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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Recording of \ on: August 17, 2018, 01:54:15 PM
You'd think that being a fan of the BBs would bleed over into respecting Hanson more.... but that often isn't the case.... there are a lot of similarities.


Yep there are similarities, 3 brothers doing well crafted up lifting pop songs.
Released a cover of Little St Nick on their Christmas album , also regularly include God Only Knows in their set list
And if course Hanson rhymes with Manson.

 LOL
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Which BB lyrics sound like they were written by someone else? on: August 15, 2018, 05:08:16 PM
Just heard another one today with the lyrical phrase "outta sight" - as in "clean outta sight" - like after getting cleaned out with an enema - a word that is also used in this song - that's right, "H.E.L.P. Is On The Way".  Among the many other things we, as Beach Boys fans, can be proud of is that our favorite band is quite possibly the ONLY band (and certainly the only mainstream, commercially successful band) that has ever used THAT word in a song - and it gets played on the radio! (granted, on their own satellite radio station, but still)...I've heard it three times already on Channel 4!

Ha, this is amazing. I love trivia like that. I've had a similar thought about the song "Lightning Crashes" by the band Live... the song, which was a huge hit in the '90s, has the lyric "placenta" sung tenderly in a verse, and that HAS to be the only song by a major band (hit song no less) with that word sung.

Although *technically* the song "Batdance" by Prince has the word "enema" spoken at 4:54:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMk8UqL48Xw

(it's a clip from the film Batman (1989) of Jack Nicholson's dialog "this town needs an enema"... so The BBs still hold the enema record if we are talking about sung lyrics that were written for a song  LOL).

But yeah, the Boys had a HUGE thing for the term "outta sight", which I think is both rad and outta sight!
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 15, 2018, 12:43:45 PM
It could have been worse, they could have gotten an actual annoying personality. Reiner is likeable. At this event, he was essentially a more energetic, dynamic version of a Larry King type. But again, I think it's fair to call the thing what it is. They could have snagged a Howie Edelson, or Alan Boyd, or heck, even Jerry Schilling, to do the event, all additional people who have good relationships with all factions, and who would also understand how to strike a balance between softball, obvious questions (e.g. "did you guys surf?", "why has your music endured all these years?") and something a bit more substantive without going into "Drip Drop/Lazy Lizzie/That Special Feeling" deep cut territory.

I think the Reiner selection was emblematic of the SiriusXM channel in general. That is, it's a nice project that has gone over well enough and certainly hasn't hurt anything, but which hasn't really lived up to its full potential.


I wonder if they considered Stamos?
You know, as dumb as this sounds, he might be the perfect person to get the guys together for a good, more in depth interview. As much as we like to drag him with the whole Uncle Jessie/Full House cheesefest, you have to admit that the guy is truly a big fan of the group and could probably get them to talk more about the "deep cuts", and maybe the workings of specific songs, etc.

As apparently nice guy-ish and actual BBs superfan-ish as Stamos may be, he is undoubtedly too deeply associated by many*just* with the Mike Love-led mostly-nadir era of the band, for it to not have been seen as a political move to have had Stamos host.  
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Which BB lyrics sound like they were written by someone else? on: August 14, 2018, 06:12:54 PM
OK - not actually used in a song, but - Brian is heard exclaiming "Outta sight!" at the end of the lead vocal session for "Guess I'm Dumb" (it's also heard faintly on the fade out of the record itself) - so, Brian was using the term as early as early '65!  Smiley

Love it Smiley
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How much acutal tape splicing did Brian do himself? on: August 14, 2018, 11:04:12 AM
Thanks very much for the replies, c-man, Stephen, and Mark.

Due to union rules and just general comfort and ease, is it safe to say that Brian always utilized a separate person as an engineer (other than himself) for every single studio recording he ever did, either recordings done at an outside professional studio or at Brian's own home studio (aside from possible home "bedroom" recordings that he might have done with a handheld tape recorder)?

