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http://www.sainsburysentertainment.co.uk/en/Music/CD/The-Beach-Boys/Surfin-Safari-Mono-Stereo/product.html?product=E11183753

This promises to be interesting, possibly from the wrong perspective!

Hope Mark might be able to enlighten us as to just how legit the "Not Now" label is!

Don't know how there could really be a stereo remix of the whole album...and the idea of an extraction mix of Surfin' scares the hell out of me.

5.1 remix!

Channel 1: Surfin' as we know it!
Channel 2: Carl eating.
Channel 3: Al picking his teeth.
Channel 4: Dennis smoking.
Channel 5: Mike with a vibrator, dildo and bag of money.
Subwoofer: Brian, Van Dyke, Vosse and Anderle chanting "surf, wipeout, gremmie, toes on the nose, pipeline, dinwiddie pearl, surf, wipeout", etc.

Interesting...

f***

I can't understand for the life of me why this is across two CDs… even wih the bonus Luau track on disc 2, you should get three or four Surfin Safari LPs on to one CD!

Not Now! is a superbudget label that is, as far as I can see, legitimate. I think it aims at the customer who happens to visit a record store, and sees a superbargain compilation, and snaps it (or a couple of them, they're that cheap) up along with what she/he wanted to buy in the first place.

In that sense, the label has lovely stuff. I have two double sets of Cuban music (and releated), and just noticed that the 'Cruisin'' series is available in 3CD boxes. Who can complain about a double set for € 4.99? Not me. They're not perfect, but more than good enough.

But I don't think Not Now! answers the needs of serious collectors. There's shoddy stuff too, see Marvin Gaye's 'Let's Get It On', for instance.

I think they profit from material that's in the public domain by now.

Go to: http://www.notnowmusic.co.uk/ (http://www.notnowmusic.co.uk/) for a glance.

Also listed at Amazon uk as being in the Fat Cat label - doesn't come up under a search for artists btw. Amazon uk also has it listed as a 180g vinyl release.

Gobsmacked.

Thought I recognised Not Now Music - I have their 2-cd Robert Johnson : The Complete Collection, a perfectly serviceable and budget priced collection of everything he ever recorded.

FINALLY we get to hear Chug-a-lug in stereo.  I can die happy.

Can we get a Wild Honey one of these from another random label

Not for another six years!

Am I right in saying that there was a change in copyright law in the UK as regards sound recordings to extend from 50 to 70 years?  I'm not sure how this "Surfin' Safari" is legal under the new law.  Did it originate elsewhere?  Or do I not understand the law?

OK, let's think about this logically - a small reissue label is going to have the resources to...

acquire the original multitracks, or lease them...
get someone (read: Mark) to remix them into stereo...

... and then market the product exclusively via a UK supermarket's website.

Anyone care to point me at the single atom of that scenario that makes any sense whatsoever ?  :old

Gotta assume that to create a "stereo" mix they've also incorporated SoT tracks. This could go on a while…!

I ordered the vinyl and will report back what this is exactly.

2CD version Not Now Music just arrived; am ripping the discs to my hard-drive in the office right now.

First off, according to the sleeve notes (by, ahem, "Brian Parks"… it's possible) Disc 2 is the original duophonic mix, NOT a stereo mix as is claimed on the slipcase. Haven't pressed "play" yet but I'm gonna hazard a guess that these might be needle-drops.

Cover photo (as you'll see on the Amazon listing) uses one of the outtakes from the original shoot, and the words "Beach Boys Surfin' Safari" are in Cooper Black, a-la Pet Sounds!

"Produced for reissue by Glenn Gretlund"

Disc one (mono) sounds pretty ropey – you can hear what I assume is surface noise at times. Not a patch on the ol' two-fer.

Disc two sounds clearer, actually.

Weird thing – on Disc 2, the Shift is timed as ten seconds longer than disc one (whole album timed as 45-ish seconds longer than disc one)… it's actually ten seconds of silence… interrupted veeeery briefly by very short drum roll/cymbal clash.

Well, thanks for taking one for the team, John. Good to know this is one I can remove from the wish list.

