They did move to the corner of Mt. Vernon and Fairway at 3600 Fairway in View-Park-Windsor Hills, as early as 1952. By 1962 they're on 10212 6th Ave in Inglewood.

Regarding the formation of the band, early demo recordings, the Wilson's Mexico trip etc., I see on wikipedia and in James B. Murphy's book Becoming the Beach Boys 1961-1963, that it appears there's little definitive proof for the exact dates things happened? That was published in 2015. Is this still the case?

About the Mexico trip, it says "Everything about this trip is controversial - when they went, where they went, how long they stayed..." They went with a British couple, "Barry Haven...and his wife", he a sales rep for Murry's lathe manufacturer. When the two couples came back to the Wilson's house was the moment they supposedly found the boys had blown the grocery money on equipment, heard the new songs, etc.

Forgive me if this is already known and been seen since the book was published, but when I took a look to see if I could find a mention of Murry being a painter, I found California Arriving Passenger cards for Murry, Audree, and a British couple, Tom Barry and Nellie (I think) Barry (her last name is corrected to Berry) all coming back to LAX from Mexico City on Wednesday, November 8, 1961 on CMA 900. (CMA I suppose being Compañía Mexicana de Aviación). According to James Murphy's book, the lathe manufacturer was Binns & Berry Ltd. Same last name as Tom Berry, so related/partner? Also, this couple list the US address they're staying at as 1301 W 119th Hawthorne. Same street, different house number (incorrectly given, or staying with others? would have to be another house since the Wilson's was pretty small and crowded, no?). I looked into Tom Berry some more, since his birthdate and location are given on the card, and I found him in 1959 on another Passenger Card, out of New York, and he gave his US address as Able Machinery Co Los Angeles.

If this is new info, I'll keep digging around.     

Yes, you're right. I believe Earl is Audree's uncle - her mother Ruth's older brother.

[The Wilson family at 3701 W 119th in Hawthorne. Brian, Dennis and Carl ages 7, 5 and 3. Murry's a painter? Carl is on sample line 17 for additional questions, but since he's 3, there's not much to answer!]

The 1950 US Census was just released, the first the boys appear on. It's mostly not been indexed, so isn't searchable, but you can view the images by location/district.

The Wilson family at 3701 W 119th in Hawthorne. Brian, Dennis and Carl ages 7, 5 and 3. Murry's a painter? Carl is on sample line 17 for additional questions, but since he's 3, there's not much to answer!

https://1950census.archives.gov/iiif/2/1950census%2F43290879-California%2F43290879-California-152919%2F43290879-California-152919-0052.jpg/full/4274,/0/default.jpg?download=true

The Love family at 5120 Valley Ridge, just south of Mt. Vernon and Fairway. Mike's on sample line 19, in the 4th grade.

https://1950census.archives.gov/iiif/2/1950census%2F43290879-California%2F43290879-California-200371%2F43290879-California-200371-0029.jpg/full/4338,/0/default.jpg?download=true

The Jardine family at 356 Sunset St. in Rochester, NY, just before moving onto Parkview Terrace off Lake Ontario. Al's mom Virginia is on sample line 4.

https://1950census.archives.gov/iiif/2/1950census%2F43290879-New_York%2F43290879-New_York-190983%2F43290879-New_York-190983-0004.jpg/full/4194,/0/default.jpg?download=true

The Marks family at 504 Martin St. New Castle, Lawrence, PA.

https://1950census.archives.gov/iiif/2/1950census%2F43290879-Pennsylvania%2F43290879-Pennsylvania-008603%2F43290879-Pennsylvania-008603-0017.jpg/full/3828,/0/default.jpg?download=true

The Johnston family at 2327 La Mesa in Santa Monica, before moving to Linda Flora Dr in Bel-Air. Incidentally, and although I'm sure there's many more, when I was first perusing the census images for Linda Flora and the surrounding streets, I glanced Alfred Hitchcock, Ray Milland, Red Skelton, Howard Hawks, Arthur Freed and Delmar Daves, among others. Quite the neighborhood.

https://1950census.archives.gov/iiif/2/1950census%2F43290879-California%2F43290879-California-213417%2F43290879-California-213417-0004.jpg/full/4226,/0/default.jpg?download=true

  

Great couple of days celebrating the news. Love the artwork. Better than I could have imagined. Preordered the 5CD set and the Color 4LP set from the BB store. Guess they decided against the Fred Vail track "All for the Love of a Girl"? Hope that (or any other tracks from that album) eventually get some sort of release.

