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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some recent thoughts/theories on C50 and possible potential reunions.... on: Yesterday at 03:53:40 PM
The contradiction becomes when we hear Mike is "all business" regarding his actions around C50 and the Beach Boys, yet his decades long history of remaking and doing soundalikes of BB classics should be seen as strictly for "fun".

So it's either all business or all fun with Mike? The soundalikes are not all business like the other activities?

 Fun is Mike's business and business is his fun.  Smiley

To that end, I think Mike should henceforth change the lyrics to "Fun, Fun, Fun" with "Business, Business, Business" for all future live performances, and all future multiple re-re-re-recordings.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some recent thoughts/theories on C50 and possible potential reunions.... on: Yesterday at 02:24:25 PM
Okay CD. I’ll put my toe in. Mike is a business man first and foremost. Does that make him a villain? Possibly in some eyes.
However businessman Mike signed up for a deal. It was marketed as such. Other joined the deal and agreed to the terms (Al: ‘We’re reuniting this one last time!’). The terms of the deal were extended. Parties completed every contractual date as required.


Firstly, with the implosion of C50, the untold lost amounts of money from larger tours, lost reunion albums/swag, etc, lost critical accolades for the brand/band as a whole, lost positive public/critical reevaluation of Michael Edward Love as a talented (non-hack) artist, are immeasurable.

As a purely business decision, Mike made an incredibly short-sighted move. If he wanted to (which he did/does) he could try to spin this as some sort of positive business move for larger quantity of smaller shows (and making things up in "volume"), but let's see how fast Mike would dodge an interviewer's question that delved into those examples I stated above. Those are not nothing burgers. Those are real things. It's friggin' sad.

There comes a point where saying the admittedly true statement that "Mike is a business man first and foremost" becomes a problem. I mean, we all have to draw the line somewhere. If Mike wrote song lyrics that said "I want your money, every member of the studio audience now... you all won't know the difference who's onstage and I'll take full advantage of that ignorance, now..." you'd probably say that Mike was taking the business side of everything way too far into polluting the art, and it would become unquestionably crass and gross, right?

Well Mike never wrote those exact lyrics, but his actions seem to imply that those are his thoughts. Sometimes, especially when all the parties involved are getting up there in age and it's obvious there won't be all that many more years that this can last - to somehow prioritize a misplaced business plan over what is good and right is just plain worthy of criticism.  

Mike just plain should know how much Brian has suffered throughout his life, and to just give his cousin a friggin' break and cede some control of the situation. Mike should have let Brian stay a Beach Boy again and not imploded C50 to make up (in small part) for ridiculously harassing VDP over song lyrics in '66 and being a contributing factor to that project's demise, which sadly helped usher in Brian's decades-long emotional decline. Also, to make up for the ridiculous 2005 lawsuit against Brian. Mike should have let Al stay a Beach Boy again to make up for pushing him out of the band in 1998. There are myriad reasons why Mike should have just sucked it up and kept things going.



Al bails mid tour and it’s ok. Mike completes 70 plus gigs as agreed and understood by all parties and decides ‘that’s enough’ but he’s the villain.


This is IMO an irrelevant comparison, as Al bailed - yes - but Al didn't bail and say "now I get to immediately book myself as the brand name and you don't!" to Brian. That's the chief dick move of Mike's. The brand name, and the way the band were pushing the reunion, should mean *something*. "Do it Again" became the soundtrack of the reunion, with a redone version and the reunited band singing about doing fun things again. That packed some emotional punch in context.  Then Mike went ahead and crassly remade that same song again (with Mark McGrath and Uncle Jesse) and hoped everyone's memory of the recently-redone version would just disappear.  

It's like Mike is trying to drain any emotional punch or connection that fans could possibly have from the music he creates. Feels like he is playing his fans for fools. Mike, Mark McGrath, Uncle Jesse, all dancing in front of the white bedding sheet in the hotel room. Don't forget the blacklight.

All good points, but I come back to Mike being a businessman first and foremost. His priority as an ‘artist’ ( and I use that word loosely) is waaaaay down the list, right down with his loyalty to his former band mates.
 

Yep, nailed it. Sad indeed.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some recent thoughts/theories on C50 and possible potential reunions.... on: Yesterday at 12:40:34 PM
Okay CD. I’ll put my toe in. Mike is a business man first and foremost. Does that make him a villain? Possibly in some eyes.
However businessman Mike signed up for a deal. It was marketed as such. Other joined the deal and agreed to the terms (Al: ‘We’re reuniting this one last time!’). The terms of the deal were extended. Parties completed every contractual date as required.


