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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 7 Years Later and STILL no Barnyard with Backing Vocals on: February 16, 2018, 12:11:05 PM
With the 1966 and 1967 copy write archive releases done unfortunately it seems very unlikely we are going to get this.  But didn't this come out on some advance copy CD-r's of the Smile Sessions box set?

Somebody on the net must have ripped and/or saved it from that advance promo (it might have just been streaming). I cannot believe nobody did.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: February 09, 2018, 01:57:13 PM
Or a VDP picture! LOL

It's just funny because the shirt is SO 1966-1967-centric, and seems to romanticize that time period, which of course is the time period that the majority of people who take issue with Mr. Love believe he acted particularly abhorrently, or at least in a manner that perhaps most negatively impacted the band's career (arguably of course, because there are so many time periods to choose from regarding terrible actions - and yes I know he cowrote Good Vibrations in this time period too).  

Other than the obvious positives that Mike contributed to the song Good Vibrations, I think that only in Mike's own mind is that era any kind of era that people would largely associate him with in any sort of "positive" way.

Time/era aside, that shirt HeyJude posted above is completely influenced by the acid culture of the 1960s in both style and reference (Haight/Ashbury street). And for a man whose biggest regret in life is the drugs that other people took, you’d think he’d be less inclined to support such a cultural style that was directly influenced by the drugs he supposedly hates.

Yep, my thoughts exactly. It's really, really weird. Mike's the last guy to be promoting an "association" with him and the Haight/Ashbury scene... and he'd also probably be literally the last person from famous bands of that era to be welcomed with open arms to the remnants of that scene today. Laughable in every way. It's like Vanilla Ice marketing a shirt today that has a bunch of hardcore Compton gangsta rap 1990s imagery.

And it makes you wonder who the hell this is marketed toward. Like Gabo said, Mike Love would wear this, and I think that’s about the only person who would wear this. Reminds me of...



“Oh, this is the worst-looking hat I ever saw. What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh?  Oh, it looks good on you though”

The only people who would wear this shirt (made "famous" by a waaaaaaaay out of touch rich old guy) are other rich old guys who are similarly waaaaay out of touch, because they'll be the only people who can afford said shirts, and also the only people who won't realize the unbelievable ironies that make for unintentional hilarity that we have spoken about.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: February 09, 2018, 01:34:34 PM
Or a VDP picture! LOL

It's just funny because the shirt is SO 1966-1967-centric, and seems to romanticize that time period, which of course is the time period that the majority of people who take issue with Mr. Love believe he acted particularly abhorrently, or at least in a manner that perhaps most negatively impacted the band's career (arguably of course, because there are so many time periods to choose from regarding terrible actions - and yes I know he cowrote Good Vibrations in this time period too).  

Other than the obvious positives that Mike contributed to the song Good Vibrations, I think that only in Mike's own mind is that era any kind of era that people would largely associate him with in any sort of "positive" way.

Time/era aside, that shirt HeyJude posted above is completely influenced by the acid culture of the 1960s in both style and reference (Haight/Ashbury street). And for a man whose biggest regret in life is the drugs that other people took, you’d think he’d be less inclined to support such a cultural style that was directly influenced by the drugs he supposedly hates.

Yep, my thoughts exactly. It's really, really weird. Mike's the last guy to be promoting an "association" with him and the Haight/Ashbury scene... and he'd also probably be literally the last person from famous bands of that era to be welcomed with open arms to the remnants of that scene today. Laughable in every way. It's like Vanilla Ice marketing a shirt today that has a bunch of hardcore Compton gangsta rap 1990s imagery.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: February 09, 2018, 12:03:08 PM
Or a VDP picture! LOL

It's just funny because the shirt is SO 1966-1967-centric, and seems to romanticize that time period, which of course is the time period that the majority of people who take issue with Mr. Love believe he acted particularly abhorrently, or at least in a manner that perhaps most negatively impacted the band's career (arguably of course, because there are so many time periods to choose from regarding terrible actions - and yes I know he cowrote Good Vibrations in this time period too).  