The changes in EU copyright law were agreed last year, but given until the end of this year to become law in the individual countries. As I understand it, that means that the Surfin' Safari album has gone out of copyright in some EU countries, possibly including the UK, as of last week (everything from 1962 will have expired at on Jan 1 2013, simultaneously). That also presumably means that the single versions of Love Me Do and P.S. I Love You by the Beatles went out of copyright then. However, the changes will go into effect before any full Beatles albums go out of copyright (presumably the reason for the changes, in much the same way that Mickey Mouse was the reason for similar changes in US cinema copyright laws), and we can't expect any 60s music released after Dec 31, 2012 to ever go out of copyright as long as any of it's making a profit for a major corporation :-/

Permission to look insufferably smug and say "told ya so" ?

"we can't expect any 60s music released after Dec 31, 2012..."

Exactly how can any 60s music be released after 12/31/2012 ?  Or after 12/31/1969, for that matter ?  :old

Gah. Tyop.

Permission denied.

Next…

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00B08MJVO/

I like the track list:

Basket
Your Account
1-Click Settings
Wish List
Find a Wish List or Registry
Sign Out
Help
Amazon.co.uk Home
Legal Terms

Amazing song titles, really.

You can tell who wrote what by the track titles alone. "Your Account" and "Legal Terms" are clearly Mike songs, whereas "Basket" and "Find A Wish List or Registry" could be tunes from Brian's late 80's solo career. And "Sign Out" could definitely be a Dennis tune. A hurting ballad with lyrics close to the bone and a couple of discreet strings.

 :lol

The Hallmark disc has just landed in the post. Packaging is pitiful – not even a production credit, no sleeve notes (though song/tune writing credits are included at least. No original cover artwork…)…

Will try to A/B with other releases this afternoon but might not be too illuminating as I ain't a technicality guy.

Worst of the bunch so far.

Just sounds muffled and muddy.

Pref is (oooh, another list thread!):

1. 2001 Capitol two-fer, hands down.
2. 2013 duophonic disc from 2013 Not Now 2CD release, strangely enough.
3. 2013 mono disc from 2013 Not Now 2CD release
4. 2013 Hallmark issue.

Any chance that the forthcoming Surfin' 1962 is Brad's long-anticipated First Wave set?  Any chance I'll win the Lotto tonight and be beseiged by 21-year-old blondes?

John, why do you torture yourself with this stuff? ;D

Insanity brought on by proximity to wind turbines, is my guess

:lol…

I keep hoping something good might come out of it.

I'll never forget buying a budget issue of the Christmas Album in 1996 and finding the "Barnyard Billy/Swingers Cantina/Iron Vega-Tables" H&V section as a hidden bonus track.

I think "Legal Terms" is that one song Brian & Mike wrote together in 1994.

It seems that Carl would leave the stage whenever the band played "Sign Out".

If it is, John, Brad ows me it for free! I pre-ordered and paid for it about 10 years ago (or whenever he was up and about with the release). ;p

'Fraid it's not – turns out it's Surfin' Safari the album, a slew of bonus tracks, and a 2nd CD comprising sessions originally released on the SoT Alternate Surfin' Safari bootleg (minus one track, it appears).

I ordered a couple of copies of First Wave from Brad too… now that the material is out of copyright, I wonder if there's a chance of a European release?

hat said, I'd rather it came from Capitol given the shoddy quality of all these semi-legit post-copyright money-grubbing releases that have hit the market so far.

Yeah, I know (the tracklist was int the link I posted in the other thread). I ordered myself a copy, before it gets withdrawn.
If we're lucky! Brad ows a lot of money though, that's for sure.
 

I got stiffed by Brad on both that CD set and an expensive leather bound - set of photos.

The man has not an honest bone in his body.

I doubt he ever even had a copy of those tapes from which to make that First Wave set. In my estimation, he just worked up a plausible "sessions" track listing and proceeded to take orders. I still have a copy of the track listing somewhere amongst my stuff.

Artwork at Amazon UK…

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Surfin-1962-Beach-Boys/dp/B00B08MJVO

(… hardly worth posting the link, I know …)

In the interests of fairness, yes, he did have the original master tapes leased from Bruce Morgan, Hite's son. The band didn't make a fuss about the gazillion bad reissues of the Morgan material since 1969, yet when Brad announced this set, they pitched a fit and decided they had ownership. Now that's plain wrong and the strong assumption is that BRI/Capitol were looking for an excuse to put him out of business. There's also strong evidence to indicate that he knew the BB were going to issue an injucntion to halt the set, yet still took orders.