Firstly, with the implosion of C50, the untold lost amounts of money from larger tours, lost reunion albums/swag, etc, lost critical accolades for the brand/band as a whole, lost positive public/critical reevaluation of Michael Edward Love as a talented (non-hack) artist, are immeasurable.

As a purely business decision, Mike made an incredibly short-sighted move. If he wanted to (which he did/does) he could try to spin this as some sort of positive business move for larger quantity of smaller shows (and making things up in "volume"), but let's see how fast Mike would dodge an interviewer's question that delved into those examples I stated above. Those are not nothing burgers. Those are real things. It's friggin' sad.

There comes a point where saying the admittedly true statement that "Mike is a business man first and foremost" becomes a problem. I mean, we all have to draw the line somewhere. If Mike wrote song lyrics that said "I want your money, every member of the studio audience now... you all won't know the difference who's onstage and I'll take full advantage of that ignorance, now..." you'd probably say that Mike was taking the business side of everything way too far into polluting the art, and it would become unquestionably crass and gross, right?

Well Mike never wrote those exact lyrics, but his actions seem to imply that those are his thoughts. Sometimes, especially when all the parties involved are getting up there in age and it's obvious there won't be all that many more years that this can last - to somehow prioritize a misplaced business plan over what is good and right is just plain worthy of criticism.  

Mike just plain should know how much Brian has suffered throughout his life, and to just give his cousin a friggin' break and cede some control of the situation. Mike should have let Brian stay a Beach Boy again and not imploded C50 to make up (in small part) for ridiculously harassing VDP over song lyrics in '66 and being a contributing factor to that project's demise, which sadly helped usher in Brian's decades-long emotional decline. Also, to make up for the ridiculous 2005 lawsuit against Brian. Mike should have let Al stay a Beach Boy again to make up for pushing him out of the band in 1998. There are myriad reasons why Mike should have just sucked it up and kept things going.



Al bails mid tour and it’s ok. Mike completes 70 plus gigs as agreed and understood by all parties and decides ‘that’s enough’ but he’s the villain.


This is IMO an irrelevant comparison, as Al bailed - yes - but Al didn't bail and say "now I get to immediately book myself as the brand name and you don't!" to Brian. That's the chief dick move of Mike's. The brand name, and the way the band were pushing the reunion, should mean *something*. "Do it Again" became the soundtrack of the reunion, with a redone version and the reunited band singing about doing fun things again. That packed some emotional punch in context.  Then Mike went ahead and crassly remade that same song again (with Mark McGrath and Uncle Jesse) and hoped everyone's memory of the recently-redone version would just disappear.   

It's like Mike is trying to drain any emotional punch or connection that fans could possibly have from the music he creates. Feels like he is playing his fans for fools. Mike, Mark McGrath, Uncle Jesse, all dancing in front of the white bedding sheet in the hotel room. Don't forget the blacklight.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some recent thoughts/theories on C50 and possible potential reunions.... on: Yesterday at 10:49:27 AM
I think Mike just wanted to go back to the Mike & Bruce band. He more than met his obligation to the reunion band, originally set for 50 concerts, and later increased to what, 75. I can’t understand all of the complaints and theories over this. He more than met his obligations, and then he was done, he wanted out. He’s not a villain in this matter.

Jeff, I don't think anybody is a "villain" in this...

For the people who *don't* think that Mike is the "villain" with regards to C50's ending, I want to know what actions Mike (or anybody) would have had to do to in fact actually qualify as a villain in the C50 implosion. What would Mike have had to have done for those people to say "yep, I think Mike is actually the villain in how this played out"?  Surely some behavior less egregious than literal murder could qualify as villainous in this story, right?

I'm looking forward to the answer.

Granted it's surely a complex and nuanced tale, and it's not a 100% black and white situation, but ultimately the fact is that Mike edged out his decades-long bandmates behind their backs *because he could*. Same reason why Mike edged Al out of the band in 1998. Because he could. Control freaky behavior.  Mike basically changed the locks on the house behind his bandmates' back.

Doesn't mean that Mike hasn't contributed tons of great stuff to the band over the years, it doesn't make him satan. But he's in the wrong on this if we're to look at it from an ethical perspective. If Brian Wilson (and Al) wanted to be Beach Boys again, as they stated, it's really, really f*cked up for Mike to pull the rug out from under them, no matter how many excuses and how many t-shirts Mike wants to print "set end date" on.

