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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Milt Love Auction. on: May 27, 2017, 10:59:04 AM
Milt Away = best song off BW88
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Milt Love Auction. on: May 26, 2017, 02:22:08 PM
Somebody doesn't know the difference between Brian & Dennis
(was this intended to be used on a website at some point)

Why is Brian apparently writing about himself in the third person?

and why did Mike's dad own/collect personal documents of Brian's (and who's calling Mike, Dr. Love anyway)?

And why does this thread title have a period at the end of it?
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 26, 2017, 08:37:51 AM

To return to topic, if the version of H&V really is a live Hawaii REHEARSAL, then I would expect it to be different from the last track on the Live In London/Concert twofer... which was a 'real' live recording from one of the actual Hawaii concerts. And I wouldn't expect it to be the version with the Mike 'Nuclear Bomb' monologue, as that was from the STUDIO rehearsals at Heider's, back in LA...

The track's 4:45 long, so it might be the Heroes rehearsal track without the Mike 'Nuclear Bomb' monologue over it, and with the many recorded sections sequenced together. The 'Lei'd in Hawaii' Heroes rehearsal I've previously downloaded was a lo-fi outtake, like the ones for God Only Knows (rehearsal) on Endless Harmony. From what I've heard, it's unfinished unlike the GV and God Only Knows rehearsals.

Maybe the isolated Mike 'Nuclear Bomb' monologue is a hidden track at the very end of the set?

In all seriousness, I actually would be surprised if there wasn't a hidden track on the set.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 25, 2017, 04:05:01 PM
Thanks for your kinds words, Jude.

I don't want to besmirch any other band, but as someone who's quite aware of what's in several other group's vaults, of the "majors" (and I'm not exaggerating), The Beach Boys are the ONLY one where if its unreleased material was finally released, the entire narrative changes and history gets a revamp. The BB's are the only band who can get a 10th life from what they left on the cutting room floor. The Grateful Dead definitely do not have five more "Sugar Magnolia's" tucked away in the vault -- The BB's have 15.

There are many different avenues and tiers for this material to find its way out. I have a feeling that this release will break through to a new market.

I overheard two industry people today referring to it as the "followup to Smile."
Pretty cool.

Tell everyone you know about this LP.
If it sells, we'll get more.

This is amazing news. I'm always telling people that The BBs are THE most underrated and misunderstood famous band out there, and hopefully this set will further that line of thinking in more peoples' eyes to get them newfound respect.

The famous Jack Rieley quote may have been true, but hopefully sets like these will go a ways towards undoing some of the regrettable in hindsight decisions that led to amazing material being shelved for decades.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Milt Love Auction. on: May 25, 2017, 11:21:14 AM
Crazy. I hope someone who is archivist-minded bids on this stuff and makes the content available for the public to eventually see.

Although in other cases like this (like with Beatles type stuff, for example), I'm assuming it's also fairly common for the public to never get a taste of what content is included if the seller wants to be very private? For example, the buyer of the Durrie Parks acetates never shared their contents (either by simply saying what's on them, or by actually transferring the content digitally) with the public, right?

I suppose maybe the buyer keeping the content private helps keep the value higher for a future flip resale?

Interesting how Milt Love was literally Uncle Miltie to the Wilson brothers  LOL
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Barry Manilow on: May 23, 2017, 10:28:36 PM
Just watched him sitting there on Fallon's show, taking all the credit for I Write  the Songs.  It made me sick. His plastic surgery stiff face is enough to make one gag, but  the fake, I'm the greatest act persona is beyond overbearing. We know who wrote that song and just once, just once, he should acknowledge that fact. Ranting here.

I wonder if Manilow and Bruce had a falling out?  Might be a bit difficult for an LGBT person to be buddies with someone who politically supports a president with bigoted cabinet members. Maybe that's not the case here though, just a theory.

Has Manilow ever talked about Bruce in the past?
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: David Marks to Guest Star on DECKER: UNSEALED on: May 23, 2017, 08:21:45 AM

This is awesome.

It's so cool to know that there is obviously a hardcore BB fan who works on the creative side of that show.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 23, 2017, 08:20:06 AM
Here's the cover art and finally, the official press release (it's long).

Additional 1967 Studio Recordings (Previously Unreleased)
33. Surf’s Up (1967 Version) (5:25)
(Recorded during the Wild Honey sessions in November 1967)
34. Surfer Girl (1967 A Capella Mix) (2:17)
(Previously unreleased mix of Lei’d In Hawaii take from the Wally Heider Recording sessions in September 1967)

Holy cow awesome about these last two songs on the set. WOW. I'm assuming this is a take of Surf's Up that differs from the 1967 version we heard on the Smile Sessions box set?
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 21, 2017, 05:46:11 PM
Am I dreaming?
My thoughts exactly. I never want to wake up.  Grin

It's pretty much the thread I've been waiting for and thought would never come.