Mike & ESQ interview, acknowledges Feel Flows set is coming out soon.

https://www.insiteatlanta.com/california-music?fbclid=IwAR2U_3cVZFN1BSZUe68d94VGTAgluKoKQyaHkrEkyE-faYMzkDWXf-MEJTQ

Reading this thread is apparently heavy-lifting for a lot of people.  

I don't think anyone beyond the 10 relentlessly active posters on this forum have actually read through this entire thread, where the average post length is about 3 to 6 paragraphs of "Here's my 2 cents on why Mike Love is an asshole..." It would be nice if we had had a sticky or something that collected all the hard information we have, but such helpful and constructive ideas have never been this board's forte.

Have to mention: thanks to CorkOntheOcean for assembling all the posts up to early September

Thanks terrei. I've edited it slightly to bring it up to date.

I politely advocate for the release on a daily basis on just about every social media post they put up, but if their reasons are unguessable and seemingly unrelated to the set, I don't know what good any of it will do. If it really is more or less unrelated, but a serious situation warranting attention, that doesn't seem to jibe with the own worst enemy, finding a way to f*** things up, whole circular firing squad doing their thing...again statement. That would imply historically nonsensical, petty squabbling.

You guys know what you know. I don't know what to think, but it's sad that they still can't get it together at nearly 80 years old and 60 as a group. I've only started diving deep and getting obsessed in 2013 after I bought MiC and I'm already beyond exasperated at them. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for those who have been fans for decades, or since the very beginning. In relation to...other places...talking about entitlement and such, I'd argue if the band didn't want us talking about it or championing it's release, they only have themselves to blame for repeatedly teasing it, it's contents, possible release timelines, mentioning it in their "Official Publication of Record". Seems they have a long and storied history of teasing their fans with releases that get hopelessly delayed or yanked out of existence.

At this point, I can't imagine they haven't noticed that no matter what they post to social media, the comments that tend to get the most replies and the most likes/loves, are those in reference to the Feel Flows set.

On Brian's FB post this morning of a picture of Smile tapes with the caption "SMiLE", Howie replied "FEEL FLOWS".

Never heard of this publication, but at least it's something. Summarizes the info collected here. It popped up as the top result of a Google News search for "Beach Boys Feel Flows". Also, when beginning to type "Beach Boys Fe" into the regular Google search, the top autofill it comes up with is "beach boys feel flows box set". More people beyond just the board must be wondering about it.

https://www.thesuburban.com/arts_and_entertainment/joel-goldenberg-free-feel-flows/article_ee41e743-0091-53a3-8b28-2221dff42b8c.html

Idk. Without a direct statement I wouldn't bet the farm on it, but "definitely not all of them", "circular firing squad", "one or two" and "in big flashing letters" - I'm guessing when the man said he consulted with "brains" (anagram Brian) and "heart" (heart = Love), those are the two. But yeah, if it takes two to tank it and Brian and his team are the other no, I couldn't even begin to fathom the reasons.

With everything that's been said (or not said in this case), I have to think Love saying no to the box is a given. But if there really are only four votes, and it really is majority rule, then as Yoda says, "there is another".

If Brian and Al's anniversary social activity were an indicator (not to mention the latter's tease), it'd seem they'd want it out, which only leaves Carl's estate. What in the world would be their objection?

But then go back to "circular firing squad" and "one or two". If there are only three living, voting members, Carl's estate in a "firing squad" makes no sense, which leaves Mike vs Brian and/or Al. If majority rules, then Brian and Al could simply ignore him, no? Logically then, at least one of those two are voting no as well, which also doesn't make a lot of sense.