It was pretty much Mike's most passive aggressive douchey (and ridiculously clunky) move in the history of this band (and there are many examples to choose from), and sadly it was all played out in public.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Meeting at Brian's house after the 1977 airport tarmac incident...? on: May 17, 2019, 11:16:53 AM
Thanks Ian, will have a look at those  Smiley

HeyJude, yes, very curious case with regard to Al a couple of years before Summer in Paradise. I wonder if the issue arose during the Problem Child session. If so, I suppose it would make sense for the band to then keep it quiet during the lead up to the album (hence only being referenced in one book).


Al does make an appearance in a promo EPK for the Problem Child video/song. So at minimum, he was willing to promote it.  And to also promote the worst haircut he ever had in the history of the band (sorry, Al!). Sideburns were apparently persona non-grata in 1990.

But does Al's face look like the expression of a guy who's happy to be there? I could easily believe he was unhappy at this time from the look on his face.



Interestingly, Carl - the song's lead singer - who also appears in sunglasses in the video itself (which many have speculated could have been an in-joke due to Carl being embarrassed by the song) - is completely absent in the EPK interview. That to me, coupled with the sunglasses thing, does lend not one but two pieces of evidence that he was maybe not proud of being associated with that song or movie. Still, Carl is still without a doubt the best (and only listenable) part of that song.

It's interesting to note that Al doesn't appear onscreen with Mike at the same time. For whatever reason (could have been scheduling, could have been Mike wanting to have a 1-on-1 bromance with Stamos, or Al being on bad terms with Mike, who knows)... Al and Bruce appear, then Stamos and Mike (and a plant) appear.

6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Meeting at Brian's house after the 1977 airport tarmac incident...? on: May 17, 2019, 11:11:21 AM


Regardless of the scenario it seems rather f*cked up to me; not only did Brian end up with essentially no voice in the band, but another band member was given twice the power of all other members. For a band already split into camps (Wilsons vs. Love/Jardine) this kind of arrangement seems like it was an awful idea.

Did Brian willingly cede his vote or was it taken from him? Why did the vote even go to another band member in the first place?


Brian is susceptible to bullying by others, and Brian is also famous for doing all sorts of measures to avoid conflict.
I'll never believe that Brian's giving up of his vote wasn't at least partly due to these factors.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: General Most Loved BB Book? on: May 15, 2019, 01:45:07 PM
I'll add my two cents and my recommendation for the Timothy White book, The Nearest Faraway Place. Definitely seek this one out.

What White did was place the history of the band *in context* with the other histories which intertwined in and out of the band's own journey through generations, times, and places. It was far more than a family tree...In fact as mentioned, this was one of the first if not the first books to go into the family trees of the Wilsons, the Loves, etc. But White took it beyond that.

In discussing, let's say the song "409", White had already branched off and traced the history of Chevrolet and Ford, and how Ford's V-8 engine and Model A car became key elements of the hot-rod scene to follow in the 50's and 60's. White got into the Chevy Corvette, and the move toward high-power race inspired engines. And he got into how the hot rodders came about, devoting time to key players like Ed "Big Daddy" Roth, etc. Then it wrapped up with how Gary Usher came to own and drive a Chevy which he was hot-rodding piece-by-piece as many in the scene had to do as they earned more spare change to buy new parts...and Usher's hot rod Chevy was the car they revved up and recorded on the street with Brian's tape deck, which became the intro to "409", and how the ideas for that song started to flow as Brian and Gary were driving around car parts stores looking for things Gary wanted to add to his Chevy. "Giddy up...".

So that's just one example of how Timothy White wove so many elements and backstories and related histories into telling the story of the Beach Boys.

Too much of history - especially as taught in the schools but I won't jump on that soapbox - is now relegated to a system of rote memorization and programmed regurgitation of dates and names. Where is the context? What came before and after? *Why* did this event happen and what led directly to it happening? The dates and names have been recorded already...at some point the importance of memorizing and repeating those wears out its value...and you need to explore *why* beyond those names and numbers.

White did a masterful job at doing just that, and as this element of connecting the histories instead of spitting out data that had appeared elsewhere, it's a terrific read. I actually wish he had expanded more on the intertwining details and cut some of the band's data which had been reported and published elsewhere, or expanded the book in general, but what we got is top-notch writing and historical research.

Nothing happens in a vacuum, and this book demonstrates that notion very well.




