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Hi there.
I saw on Facebook that the 2nd Carl Wilson's album will be re-released by Iconoclassic Records in September, and Billy Hinsche provided the new liner notes.
Great notice!

Just the second album?  Do you know if there will be any outtakes?

Yeah, just the second album. I didn't understood it too.
I didn't know if outtakes will be in this reissue.
But reading the label's site, I noticed that some of their reissues have bonus tracks, one or two.

Glad to hear Youngblood is being released on CD in the U.S. (finally), and hoping for bonus tracks.

I have the first album on vinyl and don't like it. Haven't heard Youngblood in its entirety yet, so maybe I'm going to buy this.

Both of his albums were rather terrible IMHO, but it would be nice for me to actually hear it in better sound ;I'd heard a tape copy of an LP, and it sounded so overly bright as to actually hurt my damn ears.

And this one's the worst, thanks to awful AOR-style songs and arrangements.

i was lucky enough to get Carls both albums on cd when they were re-released on cd in 1990 by Caribou. There are some great songs on them, also on the first cd !

Carl's albums get too easily dismissed in my view. Okay, they're not POB, BWPS or TLOS. Yes, between them they have a few non-essentials and a few clunkers. But there are also some excellent pieces. In my opinion they have as at least as much merit as PFC.

And let's face it, anything featuring Carl Wilson's voice has bonus points automatically awarded.

I would be quite content with just a remastered version of "Heaven".  It's about as good as any song he's written.  And despite the cheesiness, "What You Do To Me" is catchy. 

In Japan only, however.

No, in Europe (at least in Germany and the Netherlands) as well.

Wasn't Cherry Red said to be looking to re-issue both of Carl's albums as well?  Is that deal off (or did I dream it?)?  Or have two labels got separate re-issues planned (one a re-master, the other a needle drop!)?

Are you sure about that? I remember seeing them in on of the local CD stores, but these were Japanese pressings. In contrary to the Beach Boys 70ies albums and Dennis' POB, these weren't part of the Epic "Digitally Remastered" series. Same for example for Blondie Chaplin's first solo album: I could buy the first CD issue in the early 90ies here in Holland, but it still was Japanese import.

To be honest - I'm not 100% sure. I once (1989-1993) worked for one of the biggest record stores in town and I do remember that I listened to both of Carl's solo albums for the first time back then (and didn't liked them). Since we also had a very large amount of Japanese import CD's it is possible that these were the Japanese pressings. Anyway I also do remember that an old friend of mine bought both albums for his collection and I will ask him next weekend to check out if these were Japanese or German pressings - keep the fingers crossed he still have them.

If you've got a European CD release of either of Carl's solo albums - they're counterfeits.  ;D  Only ever reissued on CD in Japan.

I bought them new here in the USA on CD when they came out.  POB as well.

I like Carl's first album, but there are only a few tracks I like on Youngblood.

POB, yes... but in all my years as a BB whatever, the only legit CD reissues have been Japanese. Try looking on Amazon or eBay for US/UK reissues - can't find 'em. No BB collector I know of has any. Know why ? They don't exist.  ;D

It would be nice to have official versions of Carl's albums but only for completists sake, my opinion of both albums is that they are both godawful and even Carls voice cannot redeem them. Not as bad as Going Public though........

There´s one bonus track: "Givin' You Up" (single version).

I've never listened to any solo BBs stuff beyond POB (and various configurations of Bambu) and Brian's solo career (and even then, I've still not listened to Imagination or GIOMH). I somehow don't feel like I'm missing out on anything here, either!

Originals YES, reissues no.

Care to scan the inserts/booklets ? 'Cause if you've bought Carl's albums on US domestic CD reissues, you've got about the rarest BB-related CDs that exists.  So rare that no collector of my acquaintance has even heard of them.

Just to make sure I'm understanding you, you're saying "I bought them (Carl's solo albums) new here in the USA on CD when they came out", right ?

Imagination and GIOMH are essential in their own ways. And cheap, too. You can buy the used CDs for about a buck apiece. Go ahead, live a little. You might be pleasantly surprised. (Or not. :-D)

Nope in the Netherlands at Fame Music in Amsterdam. They were the japan release thats correct AGD.

