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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Interview/Article - UK Independent on: Today at 02:44:20 PM
I'd like to see Mike give an interview under the influence of truth serum.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Interview/Article - UK Independent on: Today at 09:30:22 AM
Mike keeps bringing up the Manson bit seemingly simply because it's something *outside* the group that he can essentially "name drop", or perhaps "story drop" is a better term.

Just like he'll mention how he's buddies with John Stamos, and Stamos was on "Full House." As if, being a co-writer on a bunch of hits and being a member of "The Beach Boys" wasn't enough.

So he seems to be kinda doing the same thing with this regurgitated Manson story. Oh, Manson is a topic of interest again for some reason? Well *I've* got a Manson story! Extra bonus points since it also serves to promote his book as well as get in another dig on a Wilson brother.

As for Mike's "unfortunate" comment, perhaps it's the lack of clarity from the writer, I dunno. Saying "He has his own life and his issues. It's unfortunate, but Brian is on his own trajectory" doesn't really scan to me like he's saying simply their estrangement is what is unfortunate. He's JUDGING Brian's current trajectory, which makes total sense because that's really just a very small variation on his continued insinuations and implications that Brian is essentially currently in a Landy-esque kind of situation.

Further, if that *were* the case and he was simply talking about the estrangement being the unfortunate thing, it's worth mentioning that Mike has been the *main* source of that estrangement by quitting the band in 2012 and then continuing to talk s**t on Brian and Melinda (and Carl and Dennis) in interview after interview. Let's be clear: Reading Mike's book and reading interviews, he LOATHES (and I'm really just using that word in place of "HATES", which is a word I don't like to use but certainly feel seems appropriate) Brian's wife. Whether justified or not, it appears Mike loathes Brian's wife and Brian is ambivalent at worst about Mike's wife (never heard Brian say one bad word about Jackie), and perhaps Mike should point out why THAT might be why there's an estrangement between he and Brian.

I agree with all of this, HeyJude. I think Mike has taken the "I'm family, so that means I'm automatically right and nobody else gets to chime in" thing to such an extreme. I get that we're just fans who haven't grown up with these people, and are making observations from afar. But family members f*ck up relationships sometimes, and they need to own it.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Interview/Article - UK Independent on: Today at 09:12:32 AM


It's irritating for a few reasons. One is that it's hurtful to Brian and to Melinda.  

I kinda think that being hurtful to Melinda is, sadly, the point and actual *purpose* often times with what Mike publicly says. Very, very sad.

Is there any parallel in rock history of a bandmate hating another bandmate's (or ex-bandmate's) spouse *so* much that they will repeatedly try to passive aggressively drag that spouse through the mud publicly by making all sorts of only slightly-veiled very, very f*cked up/twisted insinuations? I don't know quite how much the bad blood between Yoko and The Beatles played out over the years, but the repeated, years-long feud (that continues to only publicly eminate from the Mike Love corner) really feels like it's in its own realm.

I wish it weren't so. I get that some people just can't get along. I don't get the idea that as a celebrity, it's ok to publicly sh*t talk the spouse of one's first cousin over and over and over and over again.  Not sure why Mike thinks that he's doing himself any favors. He is seriously cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs if he thinks he's helping his reputation. I imagine anyone in Mike's circle who dares to tell him this would get banished to Siberia like Mike did to his own brother.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love You Re-Appreciation Thread #1: Introduction on: Today at 09:11:22 AM
Love You is awesome. It's warped, odd, atypical, bizarre, and lots of other things, but it's got HEART. It's a guy who is trying to recapture some past magic for the first time in awhile, finally getting to make a project with his band (utilizing the members as instruments) on wholly his own terms for the first (and ultimately last) time in ages.

There are certainly some weaker spots, but to me the only real clunker is Love is a Woman, which fortunately is at the very end. I recently played a few songs from this album for a friend who'd never heard any of it; she loved it.

Special praise to Roller Skating Child - it just rocks in a very special way, and Mike's vocals (at least in his upbeat type of voice) have perhaps never sounded better. Same with Al's. It sounds modern and retro all at the same time. THIS should have been a single. Maybe the lyrics/subject matter would have held it back; I dunno. 
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Interview/Article - UK Independent on: March 29, 2017, 05:45:29 PM
For what it's worth:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/beach-boys-mike-love-wont-give-up-the-game-at-76-a7653946.html

The few bits that are of (unfortunate) interest:

Does Love still see Brian? “He has his own life and his issues,” he says carefully of his cousin, who has diagnosed mental health conditions, and is said to have suffered auditory hallucinations since 1965 due to drug use. “It’s unfortunate, but Brian is on his own trajectory.”

Why is it unfortunate that Brian is doing his own thing? How is that any more unfortunate than Mike doing his own thing? I get it, he's implying Brian's trajectory is incorrect (based on, I guess, Mike's standards).