Amazing what a different world it was then when compared to today.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / How much acutal tape splicing did Brian do himself? on: August 13, 2018, 03:11:03 PM
Was splicing tape something that was rarely actually done by Brian himself (and just done by the engineer), or was Brian sometimes doing a bunch of the actual tape splicing and knob twiddling in the studio? I know there are posed photos of Brian by the mixing board (around '66 and '76), but not sure how indicative those pics are of actual hands-on activity he may or may not have done, such as splicing, hitting rewind, record, etc.

And curious to know what the timeline would be when he might have last done stuff like that (has Brian even recorded analog since BW88?)
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Just discovered the Carl-sung Christopher Cross tune \ on: August 13, 2018, 03:07:14 PM
I bought that LP at its release date. The Carl track was a nice surprise ... : - )

Cool Smiley Back then, did you realize it was Carl just from hearing his voice, or did you discover it via reading liner notes? Pre-internet, it was fun discovering stuff like that sometimes without any hint that there'd be a surprise waiting for the listener inside the LP.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 11, 2018, 07:27:57 PM

girl from New York City (which sounds proto-wild honey to these ears) were revelations.


Now that is an interesting observation. I had never thought of it before, but I totally concur.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 10, 2018, 03:08:18 PM
Just caught around the second half of the Q&A. About what I expected. Nice to hear them together, but mostly the same questions they've been asked a thousand times.

Is there any band who've been asked the same questions as many times as these guys (with the same stock answers as replies)? I guess there are hardly any bands who've been around this long, but still...
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys as game show celebrity panelists on: August 10, 2018, 12:55:07 PM
In the early 80s, probably circa 1981 or 82 (possibly during Carl's absence), Mike, Bruce, and Al were all in one square on "Hollywood Squares." There used to be a clip on YouTube I think, but I can't find any video or pics online at the moment. I recall it being awkward having all three of them crammed into one square (to say nothing of how *awful* that show always was).

It was '79.

Ah, makes sense. I figured it had to be late '78 at the earliest given that Bruce was there. And again, as I mentioned in a subsequent post, the show ended in 1981 (for that particular run), so there was a pretty narrow window for when it could have occurred given their look (Mike and Al bearded, etc.).

Now I'm trying to remember whether this was ever up on YouTube, or if I'm just remembering having this buried away somewhere on a VHS. My recollection is that whatever I've seen, it was just one or a few BB segments and not even the entire episode.


I have it on VHS somewhere. I got it as part of a collection of miscellaneous BBs videos in the early '80s, but I'd known about it since shortly after it aired, thanks to the ASM fanzine. They answered two questions...incorrectly, IIRC. I know one of them was age-related (something like "If a person is considered 'old' at 65, at what point are they considered 'really old', to which Mike replied "'72?'"...it wasn't exactly that, but close).

This clip perfectly illustrates why the show was so dumb, the premise dumb, and why the show's format was extra non-conducive to having people on who weren't used to doing comedy bits and/or gameshow bits and thinking on their feet:

https://youtu.be/u4VFmAiEokQ?t=28s

I wonder if any of the Boys would've done well in a time-pressured type of clock countdown environment, like say as a celeb guest on the $25,000 Pyramid. They should've done that show, especially seeing as they namechecked Dick Clark in a song lyric. Mike was the self-professed "wordsmith", would this skillset have aided him on any game show?
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 10, 2018, 12:52:51 PM



I'm missing a few that I may or may not have caps of, for instance the first volume of "Sunshine Tomorrow", and the "Live in London" album.

Crazy that they've been playing rare stuff like Chasin' the Sky.

Has anything rare like that (especially needledrops) which they've played on the channel been some sort of sonic "upgrade" in terms of sounding better than any circulating versions?
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys as game show celebrity panelists on: August 09, 2018, 04:37:35 PM
In the early 80s, probably circa 1981 or 82 (possibly during Carl's absence), Mike, Bruce, and Al were all in one square on "Hollywood Squares." There used to be a clip on YouTube I think, but I can't find any video or pics online at the moment. I recall it being awkward having all three of them crammed into one square (to say nothing of how *awful* that show always was).

It was '79.