It's been a long, long while since I read that book, and while I did find it a bit long-winded, I also super appreciated the detail and research that White did for it. The idea of contextualizing all that is really interesting, maybe a tad more interesting in theory than execution (sort of how I feel about Robert Altman films), but it's super cool that he made the effort to research and write that book as he did. Maybe if I re-read it, I'll appreciate it better.

I almost feel like White's book would make an interesting documentary film, Ken Burns style.
It is a very Burns-eque take on the BBs story and backstory. Reading that book sort of reminded me of watching Burns' Prohibition documentary or something like that.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys on \ on: May 14, 2019, 01:51:29 PM
Little Richard sang it and Dick Clark brought it to life
Dick's company owns the rights, the no "friend discount" rule stuck as sharp as a knife
Well now do you remember all the corporate suits hoarding footage of our rock and roll

(Doesn't have quite the same ring as the original lyrics, but it's more accurate)
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys on \ on: May 14, 2019, 12:42:51 AM
I don't think Dick Clark was going to cut the Beach Boys any favors just because of their working relationship. DC also made it next to impossible for Paul Revere and the Raiders to license any footage from Happening, Where the Action Is, and Bandstand. It sucks that there is the archive of footage with most of the popular artists of the 50s and onwards just collecting dust somewhere. Who knows, maybe the tapes and films were buried with DC himself!

Boo.

The $25,000 Pyramid Scheme
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys on \ on: May 10, 2019, 10:56:07 PM
I'll do this in separate posts - Scratching the surface for now, and what's to come later isn't solely about TV appearances. Lotsa stuff.  Wink

On the topic of "lost" or unseen/unbooted/etc TV appearances, specifically 1968, here are a few teasers of what was broadcast to fans in '68...

Joey Bishop Show, Friday Nov. 1 1968:





Les Crane Show (Disclaimer: Listed dates varied based on how and when individual markets and stations aired the show, not to mention reruns) :

Aug. 29, 1968 (rerun?)

June 28

June 30 ***Note reference to the Maharishi getting "booed off the stage" in this listing***



Now *here* is a fun one to read. Thursday May 2, 1968...The Beach Boys in some regions could be seen on late-night TV on two separate shows, two different networks, simultaneously! Johnny Carson and Les Crane. The listing first, followed by one critic's negative reaction to this phenomenon  LOL





(Personal note: The BB's shared this May appearance with Richard Benjamin and Paula Prentiss, who were married in real life and had just starred in a way too short-lived sitcom called "He & She"...a show which was groundbreaking and seems a decade or so (or more) ahead of its time, and which is hilarious and adult unlike most sitcoms. If you can find it, watch what episodes are available! I would LOVE to see this Carson show with them and the BB's...sadly, it's gone unless it surfaces somehow in a stash...like the rest)

And a later Carson appearance Tuesday August 13:




And here are the really tantalizing ones, unless someone has them in a collection...because they're lost.

Hy Lit, Sept 68:



A real oddity, rarely mentioned (again, unless it exists somewhere)...Critic John Wasserman had a show called POW! in '68...and as you'll see in the listing and the announcement, he featured a "film" on the BB/Maharishi concerts alongside a chat about Yellow Submarine.

POW! (John Wasserman) Nov 3, 1968:





And then there is Dick Cavett.

From the Dick Cavett morning show, August 13 1968:






Cavett's morning show tapes were, sadly, wiped and reused by ABC. Which means, as with those others above, unless one exists in an unknown stash of reels, the Beach Boys' appearance with Cavett is gone too. When Cavett went to late night replacing Joey Bishop (whose tape reels ABC *also* wiped and reused), Dick paid for his own reels of tape and got control over his archives, apparently very upset after ABC erased nearly all of his morning show reels...which is how and why Cavett's late-night run is so well archived and preserved. Carson began doing this after NBC did the same thing to him, and Carson's archives are, I think, complete from 1972 or so, close to if not all of his run after moving the show from New York to the west coast.


So that's a partial rundown, sad that most remain "lost" as in the network reels were reused or destroyed, or may exist in a collection as kinescopes and whatnot that hasn't been unearthed as of yet. But the Boys had a whale of a year in terms of TV appearances...as I said, they hit all of the big ones. I haven't even added the appearances where the tapes do exist...but they did hit pretty much all of the big shows.

So if the mythology or "facts" are that they weren't popular in 1968...look at the bookings. Twice with Johnny Carson within months...that was not easy to get. And Sullivan. And Bishop. And Merv. And Mike Douglas...

