thats exactly where i heard it, during the GOK sessions he said bob and then dad...sounded like he was in the room with the musicians...

anyone have anymore info?

(sorry for hijacking the thread )

blasphemy!

question: did murry wilson ever sit in any of the sessions? and offtopic, but did he sit in during any of hte pet sounds sessions? i dunno if im crazy or if brian is sayin "dad"

wheres the love for 'He Gives Speeches'?

How would one be able to acquire this M.I.A?

I cant believe so many people dislike Tears....its one of my favorite tunes. Its so beautiful to me, even though the lyrics are sad

hahahaha, awesome.

Here we go!

It was a success. The best we've ever have drums sound in my room, the setup:

XY -  Audio-Technica XM3 x2
Kick - Audio-Technica XM9
^ all we had available
Toms - SM57 x2
Ride - Behringer (sp?) B-1

some pics:







We'll start recording the instruments over the week, we're just happy we got 3 songs down on the drums...and I honestly cant stop raving about how great they sound. Its true, to record good sounding drums is not just the gear but the drummer himself. I can't wait to start getting more tracks down!

If you were curious, this is what my DAW looked like



Stephen, I'll be more than happy to send you a dry mp3 of the drum tracks if you wish to give it a listen.

Take care
-Joe

p.s. sorry for straying away from the original topic at hand...the mighty amazing Beach Boys! :x

Success!

We have two songs recorded so far. Another problem with us using a click track is that we change tempo throughout our songs...we're very...'experimental'. We're about to take a 'break' and then start on the third song. I'll be back with a full report with the mic setup and some pics...Its funny what you said about Hal, after shows people have come up to us and say that our drummer is a human metronome (no lie).

Everything is comin out great, and we're REALLY happy with the overall sound. It's so crisp!

Ill be back soon!

take care
-Joe

Like, record snare kick and toms up close. Then overdub the ride and hihat -- or some such order.  You don't need to record all the drums at the same time if you use a click track.[/b]  ~swd

We've tinker'd around with that idea, but sometimes you lose a certain 'groove' when you start seperating parts. Maybe its just us! I dont know. We're finally setting everything up, unfortunately, our drummer is nowhere to be found. So in the end, we might just track some stuff for fun and mess around with it. We'll see how it pans out.

I use Cubase SX 2 to record, it has its own internal click track, but let me tell you Stephen, Im not a fan of click tracks. I've tried to use them multiple times (for myself and with other drummers) and it just gets frustrating. I especially hate click tracks when Im trying to record an instrument, its just too solid and straight forward with absolutely no groove! We'll see how it goes, as soon as we finish tonite I'll give you the full report! Until then, Im going to send you a link through the private message function on the board, I hope you recieve it.

-Joe

They first tried the song "Help Me, Ronda" on the album Today!

Brian later re-worked the song a tad, re-did the backing and the groups vocals.

There's a great version on the Endless Harmony soundtrack with Brian doing a high lead in to the chorus.

The whole 'wah wah wah waaah'? I think thats *brilliant*...for some reason I thought the Today! version was the second recording of it. When did they re-release it?

I noticed that there are a few mixes of 'Help Me, Rhonda' out and about. I don't mean different as in different material, music, vocals....but one of the versions (I believe its off the Today! lp) has a wacky mix down. During the chorus at the end it seems that one bar is at the same level of the rest of the song and then another bar the volume would be slightly lower. I heard another mix that sounds fine the whole way through.

Im sorry if this has been asked before, but...whats up with that?!?

I was always curious about it !

thanks
-Joe

Mark,

Do you ever read/post on the TapeOp board? I read your interview a few issues ago and it was amazing!

thanks
-Joe

Oh! I made a mistake, I thought you meant leakage through the individual drum mics. We are recording the drums and the bass together at the same time. The bass is direct in. (We might even work on re-amping the Bass afterwards) The guitars will also be direct for scratch tracks, we're recording the guitars on another date (we have all the time in the world to do the guitar tracks, its the drums that we're limited too since our drummer has a job and goes to classes) and I have to get my amped fixed. For some reason, my amp decided to stop working...It looks it might be one of the tubes in the preamp. Thats what I get for going on a bumpy ride after a gig. :/

Anywho, today we're dedicating to recording the drum and bass tracks for 3 songs. Once we got the perfect takes, we'll be workin on recording the guitars through our amps and little tricks that we like to do around the house. We literally setup 3 or 4 mics to an amp and try to go for the best mix of sounds. We have a lot of fun.