There's just not enough information to confidently pinpoint which other party or parties are involved and the precise issues with it, but with all we've been given, I can't imagine the reasons not being spectacularly stupid and petty.

Thanks B.E, rab2591, SMiLE Brian, and CenturyDeprived.

I just caught one of the bits in that voluminous run-through above of many of the public comments about the set, and I can say that the "Bruce Kelso" and "Phil Cohen" posts at "superdeluxeedition" are not accurate in any way as far as I've been made aware.

Right. Since it was being heavily discussed at the time, I included it for reference, and as an example of something asked and answered, as Stebbins' August 22nd reply did.

As for the unanimous vote thing, I've seen it discussed in a few places, and implied everywhere, since many posts are pondering why one certain member would want to halt it. But if it is in fact majority, then thinking it through logically (even if logic doesn't apply to the complicated relationships as band members and as individuals), then I'd say the two least likely veto votes would be Al, who teased it and had apparently been listening to it on tour before the shutdown, and Brian who "went hardcore on the '69-'71 era" for the liners. The two vetoes leave the obvious Mike, with the history of holdups, memory-holing the era on American Family, who has been silent since the 4th of July and who sidestepped the vault question, and then Carl's estate.

I don't have the time to dig at the moment, but I recall discussions about Carl's estate voting with Mike before on things? Other than voting with him, I don't know what issues there'd be. Was it Carl and Dennis that bickered on the track list for Surf's Up, and Carl axed a bunch of Dennis' songs, or I am misremembering or simplifying it?

[November 17, 2019 on the Steve Hoffman Forums, the post that started this thread, user tingly said:]

With more people learning about the set and wondering if it's this or that holding it up, or that there has never been an announcement, so maybe it doesn't exist/is still being worked on, etc, and since the thread is almost a year old and 53 pages, I thought a gathering up of the statements (some secondhand) from those close to the project/in the know, and from others on various forums, was in order. Message me if I miss/mess anything up and I'll edit.



November 17, 2019 on the Steve Hoffman Forums, the post that started this thread, user tingly said:

"Al Jardine said today that there is a great box set that they're working on. Its working title is Feel Flows. Contents are Sunflower, Surfs Up, and an unreleased live recording of which he has no memory doing. He didn't say what concert, physical/download, if it's certain for release, possible release date, whether remastered, if there are outtakes,..."

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-beach-boys-sunflower-50th.874231/page-7#post-22567080



December 4, 2019 Fred Vail @ RCA Studio B on YouTube channel Big Hippo Music In Country Music We Trust, previewing "All For The Love Of A Girl" said:

"The Beach Boys, they're going to be doing an outtake album of songs they recorded in '69 and '70, next year for Capitol. It'll be the 50th anniversary of Sunflower, one of their big albums, and they decided that they might want to put a Fred Vail track on it, because it was recorded in April of 1970 when we were doing Sunflower, the Beach Boy album".

https://youtu.be/Ng3b4NbKvv8?t=140



December 9, 2019 (1) and later on July 29, 2020 (2) reddit. May have since been edited, (1) theclaptonfan, relaying info from (2) HellaciousMedic said:

(1) "They said they were getting Sunflower and Surf’s Up signed and Bruce mentioned new material from those albums will be coming out in February next year."

(2) "When I talked with Bruce at a VIP meet back in November he said it was gonna come out around February of this year, and when I got the chance to talk with him again on one of the Michale Graves VIP web conferences he said it is still coming out. It's good to know that it is all done and ready though even though it doesn't have a confirmed release date."

https://www.reddit.com/r/thebeachboys/comments/e8aogh/heres_what_we_know_about_the_sunflower_sessions/fad0388?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

https://www.reddit.com/r/thebeachboys/comments/i092yu/more_on_the_feel_flows_set/fzo35b8?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3



February 3, 2020 Safari Club kerfuffle. Brian and Al support boycott. BB play the show on February 6th, 2020 anyway.



