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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: It’s OK on: Yesterday at 08:30:50 AM
"It's OK" is a dumbed-down rewrite of "Mess of Help." They've added a half-line in the verse of "It's OK" in place of the backing track vamp in "Mess," which seems to trick many folks into not discerning just how similar the two tracks really are. The extra couplet that operates as the chorus for "Mess" ("belief I cried/ain't no shuck'n'jive/I need a mess of help to stand alone") is removed, and instead of a middle-8 that gets repeated/augmented as the tag ("She don't know a thing" etc.) you just get a closing tag that gets embellished as it repeats ("Find a ride"/"in the sum-sum-summertime" etc.).

Brian is well-known for reworking tracks, and I'm figuring he figured that all that funky over-production on "Mess" was simply obscuring an up-tempo hit. A snip here, a chord substitution or two there, Mike with a clothespin on his nose doing the lead instead of the larynx-destroying growl of Carl, textbook 60s harmonies to further disguise the fact there's no chorus, and--voila! Semi-crypto-ersatz BB "Do It Again" again (with that endearingly cheezy electric piano riff).

It had a good lead-in with "R&R Music," but they waited 2-3 weeks too long to release it; the momentum on album sales for 15BO went cold very quickly once word of mouth about the LP got around, and the single stalled.

I continue to hear "Keepin' the Summer Alive" as a valiant but ultimately lame attempt to mash up "Marcella" with "Takin' Care of Business," to the detriment of both. Transporting that back to '75 or '76 is impossible, of course--and even if you could, there's the fact that Bachman-Turner Overdrive was already fading out at that point (their peak was with "You Ain't See Nothin' Yet" in mid-'74), so one has to question if that really would've put the band on top in that time frame. I'd still contend that the best shot at a hit single in '75 for the band would've been a version of "River Song," but the ship had sailed on that already. A somewhat altered arrangement of Dennis' version from POB with Carl on lead, and some added contrapuntality on the tag might have been the ticket to getting the band its first hit from a member of the band other than Brian. But the specter of ENDLESS SUMMER was creating a lot of uncertainty in '74-'75, which translated into a lingering creative paralysis.

Agreed and well put.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 30, 2020, 10:09:40 AM
It does seem like quite a shame that Stephen wasn't more involved with the FF set (unless I'm mistaken?). I can only imagine politics are part of that, although maybe there will be some interviews with him. It definitely seems like he became the 7th member of the band at that time.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 25, 2020, 10:03:34 AM
I just did another interview for the project with Brian on Friday.
Brian knows all about Feel Flows.

Very cool. Thanks Howie.

Anybody who at this point doesn't understand that Brian will plead ignorance with random fans, or in certain generic interview situations in which he isn't comfortable (Howie excluded) in order to get out of talking about things that could have touchy or political connotations, simply hasn't been paying attention to Brian's nature (albiet inconsistent nature) for decades.

I mean let's face it, Mike did the same thing when he brushed off FF in that interview a few months back. It's preposterous for anybody to think that anyone in the band somehow doesn't know/care what's going on with the box. For the life of me I can't understand how anybody could draw that type of conclusion.

Yes, Brian won't know the name of the pressing plant that the box will get manufactured at. I'm sure there are some details that will escape him because he doesn't care about that type of stuff. But I'm sure he knows plenty, especially if the entire project was jeopardized, there's no way he wasn't aware and didn't/doesn't care about the important stuff.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 24, 2020, 06:49:31 PM
Brian was asked about the boxed set on the live Q&A he's doing on Facebook. His response? "Feel Flows I don't know about that"

Brian probably couldn't care less

I guess that's why Brian opened up and gave extensive interviews about the era for the box. Right?


Brian also went hardcore on the '69-'71 era in a way he hasn't anywhere else.
Depending on the day, the dude remembers -- him discussing the genesis "Marcella" was a pinch-me moment.



Yes, Shady. Brian did all that, went deeper than he ever has before, as described by Howie, all for a project he couldn't care less about.

You took what I said wrong

I never said Brian wasn't involved in the project or that he didn't care to contribute to it in a meaningful way. I was referencing the delay issues, the release date hold up, the fall out from the box set. Brian contributed, gave the ok and moved on in my opinion. He probably doesn't even know its called Feel Flows and I'm not saying that negatively

Fair enough, sorry if I misunderstood what you're saying.