Funny how life works.

Me too. I can imagine that if this sells well, it will certainly greatly increase the chances for more sets of this kind for this band.   Assuming this is a physical set with decent packaging, I am going to buy several brand-new copies as gifts for people, and I recommend that others do the same, because we don't want the sales on this to underperform.   It may sound silly, but if there were ever a time to want to do that,  I would tend to think that now would be it.

This could definitely be a testing the waters type of release to gauge the market for items like the famed "bedroom tapes".  I think the title of the set is a smart marketing idea as well, because  in addition to being an actual lyric that is relevant to the set, it has a very summer of love (not the song!) 1967 sound to it, which could pull in more casual fans  as they celebrate the 50th anniversary of that incredibly famous year for music and culture aesthetics.

I almost feel like this set might not have happened quite as elaborately as it seems to have been done, if not for the fact that the Fab four have an incredibly famous album coming out shortly in super deluxe form.  I'm sure that fact was not lost on Capitol.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love You Re-Appreciation Thread #15: All Things 'Love is A Woman' on: May 20, 2017, 09:34:02 PM
I'd agree that while Love is a Woman is definitely the worst track off of Love You, being the worst track off of (IMO) one of the Beach Boys' greatest albums is certainly nothing to be worked up about. Brian's "rough" voice never bugged me on this track, or the album as a matter of fact, though I always imagine what kind of better reception album could have possibly found, had he still had his 70-71 era voice.

I also think it's the worst song on the album.

But... it doesn't bug me as much since it's last, and doesn't interrupt any sort of flow. If I want to skip it, the album just ends slightly early. That said... I think this song has grown on me a bit over the years.

I'll have to listen to it later to find a timecode, but one of the most interesting or unusual things about this tune is that Mike slightly laughs during one of his sung lines. I only recently noticed it. Kinda cool and bizarre that Brian kept that in. There are other laughs audible in other BB songs (like the SS Wonderful, and of course Punchline), but I am pretty sure this is the latest and last example of a BB audibly laughing on a released recording.

Lastly, serious question: could the title and lyric LIAW be a joking dig making fun of the actual Love in the band?
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love \ on: May 20, 2017, 04:26:39 PM

Al Jardine is my favorite living Beach Boy. That said, I really doubt that Mike added this to the setlist with any malintent. He and Scott  (and probably others) enjoy doing the deep tracks and take any opportunity they can to do so. I believe Mike genuinely likes the song (I do too!) And that he just wanted to give the UK fans a treat. Nothing more, nothing less. Actually, it may even be seen as a tribute to Al, as it's announced as by being written by Al, right before introducing the Dennis tribute.

As for the performance, I think it's great! Ike channels latter day Al pretty well on some of those lines, and the background vocals emulate the studio version (rather than the Knebworth version) well.

Very well put, Eric. Agree completely.

I don't think there was necessarily any ill intent… But it would come off as a much more sincere gesture if it had been preceded by a statement, perhaps in an interview at some point over the last *nearly 20 years*, where Mike could've expressed that he wishes the BBs could be playing together with Al, or anything to that effect.  Something to show that Mike actually thinks that Al's presence matters a single iota. It's not like he's shy about giving many, many examples of how much his own presence matters for the band, after all. Unless, of course, the only thing that matters is that Al generated a couple of hits for the band which lined Mike's pockets some more.   I don't want to think quite that negatively about it all, but sometimes it's hard not to.

It's kind of weird to do a tribute to someone after practically ignoring their existence or contributions for decades, then go back to ignoring them right after the fact, in terms of Al not being part of the live show.   Yeah, maybe Al is over being bummed out about being effectively sacked from The BBs -  being as he gets to tour with Brian's band -  I recognize that could be the case too.  It doesn't really make the whole thing any less weird though.

In a nutshell, I'm just saying that Mike has a really funny way of showing affection for people, when by all accounts it seems like he has been effectively banning Al from the band Al co-founded for years.  I wish I could shake that negative feeling, but I don't really know how to.  Am I off-base by feeling this way?  I'd love to know how any fan can just look past the stuff entirely without it even slightly rubbing them the wrong way.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 19, 2017, 11:39:37 AM
We've got to get this set to sell and move units! If we want future sets of other BB albums to get similar treatment, that is.

I hope there's a way to tie in purchases of people buying the deluxe Sgt. Pepper and this.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 19, 2017, 09:15:36 AM
Amazing tracklisting. WOW. They're getting my bucks on this.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love \ on: May 19, 2017, 09:10:39 AM
Mike doing "Lady Lynda" is a bit like when he popped up doing "Surf's Up" in the UK a couple years ago. Both songs are songs very strongly identified in one way or another with something and/or someone that Mike has been antagonistic towards in the past, and in both cases he also had band members poached from Brian's band singing them.