February 21, 2020 reddit, roffels said:

"I met Bruce Johnston briefly before the Beach Boys recent Orlando show, he said expect a summer Sunflower release."

https://www.reddit.com/r/thebeachboys/comments/e8aogh/heres_what_we_know_about_the_sunflower_sessions/ficahmc?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3



February 22, 2020 EH Board, saltymarshmallow said:

"Amazed this hasn't gotten around yet, but about a month ago someone on the Discord server spoke to Garry Griffin and Clint Boire (Brian's sound guy) backstage and they said a 5 CD set featuring Sunflower material is coming later this year, probably in Summer. And apparently Al's been listening to stuff on the tour bus."

https://endlessharmony.boards.net/post/19712/thread



February 26, 2020 Mark Linett YouTube livestream @ Sunset Sound, channel Produce Like A Pro, sampling new mixes of San Miguel and Cottonfields, when asked when they were coming out said:

"I hope this fall. We're waiting on a release date. It's a large project, so it takes a bit of...bit of finesse to get it all done and approved, yeah. But we're still working on it."

https://youtu.be/prFdy74TyuA?t=13134



April 30, 2020 EH Board, jiggy22 said:

"Heard today from "a guy that knows a guy" that the set is currently stalling due to what was described as "internal conflicts"".

https://endlessharmony.boards.net/post/22381/thread



May 26, 2020 ESQ, the Beach Boys Publication of Record, releases the Sunflower 50th Issue. In its News and Notes:

"A five-disc Feel Flows boxed set, focusing on sessions from 1969 through 1971 is in the works"

https://esquarterly.com/esq-store/summer-2020-issue-130-sunflower-50th-anniversary-edition/



June 10 2020, ESQ on FB:

"Some BIG Beach Boys news coming soon!"

https://www.facebook.com/ESQEditor/posts/10158263240917487



June 16, 2020

I promise you -- you WILL NOT be disappointed.
It exceeds every expectation.

June 19, 2020

I gotta say re: Bruce. While doing the liners for the upcoming box set, we did a nearly three-hour interview. To ME -- he was the MVP. Amazing recall. Was able to put it in razor sharp perspective and proved that he's actually thought long and hard about this music. I wish we could use it all -- because he went far deeper than ever on this era, discussing at length what made this band tick during those years. He went full out. Pulled no punches.

Brian also went hardcore on the '69-'71 era in a way he hasn't anywhere else.
Depending on the day, the dude remembers -- him discussing the genesis "Marcella" was a pinch-me moment.

I CANNOT wait for you all to hear this thing. It kills me that you haven't already.

July 1, 2020 superdeluxeedition Phil Cohen says an issue that may delay many upcoming releases, including Feel Flows is:

"the fabricating and printing of the packaging elements that are typical of major label boxed sets...the closing of many mastering facilities, and the millions of unemployed consumers who won’t be able to afford the products."



July 13, 2020

Packaging delays are not what's holding this up.

July 27, 2020

FEEL FLOWS

Completed.
Liners.
Tracklisting.
Artwork.
Mixed.
Mastered.

Heaven on Earth.
I wish you all had it in your ears.
It was the greatest labor of love.
It's what the world needs now.

And y'know what???
With the Peter Jackson thing on ice for a year -- the BB's (finally) would get ALL the attention, ALL the dough, and ALL the love.

July 28 2020

I can PERSONALLY guarantee you that whatever "tease" ESQ was hawking has absolutely nothing to do with the project we've been working on for the past few years.  

This is an entirely different level/pay grade than that.

July 29 2020

I dropped by to help answer some of the questions re: the project, because there's some confusion as to whether it does exist, if it's coming out, etc.

It definitely DOES exist. It definitely IS completed. It definitely is named FEEL FLOWS.

Both Jardine and Johnston have spoken publicly about it.

Linett, Boyd, and I worked on it for 2 years.
Those two put the whole f ucking thing together.
Hours and hours and hours and hours.

As the official BRI consultant, I was asked my opinion throughout and consulted with brains and heart.
I got the box green-lit by the label.
I saved it from dying on the vine TWICE.

It's incredible.
It forever changes the way The Beach Boys will be viewed as musical entity at the turn of the decade.
It's THAT good. It's THAT important.