Other than the obvious positives that Mike contributed to the song Good Vibrations, I think that only in Mike's own mind is that era any kind of era that people would largely associate him with in any sort of "positive" way.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: February 09, 2018, 11:47:54 AM
Apparently Robert Graham is the company that has been making the overpriced shirts Mike has been bundling on his website with his book, etc. for some time:

I'm trying to think of something uglier than this:



Good lord Shocked

Is this from the Formal Clown Collection? Who would wear this shirt in public?

Wouldn't it have been great if someone at the t-shirt design factory snuck in an "Over and over the crow cries uncover the cornfield" lyric into the design somewhere as an easter egg?
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson lookalike = actor Edmund Cobb (super eerie) on: February 02, 2018, 09:21:16 PM

!!!
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson lookalike = actor Edmund Cobb (super eerie) on: February 02, 2018, 01:16:00 PM


That is Brian

Amazing, isn't it? Seriously uncanny.

Standing next to "Brian" in that pic  is the guy who later did the voice of Mr. Ed.   Can I get a horse in here indeed.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson lookalike = actor Edmund Cobb (super eerie) on: February 02, 2018, 01:14:47 PM
I remember thinking this actor who played a police officer in The Dark Knight looked a lot like Brian.



His name is Keith Szarabajka.

 I can see it a bit as well.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson lookalike = actor Edmund Cobb (super eerie) on: February 01, 2018, 09:56:51 PM
Mike Love lookalike spotted in the wild earlier today at Costco:




10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - on: January 26, 2018, 10:50:31 AM
This is almost as bad as the fake Fleetwood Mac that tried to tour in the 70s

It's also literally so incredibly insulting to the other members to play something THAT close in time to the UK C50 final shows. It gives the impression, whether intentional or not, that Mike thinks they don't matter one friggin' iota. It seems to very much much be cut from the same cloth of behavior which no less than Al Jardine publicly in an interview called "crass" (I'm paraphrasing) with regards to how quickly Mike replaced Carl with a surrogate and went back on the road. Yes I realize nobody passed away here, but still it's gross in my book (perhaps not equally as gross). Mike's very, very, very afraid of losing control.

I think the shows SO close to C50 were to flex his muscle and pound on his chest like a gorilla. "I AM the Beach Boys! Rawr!"



It's like breaking up with your longtime wife and then going on a rebound adventure 15 minutes later, directly after walking out the door.

I guess Brian's album title "No Pier Pressure" is sort of Brian's "You Oughta Know", where (at least to me) the implication is to remind Mike that it was a slap in the face how quickly Brian was replaced, and wondering if Mike is thinking of Brian as he (Mike) f*cks the brand name into the ground.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: January 26, 2018, 10:27:07 AM
Regarding Mike being required to book his own shows back after C50, it's worth actually looking at his tour schedule for the remainder of 2012 and into 2013.

From September 30, 2012 through the beginning of February 2013, Mike booked...wait for it.... NINE shows across EIGHT venues.

He dumped the reunion tour in order to play these shows:

September 30 - The Legacy Concert for the Children, The Santaluz Club, San Diego, CA
October 5 - Extraco Events Center, Waco, TX  
October 6 - The Backyard, Austin, TX  
October 12 - Beau Rivage, Biloxi, MS
October 13 - Beau Rivage, Biloxi, MS
December 21 - New Orleans Bowl Friday Night Concert, Champion's Square, New Orleans, LA (Free Show)
December 28 - Pike's Peak Center, Colorado Springs, CO  
December 31 - Mystic Lake Casino, Prior Lake, MN (2 Shows)

Nothing in November 2012, nothing in January 2013. Only FOUR shows in February 2013. Even assuming maybe he booked a few private/corporate gigs we don't know about, and even taking into account at least three canceled gigs (two in South America, plus in the infamous "Nutty Jerry's" gig), I somehow doubt BRI had a requirement that both *forced* Mike to book shows, but then also allowed for such a *light* tour schedule.

