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1  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Weezer on: December 07, 2017, 08:48:03 AM
Rivers also recorded his cover of Don't Worry Baby in early 1993 before the GV box set was released, and he said he was already into the Beach Boys and getting into analyzing and learning the songs as early as 1992. He also recorded a version of Surfer Girl during this time, but only the DWB cover has come out officially on his home recordings and demos release some time ago.

Yes, GF.  I was in the room when he played "Don't Worry Baby" for us after he had just finished it, on the multitrack cassette deck they had in their tiny garage.  My bass player was his roommate and we were practicing there throughout that 1992-93 period.  It's possible that our Beach Boys obsession (well, mine) rubbed off on Rivers a little but I can't speak to that.  He definitely was fascinated with Brian and when I met him at that time and told the story, it was the closest he ever paid attention to anything I had to say!
2  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Weezer on: December 06, 2017, 06:13:45 AM
Rivers is and has long been a huge Brian Wilson fan.

The first thing he did with his advance money when Weezer got signed was buy the Good Vibrations box set.  I know because I was there when he brought it home.  He also bought SUNFLOWER on my recommendation (and didn't like it unfortunately).
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Midnight's Another Day - Going Home - Southern California on: August 19, 2017, 12:51:55 PM
Voting yes on this.
4  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Teaser video from new album - "the Asian SMiLE" on: August 16, 2017, 05:56:04 PM
Someone else's words, not mine.  I think it's closer to SMILEY SMILE.

Check it out if you like:

https://youtu.be/b22-Y8NhVmM
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Most Challenging Song (Instrumentally) on: August 14, 2017, 12:02:33 AM
"I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" is pretty brutal to negotiate in terms of the chord sequence.

The hardest song I've ever had to personally work out and learn of the Beach Boys (out of probably 70 songs over the years) was "Long Promised Road," which was Carl's.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Ricky Fataar's exit from the band on: July 30, 2017, 02:30:52 AM
It makes sense they'd call him first if Dennis bailed out.  I mean, he'd be the logical person.  He'd only just left.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The cringiest BB moment? on: July 15, 2017, 03:34:22 PM
The original version of "Hey Little Tomboy" during the breakdown.
The 1981 American Bandstand appearance
The 1981 Long Beach appearance
"Summer Of Love" video

The 1980 GMA appearance is up there, but if you squint at it a certain way it's actually somewhat hilarious.  I can't squint at the four examples above in any way.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why has \ on: July 03, 2017, 10:55:18 PM
It's a really interesting question!  And I have a vague recollection of having heard it on the radio at the time (not true of "It's OK" or "Peggy Sue").  It is kind of the lost Beach Boys hit during a period when they didn't really have any.

I think it might be as simple as none of the parties involved has any great affection for it and it never occurred to anybody.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Aren't You Glad (2017 Stereo Mix) up on youtube! on: June 23, 2017, 03:38:01 PM
It's an excellent remix and Mike's vocal is outstanding.  Hit me right away.

For those wishing for a punchier sound - that's a function of it being a midrange-centered recording.  You put more treble on there and it's just not going to be the WILD HONEY sound.  It's a midrangey record, and that's where the instruments have the most natural sound in this mix.  They've done an incredible job getting the elements in good separation and clarity without screwing too much with the vibe.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Does anyone know who played bass on Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, and Friends? on: June 09, 2017, 11:20:04 AM
The answer's out there...I forget which book I read it in (maybe Leaf's, maybe Gaines), but it's this:  things had gotten too weird for him...and I mean dope-wise, not music-wise. According to one of those books, there was a lot of hashish being smoked in and around the band (not to mention the acid Brian, Dennis and Carl had all apparently dropped), and that wasn't his thing. He's on record as saying Smiley was "brilliant" - he even calls out "W. Woodpecker Symphony" as genius. He proved his loyalty by going to England on a promo trip for "H&V", even though he wasn't on the released version. That's why Bruce isn't on Smiley Smile, or the latter quarter of the SMiLE sessions, for that matter. That's why Brian was at the Hawaii shows and Bruce wasn't: he took a sabbatical until things apparently normalized to the degree that he felt comfortable returning.

Yeah, I think there's no question Bruce was freaked out and uncomfortable with the drug use and general weirdness (quite understandably) but it's still a bit amazing that someone whose status in the group was as uncertain as his was just decided to blow it off.  OTOH, he had his own career and power centers that he could conceivably return to (and in fact did much later), so he probably felt like he would be fine even if he wound up being dismissed.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Does anyone know who played bass on Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, and Friends? on: June 08, 2017, 11:15:15 AM
So what happened?  Had he quit the group or had the group "let him go?" Until they needed him, which they definitely did in Hawaii but he wasn't there?  So from the concert on May 19 Bruce was absent from recording and from the Hawaii concerts until Sept 11!  4 months was like an eternity in the 60s.  What was he doing?