Oh, speaking of Mike Douglas, they were on his show twice too, in '68. This was one of them:



Enjoy.







Thanks for doing that research, GF. Really fascinating stuff there.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys on \ on: May 10, 2019, 12:44:20 PM
Great info and background material. Can't wait to see a full repository of that sort of stuff.

I'd of course love to see that 1969 apperance as well, although purely from a "rare song" point of view, the '68 performance is more intriguing in terms of "Wake the World." Whereas, there are some other extant TV appearances of the band doing "Break Away" and "Cotton Fields" (are we to presume they'd be miming to the 20/20 version rather than the later single version?).

Also intriguing is that, if the show in '69 kept the "American Bandstand" ethos of miming, they must have still worked up some sort of new recording of "Johnny B. Goode" for that show.

I can imagine that appearances like "Wake the World" (mimed) must have contributed to confusion about which BBs band member sang which song on studio recordings. Just when people might have thought they had the voices figured out, something like Carl miming Brian lead vocals must have been baffling.

How many other bands of the era had full lead vocals of a different band member mimed by someone else? I realize that miming is a sign of those times, but when it's a different person's voice being faked entirely, it treads dangerously close to Milli Vanilli territory  LOL
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys on \ on: May 10, 2019, 07:19:37 AM
Happening '68 was definitely broadcast in color, but all that survives of it today is some grainy kinescopes. The nice folks over at The Video Beat have a few dvd's for sale, all b&w.

Ah, that makes sense. What's interesting is that this footage has the "dcma" (Dick Clark Media Archives) bug, suggesting it was pulled for possible consideration to license to someone. So even the actual Dick Clark archives only have these near sepia-toned B&W kinescopes?

I recall hearing over the years that licensing footage from the Dick Clark operation is VERY expensive, which might be one of any number of reasons why this "Happening" footage didn't make it into "Endless Harmony" or whatever documentary it may have been intended for.

You'd think having his name sung in a Beach Boys song lyric, and Dick having written liner notes on the back of one of their early records, would have gotten the band on the discount list, so to speak, for bargain price footage licensing. I guess not. Too bad.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys on \ on: May 08, 2019, 02:05:58 PM
That is SOOO weird, what a find. Thanks for sharing.

I'm not sure what is more disconcerting... Carl miming to a significant amount of Brian lead vocals (the whole song), or the really distracting and silly "skit" bit of Mike and Bruce sleeping and waking up.

Get it? Waking up? Wake the World? Huh huh huh. I hate to be a downer, but this just seems so scholcky and distracting to the song that's being played, as though someone in the band is craving attention and decided to concoct a whole unnecessary "skit" within a song.

- Was this sleeping "skit" something they ever did when they performed live concerts? Or just a one-off for this show?

- And is there a more extreme example of a BBs band member miming lead studio vocals of a completely different BBs band member? I just know of the 1981 (?) instance of Brian miming on TV to Carl's studio lead in Good Vibrations, and I'm also sure there are moments of Carl miming Brian's tiny studio lead parts within Good Vibrations. Not sure there are other examples?
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Career mishaps?? on: May 03, 2019, 10:41:41 AM
It didn't have anything to do with liking or not liking anybody - it had to do with an e-mail received that said that Brian was not going to do more dates -- and Brian didn't know about that. By the time Brian found out that it was spoken for on his behalf and told the powers that be that he wanted in, it was too late: the scheduling was already done, the contracts had already been signed.

If this is not true, then please, provide a source.

I feel very confident in saying that if this email had never existed, Mike would still have put an end to C50 for the (somewhat understandable, I suppose, even though I deeply disagree with his logic) reasons that I stated in my prior post.

He was deeply dissatisfied for a number of reasons which he has complained about many, many times since then - this email just gave him some sort of "out" or "excuse" the he could deflect blame upon.

Do you really think Mike would not have killed C50 anyway, absent the existence of this email?
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Career mishaps?? on: May 03, 2019, 10:26:48 AM
Mike's decision not to continue making music and performing with the C50 lineup, latter part of 2012. The band was on fire and in demand for the first time in ages, having scored a top-5 album of original music and one of the most acclaimed tours of that year, and Mike chose to walk away. It's right up there on the "what could've been" list from the band's entire career.

This.

This was redemption for everyone involved and Mike decided, “nah.”

There's....a lot more to the story than that. The truth is...there's someone else who shares initials with him who's a lot more to blame for that happening.

Granted, none of us were there behind the scenes to know the full details. But nobody forced Mike to start booking M&B shows, right?