This is just my total guess/gut feeling, but it kind of smells like Mike just started booking a hand full of shows to essentially create a plausible reason to say he couldn't do more reunion shows (See? I already have my own shows booked!), and also to start getting his foot back in the door and re-establish his band as the going "Beach Boys" touring concern.

I think this is absolutely a logical explanation for what happened.

In the history of rock music, I'm sure one would never, ever find a case of a brand name being used SO quickly back to back with different configurations, literally a day or two apart, from the highest art of those UK C50 shows with super huge setlists, butted right up against the M&B show that happened right afterwards. It's insanity, with Mike trying to get people to think it's The Beach Boys so, so soon after an actual BBs show. In the words of Vanilla Ice, "it's not the same".
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2018 Tour Thread - Postcards Storytellers Tour on: January 25, 2018, 05:22:02 PM
Did Al have a signing session after the show, or did you just catch him?

Al just posted another pic on Facebook which seems to indicate he's doing signings:



Al Jardine rules.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 30 Years Ago today... on: January 22, 2018, 01:50:25 PM
Mike calling out "The Mop Tops" as he did that night, in that setting, might lead to questions about the whole deal with "Pisces Brothers", and the sentiment contained therein, since George Harrison was there that night too. Just watching the speech, the look in Mike's eyes and his body language...he looked like he was getting ready to brawl rather than give a speech. Was he miffed at Harrison at that time for some reason, his "Pisces Brother", enough to publicly call him out?

Oh to have been a fly on the wall on the limo ride home for any of the BBs' (or any of the other bands there that night).

How big a deal and how widespread was the news of this foot-in-mouth situation back then?
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 30 Years Ago today... on: January 22, 2018, 01:17:19 PM
I love Al's comments from his 2000 Goldmine interview about the HOF ceremony:


Let's go back to the Beach Boys' induction into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. It was a bittersweet night. It was an amazing honor that was lessened by Love's bizarre speech. What are your memories of that evening?

It was one of the early inductions. It was such a monumental event because of the magnitude of the stars that were there. It made us feel almost humbled by it. It was the Beatles, Bob Dylan, The Surpremes, The Drifters who were inducted. So many great stars. John Fogerty was there, Mick Jagger, Jeff Beck, Bruce Springsteen, Elton John, who inducted us, Billy Joel, Paul Simon. The stage was so jammed when we did the jam session at the end that I didn't even run into Paul Simon. It was awesome to be inducted. It was a mixed pleasure. Brian opened up with a speech of his own, written by his surrogate father, Gene Landy. The nutty professor, Gene Landy, who ended up writing a book with Brian. He scripted everything Brian did and said, so it was a little bit unusual and stilted. There were words there that Brian never uses in his speech. I could tell that. Then Mike was just dying to get to the microphone. As we were leaving the stage it seemed as if - Carl was trying to get us off the stage so the next artist could get inducted. Bob Dylan was waiting in the wings. Mike just drifted back to the microphone telling everybody how fuc ked it was that people that were still living weren't there, like McCartney. I'm not really sure what to this day he was trying to accomplish other then maybe the politics of the record business were not to his liking. But this was not an event to discuss the politics of the record business. That's a discussion you have at another time.

Were you, Carl and Brian embarrassed or just plain angry by his speech?

Of course, both. I remember meeting Dylan backstage and Bob saying, "What's going on?" [laughs] He said, "I'm sure glad he didn't mention me." [laughs]

When you returned to your table, did you say anything to Mike about his wacky speech?

He was sitting next to Muhammad [Ali] so I didn't want to start anything. [laughs] Just kidding. But I immediately went over to George [Harrison] and Ringo and I said, "Geez, guys, I really want to apologize for that speech. My partner's not feeling too well." I said something to that effect. [laughs] They put their heads on my shoulder. That was really touching. When I was leaning down between them Ringo just kind of came over and put his head next to mine. He said, "Oh that's okay, we love you guys." George did the same thing. They were really nice.


I understand Brian was mortified and some of those mentioned by Mike let him know they still loved him and didn't blame him...trusted friends as sources, wasn't there myself.  We all do stupid stuff.  I think Mike has a good side, and have seen it - he needs to express it more and the ego-based, greed, jealousy less.  That's all. Still waiting...
 