But even upon that clarification, I still take issue, because to assume that would mean that Brian doesn't care whatsoever that his late brother's material was being jeopardized, and I just don't buy that. On top of that, there was a period where the entire release was totally up in the air if it was going to happen at all. I'm sure Melinda was pissed about Mike being a bratty man-child, and unless she's a robot who is able to just press a button and not let that emotion show at all to her husband, it doesn't make much sense to think Brian doesn't know/care at all.

Especially seeing as he's at home 24/7 these days and isn't on tour with plenty of distractions, I'm sure he has plenty of time to ingest some facts here and there about what's happening. Even accidentally.

I do think it's very possible that Brian has tried very much to stay completely out of the drama involved in this set, and most likely his wife tries to shield him from the stress of it. Maybe Brian is somewhat of an ostrich, but I don't think he is just totally checked out from knowing or caring anything about what's going on.

And if Brian for some reason has chosen to not care or to purposefully remain unaware of what's going on, well once again that choice can be traced back to the ongoing stress and politics that releases by this band always go in tandem with, and the blame for that rests on the shoulders of his cousin.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 24, 2020, 04:43:31 PM
Brian was asked about the boxed set on the live Q&A he's doing on Facebook. His response? "Feel Flows I don't know about that"

Brian probably couldn't care less

I guess that's why Brian opened up and gave extensive interviews about the era for the box. Right?


Brian also went hardcore on the '69-'71 era in a way he hasn't anywhere else.
Depending on the day, the dude remembers -- him discussing the genesis "Marcella" was a pinch-me moment.



Yes, Shady. Brian did all that, went deeper than he ever has before, as described by Howie, all for a project he couldn't care less about.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 24, 2020, 03:15:27 PM
Brian was asked about the boxed set on the live Q&A he's doing on Facebook. His response? "Feel Flows I don't know about that"

Translation : all of his cousin's FF-related antics are stressful to even think about, so he'd rather just avoid the question

Translation: Brian didn't want to give more than 3 word answers to any questions.

That may be true also. Brian could also say "yes, coming soon" as a brief response if he wanted to. But if Mike was behind shenanigans - as has been said by insiders who would know - do you think Brian *wants* to open the door to a discussion that could lead to somebody asking him about said shenanigans? He probably wanted to change the subject just like for decades he wanted to change the subject about Smile, because it had become an uncomfortable thing for him to get into. Same with when Brian was once asked about POB, and he pretended to be unaware of it.  Tough to talk about his brother Denny for any number of reasons, especially if Brian is having an off day, so easier to just brush it off and move on.

Hopefully this set's release can transform into good vibrations for Brian from here on out, but I'm sure for a while there behind the scenes, this set and the holdup and attempted thwarting of content must have been somewhat stressful, and it's far from the first time Brian has had to deal with that BS due to that same reason throughout his career.

Do I think Brian is staying up at night tossing and turning over this box? Probably not. He's probably hesitant to put too much of a emotional investment into thinking and worrying about something that could wind up having disappointment as the final result, and it's that sad pattern that he has developed as a defense mechanism because of the release of his art being screwed with by others so much over the years.  I don't think Brian's emotional mental health and well-being is ever a remote consideration for Mike when Mike goes on his ego trips. Does anyone really think this is an incorrect assumption?
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 24, 2020, 01:59:51 PM
Also, I'm really glad that we have a tentative release date.  But May or June 2021?

Why can't it be sooner?  I find it depressing that we still have to wait that long for it.

I mean, wasn't it supposed to come out last February with almost no fanfare?  Why can't they put it out this year with no fanfare?

Alright, maybe lots of "fanfare" had been planned before last February, but since the release date had been derailed none of the fanfare was put forth.  Still, how much fanfare do you need for this?  Especially in this day and age when brick and mortar shops are almost all but gone?  Do we really need 7 or 8 months of anticipation for it to come out?  Didn't someone say the Elvis and Elton John box sets were only announced a few months in advance?  Why can't this come out in December or January; or February at the latest?


Love and merci,
Dan Lega

It was, as seen here, relatively recently that this set, amazingly, got back on track and got momentum again.