Even if he didn't like Brian's wife, how does Mike's decision to move on from C50, spin it as "it was only for 50 shows, then extended to 70+ shows!", complain about backlash with venues if he had reneged on M&B offers, etc, rest with anyone but Mike himself? Let's face it - Mike could/can get out of whatever commitments he had well in advance if he reallllly wanted to, if that's the strawgrab that anyone wants to make.If it would have ultimately benefited his mission of gaining more critical/public respect, not losing full control of the band, he'd have found a way to continue C50 in *some* fashion.

And if Mike had gotten heaps of critical praise for HIS lyrical contributions to TWGMTR, to HIS contributions to the C50 live show... if Mike himself got a particularly high level of standing ovations when HE took the stage in C50, and if there were articles stating how Mike was such an important element of the band, it would have placated his ego, and there's no way he would have just walked away from C50.

It seems quite obvious that Mike didn't get what he wanted out of the project songwriting-wise and praise-wise (feeling that way is certainly his prerogative), he didn't like that a well-meaning spouse of his cousin/bandmate was perhaps too demanding/controlling for his tastes (his prerogative again), and he decided to blow the whole thing up and found a creative way to leave Brian, Al, and Dave out in the cold. He pulled that trigger, nobody else. I can be annoyed/pissed at that, but I can also understand why someone would do that. I just don't understand why people want to deny this is the case. Thoughts, 37!ws?
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson Corvette For Sale on: May 02, 2019, 11:10:14 AM
It appears that the date on the title coincides with the general time frame when Landy had his last contact with Brian after the restraining order was filed. Possibly the car was titled  over to Brian as he was finally regaining his personal property.

Gnarly.

Might this mean that Landy or his goons were driving around in a Brian-owned Vette for a few years to pick up ladies, and then they grudgingly had to give it back via court order? Gross.

If so, I'll bet this Vette has traces of Landy or Surf Nazi DNA in it. If this car could tell stories...

From what I was told, Landy negotiated that he and Brian would both get a corvette for whatever endorsement (I can't remember).  It was a later model than the one pictured, so I think they are different corvettes. I saw Brian's later one, as a friend bought it. What happened to Landy's? - I have no idea.

That's oddly fascinating that Landy was so conniving in the Corvette department. I guess whatever he could squeeze out of people, he'd do.

But unless Brian owned a 1997 or newer Corvette, I don't think the Corvette you are recalling could have been a later body style than the 1990 Brian Corvete for sale at the link above.

Here's Brian's 1990 Vette:



That same Corvette body style lasted until 1996, which was long after Landy was 86ed; here's a pic of a 1996 Vette, which is nearly identical to Brian's 1990 one:



It wasn't until 1997 that the Vette looked visually different:



I love the idea of Brian owning/driving a Corvette, which might have been Brian's own way of paying tribute to Denny, whose '63 Corvette graced the cover of Shut Down Vol. II.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson Corvette For Sale on: May 01, 2019, 10:31:26 AM
It appears that the date on the title coincides with the general time frame when Landy had his last contact with Brian after the restraining order was filed. Possibly the car was titled  over to Brian as he was finally regaining his personal property.

Gnarly.

Might this mean that Landy or his goons were driving around in a Brian-owned Vette for a few years to pick up ladies, and then they grudgingly had to give it back via court order? Gross.

If so, I'll bet this Vette has traces of Landy or Surf Nazi DNA in it. If this car could tell stories...
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys: \ on: April 29, 2019, 03:01:04 PM

To recap, they attended some sort of group therapy with one of *MIKE'S* friends as the therapist; a guy who was a member of *MIKE'S* organization.

Imagine going to marriage counseling with your spouse's best friend as the therapist.
 

It's a pretty unethical move, to have a therapist in one's back pocket, so to speak. The fact that Mike actually publicly admitted it in an interview without as much as a thought that this was a questionable move at best is just baffling. I mean, that's kind of a Landy type move, if we're all to be honest here. Not the admitting it part, but the whole idea of ignoring the rule of a therapist should not be connected in other beneficial (to the therapist) areas of their patients' lives.

Only a year or so before Mike got his friend onboard to be the "impartial" therapist in this Al/Mike "group therapy" situation, a late-era episode of the TV show "Dallas" aired, where JR Ewing secretly paid off a marriage therapist in order to tip the scales to get a desired result from his wife, Cally.