Landy was likely there in attendance (probably by side of the backstage area), right? I wonder what Landy thought right at that moment that Mike got egotistical and rudely stole Brian’s spotlight? I could *almost* imagine Landy having been motivated to personally run out to the stage to push back to Mike taking the mic away from Brian. Could you imagine if that had happened?

Not trying to paint Landy as a good guy, because he was absolutely a mega sick bastard himself, but since he was pushing the “Brian’s family/band is toxic to Brian” narrative (which I believe was partially true), I could see him trying to be a hero and doing that. I wonder how many people have in fact ever stood up to Mike in that manner.

I feel pretty confident that Mike would not have done what he’d done if Denny had been alive and in attendance onstage with them. Because Denny might have kicked Mike’s ass right then and there. That literally would have been the greatest anti-bully moment in the history of rock, akin to the scene in Back to the Future where George punches out Biff.

15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 30 Years Ago today... on: January 21, 2018, 10:40:35 PM
Regarding the hats...keep in mind, this is a man who did the ALS "Ice Bucket Challenge" a few years ago, where a bucket of ice water was dumped over his head while he was wearing a ballcap...and his hat did NOT come off. It's uncanny. If you did that to most men wearing a ballcap, the cap would come off in the deluge of ice water. Not Mike.

Do you think Mike and Trump share tips on how to keep that head covered? Trump picked up on the self-promoting baseball caps.  I'm thinking Mike rejected that creation on top of Trump's head?! But maybe the "glue down" process.  Grin

I'm guessing staples and/or gorilla glue

Gorilla, and not horse? I'm thinking maybe the hat glue was referenced secretly by Brian with the "can I get a horse in here" comment in '66…

Unfortunately it seems nobody taught MR. (mike) ED(ward) the yays and neighs of proper conduct.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 30 Years Ago today... on: January 21, 2018, 10:01:14 AM
Disappointed that Mike didn't commemorate the anniversary with a post about it on his Facebook page…
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian at Hawthorne HS recently on: January 18, 2018, 11:34:03 AM
Getting back on topic (sorta), I wonder if any BB band member left any evidence of their high school attendance, such as graffiti in bathroom stalls, names/initials carved into wooden desks, etc?
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian at Hawthorne HS recently on: January 18, 2018, 11:17:11 AM


Yeah, talk of documentaries from both camps makes me wish PBS did a 3 part/6 hour unbiased series on the entire band  

I too wish for there to be an unbiased series. Sadly, I feel absolutely certain that the only way this will happen is when the principals are no longer with us, and nobody is around to try and force an agenda, or shut down content that actually speaks about the role narcissism played in the trajectory of this band (and its affect on the music, band, and the members). That's been the huge elephant in the room that I don't think has *ever* been talked about at length (or at all?) in any documentary about this band, and there's no way anyone can be honest with themselves and claim that isn't a big part of the story.   The actual *word* needs to be used and not stepped around.

Riiiight, because that would be unbiased and free of any agenda

 LOL

I'm not suggesting a hit piece, just an honest talk about this uncomfortable, but sadly unavoidable (if it's actually an unbiased series) subject. Just as that same subject could not and should not be avoided in any real, proper, and unbiased documentary (should one be made) about guys like Phil Spector or Billy Corgan. I honestly, truly, from the bottom of my heart am not suggesting this be done with the intent to diminish the reputation of a particular member of this band, but simply an honest discussion about things. I'm sure if it were properly done, some empathy would come his way too if the probable root causes were discussed.

Possibly, and I'm not at all saying Mike was a saint or anything.  I just think The Beach Boys history is wrought with issues, and if you're going to discuss any of Mike's foibles, then an unbiased documentary should give equal time to everything that plagued the band, be in the substance abuse of the Wilson brothers, Manson, Landy, poor musical decisions (ie Smiley Smile instead of Smile, no Dennis songs on Surf's Up, becoming a nostalgia band after Endless Summer, ill advised forays into disco and rap), etc etc etc.  