I think from the fan perspective you either immediately "get" why that's viscerally and contextually off and why it leaves a bad taste in one's mouth (and different from Mike having his guys sing "I Can Hear Music" or "Darlin'" or whatever), or you don't get it and it's all good and five different Beach Boys doing 100 different songs in five different bands is cool.

Another thing that is weird about it: post-Lynda breakup, Al clearly has had some issues with the song being sung with its original lyric, which must obviously be due to some difficult feelings about singing specifically about an ex (and her name, specifically). So even though the song was somewhat of a hit, and somewhat beloved to the point that the band continued playing it occasionally, it was surely Al who made the decision to change the name and lyric to something he felt more comfortable that the song would be presented as. Al's prerogative, which again, must have been based on some difficult feelings.

It seems kinda odd for that one particular song to be sung by the touring band again, under its original name, without the input of Al. I don't think Mike called Al on the phone to ask if it was ok. It would be like if Mike, on a current tour, sang Til I Die with the "happy" lyrics he tried to force on the song in 1971 - a very specific song that has deep emotional ties to one other member, and the lyrics of which were of a touchy, personal nature, where only the other (non-Mike) member should be making those types of calls about the song's presentation.  I know some people may say that Brian changing the lyrics of Good Vibrations on BWPS is somehow equivalent to this, but really it isn't. Those weren't deeply personal lyrics where Mike mentioned an ex-spouse by name, and Brian decided to bring them back.

I'll put it this way: if it were pre-1998, while Al was still in the band, I don't think he'd be cool for the song to be played with the original lyric being sung simply if another band member jumped in for that one lyric to squeeze in the "Lynda" part. I don't really see how this is much different, even though he's not in the band anymore (and of course, that wasn't his choice either!)

All that said, I can't say I'm unhappy that deeper cuts are being played by any touring faction. This one just seems weird and particularly uncool, considering Al's sacking.

I can imagine how Mike would feel if the apparently very personal Pisces Brother was performed by Brian's band. But yeah, that would not happen ever.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Weirdest Photos Of Mike Love You Can Find on: May 18, 2017, 10:21:58 PM

I always thought this odd Mike photo reminded me of a sneering Robert De Niro. Anyone else see it?

Michael De Niro The Boat Ashore
The De Nearest Faraway Place
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 18, 2017, 05:10:19 PM
Hoping it's gonna have a super ultimate, newly-revised version of Can't Wait Too Long on it.

I always felt that the two slightly different edits that have been officially released left much to be desired in terms of editing together a cohesive and not-too-repetitious version. I wouldn't be against flying in a few vocals that could fit, as was done on a few SMiLE Sessions tracks. After all, we will already have previously-released versions that we can listen to if we don't like a newly tweaked-with version.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but as long as the band also releases a version of a song that's not tampered with, I am totally down with hearing something like the Sail Plane Song version that we got on MIC.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: May 17, 2017, 01:22:31 AM
I respect Mr. Desper's ability to be understanding and not resentful under the circumstances. The emotional capacity for that seems somewhat akin to Brian's remarkable capacity for forgiveness, and I mean that as a very sincere compliment.

I can imagine many other people employed and subsequently let go in a similar manner would not have necessarily taken it as well. While I can understand what Mr. Desper said about artists needing a level of peace around themselves in order to create, Mike's actions nevertheless sort of remind me of what I've heard that some powerful Scientologist actors do with regards to throwing their weight around sets to weed out and dismiss all the "SPs" who could be dragging down said actors' "superior" Scientologist lifestyles.

I just think there could have and should have been a better way than laying off phenomenal employees, even ones who are able to make peace with it.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: May 16, 2017, 07:49:06 AM
Maybe they had simply forgotten about it by the time CatP/ST was in the works.

They must've been smoking some strong stuff to have their short term memories be *that* affected. Which in reality may have been exactly what happened.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: More info on this performance of California girls on: May 14, 2017, 10:18:53 AM
Yes this was from the Kraft Music Hall Show from February 19 1969-though it was taped at least two or three weeks earlier (Carl describes it to an interviewer on their Feb 7-12 Texas tour)  They also mimed to I Can Hear Music-the current single.  The variety show that week also featured Kaye Ballard, Joseph Cotton, Don Adams and the recently deceased Don Rickles.

Wish The Boys had done a skit of some sort with Don Adams in character as Maxwell Smart.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Summer of Love tour on: May 14, 2017, 10:13:30 AM
Mike may activate your concept, but he's no fool
First he'll get you on the beach or in a swimming pool
Doing unto others is the Golden Rule
But Summer of Love live would be so very cruel  Afro Cheesy

When Andrew Clay goes through a cloning machine, you get a Pair of Dice
Listening to SOL is like swallowing jalapeños whole - too much spice
Bart Simpson not singing the duet as planned was really missing out
In the Summer of Love music video, Brian Wilson cannot hide his pout
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Summer of Love tour on: May 13, 2017, 01:46:56 PM
Being that this is the 50th anniversary of the famous summer of love, as well as the 25th anniversary of the song of the same name, I don't understand why Mike and Bruce don't make a tour based on this concept. People all around the world in every nation like to get together for an exciting Summer of Love tour!