That said, there's no question the man was a crook who took people's money for projects that never came to pass (dating back to a 2LP productions set in 1982), or that he has yet to refund the bulk of that money. Some fans helped finance First Wave and are still owed thousands of dollars. I was lucky - my association with him on a similarly non-existent project only cost me three months of my spare time (and was directly responsible for 10452), oh and the necessity of explaining to various friends that something he said about me to them was both untrue and actionable (I've lately discovered that this was because he was jealous of my access). He also caused a good friend a deal of grief with BRI by disclosing confidential material. His 1961-81 discography is still seminal, but his later actions have destroyed his reputation.

So who has the tapes – and the right to them – now? Have to assume that with the European 50-year copyright rule, they're now ripe for a legal release over here, by anyone.

Did BRI/Capitol take possession?  Should we assume that the material from those sessions & tapes is available to the box set compilers?

Track-listing for "Surfin' 1962" is up: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Surfin-1962-The-Beach-Boys/dp/B00B08MJVO/ref=dp_return_1?ie=UTF8&n=229816&s=music (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Surfin-1962-The-Beach-Boys/dp/B00B08MJVO/ref=dp_return_1?ie=UTF8&n=229816&s=music)

Disc: 1
1. Surfin' Safari
2. County Fair
3. Ten Little Indians
4. Chug-a-lug
5. Little Girl (You're My Miss America)
6. 409
7. Surfin'
8. Heads You Win, Tails I Lose
9. Summertime Blues
10. Cuckoo Clock
11. Moon Dawg
12. The Shift
13. Luau
14. Surfin' (Original 7" Version)
15. Barbie - Kenny & The Cadets
16. What Is a Young Girl Made Of - Kenny & The Cadets
17. Surfin' Safari (German Ariola Version)
18. Mr Moto/Interview
19. The Revo-lution - Rachel & The Revolvers
20. Number One - Rachel & The Revolvers
21. The Surfer Moon - Bob & Sheri
22. Humpty Dumpty - Bob & Sheri

Disc: 2
1. Heads You Win, Tails I Lose (Overdub)
2. Heads You Win, Tails I Lose (Overdub)
3. Heads You Win, Tails I Lose (Overdub)
4. County Fair (Instrumental)
5. County Fair (Overdub)
6. Cuckoo Clock (Instrumental)
7. Cuckoo Clock (Overdub)
8. Summertime Blues (Instrumental)
9. Summertime Blues (Instrumental)
10. Summertime Blues (Instrumental)
11. Summertime Blues (Overdub)
12. Summertime Blues (Overdub)
13. Summertime Blues (Overdub)
14. Summertime Blues (Overdub)
15. Summertime Blues (Overdub)
16. Summertime Blues (Overdub)
17. Summertime Blues (Overdub)
18. Land Ahoy (Instrumental)
19. Land Ahoy (Overdub)
20. Land Ahoy (Overdub)
21. Land Ahoy (Overdub)
22. Little Girl (You're My Miss America) (Instrumental)
23. Little Girl (You're My Miss America) (Instrumental)
24. Little Girl (You're My Miss America) (Instrumental)
25. Little Girl (You're My Miss America) (Instrumental)
26. Little Girl (You're My Miss America) (Instrumental)
27. The Surfer Moon (Instrumental)
28. The Surfer Moon (Instrumental)
29. The Surfer Moon (Instrumental)
30. Cindy, Oh Cindy (Instrumental)
31. Cindy, Oh Cindy (Instrumental)
32. Cindy, Oh Cindy (Instrumental)
33. Cindy, Oh Cindy (Vocal Take)

I missed this thread in January...

John, I have an old duophonic pressing with a weird artifact on it. After the fade of Moon Dawg there is something in one of the channels that sounds like a boys' church choir, very faintly. Is that on this pressing, too?

Will check when home.

So, are you at home yet?

No; a long way from home…

… please don't burgle me.








My dogs HATE burglars even more than they hate being left alone without raw meat for three days!

So to find your house I just have to walk around with raw meat in my hand and listen for the barking?

… while wearing a bulletproof vest and a stealth cloak - forgot to switch off my iBastard defence system before leaving. Sigh… :)

I got the CD through today, if you have this stuff on bootleg then there is no real point in getting this.

Home and checking…

Nope… nothing.

Unless you've only got the CDR version...