Ah, makes sense. I figured it had to be late '78 at the earliest given that Bruce was there. And again, as I mentioned in a subsequent post, the show ended in 1981 (for that particular run), so there was a pretty narrow window for when it could have occurred given their look (Mike and Al bearded, etc.).

Now I'm trying to remember whether this was ever up on YouTube, or if I'm just remembering having this buried away somewhere on a VHS. My recollection is that whatever I've seen, it was just one or a few BB segments and not even the entire episode.


I have it on VHS somewhere. I got it as part of a collection of miscellaneous BBs videos in the early '80s, but I'd known about it since shortly after it aired, thanks to the ASM fanzine. They answered two questions...incorrectly, IIRC. I know one of them was age-related (something like "If a person is considered 'old' at 65, at what point are they considered 'really old', to which Mike replied "'72?'"...it wasn't exactly that, but close).

So cool. Hope it can be transferred sometime!

I wonder if the Bruce Johnston Dating Game clip still exists anywhere. I know game shows were routinely taped over back then by the networks to save tape costs.  But sometimes stuff like that turns up at The Museum of TV & Radio (a.k.a. Paley Center for Media), so who knows...
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Just discovered the Carl-sung Christopher Cross tune "Baby Says No" on: August 09, 2018, 03:55:49 PM
Man, just when I thought I'd heard just about all the really good Beach Boys-related music out there, I come across this gem.

Not only does Christopher Cross totally nail a killer Carl-like lead vocal on this 1983 tune, but Carl himself also sings backing vocals all over it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB2lcBETro8

Does anyone have any interesting Carl-related trivia about this tune to share?
Anyone who's a fan of Carl's singing (I'd assume that'd be everyone on this board) should do themselves a favor and give this a listen.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys as game show celebrity panelists on: August 09, 2018, 02:45:11 PM
I try to imagine them on Wheel of Fortune. The hosts probably would go crazy. Mike instead of answering would constantly explaining how he came up with certain words with Bruce applauding wildly, Brian would always yell answers during someone else's term,  Dennis would hit on the girl that turns the letters around and Al would just be waiting on a bu.... I mean waiting 'til he is allowed to turn the wheel, while Carl would stand besides just rolling his eyes. Complete chaos. Special appearance by Murry running around the audience showing each member his glass eye.

 LOL
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 08, 2018, 04:16:51 PM

I went back in this thread to try and figure out what the hell you are talking about and how I was 'trolling' you?
You mentioned some polite conversation, I had no recollection of. I see you asked me a bunch of questions about what if Brian had brought shirts for everybody? Shortly thereafter, David Marks commented publicly on the matter, and I felt it was no longer a pertinent discussion. Trolling....hmmm. Not up on my definition but wouldn't it be more a case of you trolling me?

I just tend to lump in your action of ignoring my question that was specifically directed at you (it was directed at you since it was in direct response to previous posts you made, in the middle of a conversation we were all having) with the general term "trolling"; maybe the terms are not exactly synonymous, but they are like first cousins.

I'm not trolling you - I'll happily have a polite convo on things about which we disagree, but I won't just suddenly start ducking questions or cursing. I suppose I'll just not hold my breath for an answer.

In any case, while I'm glad that David pointed out "no deeper meaning" in the 3 of those guys wearing the shirts - and I don't doubt in the slightest that David made a truthful statement - I'm commenting on the hypocrisy of Mike's actions, something that is completely separate.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 08, 2018, 03:05:48 PM
What if Brian had showed up with five “Love & Mercy” shirts? Would Mike have worn that? And if he hadn’t, would it have been out of line to say group politics could have at least tangentially been involved? I don’t think so.

Sorry to single out this one point, but I've seen this analogy numerous times now and I think it's off-base. This was a Beach Boys reunion. What's the main characteristic of Mike's signature shirt? Yep, the blue and white stripes. Compare that to a "Love & Mercy" shirt or any other Brian solo shirt that has nothing to do with the Beach Boys. I agree that Dave's comments and Mary Ann Jardine's comments don't silence all such commentary (e.g. the mismatched appearance), but Mike's shirts aren't all that out of place at a Beach Boys reunion. Certainly not to the same extent a "Love & Mercy" shirt would be. It's not like Mike brought in "Unleash The Love" shirts for everyone to wear at a Beach Boys reunion. My thoughts on the entire shirt fiasco is, yes, it's the first thing I noticed when I looked at the group photo. It certainly deserved a mention and a discussion. Still, I consider it a footnote. That seems to be the perspective of those involved (that we've heard from).