In Love’s memoir Good Vibrations: My Life as a Beach Boy, published last year, Love notes the sometimes god-like view which some music fans take of Brian Wilson, wryly acknowledging: “For those who believe that Brian walks on water, I will always be the Antichrist.”

But there’s no ongoing feud, he says, despite what people might like to believe. He sighs: “All that’s what our President might call fake news.”


I don't know what's more annoying, that he's using "fake news" as his line now, or that he denies there's a feud immediately after insulting Brian's "trajectory" in having his own career after Mike quit the band in 2012. Yes, perhaps "feud" is overstating it; it's more like a passive sort of cold war where the best you can really characterize it is that "well, at least there aren't any pending lawsuits." I get the sense relations are frosty as always, and they all have just realized lawsuits are too expensive.

What a bummer. I am, however, fascinated by how Mike doesn't seem to care how poorly he's going to go down in history. Weird.


To try and give Mike the benefit of the doubt, maybe when he said “It’s unfortunate, but Brian is on his own trajectory", the "unfortunate" part of that may have been in reference to the fact that are basically estranged. That is unfortunate. But yeah, with Mike, it's never gonna be worded selflessly and with tact. There will be some semblance of "appearance" of tact, but it rings hollow, because it's ALLLLLWAYS tinged with some passive aggressive icing.

Amy's suggestion of what Mike should have said is absolutely on point. Yes, even a 76-year old man should take suggestions from people on how to come off better.

The fact that Mike is continually saying things to attempt to legitimize the current administration makes perfect sense when one considers how he is also continually saying things to attempt to legitimize his own lineup. I guess for Mike, there is much reason for there to be much insecurity about the legitimacy of both - the only reason for repeated product placement-like mentions. That Mike finds the need to throw an effective political endorsement into an unrelated interview is eyeroll-worthy at best.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Do you play Beach Boys albums when there are visitors? on: March 29, 2017, 11:21:14 AM
I make sure to play Summer in Paradise when I want lingering party guests to leave  LOL
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Would Mike Love Be A More Prolific Writer As A Beach Boy? on: March 29, 2017, 09:49:54 AM
I've often wondered how pissed (or maybe not all that pissed?) Mike was/is at the fact that he was not given the legal right to record/release material under The BBs name. Curious to know if he actually wanted to but got rejected. That could also be another piece of the resentment puzzle, even though I haven't exactly heard him say anything about being mad that he can't record/release material under The BBs name.

What were the parameters of releasing BB music in Carl's lifetime and during the Landy era? Did Brian have to give any sort of signoff on SIP being released, or was that just put out without Brian's consent/knowledge?
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: March 24, 2017, 05:59:34 PM
Hey all

I lurk daily but never post .

I was the guy who filmed Feel flows .   I'm still mind blown that this was played and I recorded right away .   My phone ran out of memory and couldn't film the whole thing

Enjoy the clip !
Thanks!

Seconded!
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: March 23, 2017, 08:55:42 PM
That sounds fu**ing awesome. The band sounds amazing, and Blondie's lead totally works.

WOW. Totally agreed - this is rad - way, way rad.  I think any naysayers will backtrack once they see how good this is.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis on REELZ TV on: March 23, 2017, 06:34:45 PM
https://youtu.be/-CAb09WVfm4

On youtube! Watch soon in case it gets deleted

Thanks so much for posting this.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: March 23, 2017, 10:48:14 AM
At both shows I Saw last year, it was a very even spread of ages however both crowds were very bland. I'm noticing this more and more at all concerts now. Everyone is too wrapped up in filming the whole f-ing thing and not enjoying it.

I saw quite a few shows on the 2016 leg and some audiences were really into it, especially Montreal and Toronto.  There was also a good mix of young and older people.  At the Montreal show the announcer actually asked people not to film or photograph the concert and to just enjoy it as an experience "not through the lens of an I-pad" or something like that.  That got a huge cheer.  

The thing I find hilarious is when you watch a video or TV broadcast of a show, and people in *that* audience are trying to shoot the thing on their smartphone. Seriously, you're at one of the rare instances where you're surrounded by a professional video crew, and the whole thing will be aired and/or released. Why do you need a crummy smartphone video of *that* show?

Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but being as one never knows when/if that professionally-filmed footage will ever make it to "air", as well as if the entirety of the pro-shot show will ever be shown (as opposed to just portions), I can get why people would still film it. Like for example: we know the Hollywood Bowl C50 show was professionally filmed (I think I've read that on this board)... yet it's never been released, and especially with the bitterness post-reunion, likely will never be released in its entirety, the whole show start-to-finish. I'd be shocked if it was. So the people who filmed that show on iPhones may wind up having the only released footage of it.