It is currently NOT scheduled for release.

July 29, 2020

I find it amazing reading through this thread that so many people have learned nothing about this band's fatal flaw...which historically is of course themselves. And definitely not all of them. Howie laid it all out for you in big flashing letters, but some people are still stumbling around, confused, wondering if it's Covid-19, or marketing, or the label that's holding this up. Jesus, c'mon people. Look at the f'n history of this band. Read Howie's posts because he knows everything. He can't name names because he's a professional with bridges intact and trying his best to keep them that way. This box could have been released months ago. It could have a solid release date right now. It's ready. We want it. The label wants it. But that can't happen because the circular firing squad is doing their thing ...again. It's often a one or two man circular firing squad BTW. People have written chapters in book's about it. Maybe this will get worked out, it doesn't look great right now. But if you wonder why? Look at the history of the band, the answer is obvious. Finding a way to f*** up a beautiful thing. It's in the DNA of the Beach Boys.

July 30, 2020 superdeluxedition Bruce Kelso says:

"ok phil and everyone. here is the lowdown on why its being delayed/ canceled. there seems to be issues of legality and the final song selection =.the reason being that there were so many different writers of songs at that time.sooo we well have to wait…… and wait …. and wait."

https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/get-in-touch/#comment-1630126



August 13, 2020 Mike Love on YouTube podcast Paltrocast with Darren Paltrowitz, in regards to previous archival releases and what's to come:

DP "is there lots and lots more in the vault that we can one day hope to hear?"

ML "Well, I don't know how much there is in the vault, but I'll tell you this, we're coming up on the 60th anniversary of the group in another year or so, and that warrants something special, that's for sure, and so, I've got some ideas on that, but little too early to talk about it, but I think there will be opportunities to come up with compilations and, as you say, archival, but also new renditions with other artists and stuff, of many of our songs, and that'll be a lot of fun to do, and I think, I'm looking forward to what the future may bring."

https://youtu.be/OWz7Stun-KI?t=532



August 16, 2020 Steve Hoffman Forums, user pool_of_tears, in reply to a post noting the delay has nothing to do with the content, said:

"Oh, I know I’ve heard the reason and my lips are sealed"

"I was told by someone who is truly "in the know", and I have to respect the source...as my mother used to say: mums the word. As it's been said here, the set is done. It's like having rounded third and heading for home...getting ready to sldie into the catcher's feet and knock him off balance, but instead getting caught in a pickle."

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-beach-boys-sunflower-50th.874231/page-34#post-24718885
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-beach-boys-sunflower-50th.874231/page-34#post-24720399



August 22, 2020

CD, all great points...especially about this being the first post Capitol years release.

It was shared on the EH forum that someone from supedeluxeedition wrote:

"ok phil and everyone. here is the lowdown on why its being delayed/ canceled. there seems to be issues of legality and the final song selection =.the reason being that there were so many different writers of songs at that time.sooo we well have to wait…… and wait …. and wait."

Though as was pointed out, the "final song selection" problem would go against what Howie said about the track listing being already completed. So who knows.

Howie knows. You do not have to wonder about that. No speculation needed. All the other "maybe it's this, or maybe it's that" chatter is useless. Take what Howie said as direct and solid information.

August 30, 2020

Brian's FB posts on the 49th anniversary of the release of Surf's Up, touting it as a group effort and running through the tracks each member contributed, save for one. The Beach Boys page links to places to stream the album.

https://www.facebook.com/officialbrianwilson/posts/10159310418277241



August 31, 2020

Sunflower 50th. No announcements. Brian's FB posts on the 50th anniversary of the release of Sunflower. Shared by The Beach Boys page. The Beach Boys page also shared ESQ's Sunflower 50th Issue post. Al's anniversary post features a video of All I Wanna Do, and Fred Vail posts on Sunflower's anniversary with an interview video he did discussing it. Mike's website and social media have been inactive since around the 4th of July.