It may not be a shirt with "Love and Mercy" written in giant letters, but it's still very much a "Mike Love" shirt being that his face (and only his face) is stitched into the shirt. In particular: being as it has certainly been a undeniably "touchy" aspect throughout recent years with regards to who is in the "BBs" band... these shirts are basically the statement MIKE LOVE IS THE BEACH BOYS in shirt form (what "band" t-shirts only have 1 member on them??)... and especially after Brian and Al felt pushed out of the band not so very long ago, it just feels tacky for the guy who pushed them out of the band (or if people want to get technical, the guy who made them feel like they were pushed out of the band) to bring those recently pushed-out guys shirts as gifts to wear at a reunion activity.

I'm glad David and Mary Ann are seeing things in a nice light, and I applaud them for just trying to make peace and at least publicly try to smooth things out. Truthfully, and I mean this very sincerely, I'm not trying to sh*t on their thoughts, nor the reunion, just by having my own opinion. I'm glad they don't see any deeper meaning. It doesn't mean that in the light of the history of the band, that the appearance (as HeyJude pointed out) isn't nevertheless just a bit off-putting for many fans (and publications) in light of the highly negative and egregiously inflammatory things that Mike has said about any number of Brian projects that "excluded" Mike.

Does a Beach Boys shirt with only Mike's face on it not somehow exclude Brian too? This may sound like a funny conversation, and it sort of is of course... but still, how is that comparison off-base? There's some truth in it.  If Mike didn't repeatedly say such negative stuff about "Brian content" countless times, this conversation would probably not exist. This is a shirt by the guy who made the biggest friggin' deal in the world in interviews, over and over and over and over again, about how it was SUCH a terrible and insulting thing for him (Mike) to not be completely included in aspects of the band in a manner that he (Mike) saw fit during the last reunion. So yeah, Mike wants everyone to cry a river that he did was not properly included as he should have been, and that TWGMTR was too Brian-centric (leaving out Mike), but then it's fine for Mike to expect Brian to wear a Mike shirt that takes the iconic brand fashion imagery and puts only Mike's face on it.

I think some people are simply bugged at Mike's inconsistency of what he has historically, repeatedly gotten publicly outraged at, when they see his actions. There's really nothing much more to it than that.

There's noooo doubt in my mind that if Brian had done the same thing (let's say Brian had a line of Brian Wilson striped shirts with only Brian's face taken from a 1960s Beach Boys photo, and asked Mike to wear it), that Mike would've have found a way (either right then and there, or years down the line) to make a big public hissy fit about being slighted, and to complain about Brian (or Melinda) having the chutzpah to expect Mike wear a Brian Wilson solo shirt to a Beach Boys reunion.

Honestly, anyone defending Mike in this discussion, please refute this. I'll expect crickets, just as JuiceBronston ducked out of my prior line of questioning.

Side note: if Reiner was “pro” matching shirts, that would surely mean Reiner wanted everyone to have matching shirts (or no one); I'm sure that if the "idea" of the band wearing matching shirts was mentioned to Reiner, that it would seem like a potentially nice idea on the surface, but no way in hell Reiner was somehow pushing for the idea of some members wearing matching shirts and some not.  Nobody in their right mind would think that was an ideal situation.

Also - none of this means that more great reunion activities are "tarnished", and I wish the band collective good vibrations from here on out.

With all this talk about trolling, it's hard for me to see posters who duck out of a back-and-forth conversation (the minute they can't refute an inconvenient truth) as anything but trolling, whether it's intended to be trolling or not. Even if trying very hard to not see this as trolling, it's just plain rude at best. I predicted crickets, and I was correct.

Trolling?