I have a feeling we'll have six inputs dedicated to the drums (kick, snare, tom 1, tom 2, overhead left, overhead right) and then the remaining two inputs will goto the bass and one guitar. (The band setup is 2 guitars, bass, drums, drum machine/moog synth)


-Joe

That is what we're worried about, with the leakage. When we recorded our first ep all the mics were right up to the drum and it sounded so sweet. The mix down on the drums was very detailed in the sense of panning. Since we're limited this time around it seems like we will have more of an overall sound. So we will have to work on the mic positioning. I really don't mind, we have a new drummer and he's a lot jazzier than our previous drummer, it might just work out. What I'm concerned about (and you brought this up on a previous post) is how he can intensify as the song plays through and eventually plays really hard. We're going to have to sit down and talk to him about keeping the intensity of the hits mid-level and keep the sound sweet and round with not too much of a 'punch'. If we were able to mic every single piece, then this wouldnt be a problem.

Another unfortunate circumstance, since we're recording this in my bedroom, the computer/sound unit (I use an Aardvark Q10) will be in the same room. I was hoping to move the computer to another room, but in the end, it wont work out. So we have to do a lot of the leveling visually using the input mixer levels. 


-Joe

Stephen,

We pushed it back til tomorrow because our drummer had class today. We're setting up in the early am and tracking all through the afternoon and early evening. If we don't get the 3 songs down we'll be using Monday as well (luckily we all have the day off).

I'll report back to you as soon as the session is done.

Thank you!
-Joe

p.s. The other sound engineer and I were talkin, and we're thinkin about having the condensor in the Middle, two SM57's on LEFT and RIGHT (overview) and then mic'in the kick and snare. Only problem with that is that Im afraid the sm57s wont pick the cymbals and hihat too clear. Anyway, we have a few ideas we're gonna try out so Im excited!

I hear ya, I was just curious what were some of your preferences.

When we recorded our first EP, we mic'd every single piece. So that I can control the sonic space of every single piece of the kit. Unfortunately, we recorded that at the local community college, where we recorded on a Sony 24 track tape and had a plethora of external gear. This time we're doing it at my place, where we're a bit...limited. Thinkin about mic'in kick (not sure what mic we're using), mid and floor tom with a SM57, snare with an SM57, and we have a B1 Behringer Condensor on the crash. Im worried about the hihats and ride..still dont have mics for that...have to figure it out by tomorrow evening. I was thinkin about trading in the B1 for the RODE NT5 (dual pencil condensor mics) and work on an XY configuration.

oh well, was hopin to have a fun discussion with this..off to tapeop I go

take care
-Joe

Steve,

I do not have the Sunflower/Surf's up book so if this is mentioned in it, please excuse me. What was the drum mic'ing setup that you used? Did you mic up every individual piece? Maybe an XY arrangement? Curious on your thoughts on this matter, as we're tracking drums this weekend.

-Joe

God, Im missing out on a lot of Beach Boys stuff...

just threw on

The Beach Boys - Here She Comes

and im jaaaammin!

anyone have an mp3 of this? would love to hear it!

Wow...I never thought of reamping a whole ensemble like that. Sounds like fun!

Thanks

It's not about vocals or the layering of vocals, rather it's about making one performer sound as if multiple performers being recorded in one acoustic space -- whether singing vocals or playing instruments. [/b] ~swd

ooh, I guess I misunderstood. Sorry.

Is the book youre talking about the same as the Sunflower/Surf Up recording notes? I saw your website eons ago about it and Ive wanted to get a copy but I wasnt sure if it was still going on...as Sunflower is one of my favorite BB albums.

Weezer being branded as 'emo' is the stupidest thing ever.  The Blue Album and Pinkerton are not 'emo' they are straight up rock and roll...imo.

A Portable Model Of is my favorite Joan of Arc album, they ahve so many good ones but that one tops all of them. Caliban is pure brilliance. I love The Owls lp too, and the new Make Believe stuff is great.

Hey Steve, I almost forgot, but if you care to listen, I recorded this

http://www.someoneliving.com/aeijtzsche_silent_night_CTDT.mp3

partially in your honor, before christmas, but then the board went down...

Anyway, I attempted a common time domain environment, not sure if I was terribly succesful, but it was fun to try.

I set up my two LD-condensers in an XY formation, kind of used a wall to get some reflections, and at the same time I had my ribbon mic set up off to the side on which I sang the bass part.

Thats really neat! I never tried to do the XY formation and recording parts from different parts of the room. I always just setup one condenser and goto town. I have tried to do multiple vocals with just one or three voices. Here are two examples:

http://www.dubnetwork.com/music/vocalmixdowntest.mp3

This is just me, only three parts, sounds neat at the end. No panning.

http://www.dubnetwork.com/music/vocal1.mp3

This is me and two buddies, recorded with one mic. About 3-4 layers, wrote the main melody on guitar and went from there. Once again, no panning since we only used one mic and never really bothered panning it on the mix down. But I definitely wanna give the stereo micing technique a try.