In response to a query about the track "All For The Love Of a Girl" that Fred Vail teased back in December and when it might come out, Fred said:

"considering doing a “crowd fund” to complete it—-lots of overdubs and mixing—approximately 10 more songs"

And although people here and on other forums have speculated that a unanimous vote is required for unreleased BRI material, ESQ, in response to the Sunflower Issue tease, and voting speculation said:

"we did what we could with the information we had." and "but majority wins the day. I think there’s a bit more going on that."

https://www.facebook.com/fred.vail.7/posts/10224010333663118

https://www.facebook.com/thebeachboys/posts/10158603915874140



September 17, 2020

Just to let you know, no announcements re: FEEL FLOWS will be coming via a fanzine.
If and when the project picks up steam -- I promise you guys will be first to know.

September 26, 2020

The amount of unreleased and alternate material assembled is major -- beautiful work from ALL members of the group. Everyone shines on this thing. It's Abbey Road-Beach Boys -- and would ABSOLUTELY be lauded for being just that.

The current assembly features a good 25 minutes of Dennis Wilson's POOPS/HUBBA HUBBA material -- to lose that would truly be a sin (and, obviously, a colossal sales deterrent.)
I know from my liners alone -- drawing from both new interviews and others culled from chats with the band on this material over the past 15 years -- the story of this era breathes new life into the brand.

Knowing from you all what EVERYBODY wants from this collection -- I really can't see how this set could be improved, if altered.

September 27, 2020

Just to be clear, the holdup over this box set is NOT "because of the Dennis Wilson material."

That is NOT why the project isn't out.

That said, the killer sh*t that a) you really want and b) will solidify sales, and garner the band major serious press for this era (barring a fetish fanzine) could very well be lost.

I mentioned the POOPS/HUBBA HUBBA material to underscore the brilliance and span of ALL the band on this set.

What Howie is communicating is that the set which has been meticulously curated by the right people is in danger of being revamped by what are potentially the "wrong people" (my words not his), and the Dennis Wilson material is a great example of what could be lost should this revamp occur. By sharing that the DW "solo" material is indeed included in the submitted version of the set he's revealing how truly comprehensive it would be if left as is. The alarm is that it may not be left as is.

October 12, 2020

I will say one thing, people keep citing "you said content had nothing to do with it" or Made in California or why is it being blocked etc... Take this in, the situation evolved from one place to another. You should have had the box months ago, it was blocked. That is history. Now is a DIFFERENT time in history. If you do end up getting the set, it may be missing things that were in the version that was blocked. Why is that? Because there are people who have expressed that they possibly would like to change it. The people who would like to change it are NOT the people who put together the box that you should have had months ago that was blocked. They wanted to give you something great and wonderful and inclusive. They worked hard on it and delivered. We are appalled that anyone would f*** with the formula they put together, but it's a real possibility and that is a bulletin directly from the inside. Not speculation. But as of now, i guess we're all in "we'll see" mode as things are still fluid as far as i know.

That's all I've found in terms of "official statements", insider info and relevant user posts.

The confusing thing about this is that it went from "BIG NEWS SOON!!!!!" to complete silence seemingly within a few weeks.

That was referring to something different besides the boxed set. I think “big” was overshooting it. “Soon” was a lie, and there ain’t no “news” for damn sure

Didn't Mr. Edelson say the "news" would have had nothing to do with the set? I think that "BIG" news post was around the same time Bruce gave that interview talking about how ESQ had been wanting them to re-record Add Some Music (not sure why they'd want that), and that they in fact were re-recording it, all the group, a bunch of their kids, etc. I wouldn't imagine that constitutes all caps "BIG" news, so who knows what it was. Just a desperate fantasy here - I'll choose to believe that Mike wants the re-recorded Add Some Music done and on the set and to promote, and wants the set name changed to Add Some Music, so that's the hold up. If only it were as simple as all that. 

Fred Vail shared the Sunflower 50th post on FB too. In relation to the track that was previewed for the set awhile back, all he said was maybe doing a crowdfund to complete the album, about 10 more songs, mixing and overdubs. Idk if that means this set ain't happening and he has to finish the whole thing himself if it's to be released, or if he was just referring to the rest of it.