The main point of my post (Reply #383) is that the analogy is weak. I suppose I could have clarified that it's not entirely off-base, but it's weak enough (as I illustrated in my post) that it undermines otherwise balanced arguments. That still stands. That doesn't mean that I don't ultimately agree with the point HeyJude was making. Furthermore, I happen to agree with just about everything else HeyJude said in the post I responded to and his response to me. As I said, I have seen that analogy a few times now and I just wanted to comment on it. I don't find it persuasive. I acknowledge all the points you made, they've already been made. I wasn't commenting on them. What inconvenient truth can't I refute? I honestly wasn't even sure you were addressing me when you called out Mike defenders.


Sorry, it wasn't intended towards you. That was actually directed to JuiceBrohnston, with whom I was having a polite convo with in this thread, until my questions I asked of him began to get no response. And it's kind of annoying because it seems this stonewalling happened just as I made a point that IMO would be difficult to refute. My point that I was making was that if the shoe was on the other foot (if Brian was the one who had a line of shirts, and Brian brought in a Brian-branded line of striped Beach Boys-style shirts, with Brian's (and only Brian's) face from a 1960s promo Beach Boys photo stitched into the shirt sleeve... I think it is a bit absurd to think of Mike happily going along with wearing said hypothetical shirt. I think Mike would find a way to get upset about it then and there, or at some future point he'd complain about it, and use it as a way to show how disrespected he has been treated).

And generally, I don't understand how any educated fan with knowledge of the band, and awareness of Mike's repeated actions, such as Mike's history of publicly berating Brian's solo products in various interviews, and Mike's 2005 ugly lawsuit against Brian (complete with fake "witnesses" who were in cahoots with Mike's lawyers) making a giant hissy fit over band/brand name technicalities on a promo CD, can think it is a move that is without chutzpah for Mike to have brought Mike-branded BBs shirts for Brian to wear to a Beach Boys reunion.  I legit am trying to understand it.

I'm not a hater, I don't think Mike is a talentless hack. I am simply bugged by his inconsistent actions.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys as game show celebrity panelists on: August 08, 2018, 02:07:39 PM
Family Feud. Bw touring band vs M&B touring band.

Make it happen!

YES! 
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 08, 2018, 11:31:04 AM
As someone who saw the tour in May and I then again in late June I can tell you the tour picked up steam as it went . May was good but late June they were on fire . I think it is very plausible Brian changed his mind between June 1 and June 20 based on how the tour was going. It’s amazing that there couldn’t have been a follow up discussion. They saw each other every day , Mike couldn’t have asked Brian?!?!


Thing is, if Mike had a bug up his butt about losing control and not being "the star" to a degree of his liking... then the bigger the C50 tour got, and the better they sounded would only become more of a threat to him, if it could potentially endanger his ability to go back to M&B, should the public get too accustomed to C50 being what should be expected at a BBs show.

I feel like Mike wanted C50 to fail once he realized the parameters weren't to his liking, and once he felt those parameters  weren't gonna change.


That is it in a nut shell. The “email” is a red herring. And did anyone *cough*Andrew*cough* ever explain why “Wilsons” was plural? Perhaps Al was considered a Wilson, or maybe the holograms demanded a pay hike?



Now that I think about it... the whole "no more shows for Wilson" email being used repeatedly by Mike as the reason C50 ended seems quite a bit like how Murry fired David Marks. David, presumably in a moment of passion, let out the words "I quit!"... and Murry - who'd been salivating for such a moment - went "a ha!" and never would let David back down from that, with Murry then trying to paint the narrative in a way that David was a quitter who'd made a singular decision from which there could be no wiggle room for further discussion, and that everything from that point on (and retroactively) was to be blamed on David being a "quitter".

It just seems like Mike was extraordinarily happy to receive that email (or to become aware of its existence months later, as I seem to recall people surmising might have been the case) since it could help legitimize what he wanted to do anyway, that being ditch 3/5 of the band so that he could regain total control. I just don't know why fans and Mike himself can't just own that. There's be a hell of a lot less bickering if this was just admitted to.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 08, 2018, 11:23:53 AM
As someone who saw the tour in May and I then again in late June I can tell you the tour picked up steam as it went . May was good but late June they were on fire . I think it is very plausible Brian changed his mind between June 1 and June 20 based on how the tour was going. It’s amazing that there couldn’t have been a follow up discussion. They saw each other every day , Mike couldn’t have asked Brian?!?!