Maybe Dallas was playing in the tour bus and Mike got the idea?  LOL


Here's a direct link to the scene in question:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x734w20?start=1130


19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys: \ on: April 28, 2019, 11:42:34 AM
The whole thing regarding the post-98 touring band(s) has been an absolute mess... I suppose I am typically what'd be referred to as a "Mike apologist" or whatever, but I will never defend the way he treated Al & co. during this era. I can defend a lot of what Love has done, but this situation was pretty much just him being a prick, screwing over Al, to keep his touring machine maximizing profits. I wasn't going to BBs concerts in the late 90's, but I'm nearly certain that Al's touring outfit held no real threat to Mike's. Similarly to how Brian's band can tour the country for the last 20 years, without affecting Mike's business (as he's obviously still able to do hundreds of dates a year) I just can't imagine a world where people would go to see the Fam & Friends band, with two women on stage, and thought "Oh yeah, I'm seeing The Beach Boys" it's just such a ridiculous angle. As we talked about recently in another thread, Jan & Dean were able to tour playing mostly BBs songs from 78-81 and 83-2004 no problem. Dean still has a ratio of roughly 25 BBs tunes to 5-7 J&D tunes... Mike never took them to court.

I can completely understand and justify a just Mike and backing band Beach Boys. Mike, in many respects, is the embodiment of The BBs onstage (being the only live member who never quit the group). I DO have a problem though, with Mike limiting or telling the other guys what they can or can't do. If Mike wants to tour extensively as "The Beach Boys", awesome, I'll see him everytime he comes to town. No problem. But when he starts telling Al who he can play with or what songs he can play, it's totally ludicrous (yes, I know it wasn't JUST Mike, there were lawyers and business men involved, but the whole issue wouldn't have arisen without Mike)

I'm not gonna lie though, hearing about the extent Mike went to, to basically sabotage Al leaves a very sour taste in my mouth. At the end of the day, I really just feel bad for Al. He worked his ass in the band just like Mike did, and all of a sudden couldn't even play his own songs anymore. I'm happy he eventually worked out his Endless Summer band, Surf City Allstars (with Dean Torrence and David Marks), joined BW after C50, and now has his storyteller show. Despite Mike's apparent attempts at being the only touring BBs outfit, Al has made a pretty nice little solo career for himself. And now with the Fam & Friends band reuniting, does this mean another sh*t show from Mike? The name being "Al Jardine Family & Friends Beach Party" is a very clever, and clear avoidance of the former "Beach Boys" association. The "Beach Party" thing makes me chuckle, Dean Torrence has his "Jan & Dean Beach Party" which I saw over the summer (INCREDIBLE show btw, just as good as Mike or Brian's in my opinion) which is just a fancy billing for the aforementioned Surf City Allstars. Why all these amazing musicians have to attatch "Beach Party" to their name is just kinda funny at this point. I understand it in the 90's full house cheerleader era. But I feel like many people who are going out to see BBs related shows actually appreciate the musical complexity and could care less about a "Beach Party" (You could say, people who go to Mike or Dean Torrence are looking for a "Beach Party", but God Only Knows and Wouldn't It Be Nice always get better receptions than 409 , for example, at the shows I've been to)

The Beach Boys politics is just so confusing, maybe now just as much as ever. C50 ended so awkwardly, with there being literal sides taken (Mike&Bruce vs Brian&Al), the weird Town Hall with Mike's shirts,  and now you've got Al's solo shows + Fam & Friends show coming up (Mike possibly upset?), doc about BW (didn't someone on here say Mike's trying to get one made too?), AND rumors of a reunion (Which I'm probably getting too excited for).   Things are certainly gonna be interesting.


What a gentleman Al is for not publicly talking about Mike having a bloated ego and acting wretchedly to him (to the detriment of the band and its reputation). I don't have any doubt that all of the band members have privately discussed Mike's ego behind closed doors with their spouses and friends, but they probably know it would not do them any favors to simply have a frank discussion about it in an interview.  

Which is odd, because Brian's mental issues have been fair game as a topic for public discussion and scrutiny for so many years. Same with Denny's issues.  But Mike's behavior and his underlying causes are some sort of white elephant that can never be discussed except by fans, some well-meaning and some not, on message boards.  Why is mental illness when it pertains to narcissism something that society is afraid to talk about publicly? It's great that we are at a point where mental illness as experienced by Brian Wilson is something that can be discussed with care and nuance - and it's a positive because people will hopefully be more inclined to get help and be more aware. What favors do we do by covering up for Mike and just pretending like  behaviors like his are ok and acceptable?

