, the acid trip, etc., but key players were glossed over. It was as if they were ticking boxes based on the books. I think they got the look right, and the mood, and even the insecurity and sensitivity of the young Brian. The "Beard Movie" did a better job with the Brian-Dennis indulgences, and Murry was more fleshed out in the mini series, but neither production can compare with this biopic, IMO. I really can't think of a better music biopic than this one.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: on: April 15, 2018, 10:47:16 AM
'One Kind of Love'. You can find it on Brian's 2015 album No Pier Pressure.

Thanks. My later BB purchases are not filed properly. It's the proverbial needle in a haystack, so I don't know them as well.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 15, 2018, 10:16:47 AM


My sentiments entirely, GM. It doesn't get much better than this! The musical score is amazing too.

The last song over the end credits, after L&M, seems "new" to me. Was it an exclusive recorded for the OST? Do you know the title?
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Love & Mercy biopic reassessed on: April 15, 2018, 09:18:07 AM
Yes, there was an old thread, but it stops in 2016, so here , as an afterthought, is my Johnny-come-lately take on the film:

Finally watched the DVD of the Brian Wilson biopic, "Love & Mercy". Now, I am biased, being a rabid Beach Boys fan. But even if I try to be objective, I am absolutely certain that this is the finest musical biopic I have ever seen, and I have seen a few! The film requires at least some knowledge of BB history, as it flits effortlessly between mainly two periods, the creative peak in 66 and 67, and the romance with Melinda Ledbetter in the 80s. A romance that led to their getting married, and Brian being freed from the clutches of his legal guardian, the sinister Dr. Eugene Landy. It doesn't matter that the two leads don't look much like young Brian and middle-aged Brian; Dano and ESPECIALLY Cusack have the Brian persona down to a tee, every twitch, every gesture, even the goshdarn t-shirts he wore in the 1960s, they got it ALL right. We go through the mental breakdown of Brian Wilson, his 24 hour treatment by Dr. Landy, right up to his return to life and his new-found love, and eventually, his freedom. As the end credits roll on, we see the real Brian on stage, singing "Love & Mercy", as part of the historic "SMiLE" gig at Royal Festival Hall in 2004 (I was there!). During these end credits, I was moved to tears, but they were tears of joy.

Question: Did he really hear voices since 1963? The nervous breakdown on the plane was in 1964, and by his own account, the drugs started that year, too.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Peter Bagge’s “In Defense Of (And Praise For) Mike Love” on: March 20, 2018, 04:53:30 PM
I did mention upthread that Murry was the main driving force in the beginning, Mike second. But, for all of Murry's hustling and promotion, the band still needed Mike to hold those shows together, however short they were in the beginning.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Peter Bagge’s “In Defense Of (And Praise For) Mike Love” on: March 20, 2018, 01:54:07 PM

And whether or not we should consider the BB and their catalog as worthy of having Dylan and Springsteen as peers, that pretty much cuts to the heart of the Brian/Mike, art/commerce thing that fans have been hashing out for eons.

I think you may have misunderstood me here, I rate BB's much higher than Dylan, and consider their art/commerce dichotomy one of their strengths. Springsteen doesn't even come into consideration for me, other than what he did for Gary US Bonds.
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