There's a lot of smoke to the proposition that Bruce was basically out of the band, or skating very close to it, during that period.  Recently elsewhere (can't remember which board or thread) a story came up that apparently a nascent version of Three Dog Night (pre-Redwood) was being considered with Johnston has the third member.  It didn't happen, but I would bet it was during this period that it was being considered.  Interesting.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did Brian Attempt The Lead Of Long Promised Road? on: June 06, 2017, 03:44:44 PM
I took the challenge.  I do hear what you're hearing.

Question:  how was this version generated?  Is this some kind of phase cancellation?

came from a Rough Mix of Long Promised Road. And I played around with it on Adobe Audition. I think I could do a much better job of bringing those vocals up

I'd buy that it's Brian mostly on the basis of phrasing...but it's impossible to know how much what we're hearing is an illusion created by artifacts.

I swore once it was Brian doing the falsetto on "Baby Blue" - and my ears are better than most for picking this stuff out - until Alan Boyd played me the solo track and demonstrated beyond a doubt it was Carl...
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did Brian Attempt The Lead Of Long Promised Road? on: June 06, 2017, 12:19:23 PM
I took the challenge.  I do hear what you're hearing.

Question:  how was this version generated?  Is this some kind of phase cancellation?
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Oh Darlin' vs It's Getting Late on: May 30, 2017, 11:10:35 AM
"Oh Darlin'" on the other hand, might be the most boring Wilson-Love co-write I've ever heard. It just is so workmanlike in a bad way. And Carl's vocals are so draggy. And then there's Bruce's cheesy "God Only Knows" callback near the end. Just a total faceplant.

This. 

Though the Wilson-Love "When Girls Get Together" is probably just as boring.  Same album, too.  Hmm.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BB songs you love but other fans not so much on: May 29, 2017, 11:55:59 AM
I'm sure no one who knows me will be surprised to hear that my choice is disco HCTN.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BB Songs Many Fans Love But You Don't Care Much For on: May 28, 2017, 10:43:26 AM
This came up on another thread, but "Crack At Your Love" on BB85.  It's generally considered one of the better tracks on the album but I just can't stand it.  It sounds like a Casio demo.  It lays there and dies.

"Sunshine" is just a two chord bleah that goes on FOREVER.

But my greatest apostasy is "Feel Flows."  It has grown on me over the years - I no longer hate it, I have actually grown to like it - but it sure took a long time to warm to. 

I guess tediousness is a common thread running through all those three songs.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / selling my Beach Boys book collection on: May 12, 2017, 12:13:53 PM


Over the last 35 years I've amassed a pretty decent collection of Beach Boys books. As part of a personal downsizing project (and because I probably have absorbed as much knowledge about the Beach Boys as it is healthy for one person to have), at least some of these books must go. A few are marginally collectible. If you are interested, shoot me an email. I'll entertain offers for individual books or for the whole lot.

I also have Timothy White's "The Nearest Faraway Place."

Moderators:  Feel free to move elsewhere if I have posted inappropriately (I took my best guess)
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Video Clip for Love And Mercy 1988 on: May 09, 2017, 11:00:35 PM
No, I know what he's talking about.  I saw it at some point.  Mark Linett is in it as well.  It's from '88.  IJWMFTT is a different clip.
19  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Jan and Dean's Carnival of Sound-I'm confused on: April 30, 2017, 11:57:39 AM
Just intensely read your details on Jan's accident. Wow! Lots of info I never knew, such as Jan's car hitting the curb first and then going out of control. I knew about stupid writers saying three people died in Jan's car, always made me angry.

Yeah, myths and misinformation about Jan's car accident have been perpetuated for years.

It's all from a poorly-worded article in the Times, yes?  Something along the lines of "Singer injured, three others killed in LA accidents" - people not noticing the plural.  I'm paraphrasing.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Video with David Marks on: April 19, 2017, 01:59:49 PM
Great track, Adam. And a cool vid, with everyone evidently enjoying themselves.

I particularly like that little organ figure at 0:49!

David's building up quite a head of steam there. Wow.

I'll link it at my other board. Thanks for sharing.

Please do!  Thanks!
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / New Video with David Marks on: April 18, 2017, 01:54:50 PM
The new Mod Hippie video, featuring David Marks, has just hit the 'net...good times!

Link below:

https://youtu.be/EYYxDgEJUWM

The record and video feature David on rhythm and lead, D.J. Bonebrake of X on drums, and Teresa Cowles of "Love and Mercy" fame on bass and vocals.

The album, BIG WOW, features David on six tracks and is available at www.karmafrog.com/store.html.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jan & Dean Appriciation on: April 10, 2017, 10:41:48 PM
I liked Jan and Dean a LOT after Jan and Brian began collaborating.  Before that...not so much.  Their doo-wop stuff was pretty pedestrian.  But Surf City, Drag City, Sidewalk Surfin, The Little Old lady From Pasadena and Ride the Wild Surf were all A+ tunes and I gladly owned them all.  They also had that sense of humour which Brian spent time trying to [unsuccessfully] locate.

Jan and Dean Meet [and BEAT...or was that Meat and Beet?] Batman was fun too.

"Have a cookie!"