Also on the BB Sunflower FB post, in terms of voting, ESQ said "majority wins the day", so is it more than one of them?

Yes, very subtle. Carl contributed these, Al contributed these, this was Bruce's contribution, and these were Brian's. And?...and that's it! LOL. "A group effort!"

And now Brian's FB has a "Surf's Up was released on this day in 1971" post. Getting a lot of interaction. It mentions it was a group effort and lists everybody's contributions...with one exception. Tomorrow's 50th anniversary of Sunflower should be telling. If all we get from their social media is another "Sunflower was released on this day 50 years ago! What's your favorite track?", then I have little hope. Also, I can't believe the background splash on their main social media accounts are still Royal Philharmonic OUT NOW! 

A unanimous vote is madness considering the dysfunction. Should be majority.

In relation to this era, I was thinking of the An American Family Film, which I actually like...well Part One anyway. I'm not familiar with the intricate details, but Stamos produced that and it was kind of guided by Mike's heavy hand, or pen, right?

Smile falls apart, Brian's burning the album covers then immediately launches into Let the Wind Blow...ok sure. Then it's 1969, there's the Manson stuff, showing Brian giving away gold records while endlessly playing Shortin' Bread or whatever, while the guys record Add Some Music - a Mike co-written and lead vocal song. Dennis gets a moment with Forever. Then it jumps to 1973, Murry passes away, post-Watergate/American Graffiti they're popular again, Mike comes up with Endless Summer, and they're back playing the Surfin'/Beach/Cars songs, as apparently it should be. All is right again. Sunflower, Surf's Up, CATPST, Holland - all evaporated. Rieley, that whole era, it's like it never happened.

I get the albums didn't originally sell as well, the general public watching this thing wouldn't be as familiar, time constraints, etc. But maybe it got memory holed because he considers it all a blip in their career - an unfortunate detour. Could the FF veto be that he simply hates this era?    

"Well I don't know how much there is in the vault...".

I'm sure there's more, but, Ten Years of Harmony, Rarities, Endless Harmony, Hawthorne, CA, Pet Sounds Sessions, Smile Sessions, Made In California, The Big Beat 1963, Keep an Eye On Summer, Party! Uncovered and Unplugged, Becoming the Beach Boys, 1967 Sunshine Tomorrow, 1967 Sunshine Tomorrow 2, Live Sunshine, 1968 Wake the World, 1968 I Can Hear Music, 1968 Live, FEEL FLOWS, and the avalanche of everything beyond, Mark Linett on that Sunset Sound stream from February with the San Miguel and Cottonfields samples talking about how The Beach Boys are unique in not only how much stuff they left behind, but how much GOOD stuff they left behind...

"Well I don't know how much there is in the vault...". He can't be serious!    

I also have a hard time believing it's the distributing label, the two members who teased it, the estate of the member whose song titles the set, or the member who seems to need to read from a cue card to record a 15-second "Hi, this is...hope everybody is staying safe" YouTube video. Reasoning and over 50 years of precedent hint at the holdup. Could be wrong - hopefully wrong.

way to squeeze in a jab at Brian, d*ckhead.

It's not meant as a jab. Just reality. It's amazing he's still here, and still going on tour. Despite how shaky it can sometimes be, anytime he comes nearby, I'd buy a ticket and cheer him on. I'm just saying, with his history, struggles, approaching 80, it's obvious he doesn't use social media, make videos, comment on pretty much anything - others do it for him - so I don't see him actively being involved in any drama, or really anything to do with the business side of things. Even when he was young, sober and of sound mind, everything I've read indicates he completely ignored day to day business. That's all it meant. Prick.   

Don't get me wrong, I'd gladly take digital only releases over nothing at all, but what engenders a not insignificant amount of envy is that recently, all of these fantastic 60's/70's artists and albums which are celebrating 50th anniversaries (in addition to copyright extension necessities), have been getting such amazing reissues and/or box sets, while we have not had a physical release in now over three years - and even then, it could have been bigger what with all the extra sessions and live material that was digitally dumped after the fact at the end of the year.