Same deal with that late 1983 show that was one of Denny's last (which a pro-shot clip is seen of him singing You Are So Beautiful on a released BB doc, I forget which one)... the whole show is available as an audience boot, but we'll surely never see that whole show released, even though there may have been professional cameras everywhere to document it at the time. Thank goodness for tapers! It's always good for historical reasons to have as many different recordings/angles as possible.

That said, I assume most people these days who film shows with iPhones are not geeky BB archivists, but just ordinary fans who want their own personal memory of the show. I used to tape and film lots of shows (including "stealth" filming in the pre-iPhone days - that was ANYTHING but fun to do), and while I'm glad to have a document of the old shows I was at, it's definitely something where I can say that the distraction of my own taping (as opposed to just sitting back and enjoying the show) DID cut into my enjoyment of the shows I attended at a certain point.

Plus, I also get how it can be annoying as an audience member who is NOT taping themselves, to see a sea of iPhone screens in front of them. Totally get that. Maybe Google Glass is the answer to this (even though that will introduce a host of other privacy issues).
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Wilson's Bambu is getting a vinyl release for RSD '17. on: March 21, 2017, 04:12:15 PM

AWESOME
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Wilson's Bambu is getting a vinyl release for RSD '17. on: March 21, 2017, 03:25:36 PM
Bambu: The Caribou Sessions.  Double LP, limited to 3000 copies.

http://www.recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/9522

So stoked on this. I have got to get my hands on a copy.

Does anyone have any idea why Denny chose the title (as well as the spelling) "Bambu"? Interestingly, all the boots I'd had years ago entitled the project "Bamboo", but I assume that the "Bambu" spelling was completely intentional.

I did just learn from a quick Google search that "bambu" is a type of rolling paper, could that be the origin of Denny's title?:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bambu
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis on REELZ TV on: March 21, 2017, 03:01:05 PM
It looks as if this will re-air on REELZ on March 22 - at least up here in the northeast with Xfinity. It is on channel 340 at 9:00pm...

I don't get cable - it would be SO choice if someone could record this somehow (pretty please!)
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Uncut’s “Ask Mike Love” on: March 21, 2017, 03:00:33 PM

I believe Mike is a busy man and is not going to take the time to sit down and watch a film or read a book unless it is done for his leisure time. Not sure if Brian read Mike's book either.

I don't think Brian has read Mike's book either. But as far as I know, at least Brian isn't commenting - let alone dissing - original media, be it books or music, coming from the Mike camp without even seeing it firsthand.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Uncut’s “Ask Mike Love” on: March 20, 2017, 03:30:56 PM
Quote from: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll link=topic=24884.msg606497#msg606497
I bet he has watched it a few times. Would be shocked if he hadn't.

The reason why I agree with this statement is this: wouldn't Mike want to know if there's reason for him to sue for defamation of character in a major motion picture? I feel like he'd want to review the film just to make sure there's not some characterization in the film that he could somehow sue for. After all, weren't there all sorts of lawsuits/threats of lawsuits for portrayals in Brian's 1991 autobiography?

I can't imagine that Mike would just not even bother watching it out of curiosity to know if there's some sort of offensive characterization he could complain about, particularly given what happened years earlier. Or at minimum, perhaps he had his wife or lawyer watch it for him and report back to him.

The idea that someone (Mike) who is portrayed on film (in a project from the Brian "side", a side that apparently in the past caused legal action due to what was viewed as unfair/slanderous previous portrayals) would just "sit it out" and not even want to bother knowing - in full detail, which is only possible by planting his butt in a seat and watching - doesn't seem quite plausible to me. Maybe it's just me thinking that, though.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis on REELZ TV on: March 20, 2017, 12:12:28 AM
did anyone watch this? i cant get REELZ tv and cant find it online anywhere. Curious if anyone saw it?

Ditto here - I hope someone captured the video, since it's not apparently available online on the official Reelz site :/ I'd happily sit through some advertisements to be able to stream it if Reelz would get with the program...
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why no new album in 1975? on: March 17, 2017, 11:22:19 AM
Since we're on the topic of missed commercial/artistic opportunities, I think the biggest misstep was trying to be "hip" in the early '70s. There are elements of Wild Honey and Friends that are kind of "progressive bubblegum" ... and this is my favorite era.

I think finishing and releasing "Soulful Old Man Sunshine" and "Seasons in the Sun" would have brought them into a Partridge Family-type scene on a commercial level. They clearly were not interested as a group, but I believe that would have been a direction Brian might have been more comfortable heading in (there’s that quote where he says “Break Away” was a tribute to the Monkees!) ... we might have heard more BW originals during this time (such as "Games Two Can Play" and "Good Time"). Sunflower was kind of a transition/combo of the "progressive" group and the Friends-era band.

That's interesting to speculate on. It does seem they were venturing into this territory, but were maybe afraid of being thought of as even MORE square by doing so.