There are a number of reasons that that late date on which the set got back on track would dictate that this thing could not make it out in full physical form in mere weeks/a month or two.

Nobody is more of the mind of "put this stuff out before we're all dead" than me; I can't tell you how many die-hard Beatles fans have died over the last decades waiting for a friggin' "Let It Be" DVD. But it's a small miracle (or more than a small one!) that "Feel Flows" is hopefully back on track. Let's all try to stick it out and survive until then....

Just listening with headphones to the 1970 samples that Elora graciously uploaded put me in a totally blissed out, ASMR state of happiness and made me forget about 2020 for a brief moment. The healing power of music. This band has that like no other band. For that reason alone it's quite a shame that this release didn't happen in this year to help fans get through the tough times, but thank goodness a release apparently is going to happen at all.❤️
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 24, 2020, 12:38:10 PM
Brian was asked about the boxed set on the live Q&A he's doing on Facebook. His response? "Feel Flows I don't know about that"

Translation : all of his cousin's FF-related antics are stressful to even think about, so he'd rather just avoid the question
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 24, 2020, 10:59:46 AM
Yep. Remember the brouhaha when the tracking on that one disc on Made in California was off by half a second?

oh god, yes.

Makes me wonder if any sort of final QC was performed on the MIC master before that slipped out into the hands of the public. I'm guessing somebody screwed up big-time behind the scenes with that one. I got a disc replacement myself.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 22, 2020, 09:38:26 PM
Al Jardine just called in live to Billy Hinsche's show on Facebook and said that the Feel Flows box set will be released in May or June of 2021.

Ugh.  6+ months?!  Say it ain't so.   That's disappointing but if there's anyone is a position to know and be willing to talk, Al would be the guy. 


I want to celebrate and be only happy about Al's words, but I suppose I won't feel confident that it's truly coming out intact, and I won't be able to feel there's zero chance of it potentially still being compromised in one way or another until there's a formal press release with track listing released. Just trying to be realistic here.

As proven already with the way this it has been treated like a yo-yo, the only way the release is truly secure and not able to be messed with anymore is once it's actually out.  The longer the period of gestation before it comes out, the more it could still maybe be used as a bargaining chip by a certain someone. If it was held up before, it could theoretically be held up or messed with again, but hopefully that won't be the case, and I'll just try to be positive from here on out, but understandably I'm being a bit cautious in my glee. Most certainly hearing these samples is very tantalizing.

Hopefully no more shenanigans will happen before then, and I also wonder why they are waiting such a long time, unless they think that it's going to sell better as a "summer" product or are hoping to tie it in with some sort of reunion for promotional reasons. I think whatever shenanigans have happened already is why the project missed the opportunity to be released during this holiday season. Shades of the Pet Sounds Sessions box set.

11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 22, 2020, 09:07:01 PM

Unrelated to FF, but what a shame about Al losing the video from the Postcards show he had professionally filmed. I wonder what the story is with that. He sounded really quite sad about it.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 22, 2020, 01:15:50 PM
It needs to be said that whoever brokered this piece accord between the various BBs parties to finally make this happen deserves a Nobel peace prize in pop music. Screw all of this casino awards BS; a new award category needs to be given to the unsung hero(s) of this set, including Howie, Jon, and who knows who else. That will probably never happen most likely in any official capacity, but it's nevertheless well deserved.

People behind the scenes somehow really made a positive difference for music history of the world.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 22, 2020, 12:08:47 PM

WOW. Thanks so much. Holy crap. That instrumental snippet of long promised road... damn
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 21, 2020, 06:00:32 PM
I've never heard any Sunflower session tapes — like a lot of fans, my close awareness of the BB's sessions ends in 1968/69 with the end of the eight-track era, which, as I understand it, was as late as the guys who made the Sea of Tunes boots was able to go. The rumour I heard was that the bootleggers didn't have access to a 16-track tape machine, so there was no point them making copies of any archive 16-track tapes, with the result that all tapes made after the band switched to recording on 16-track in around 1969 were off-limits for them to pilfer. I've no idea whether that's correct, but it's certainly true that the detailed Sea Of Tunes discs pretty much grind to a halt at that point in BB history.