AGD,
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was just saying that I purchased Carl's CD's back when they were first released here in the USA (not reissues but the first time they came out on Caribou).  I bought the long box (remember those?) Carl Wilson, Youngblood and then later, POB.  I even remember the store I purchased them at (Musicland at the Southroads Mall ;D)

Do I still have them?  No but maybe my ex-wife does.  Are they rare?  Oh yes they are.  The last original Caribou CD I saw on eBay was selling for $125 and that was a year ago but you can buy CD-R copies on eBay all the time.

I can assure you, 100% I bought them brand new, here in the USA 20+ (or whenever it was) years ago.  They were here then gone, just the way "10 Years of Harmony" was.  Available everywhere on CD and then *poof* they were gone.  

Hmmm... just checked my archive of all the BB 'zines from back then - nothing: likewise Billboard. I've emailed a few hard-core collectors, and if they say they've got one, then my apologies... but all the evidence I've uncovered is that what you bought were the Japanese reissues. I can find no online reference at all to any US reissue.

Sent you a PM.

I swear I saw Carl Wilson's first CD in a record store at the same time POB came out back whenever that was.  Not so sure about YOUNGBLOOD.

I read somewhere that there was a third Carl album that was recorded in '85 or '86 that was rejected, and I've asked other people who basically laughed this idea out of the room, because of the cost overruns on YOUNGBLOOD which made it unlikely a label would ever finance a CW album again.  Does anyone know anything about a theoretical third CW album, or was this just one of those apocryphal things that turns up?  It did strike me as credible, just because it's the kind of thing most people wouldn't make up, and Carl wasn't exactly that creative with the BBs after '85.

But then again, for years after Dennis' death it was listed in various sources that he had released a second album in 1981 called ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE.  (It was an album by a different Dennis Wilson)

Never heard anything of a 3rd album being recorded and/or rejected. he was laying down some demos, with Christopher Cross, but nothing ever came of that.

Carl's albums were reissued by Sony on CD in Japan in 1991, with consecutive catalog numbers. If someone can show me a scan of of a domestic booklet or insert, I'll gladly hold my hands and admit my error, but intil this thread, I'd never heard anything about these existing, and the evidence I've amassed so far indicated to me that they were imports.

Christopher Cross, eh? Yeah, THAT would've boosted up the energy level :lol

And "Youngblood" was remastered by Vic Anesini (POB Legacy) for this re-release.

Well... just got the replies back from two people I asked. Pretty much the biggest collector I know of agrees that the only CD reissues of Carl's albums were in Japan... and someone very much on the inside of the CW loop (and has been for decades) agrees that no such domestic reissues happened.

What about "Where We Are"? Looks like we're still stuck with the crappy dub of it from Get The Boot for now.

That one is from 1978...so not part of the Youngblood sessions.

Still researching.

I know what I bought and when I bought them......stupid ex-wife, LOL.

Although I do not have them in my possession any longer, when I purchased mine, there was nothing to indicate they were a japan only release or that they were a reissue.

Some of the gray area lies in the reissue definition - my discs were purchased brand new in the box from a nationwide record chain here in the USA that had no "import" sections.  Back then, a lot of CD's were manufactured in Japan as the production facilities here in the USA were not yet up to speed but by no means were my discs a Japan release or exclusive to one corner of the world.

I know what I had and there was no difference between these and any other title stocked in the store.

I'll have to see if I can contact some of the guys I worked with at Goldmine and Discoveries.  I had a whole stack of stuff I compiled with regards to solo / non-Beach Boys releases when we would work to re-edit the price guides back in the day.

As mentioned, we need to define reissue.

I purchased Carl and Dennis' albums on CD here in the USA.  Then they went out of print.

POB has been reissued on CD, up until now, Carl's have not been reissued.

When someone can scan the booklet from the Japan version of Carl's CD's, then we have a place to begin.

Well, guess I should've went to Bellagio before I made that post.

OK, here's the definition of reissue - not the first time they were released.

Example: POB was first released on LP/cassette in 1977... then reissued on CD in 1991 (for about five minutes). The 2nd CD reissue was in 2008.