After all, it's not every band that can tour for two separate anniversaries at once. 50th and 25th. They are really missing out if they don't take advantage of this.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Meeting Brian & Al vs Mike & Bruce on: May 12, 2017, 11:25:09 AM
I've never heard a story really of Brian being an a-hole or being mean to anyone.

I have it on good authority, he once beat up a clown....


Do we have any confirmation that this story is the source of the Man Vs. Clown website name? Serious question.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: May 12, 2017, 11:06:11 AM

I truly don't understand how this wasn't released until MiC. It doesn't make sense. I can almost understand waiting to release Carry Me Home, but that too should have been released by now. I think WIBNTLA is a GREAT song (that should have been released in the early 70s) and I feel exactly the same about it now as I did in 2013 when I first heard it.

Edit: Is it my favorite Dennis song? No, but I think it's better than most of the BBs material of that period. Therefore, I was not let down upon its release.

Sometimes I almost wonder if this stuff wasn't (and in the case of Carry Me Home currently still isn't) released for all this time because perhaps for some time, some band members might actually have been embarrassed to reconcile the undeniable fact of how much the band royally f*cked up by not releasing this stuff MUCH sooner. Releasing these songs - and having them get heaps of praise - might only have magnified that embarrassment, not to mention increasing Denny's legend, in the eyes of fans, and perhaps make the bandmates feel even worse.

I mean, it's practically beyond belief that these songs spent decades in the can, considering the quality of the material; another case of "this could only happen with The Beach Boys". I would tend to think the decision could be considered highly regrettable in hindsight (and thus an embarrassing mistake that perhaps they didn't want to be reminded of) by some of the band members. Just a theory.

I give Al, for example, props for talking about regretting that Denny wasn't appreciated enough/taken more seriously on a spoken word track on the Hawthorne, CA CD. Maybe it took a certain distance from Denny's lifetime for some band members to want to go anywhere near the emotions that it might bring by releasing these songs, with the realization that the public would realize what a mindblowing gaffe it was to not release them, compounded by the even more mindblowing gaffe of instead choosing to release all sorts of substandard dreck in place of these tracks in the intervening years (while these tracks languished in the can).

As a fan, I've certainly thought about how, if Denny had gotten more recognition and respect as an artist in his lifetime - perhaps in part due to these tracks, had they seen release and success on BB studio albums  -  how maybe, just maybe, history could have turned out differently for him. If that thought even remotely crossed the minds of any band members - and I'd be surprised if it didn't at some point - I could see how the band might have avoided these tracks for years. It's just easier that way. Avoidance is a powerful drug.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: May 11, 2017, 12:08:29 PM
I never understood doing the whole, "This isn't as good as it was supposed to be." Y'know? Dig what you wanna dig. I think EVERY posthumous DW song that's seen the light of day is a gift. I also don't think that the "hype" was any bigger for that song than, say, "Carry Me Home." The fact of the matter is that it IS that good and it IS that important. I remember marveling with Stebbins about how MODERN (read: timeless) that B-section was. We were amazed at how something so beautiful and unique (that INSANELY brave vocal, that top melody line) hadn't happened until then -- and hasn't since. It remains cutting edge today. Nobody sings like that. And it it retains its power because he was at the first of several tops of his game -- and it was all f ucking power. The voice, the composition -- it happened at the moment when he was loved more than he ever was for the rest of his life -- and his life was as good as it would ever be RIGHT AT THAT MOMENT.

True Health.

WIBNTLA is the fingerprint and soundtrack to as sane and good as it ever got for this guy. It's major, on like, 19 levels. If feel dumb even trying to defend it.

25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'The Sunflower Era' Survivor To Make Our Alternate Sunflower Album #3 on: May 11, 2017, 10:39:52 AM
Tears in the Morning, while it has its moments, is definitely my least fave song on the album. And I am generally a fan of Bruce's songs on BB albums. This one's my least favorite of his BB tunes.

I do not get the dislike for Seasons in the Sun. I think it's a KILLER tune. I was unfamiliar with the original version upon hearing the BBs' version for the 1st time, so I brought no preconceived notions/feelings when I heard it. Carl gives a great vocal, it has great backing vocals, and it's a pretty joyous type of tune.  Maybe it veers a bit into the saccharine Brady Bunch/Partridge Family type of territory, just a tiny bit... but I still love it and really am baffled why people don't think it's a great tune.
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