It would be fascinating to hear a detailed rundown of how the SOT boots came to be. I mean, it's almost worthy of a documentary. There must be some fascinating tidbits to tell.

Was it someone entrusted to the vaults who snuck an early DAT recorder in, for the sole purpose of colluding with bootleg distributors to sell them the material, for the bootleg companies to then press to CD and sell to indie music stores?

The sheer quantity and quality is astounding, and honestly it seems like it was the heist of the century from a bootleg perspective. While the morality of how it went down is certainly hard to defend, from purely a music historical perspective it was a tremendously important and wonderful thing for that music to have been freed. I'd argue it might have help further the band's legend in terms of fans learning the band was underrated and worthy of deeper discoveries by fans.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 21, 2020, 05:50:30 PM
The reason Sea of Tunes stops at 1968-69 is because Capitol owns those masters, and BRI owns Sunflower and on. There’s definite grey area on the Reverberation tracks. Songs like “San Miguel”, “Got to Know the Woman” and several others, began on 8-track, and were later transferred to 16 when the group obtained a 3M M-56 16-track in 1969. The Capitol songs from the same period like “Celebrate the News” and “Break Away” were completed on 8-track.

This is very interesting, thanks for that insight.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's role in the live band during the \ on: November 21, 2020, 11:31:37 AM
The frustrating thing is to look back and realize how many of the Beach Boys' peers and contemporaries from the 60's created memorable if not classic songs during the disco era without falling too far into "formula" disco, which was the extreme pendulum-swing that killed the genre by reducing it to formulaic elements and robotic grooves instead of matching quality songwriting and sounds with a 4-on-the-floor beat.

I'll cite "Miss You" by the Stones, "Shakedown Street" by the Dead, "Silly Love Songs" and to a lesser degree "Goodnight Tonight" by McCartney, "Rise" by Herb Alpert, "Lowdown" by Boz Scaggs, and an early example is "Golden Years" by Bowie which was in regular rotation on Soul Train...and quite a few more. All of those are still being spun today on various broadcast and streaming radio platforms, and a few are on regular rotation with classic rock stations.

Then there's the Bee Gees, who were more or less *the* prime example of disco music that sold like hotcakes and pretty much changed the musical landscape in the 70's, along with becoming a pop culture landmark with the white suits and Travolta and all the trappings. Underneath all the imagery were fantastic songs...absolutely some of the best songwriting of the 70's if you just look at the big hits from the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack. Iconic...and the songwriting was as good as it got.

Even Chicago tried to get into the game again after Terry's passing with "Street Player", but that laid an egg more or less.

And then there is the BB's Here Comes The Night, which is mostly forgotten and for those who remember and know it, scorned.

I guess my point is, all those acts mentioned above did these songs and adapted to what was hot at the time, and did so by writing new original songs that held up as pure songs on their own even without the 4-on-the-floor or sweeping string parts or octave-laden bass lines that were all over the radio in the late 70's. Disco artists created some classic records again with all original songs that became big hits.

So I'm thinking with a recent Grammy-winning songwriter at the helm, and a frontman who constantly reminds audiences of his songwriting prowess, and at least one Wilson and a Jardine who could step up, why didn't they try to craft an original song as their peers had been doing and forget remaking a rather obscure album cut from '67? I don't think the song they chose to remake and disco-fy was the right platform, and I ask again with all the songwriting chops supposedly in the band even without Brian and Dennis, why didn't they just do something new instead of a remake?

I guess the lack of truly original hit songwriting and the reliance on remakes, covers, and trying to recapture the "cruisin and fun in the sun" stuff over the next 15 years or so after their foray into disco music might answer that question.






I wonder if the idea to use HCTN (instead of The BBs writing something wholly new) was perhaps twofold - I see it as an effort to continue to smoke and mirrors illusion that Brian was more involved with the 1979 album then he really was, and maybe also pushed by Mike as a reminder of the Wilson/Love team which seemed to have once again mostly dissolved after MIU.

I guess they thought telling the world that a Brian Wilson-penned song was their new big hip disco smash was thought to be a good selling point, and the song being obscure meant that few people would even be aware it was a 12-year old remake. I suppose that sounds good on paper. Plus the song itself (the 1967 version at least) is a great one.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 21, 2020, 10:51:32 AM
FEEL FLOWS is alive, well, and thriving.
No one will be disappointed.