Thing is, if Mike had a bug up his butt about losing control and not being "the star" to a degree of his liking... then the bigger the C50 tour got, and the better they sounded would only become more of a threat to him, if it could potentially endanger his ability to go back to M&B, should the public get too accustomed to C50 being what should be expected at a BBs show.

I feel like Mike wanted C50 to fail once he realized the parameters weren't to his liking, and once he felt those parameters  weren't gonna change.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 08, 2018, 10:59:26 AM
What if Brian had showed up with five “Love & Mercy” shirts? Would Mike have worn that? And if he hadn’t, would it have been out of line to say group politics could have at least tangentially been involved? I don’t think so.

Sorry to single out this one point, but I've seen this analogy numerous times now and I think it's off-base. This was a Beach Boys reunion. What's the main characteristic of Mike's signature shirt? Yep, the blue and white stripes. Compare that to a "Love & Mercy" shirt or any other Brian solo shirt that has nothing to do with the Beach Boys. I agree that Dave's comments and Mary Ann Jardine's comments don't silence all such commentary (e.g. the mismatched appearance), but Mike's shirts aren't all that out of place at a Beach Boys reunion. Certainly not to the same extent a "Love & Mercy" shirt would be. It's not like Mike brought in "Unleash The Love" shirts for everyone to wear at a Beach Boys reunion. My thoughts on the entire shirt fiasco is, yes, it's the first thing I noticed when I looked at the group photo. It certainly deserved a mention and a discussion. Still, I consider it a footnote. That seems to be the perspective of those involved (that we've heard from).

It may not be a shirt with "Love and Mercy" written in giant letters, but it's still very much a "Mike Love" shirt being that his face (and only his face) is stitched into the shirt. In particular: being as it has certainly been a undeniably "touchy" aspect throughout recent years with regards to who is in the "BBs" band... these shirts are basically the statement MIKE LOVE IS THE BEACH BOYS in shirt form (what "band" t-shirts only have 1 member on them??)... and especially after Brian and Al felt pushed out of the band not so very long ago, it just feels tacky for the guy who pushed them out of the band (or if people want to get technical, the guy who made them feel like they were pushed out of the band) to bring those recently pushed-out guys shirts as gifts to wear at a reunion activity.

I'm glad David and Mary Ann are seeing things in a nice light, and I applaud them for just trying to make peace and at least publicly try to smooth things out. Truthfully, and I mean this very sincerely, I'm not trying to sh*t on their thoughts, nor the reunion, just by having my own opinion. I'm glad they don't see any deeper meaning. It doesn't mean that in the light of the history of the band, that the appearance (as HeyJude pointed out) isn't nevertheless just a bit off-putting for many fans (and publications) in light of the highly negative and egregiously inflammatory things that Mike has said about any number of Brian projects that "excluded" Mike.

Does a Beach Boys shirt with only Mike's face on it not somehow exclude Brian too? This may sound like a funny conversation, and it sort of is of course... but still, how is that comparison off-base? There's some truth in it.  If Mike didn't repeatedly say such negative stuff about "Brian content" countless times, this conversation would probably not exist. This is a shirt by the guy who made the biggest friggin' deal in the world in interviews, over and over and over and over again, about how it was SUCH a terrible and insulting thing for him (Mike) to not be completely included in aspects of the band in a manner that he (Mike) saw fit during the last reunion. So yeah, Mike wants everyone to cry a river that he did was not properly included as he should have been, and that TWGMTR was too Brian-centric (leaving out Mike), but then it's fine for Mike to expect Brian to wear a Mike shirt that takes the iconic brand fashion imagery and puts only Mike's face on it.

I think some people are simply bugged at Mike's inconsistency of what he has historically, repeatedly gotten publicly outraged at, when they see his actions. There's really nothing much more to it than that.