To keep the peace, Al and Brian  just grin and bear it, or on rare occasion (like right after C50), they talk about unfair treatment by Mike but with kid gloves in terms of avoiding addressing the deeper overall issues.

As I've said for many years, I think Mike would gain major brownie points with the public by just addressing having acted like a dick publicly, and apologizing for some specific stuff without any "buts", but that will seemingly never, ever happen.  It's a shame. I want to see him have a better reputation.

It's a testament to the legitimately fine work that Mike has done over the years with the band that his bandmates and fans grudgingly have tolerated stuff like this. The no women clause to disenfranchise Al is really next level. Not cool.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Misheard Vocals on: April 26, 2019, 11:56:16 PM
I recently listened to That Lucky Old Sun while following along with the lyrics as printed in the album booklet. I was surprised to read that, officially, one of the lines of "Southern California" is "I heard the voice of my mind". I've always heard it as, "I heard the voice of my ma". I still hear it that way. After mentioning his brothers earlier in the song, I think it's fitting.

I can't be alone in this. Anyone else?

I misheard it the same way as you. Although I thought the word was "mom". Kinda bummed to be wrong Sad I dig the mom/ma lyric better than "mind".
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys: \ on: April 25, 2019, 07:46:45 PM
I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.  I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.  THE BEACH BOYS, "AMERICA'S BAND" AS THEY WERE DUBBED, WERE JUST THAT.  although they were formed by white people, the beach boys brought in blacks, filipinos, puerto ricans, and even greeks (stamos, lol). to contribute to the group sound.   The spirit of america indeed!

https://www.popmatters.com/racializing-rock-the-60s-and-the-white-sounds-of-pet-sounds-2495414567.html

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Pet Sounds is not a racist text, but its impact was racist because it further encoded rock as a white genre, perpetuating the institutionalized prejudice that relegated African Americans to the margins of rock.

Granted, this is the same online cesspool that published a NPP review where the reviewer didn't bother to fact-check or do even the slightest amount of logical thinking before writing the piece. Not surprising in the era of click-bait yellow journalism.

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But Chewy, you are ABSOLUTELY right though! This music brings together so many styles, so many people. I mean, even from the latest 20/20 set release, there was that track/story about the African American kid they found rapping (probably the wrong terminology but I'm not sure what else to call it) on a street in New York and decided to pull him into a studio and record him - and now he and his rap from 1968 are a solidified part of Beach Boys history. How freakin cool is that?!

And the main thing is this: The music is about love. You can't not be knocked out by some of those harmonies, no matter where you're from. It is hitting something spiritual and loving...both lyrically at times and sonically. The Beach Boys could not help growing up white suburban kids. But man they took their white suburban life and morphed it into an enterprise that accepted people of all colors, religions, and cultures...that in itself is something incredible...and I'm pretty proud to consider The Beach Boys to be my favorite musical group ever.

Love this post, rab2591.  Totally agreed
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 24, 2019, 09:31:19 AM
I love how when they performed this song for the 50th anniversary, literally no one (well except maybe Bruce) was singing the same part they did on the studio recording.  For the live version, Al was singing Brian's lower part, Jeff was singing Brian's higher part, Brian was singing Carl's part and David was singing Mike's part.  Wild!

That's an incredibly cool observation.

Is there any other song in the band's catalog that, when played live, as many parts were swapped and sung by other BBs official members live when compared to studio?  (not counting Brian's band or M&B, where the majority of singers are non BBs official members).
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: April 20, 2019, 06:27:02 PM
Thank you Debbie KL for your support of Brian.

And as for "fairness" re Landy. The "puppy" episode Brian mentioned in his book told me everything I needed to know about the guy.

Thanks so much. I think, at this point, just celebrating that Brian survived all of that and has done such wonderful things since is pretty great.

Don't know how much I'll be around, since my husband is in the hospital again. I'm just glad professionals are looking at him.

 Sending all the best good vibrations your and your husband's way, Debbie
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Holy Man Record Store Day on: April 19, 2019, 02:34:58 PM
Haha, I felt the original artwork made the Holy Man seem like a product of Area 51, and I've always felt the song was about Jesus Christ. This emulation of the POB artwork fits the song so much better methinks.

The only thing that makes me say Jesus Christ about this version of the song is my reaction to Brian May getting a songwriting credit
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Holy Man Record Store Day on: April 19, 2019, 12:45:10 PM
I made some alternate artwork for my digital collection. In case anyone else is interested:



Rad, that's better artwork than the actual art!
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