Only one problem...and Jan seemed able to hide it where Brian couldn't on Barbara Ann....Dean couldn't sing.  So... ... ...if they sometimes sounded "off key"...it's because there were no programs for fixing REALLY bad vocals in the first 2/3rds of the 60s.

In spite of that...they were really quite good, collectively, from '63 'til the accident.  AND they also hosted the TAMI show really well.  The perfect choice for the 'gig'.  'They're Coming-From All Over the World'.

There's a great moment on some Beach Boys interview from the late '60s where Dennis, with some asperity, identifies Dean as singing "the parts that were out of tune" on "Barbara Ann."  It's a cool and enlightening moment because even Dennis, who was probably the least disciplined and pitchiest harmonist of the original five, was still steeped enough in the family business of harmony that he was irked that someone around him was flat and had to vent about it in an interview several years later.

I had the same thought when David Marks was here recording vocals - that even though he was a largely non-singing member of the group, he was unusually focused and exacting about his own pitch.  Growing up around Brian Wilson does that to you I would imagine.

Which is not to diss J&D.  Love 'em.  They were pretty pitchy though.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why All The Hate Concerning Album/Song Production? on: April 09, 2017, 12:41:06 PM
Adam...Rather than go hunting...Any new recordings from you lately?  I've got the 2006-Dennis and Carl c d sitting right here in front of me.  Lee

Phew...well, so as not to derail a thread (but there is relevant Beach Boys content) I'll just post a list and a link, and you and others can make your own judgments as to what's worth your time.

As artist, since 2006:
Daylight Kissing Night (2008) - 20-track compilation.
Go West (2009) - 23-track double album, made #22 on amazon for three seconds.
Hello Cleveland (2010)
The Owl and the Full Moon (2013)

Albums I've produced and also performed on in the last two years include:
Summer Children - On The Go (2015) - mostly retro country album with several ace Beach Boys pastiches including the title track
Mod Hippie - Tomorrow Then (2015) - Psychedelic wall-of-sound garage rock
David Marks & The A-Phonics - Back In The Garage (2016) [I did not play on this one, producer only]
Pacific Soul Ltd. - The Dance Divine (2016) - retro soul album (think '70s Bee Gees/'80s Prince) - includes an Al Green-styled version of "God Only Knows" that people either love or hate
Rob Martinez - New Love Environment (2016) - straight down the middle power pop album, really catchy songs; I played all the instruments on this one.
Mod Hippie - Big Wow (2017) - Angular garage rock/post new wave pop album.  David Marks is all over it on lead guitar; D.J. Bonebrake of X drums.

And countless sessions I won't bore you with.  Currently working on Rob Martinez' second album and an album of my own partly recorded in Bali.  Most of these records are available at www.karmafrog.com/store.html

Oh, and I filled in on bass with the Rembrandts last night.  Badly, I might add.  And that's what's going on with me!
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / David Marks video shoot pics on: April 09, 2017, 12:22:35 PM
Pictures from a video shoot last week featuring David Marks are up now on Facebook.  The video is for "Psycho Romeo," the second single from BIG WOW, the new album by Mod Hippie.  David is all over the album, and his rhythm and lead guitar drive the track.  It's a really cool, angular pop tune.

D.J. Bonebrake of X drums on the track and he is also in the video.  That's Teresa Cowles on bass, of "Love and Mercy" fame.

When the video is done, I will post a link to it.  David was in high spirits at the shoot as you can see.  The album is already available at www.karmafrog.com/store.html or at the usual outlets.













25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Wanted: Audio editing tips & tools for a personal Beach Boys related project on: April 08, 2017, 12:35:15 PM
As a younger and newer Beach Boys fan, there are very few Beach Boys related topics that I can claim to be an expert on. One of them is Saltair, the abandoned resort near Salt Lake City that the boys visited in 1968(?) with Bill Hesterman and photographer Cyril Maitland.  Here is the article I wrote about that visit:

https://bonnevillemariner.wordpress.com/2012/06/14/the-story-behind-those-beach-boys-photos-at-saltair/

(BTW, I welcome any corrections or new pieces of info on this event that you may be privy to-- I update it as needed.)

It was actually researching the old Saltair site that led me to rediscover the Beach Boys several years ago.  I'm currently working on a book about the resort's history.  You're probably aware that the resort's story is mostly a long, happy ride weaved with tragedy, and I'd like to put together a short audio montage that expresses that.

I'd like to do something a la Atticus Ross's "Black Hole" from Love & Mercy.  Not sure if I'll travel backward or forward in history, but on one end of the montage would be turn of the century ragtime. At the other end would be a Beach Boys track (probably "Salt Lake City"). I'll cut in subtle recordings of Great Salt Lake waves and various amusement park sounds, but the star here will be the music.

"Black Hole" is pretty much exactly what I'd like to emulate here.  Lonely, ethereal. A loving tribute but with darker tinges.  I've dabbled in audio editing before, but nothing halfway serious.  If you're the editing type, what software/tools would you recommend? What tips would you give me? What would make this project epic?

If you want to get really inside, end it with a zombie chase and something from Jan & Dean's CARNIVAL OF SOUND...
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