There's noooo doubt in my mind that if Brian had done the same thing (let's say Brian had a line of Brian Wilson striped shirts with only Brian's face taken from a 1960s Beach Boys photo, and asked Mike to wear it), that Mike would've have found a way (either right then and there, or years down the line) to make a big public hissy fit about being slighted, and to complain about Brian (or Melinda) having the chutzpah to expect Mike wear a Brian Wilson solo shirt to a Beach Boys reunion.

Honestly, anyone defending Mike in this discussion, please refute this. I'll expect crickets, just as JuiceBronston ducked out of my prior line of questioning.

Side note: if Reiner was “pro” matching shirts, that would surely mean Reiner wanted everyone to have matching shirts (or no one); I'm sure that if the "idea" of the band wearing matching shirts was mentioned to Reiner, that it would seem like a potentially nice idea on the surface, but no way in hell Reiner was somehow pushing for the idea of some members wearing matching shirts and some not.  Nobody in their right mind would think that was an ideal situation.

Also - none of this means that more great reunion activities are "tarnished", and I wish the band collective good vibrations from here on out.

With all this talk about trolling, it's hard for me to see posters who duck out of a back-and-forth conversation (the minute they can't refute an inconvenient truth) as anything but trolling, whether it's intended to be trolling or not. Even if trying very hard to not see this as trolling, it's just plain rude at best. I predicted crickets, and I was correct.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 08, 2018, 10:53:27 AM
I didn't remember Mike's tour schedule was that light right after C50; that's quite interesting.

This is just my total guess/gut feeling, but it kind of smells like Mike just started booking a hand full of shows to essentially create a plausible reason to say he couldn't do more reunion shows (See? I already have my own shows booked!), and also to start getting his foot back in the door and re-establish his band as the going "Beach Boys" touring concern.

Yes, this makes so much sense. It explains those oddball bookings in Summer/Fall 2012, and it just seems like what he would logically do.


There's no doubt in my mind of this being true. Kind of reminds me of when watching a true crime show... somebody commits a crime, but they go out of their way to try and create and alibi stating they were present elsewhere that night, to diffuse anyone from thinking they could have had motive and opportunity to commit said crime.

It feels like Mike just throws any excuse to the wall to see what will "stick" for his not wanting to continue with C50. Why is it soooo hard for people to just agree that his actions seem to reflect him having giant ego, and that he ended the reunion because he couldn't stand losing control, after having gotten accustomed to full control as M&B? Admitting that this is the truth is not saying he is an evil, horrible person; on the contrary, it's just being realistic about the situation.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys as game show celebrity panelists on: August 06, 2018, 11:54:25 AM
In the early 80s, probably circa 1981 or 82 (possibly during Carl's absence), Mike, Bruce, and Al were all in one square on "Hollywood Squares." There used to be a clip on YouTube I think, but I can't find any video or pics online at the moment. I recall it being awkward having all three of them crammed into one square (to say nothing of how *awful* that show always was).

I had absolutely no idea. Wow.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys as game show celebrity panelists on: August 06, 2018, 10:50:26 AM
Bruce was on The Dating Game in the late '60s.

Really?!
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The Beach Boys as game show celebrity panelists on: August 06, 2018, 10:37:41 AM
Kind of surprised that nobody in this band (unless I'm mistaken?) ever appeared as a celebrity guest/panelist on a TV game show.

Some BBs-related folk, like Little Richard, appeared on game shows such as Family Feud (Grammy All-Stars edition):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPJxezA1gHw

This got me thinking about which BBs member(s) would do well as a game show panelist, and on what show(s)?

I really, realllly wish The Boys had appeared on Family Feud. A Wilsons vs. Loves edition.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 06, 2018, 10:02:39 AM
What if Brian had showed up with five “Love & Mercy” shirts? Would Mike have worn that? And if he hadn’t, would it have been out of line to say group politics could have at least tangentially been involved? I don’t think so.