Now, you're not going to like this, but it's a fact. I contacted possibly the biggest BB collector there ever was, and yes, he recalls the 1991 CD reissues of Carl's solo albums, had them in his collection. They were Japanese. He has never heard of any US CD pressings of these albums: he never had any such copies in his collection. Also, I contacted someone who knew Carl for over 40 years, who worked with him for many of those years and also had other, non-musical connections. They have never seen nor heard of any US domestic CD pressings of his solo albums either. I went through every 1990/1991/1992 issue of all the BB fanzines then extant: no mention of any CD reissues of these albums.  The CDs you bought had to be Japanese pressings for this simple reason: there were, and are, no others. Doesn't matter if you think they were the original CD release, or a reissued CD release. If you purchased them in 1991, then they had to be a reissue as the original albums were out in 1981 and 1983.


Not doubting for a moment you bought CD versions of Carl's solo albums as you said, but the fact remains, they had to be Japanese imports. I've been in CD shops all over the US going back to the 80s, and by and large, they didn't have a separate import section: any imports were in the section for that artist. Sony/Caribou in the US has never released those albums on CD.

If anyone can post a scan of the booklet or insert that doesn't have the catalog numbers SRCS 6102 or SRCS 6103, then I'll begin to doubt my research. The original catalog # for POB was PZ 34354 and that for the 1991 CD reissue ZK 34354: similarly, all the BB Caribou CD reissues carried the same catalog number but with a new ZK preface, therefore a US pressing of Carl's album would have the following catalog numbers -

Carl Wilson  - ZK 37010
Youngblood - ZK 37970

Show me one of those, and I'll hold up my hands and 'fess up.  :)

I can't say they weren't Japanese imports, myself.  I just didn't notice anything to indicate they were.  But heck, it was 20 years ago, and it was a 10 second decision not to buy it.

Probably the wisest 10 seconds you ever devoted to a purchasing consideration.  ;D

Just looked through a couple of Carl's set lists from way-back-when and it's worth noting that they were almost utterly devoid of BBs material, other than Long Promised Road which was his own anyway.

Have Al, Brian or Mike ever performed a concert at which 90% of the material performed originated on their solo releases?

Was Carl turning his back on the band, or just more concerned with being a contemporary artist performing contemporary material?  Or was he just desperate to promote his albums?

Well...

When we backed Al at the CWF Foundation it was all stuff from his new album, though one song was a remake of "Honkin'".  We only did three songs though.  But TECHNICALLY...

Al and Brian's concerts are mostly Beach Boys stuff. When Michael did a limited solo tour in 1981 to plug Looking Back With Love, he played virtually the entire contents of that album along with a helping of the hits.

Yes, well, except for those concerts where Brian played the entirety of his new albums. You know, the majority of touring he did in 2004-2005 and those shows in 2007 and 2008.

Avaible now for pre-order: Amazon and Iconoclassic's site.

£16.49 on amazon UK ?????  No fucking way. For that, I'd want him singing it to me in the front room.

I don't get why they didn't make this a two-fer, or at least have some outtakes.

In addition to the Japanese re-issues on CD, there were also needle drops made of the two albums. Have never played the CD's and I think I played the original vinyl albums maybe 4 times max after I bought them when they were released. Had the "Carl Wilson" album cover signed by Carl himself in S.F. between two solo shows.

Brad Elliott released a good Carl Wilson 19 track comp CD back in '99:

http://www.bradelliott.com/writings/lpr.html

I can think of at least one possible problem with that request AGD.....

Those concerts were still mostly Beach Boys stuff though...

Try Play.com... a bargain!

NOT; He gets credit for compiling and annotating, for which I'm certain he was paid well, but releasing it?
Why not say Andrew Sandoval  or Billy Hinsche released it?  ( or pick your own)
Brad didn't release s**t

There's a story about that CD and the American Cancer Society too.  ???

Because I felt like saying that Brad released it, Bgass!  That's where I got mine - from Surf's Up Collectibles way back when. Capitol Records most likely mastered and pressed them and probably had something to do with the artwork. Brad compiled the tracks and the sound quality is superior compared to the Japanese CD's.

Did I say Brad released it? So sue me!

By the way, how's that 4-track tape Beach Boys collection coming along, Bgass?