Agreed. I think there could be a decent, sensitive way to discuss this stuff, although it wouldn't be easy, without it being done in a tabloid/agenda-driven manner. Yet of course I also understand that band members' families may wish for privacy regarding certain matters too.

But the narcissism angle is **way, way** too big a part of the story to just causally avoid. We're talking decades of consequences.

I think the only way you can tell the story while mentioning all of the BB issues without it going into tabloid fodder would be to do an extensive doc like what's been mentioned.  That way the darkness doesn't completely overshadow the light. 

I'm fine with that angle being acknowledged as long as it doesn't perpetuate the belief that Mike is the devil, and Brian, Carl, Dennis, and Al are angels. 

Fair enough.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian at Hawthorne HS recently on: January 18, 2018, 11:09:16 AM


Yeah, talk of documentaries from both camps makes me wish PBS did a 3 part/6 hour unbiased series on the entire band  

I too wish for there to be an unbiased series. Sadly, I feel absolutely certain that the only way this will happen is when the principals are no longer with us, and nobody is around to try and force an agenda, or shut down content that actually speaks about the role narcissism played in the trajectory of this band (and its affect on the music, band, and the members). That's been the huge elephant in the room that I don't think has *ever* been talked about at length (or at all?) in any documentary about this band, and there's no way anyone can be honest with themselves and claim that isn't a big part of the story.   The actual *word* needs to be used and not stepped around.

Riiiight, because that would be unbiased and free of any agenda

 LOL

I'm not suggesting a hit piece, just an honest talk about this uncomfortable, but sadly unavoidable (if it's actually an unbiased series) subject. Just as that same subject could not and should not be avoided in any real, proper, and unbiased documentary (should one be made) about guys like Phil Spector or Billy Corgan. I honestly, truly, from the bottom of my heart am not suggesting this be done with the intent to diminish the reputation of a particular member of this band, but simply an honest discussion about things. I'm sure if it were properly done, some empathy would come his way too if the probable root causes were discussed.

Possibly, and I'm not at all saying Mike was a saint or anything.  I just think The Beach Boys history is wrought with issues, and if you're going to discuss any of Mike's foibles, then an unbiased documentary should give equal time to everything that plagued the band, be in the substance abuse of the Wilson brothers, Manson, Landy, poor musical decisions (ie Smiley Smile instead of Smile, no Dennis songs on Surf's Up, becoming a nostalgia band after Endless Summer, ill advised forays into disco and rap), etc etc etc.  

Agreed. I think there could be a decent, sensitive way to discuss this stuff, although it wouldn't be easy, without it being done in a tabloid/agenda-driven manner. Yet of course I also understand that band members' families may wish for privacy regarding certain matters too.

But the narcissism angle is **way, way** too big a part of the story to just causally avoid. We're talking decades of consequences.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian at Hawthorne HS recently on: January 18, 2018, 11:01:40 AM


Yeah, talk of documentaries from both camps makes me wish PBS did a 3 part/6 hour unbiased series on the entire band  

I too wish for there to be an unbiased series. Sadly, I feel absolutely certain that the only way this will happen is when the principals are no longer with us, and nobody is around to try and force an agenda, or shut down content that actually speaks about the role narcissism played in the trajectory of this band (and its affect on the music, band, and the members). That's been the huge elephant in the room that I don't think has *ever* been talked about at length (or at all?) in any documentary about this band, and there's no way anyone can be honest with themselves and claim that isn't a big part of the story.   The actual *word* needs to be used and not stepped around.