Sorry to single out this one point, but I've seen this analogy numerous times now and I think it's off-base. This was a Beach Boys reunion. What's the main characteristic of Mike's signature shirt? Yep, the blue and white stripes. Compare that to a "Love & Mercy" shirt or any other Brian solo shirt that has nothing to do with the Beach Boys. I agree that Dave's comments and Mary Ann Jardine's comments don't silence all such commentary (e.g. the mismatched appearance), but Mike's shirts aren't all that out of place at a Beach Boys reunion. Certainly not to the same extent a "Love & Mercy" shirt would be. It's not like Mike brought in "Unleash The Love" shirts for everyone to wear at a Beach Boys reunion. My thoughts on the entire shirt fiasco is, yes, it's the first thing I noticed when I looked at the group photo. It certainly deserved a mention and a discussion. Still, I consider it a footnote. That seems to be the perspective of those involved (that we've heard from).

It may not be a shirt with "Love and Mercy" written in giant letters, but it's still very much a "Mike Love" shirt being that his face (and only his face) is stitched into the shirt. In particular: being as it has certainly been a undeniably "touchy" aspect throughout recent years with regards to who is in the "BBs" band... these shirts are basically the statement MIKE LOVE IS THE BEACH BOYS in shirt form (what "band" t-shirts only have 1 member on them??)... and especially after Brian and Al felt pushed out of the band not so very long ago, it just feels tacky for the guy who pushed them out of the band (or if people want to get technical, the guy who made them feel like they were pushed out of the band) to bring those recently pushed-out guys shirts as gifts to wear at a reunion activity.

I'm glad David and Mary Ann are seeing things in a nice light, and I applaud them for just trying to make peace and at least publicly try to smooth things out. Truthfully, and I mean this very sincerely, I'm not trying to sh*t on their thoughts, nor the reunion, just by having my own opinion. I'm glad they don't see any deeper meaning. It doesn't mean that in the light of the history of the band, that the appearance (as HeyJude pointed out) isn't nevertheless just a bit off-putting for many fans (and publications) in light of the highly negative and egregiously inflammatory things that Mike has said about any number of Brian projects that "excluded" Mike.

Does a Beach Boys shirt with only Mike's face on it not somehow exclude Brian too? This may sound like a funny conversation, and it sort of is of course... but still, how is that comparison off-base? There's some truth in it.  If Mike didn't repeatedly say such negative stuff about "Brian content" countless times, this conversation would probably not exist. This is a shirt by the guy who made the biggest friggin' deal in the world in interviews, over and over and over and over again, about how it was SUCH a terrible and insulting thing for him (Mike) to not be completely included in aspects of the band in a manner that he (Mike) saw fit during the last reunion. So yeah, Mike wants everyone to cry a river that he did was not properly included as he should have been, and that TWGMTR was too Brian-centric (leaving out Mike), but then it's fine for Mike to expect Brian to wear a Mike shirt that takes the iconic brand fashion imagery and puts only Mike's face on it.

I think some people are simply bugged at Mike's inconsistency of what he has historically, repeatedly gotten publicly outraged at, when they see his actions. There's really nothing much more to it than that.

There's noooo doubt in my mind that if Brian had done the same thing (let's say Brian had a line of Brian Wilson striped shirts with only Brian's face taken from a 1960s Beach Boys photo, and asked Mike to wear it), that Mike would've have found a way (either right then and there, or years down the line) to make a big public hissy fit about being slighted, and to complain about Brian (or Melinda) having the chutzpah to expect Mike wear a Brian Wilson solo shirt to a Beach Boys reunion.

Honestly, anyone defending Mike in this discussion, please refute this. I'll expect crickets, just as JuiceBronston ducked out of my prior line of questioning.

Side note: if Reiner was “pro” matching shirts, that would surely mean Reiner wanted everyone to have matching shirts (or no one); I'm sure that if the "idea" of the band wearing matching shirts was mentioned to Reiner, that it would seem like a potentially nice idea on the surface, but no way in hell Reiner was somehow pushing for the idea of some members wearing matching shirts and some not.  Nobody in their right mind would think that was an ideal situation.

Also - none of this means that more great reunion activities are "tarnished", and I wish the band collective good vibrations from here on out.
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