I've got them all , dick.

Sorry if this has been asked already, but will this re-release be remastered?
Thanks!

Yes, the cd was remastered for this re-release.
I pre-ordered today in Amazon.com

Glad to hear of this surprise re-issue!  I did get the Japanese CD...3 or 4 years after the pressing, it was going for about $25, which was what I paid.  Never did find a reasonable price for the 1st album on CD. 

But, yeah, I'm confused about why the first album is not included or reissued on its own....they could have easily fit both albums on one disc.  And if they released them separately, just about anyone who purchased the new Youngblood CD would purchase the Carl Wilson one too...weird.

I put it in my amazon shopping cart an hour ago at $16.98, and now it is already down to $13.99. Grab it now!

Down to 12.95 as of yesterday. I pre-ordered my copy. I will message Billy about if he will be doing Carl's self-titled album next. If so, I am a guaranteed customer for it as well. I have both LP versions already. But if Yougblood is going to get the kind of TLC that POB got, I am VERY eager.

I got the original POB CD on Caribou in  July 1989. So I would assume both of Carl's' albums came out on Caribou then as well. I wish I got them.  The "3rd" Carl album that i know of was a collaborative venture called Beckley- Lamm- Wilson "Like A brother". I only have a boot version. Be nice to see this one remastered as well. So I can toss the boot copy.

I have both of the Japanese releases. Get them years ago. One was through Goldmine Magazine, paid 35.00. The other was through a record / cd "broker." I'm not even going to say what I paid for that one!!

The album is still in print. Knock yourself out:

http://www.amazon.com/Like-Brother-Beckley/dp/B000TR9XES/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1280328815&sr=8-2

I searched for Carl Wilson on play.com and this guy shows up!

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517Oqw4TwoL._SL160_AA115_.jpg)

Always wondered what Carl would look like without the beard!

Thanks I just saved the link. I'll buy it later this fall.  :)

I got both of Carl's CD's in the 90's from a record store in Maryland along with a few assorted Bruce Johnston CD's including "Going Public". Yes they were being sold in the US but like Andrew stated they were all in fact JAPANESE CD's they even had the Obi strips and the booklets and the back of the CD's had Japanese writing on them  :)

That's what I have as well; bought both in th early 90's at a record show for about $25 each. Everything is in Japanese.

I have only the lps and disc copies.     As for the musical quality of the albums I have always said that they can be combined into one very nice cd with your personal nonfavorites deleted.  Throw in your fav BLW cuts for good measure.  All things considered, I find Youngblood the better album.

This is turning out to be an interesting year for new  BB releases.

Hey guys...chill out, 'kay?

  Amen!!

Do we know whether or not this album will be remastered?

According to the website, yes.

Just got an email from Amazon saying the release has been pushed back to November (that will teach me to preorder....).  :(

I bought both Japanese reissues when they were first released and have never seen or heard anything about US reissues until now, but I will get the new reissue of Youngblood for the bonus track single edit. And if they reissue Carl Wilson with bonus track(s), I'll get that as well.

Honestly, I think MIU is better than Carl's solo records...Heaven is great, What You Do To Me and Rockin' Around the World are tolerable...the rest... :P :P :P :P :-[ :-[ :-X :-X :-X :'( :'( :'( :o :o :o :o

yeah i can't say i'm a fan of carl's music, just sorta there for me. 

Rockin' Around The World?

Sounds like a nice little medley of Mike's "Runnin' Around The World" and Carl's "Rockin' All Over The World"... not sure if I want to hear that... :P

I like most of his ballads and weirdly, I've grown to even enjoy some of the more 'rockin' numbers. I don't think they're genius...or even particularly good objectively, but they don't bother me. The Grammy will always suck though, except the part where the black chicks say "Who the hell do you think you are?' Rock.

Youngblood was, to me, more in line with the Carl rockers on the 85 BB album.  Almost as if they were to have been part of the same album at some point.  One More Night Alone stands among Carl's best work.  The first CW album was weak but for a couple of cuts.

Really? To me, "The Grammy" is one of, if not the best, uptempo Carl rockers.

Carl should've produced the albums himself

the music prob doesn't warrant that sorta thing. unlike POB