Riiiight, because that would be unbiased and free of any agenda

 LOL

I'm not suggesting a hit piece, just an honest talk about this uncomfortable, but sadly unavoidable (if it's actually an unbiased series) subject. Just as that same subject could not and should not be avoided in any real, proper, and unbiased documentary (should one be made) about guys like Phil Spector or Billy Corgan. I honestly, truly, from the bottom of my heart am not suggesting this be done with the intent to diminish the reputation of a particular member of this band, but simply an honest discussion about things. I'm sure if it were properly done, some empathy would come his way too if the probable root causes were discussed.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian at Hawthorne HS recently on: January 18, 2018, 10:54:01 AM


Yeah, talk of documentaries from both camps makes me wish PBS did a 3 part/6 hour unbiased series on the entire band  

I too wish for there to be an unbiased series. Sadly, I feel absolutely certain that the only way this will happen is when the principals are no longer with us, and nobody is around to try and force an agenda, or shut down content that actually speaks about the role narcissism played in the trajectory of this band (and its affect on the music, band, and the members). That's been the huge elephant in the room that I don't think has *ever* been talked about at length (or at all?) in any documentary about this band, and there's no way anyone can be honest with themselves and claim that isn't a big part of the story.   The actual *word* needs to be used and not stepped around.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian at Hawthorne HS recently on: January 18, 2018, 10:48:53 AM
What's Mike going to try to do to upstage this?

Go back to kindergarten and get a new juice box

 LOL LOL
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl and Kowalski on: January 17, 2018, 05:17:33 PM
I never really thought too much about that but you bring up a good point. I thought it was later in the game, after Carl passed, that Kowalski's drumming really started to go down hill. That's the only explanation I can come up with, in thinking about it, considering Carl's ''stink eye" approach for keeping the touring unit solid.

Not having been an avid listener of tons of BBs live shows (in the manner that some fans on this board have been), I keep hearing about his drumming becoming subpar, but haven't heard an example. Are there any clips online that are examples of this?
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Can \ on: January 16, 2018, 12:13:22 PM
Melcher's position vis-ŕ-vis the Beach Boys, especially in the mid-late 80s, is interesting. In the Gary Usher/McParland book, it's implied that Melcher and Usher (and I guess, ironically, Brian himself) are all kind of vying to be *the* producer for the band.

Melcher was to some degree indeed at the mercy of whatever the BBs threw at him (though Melcher was co-writing a lot of material with Mike). But I do think in pure sonic terms (recording, mixing, mastering) Melcher does foot a good hunk of the responsibility. He co-wrote "Still Cruisin" and much/most of SIP *and* also produced the sessions. He's a pretty big player in the game, even if beholden to Mike's decisions ultimately. I certainly wouldn't put *more* blame on Melcher than Mike Love. If Melcher had been busy with some other band or something, Mike almost surely would have made SIP happen in much the same way with some other producer.

I like *some* of Melcher's sounds in the BBs' canon around this time, guilty pleasures as they may be. I wonder how much Melcher was responsible for the sound of The BBs in the 80s/90s, in relation to how much he was responsible for The Byrds' sound in the mid-1960s.

Was Melcher a producer who really left his sonic mark in both instances, or did those albums sort of arrive at the sounds they did just out of circumstance, and less due to him pushing for a certain type of sound? Being that different producers yield different levels of control (which of course can vary from project to project). I love The Byrds, but am unfamiliar with the details of those albums' production, as they might compare to Brian Wilson's or George Martin's production footprint on BBs and Beatles albums.

Some bands, of course, will have members that fill an uncredited "Producer" or "Co-Producer" type roll. Was Melcher more of a Nik Venet type, where he didn't do much to make the albums sound the way they did, or more like Brian Wilson who was hugely involved in his heyday, or somewhere inbetween?

Sad that we lost Terry too young, as he could perhaps have answered many of these questions.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Can \ on: January 16, 2018, 10:57:39 AM
I'd draw the direct line from SIP right to "Unleash The Love" in terms of recording technology being used in such a ham-fisted way that it ruins the songs buried underneath all that digital mush. And there is one constant factor between both projects, and his credit is usually "executive producer" or something similar.

I actually don't place as much blame on Melcher, to be honest. If he took the job and was given the task of recreating "the Kokomo sound" on Mike's new material and his "concept album" in hopes of piggybacking on the fluke success of that soundtrack single, he had to work in a certain way to try recreating those sounds for Mike and those paying him to produce the record, and again it was a fool's errand of a goal from the beginning which led to some really bad sounding Beach Boys releases.

I would gladly take the production style of SIP over the Autotune horrors of Unleash the Love ANY DAY.
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