Thanks Howie!!!
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's role in the live band during the \ on: November 21, 2020, 09:37:43 AM
I'm a big disco fan in general, I love the Bee Gees, Donna Summer, all that good stuff, yet it's been hard for me to get into the disco HCTN.

It is as though I'm the perfect person to be a fan of it because I don't have any sort of aversion to disco at all, But I don't care for it all that much. For a while I disliked it, now I'm a bit neutral on it, I'm starting to come around on it a little bit but I just don't think it's particularly great. There are some elements to it with some of the vocals that are annoying and unintentionally laughable to me, plus it's way too long and sticks out like a sore thumb on the album. That said I can still appreciate some elements of it.

It just really doesn't belong on the album in the extended form that it is there with. I'm not sure that I've ever seeked out the various other edited versions, how many are there?

 I think I thinkmaybe if it had been edited it could have fit in on MIU album, which is really the closest thing the band ever did to a disco album. That fact hardly ever gets discussed, but the drum beats on a number of songs, including "match point" definitely have a distinctly disco sound. It just really doesn't work on the LA light album in 1979 in extended form.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Auto Tuning / personnel on: November 20, 2020, 10:30:06 PM
I made a recording recently that I wish I could go back now and autotune one note. I know nothing about autotune, how to get it, how it's applied, etc.

There are free programs like Audacity which allow for pitch shifting of waveforms, which at its core is the same concept as Autotune. It's a great thing to use sparingly, here and there. Autotune allows for lots more specific tweaking, but can become absolutely wretched if overused. A little goes a long way.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: November 17, 2020, 05:34:08 PM
If those recent Utah shows were sold at full capacity with no gaps in seating, then that's even *crazier* than I thought.

All Mike cares about is how many tickets he sells.

If he can get away with it, he will, that is his go-to mentality.


Very good, CD! I see you're starting to see through this jackass.  Cool

Believe me I've always known he was a jackass, but I was willing to *try* to give him the benefit of the doubt for a very long time. His currency with me has completely expired as I'm sure is the case with many others. This year was the nail in his coffin for any respect or benefit of the doubt I ever gave him.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: November 17, 2020, 03:44:53 PM
If those recent Utah shows were sold at full capacity with no gaps in seating, then that's even *crazier* than I thought.

All Mike cares about is how many tickets he sells.

If he can get away with it, he will, that is his go-to mentality.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's role in the live band during the \ on: November 17, 2020, 03:41:50 PM
How regularly was Brian touring with the guys 76-78? I always had the impression that it was sporadic, as was his onstage participation. I think it depended on how he was feeling day to day, or at least tour to tour.

He toured regularly with them from fall of '76 through spring of '82, but still missed some shows along the way. He was absent from a handful of shows in mid-January '77 while finishing up the Love You album, and (I think) a whole tour in early August of '78 (due to his personal issues at the time), but otherwise was a regular member of the live band those years.

He was present for the opening night of their four-night March 1979 Radio City Music Hall stand, but was then absent from the rest of that run - otherwise, I believe he was at all 1979 shows. He missed their late July-early August 1980 tour due to illness. Other than their May 26, 1981 television shoot for the 4th Annual National Cheerleading Championships in Miami, I think Brian was pretty much there for all shows that year (but not always exactly "there", if you know what I mean). '82 was hit-and-miss, with Brian missing whole tours in June and July, all shows in November and December, and several occasional shows in other months. By '83, he was back under Landy's care, and mostly just played high-profile gigs on the west and east coasts, plus a few others around those dates. Likewise in '84, after which his appearances at non-televised gigs reduced to practically nil.

Am I misremembering, or was the disco version of "here comes the night" premiered at those radio city music hall shows? I seem to recall hearing it received a very underwhelming response, could I have been why Brian skipped out on the other 3 shows?
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Auto Tuning / personnel on: November 16, 2020, 04:42:22 PM
He's nowhere in the credits for Knebworth and wouldn't have been involved anyway at that time. I may be misremembering it, and please correct if so, but I think the pitch correction on Knebworth was applied at the request of certain band members or involved parties after hearing the raw tapes. I also think it may have gone against the wishes of others involved, but again that's for another discussion if that memory is accurate.