I wonder what Brian thought about the success that a band like Carpenters had around this time.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bruce Johnston records \ on: March 17, 2017, 09:46:51 AM
In terms of the original BB recording, I've always felt it was *near* perfect. The middle eight instrumental bars always take away from it for me. It's not a guitar solo. It's chords. It always sounds like something else belongs there. It has no melodic interest for eight measures in a piece that is virtually overflowing with melodic interest.

I disagree. To me that is one perfect "less-is-more" instrumental break.

Totally agree. Might be my favorite part of the song, especially live, when they started injecting it with a little more energy.

I agree, it works live. But for me, it falls flat on the recording. I think if Brian had recorded it just one year later, he would have done that differently.

I think the 1964 studio recording is perfect as-is.

The *only* thing that bugs me just a tiny bit about that part (on the studio recording) is that a couple of those chords in that bridge are strummed *very* slightly out of sync/late in a spot or two. But it's super minor and just makes it more human.

The fact that that it's apparently very likely (although I think not 100% confirmed?) that it's David Marks playing that part on the recording - Brian giving him a brief, but poignant spotlight some time after he'd already left the band - just makes it that much sweeter and emotionally satisfying to my ears.

But emotions/sentimentality aside - musically, I think that part works perfectly. I've always felt so, even way back when I was more of a casual fan of the band, and not dissecting the songs the way I do now.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Fun, Fun, Fun reference in 1966 Bewitched episode? on: March 16, 2017, 09:42:37 PM
I just happened to be watching an episode of Bewitched (entitled "Divided He Falls"), when to my surprise I noticed a line of dialogue that Darren says is "Fun, Fun, Fun". Check it out at 14:02:

https://youtu.be/g3CvHA98kJA

Was Fun x3 an actual term/expression before The BBs' song?  I suppose it could just be a coincidence, but I feel like perhaps the terminology had weaved its way into pop culture - and thus this script - a mere two years later due to the song.

What does everyone else think?

Also at about 17:45  in the same episode, you can hear generic but vaguely BB- sounding background music at a party, just as Darren repeats the Fun x3 expression twice more in a row... and at 18:10, Samantha dismissively mutters Fun x3 yet once more Smiley
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why no new album in 1975? on: March 16, 2017, 12:24:05 PM
Interesting to note about "When Girls Get Together" is that they apparently considered it for "15 Big Ones" as well. That "Brother Proposed Bonus Tracks" compilation that surfaced several years ago listed a "15 Big Ones" mix of the song.

However much I find the song pretty dull and tedious, some guys in the band must have had a soft spot for the song.

The band made some seemingly screwy decisions for KTSA. They dug out "When Girls Get Together", and also gave consideration to "Can't Wait Too Long" as well as lazily licensing the then-17-year-old "The Lord's Prayer" for the album (can anyone imagine McCartney randomly putting the original Beatles recording of, say, "I'll Get You" on his 1980 album "McCartney II"?), all the while there were a bunch of serviceable outtakes from the sessions that would have sounded less out of place, like "Goin' to the Beach", "I'll Always Love You", "Da Doo Ron Ron", not to mention over an album's worth of unreleased stuff on "Adult Child", and so on.


It's all very strange indeed.

But if the stipulation was to specifically have songs written by both Brian + Mike, then it tends to make more sense. Because how many usable outtakes were there in the can that were written by those two?

WGGT is a total slog though.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bruce Johnston records \ on: March 16, 2017, 09:53:26 AM
Interesting how they rid the song of all the car references on the 2nd verse. This must have been during that period of time when car songs were considered so "uncool", even for Bruce.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bruce Johnston records \ on: March 16, 2017, 09:49:10 AM
With his remake of Pipeline, Here Comes The Night and now this, Bruce definitely earns the title of the worst arranger.

Give a listen to Don't Run Away and try saying Bruce is the "worst arranger" with a straight face. He's certainly had his share of missteps, but he's also done some KILLER and underrated work.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Bizarre Songs - Create an Album on: March 16, 2017, 09:48:04 AM
These remind me of those weird GH comps from the late 1960s.

Just make sure to add Frosty The Snowman in the tracklist, directly after some psychedelic Smiley Smile tracks for full effect. And for a modern twist, after Frosty, be sure to add Summer of Love.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's leadership of the band on: March 15, 2017, 10:43:27 AM

At least your signatures are legit, unlike those copies of "Made In USA" floating around with Dennis signatures.  LOL

This begs the off-topic question... what are the weirdest combinations of signatures on BB albums? In their lifetimes, did all members of The BBs sign at least one copy of every album? (Not that we can know for sure, but we can speculate). Has Dave ever been handed a copy of Keepin The Summer Alive to sign? Did Brian ever get handed a copy of Looking Back With Love to sign? (Brian did produce one track on it). How about Mike signing a copy of Pacific Ocean Blue for his lyrical contribution?
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