And not only are so many others getting physical releases, they're getting multiple deluxe physical releases. For goodness sake, McCartney's Flaming Pie, which isn't even that old (I'm in my 30's and it came out while I was in HS), got five different deluxe physical sets. Also, through the superdeluxeedition site and Hoffman forums, I stumbled on the Richard and Linda Thompson box set news. I checked them out on Spotify and it's right up my alley, so I bit. Now, I'd never heard of them, and even my parents with a huge eclectic 60's/70's record collection have never heard of them, and as far as I can tell, they hardly (or maybe never) even broke into the charts anywhere, yet apparently there's a worldwide market for an 8-disc set.

I don't pretend to know how the intricacies of this industry works, but I have a hard time believing with all these products out there, many with multiple formats to choose from, that there isn't a robust market for, or they couldn't turn a profit on, a single format 5-disc release. And it's not like people are pressuring them to begin a daunting two year long project without any notion of where it's going, what would be on it, or who would want it - it's apparently already done! With almost unprecedented economic turmoil and massive unemployment, we have to beg them to now take our money. I have a hard time believing the hold up is the pandemic, when so many other things are coming out. I also have a hard time believing it's the distributing label, the two members who teased it, the estate of the member whose song titles the set, or the member who seems to need to read from a cue card to record a 15-second "Hi, this is...hope everybody is staying safe" YouTube video. Reasoning and over 50 years of precedent hint at the holdup. Could be wrong - hopefully wrong.

Now maybe I'm simplifying this too much, but what if the delay is something as simple as Mike holding back the release until the pandemic is over.
   He can tour then with the release to support? As a man fairly competent in business, could an argument be made that the Beach Boys would make their return tour from the pandemic a Feel Flows Tour?

kind of makes sense considering all the work already done...

 

I'd dig it, but I don't think there's any universe in which he'd do that. I don't know if he likes a lot of this material all that much from that Jack Rieley Q&A I was reading. Also, it's not his group's image or their bread and butter. Just a cursory glance at their setlists, and it seems that the only post Pet Sounds/Good Vibrations tracks they regularly play are Bruce's Disney Girls, sometimes Darlin', Sail On Sailor, It's OK, Getcha Back, and of course, Kokomo.

I find it amazing reading through this thread that so many people have learned nothing about this band's fatal flaw...which historically is of course themselves. And definitely not all of them. Howie laid it all out for you in big flashing letters, but some people are still stumbling around, confused, wondering if it's Covid-19, or marketing, or the label that's holding this up. Jesus, c'mon people. Look at the f'n history of this band. Read Howie's posts because he knows everything. He can't name names because he's a professional with bridges intact and trying his best to keep them that way. This box could have been released months ago. It could have a solid release date right now. It's ready. We want it. The label wants it. But that can't happen because the circular firing squad is doing their thing ...again. It's often a one or two man circular firing squad BTW. People have written chapters in book's about it. Maybe this will get worked out, it doesn't look great right now. But if you wonder why? Look at the history of the band, the answer is obvious. Finding a way to f*** up a beautiful thing. It's in the DNA of the Beach Boys.

Thanks for the post, Jon. This literally makes me want to simultaneously weep and repeatedly bang my head into a table.

This beautiful art needs to be released. All the bandmembers had solid contributions during this time. I'm sure each and every member, living or deceased, will have moments to shine. It doesn't have to be a freakin' contest.

Forget the song "Is Jack Rieley Really Superman"… The real question is "Is Jack Rieley Really Nostradamus?" - and when it comes to his famous, tragic BBs quote, the answer is clearly yes.

I wasn't familiar with the Jack Rieley quote CenturyDeprived's post referenced, so went searching and found the thread containing a copy/paste of a Jack Rieley Q&A that appears to be from 1996. If this set is really held up and the reasons are not logistical, could the answer, even some 50 (petty) years later, be there in his responses concerning the group dynamics and feelings about the Surf's Up material at the time? Am I in the ballpark? Warm? Scalding?

Oh...but in that scenario, it wouldn't make any sense to have greenlit it in the first place and to work so hard on it for the last few years. That'd be really sadistic.