As far as BB '85, they were going for a current hit record sound which is why they brought in Steve Levine, who is a top-notch producer and did what he was hired to do on that album. Steve could speak to more of what he did (and has spoken highly of working with Brian on the record but not as highly about the band as a whole) with the mixing and recording. But in 1984, if it was a use of pitch correction that was audible, it could have been as simple a patch-in as an Eventide Harmonizer which would digitally generate a harmony or doubled note on top of the original note (the Eventide was literally everywhere in the 80's), or as in-depth as sampling vocal notes into whatever early samplers they had available and pitching each sampled note digitally.

Keep in mind both the Eventide and those early samplers were used as aesthetic, sonic effects as much as trying to correct something and sound natural. Those sounds were on hit records in 1984-85 and labels would ask producers and engineers to use them to make songs sound like hit records.

Agreed, whatever effects the Eventide and samplers added in the 80s to BBs material sound good to my ears. Autotune is as dreadful as it gets, and once you hear it, and can recognize it, it's impossible to unhear it.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Auto Tuning / personnel on: November 16, 2020, 03:55:50 PM
Was Joe Thomas involved with the Knebworth CD/DVD?

That's a good question. I don't think so but I don't really know.

Other than solo BW material, I think that CD must be the earliest-released product by "The Beach Boys" that has autotune on it, unless somebody has information that I don't.

I remember hearing there was perhaps some sort of primitive 1980s pitch correction used on the BBs 1985 album, but whatever that was, it doesn't remotely have the yucky nature that autotune has...
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Auto Tuning / personnel on: November 16, 2020, 03:22:34 PM
Some of Mike's leads on Knebworth are autotuned to death. Just listen to "Little Deuce Coupe"...

Right. When I first started noticing Autotune artifacts on that album, it really made me retch. Count me as one of the people who is very much put off by blatant, lazy use of Autotune, ESPECIALLY on what's supposed to be a live album.

On a studio album, you can maybe sorta kinda forgive it a little bit, if you are listening to music with the mindset that it's an artistic choice to make it sound a certain way with effects. I mean, the band did use all sorts of weird FX such as on She's Going Bald, which could certainly be argued without question were an "on purpose" effect. I still think it SUCKS VERY VERY HARD on a studio album to have 70 year old men sound like robots, awful awful, but at least it's not masquerading as a "live" performance from 40 years prior.

But on a live album, especially a vintage live performance from decades in the past, it's literally as nausea as George Lucas adding CG characters to the analog universe of vintage Star Wars movies. Utterly unnecessary and horrifically embarrassing. And again, insulting to the listener's intelligence. But maybe the mindset that gave the thumbs up to CLUMSILY adding Autotune to a 1980 performance is akin to certain voting factions within the band knowing that the low-information meat & potatoes segment of the CD purchasing audience won't know or care or detect it.

Personally, I think they were talked into using it by Joe Thomas, or some music execs who have no taste. Also, this band is so notoriously difficult to deal with getting everyone to agree and sign off on things, and more so as the decades have gone by. So maybe Autotune on some otherwise poor or possibly thought to be unreleasable lead vocals was the only way a release would happen, or at least it might have cut down on arguments, and sadly, would cut down on the number of takes which the members would have to do. The members have not been interested in doing as many takes as needed to get a decent sounding take minus the bowling lane cheating bumpers that Autotune provides. (Yet look at the Gershwin album - when Brian CARES, he will do great leads). UTL is bar none the worst Autotuned disaster I've EVER heard by ANY artist.

I still wonder what Joe Thomas was thinking - was he trying to make things simply "in pitch" and didn't think anyone would notice Autotune was added? Did he think most people would not care even if they noticed? Or was it just that the bar has been lowered by many artists doing crap Autotune stuff and it has become so commonplace as to think that this is what sells and how things SHOULD sound on modern music? The proliferation of lazily-applied Autotune is absolutely a travesty as far as I'm concerned. I'm very sad that some late-era music by my fave band has been tainted (in some ways minimally, in other ways very much so) by this utterly terrible trend. History won't be forgiving to it.
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