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seriously... when did they start including Stamos in the official publicity shot? this is the photo they're using to promote this weekend's Biloxi shows. I'm pretty much speechless.

http://beaurivage.com/entertainment/entertainment_headliners_detail.aspx?id=2341

More Fuel onto the fire... >:D

Isn't that shot of Stamos quite poorly photo-shopped on to an existing picture of Mike and Bruce ?

These pictures were taken before the tour, they were contractually obligated to use these pictures and are merely living up to their contractual obligations! We've known they were going to use Stamosy, beardy Mike PR shots since JUNE at least. This is old news!

Or something.

Mike would be pretty awesome as Mephistopheles in FAUST with that look. I'd love to see him appear in a blast of smoke and fire on stage.

Methinks, by most, 'twill be confess'd
That Stamos is never quite a welcome guest.

What dazzles, for the Moment spends its spirit:
What's genuine, shall Johnston inherit.

STAMOS LOST A HAND HE CAN'T PLAY GUITAR ANYMORE YEAH!  :3d

that's sooooo poorly photoshopped. oh my god.

It also looks like they photoshopped Mike Love's face... onto Mike Love's face.

BURN THEM ALL

Whoa man, not going pyro over this.

Mike and Bruce are starting to come off like the Michale Myers mask. Just faceless, soulless death personified......

The endless summer will do that to a man.... :hat

When did Burl Ives become a Beach Boy?

Stamos' Forever > Dennis' Forever

Are Mike n Bruce gonna sing along to a clip of Stamos singing along to a clip of the 50th Beach Boys singing along to a clip of Dennis and then the clip goes off the rails and Stamos will come out and save the day, and then the clip will go off the rails and Stamos will come out and save the day??

It's like the C50 tour changed nothing.

Were back to where we began

From Austin media prior to their show:
http://www.kvue.com/entertainment/slideshows/The-Beach-Boys-John-Stamos-come-to-Austin-172843411.html (http://www.kvue.com/entertainment/slideshows/The-Beach-Boys-John-Stamos-come-to-Austin-172843411.html)

Of course, the inevitable queston:

There were reports Love, who legally owns the band name, fired Wilson and the others at the end of the tour. Love says that’s not true.

“Like they said, I fired my cousin Brian, come on, I can't fire him even if I wanted to, which I don't!” Love said. “We agreed to get together for a reunion tour that would last, it was to be 40 shows in the U.S. and 40 overseas. It was negotiated and agreed upon by all concerned that there would be a beginning and an end. It got misconstrued in the public.”

That's all. Huh huh...a misunderstanding, see? Dum dee dum..move along now. Nothing to see here!

BTW - the Stamos photos made me throw up a bit. Do you get the feeling that this guy has been itching and scratchin' to get back into the band? Man. Relentless. An absolute attention whore, that.

What's next? Stamos Forever - Ringo NEVER!

Wish we could carry out our protest plans in Austin.

So through all of this I haven't seen anybody ask this question--what the freak is wrong with Bruce Johnston?  Why does he continue to hitch his wagon to Mike Love, especially now? I mean, I guess we have figured out why Love does it.  But why Johnston?  He is independently the wealthiest of them all.  Does he not see the forest for the trees?  What is really in this for him to continue to choose Love over Brian and Jardine? 

Stamos is a cancer, best removed

Maybe it's because Mike knows how to actually make a buck and not lose money on his tours where Brian and Al are happy to play music for the music's sake, even if it means playing to half empty houses (or junior high school soccer fields in Al's case) and are a couple of, ya know, success haters!

Bruce kinda had nowhere to go, BB-wise anyway, after it all splintered in 1998. He either had to retire or stay on with Mike. If the various stories about David Marks being integrated into the band in 1997 are any indication, there was also a legal and/or PR motivation to have any other "actual" BB's in the band once Carl and Al were gone from the band. Hence, we eventually got the "Bruce has been touring with the Beach Boys longer than Carl Wilson or Al Jardine" comments from some fans.

I'm not sure I'll ever completely understand the vitriol for Stamos. I wish he'd stop playing drums, but I don't see what's any different about him playing guitar and singing vs. Christian Love doing the same. Do people just hate actors? I honestly think its cool that Stamos wants to do this, he's definitely making less money/feeding his "ego" less touring with "The Beach Boys" than he would be acting.

I think it's because it reeks of Mike trying to be "hip". What Mike doesn't understand is that nobody really thinks Stamos is hip. And it reinforces the idea that Mike is out of touch. And Stamos playing with them is also just lame because he doesn't really deserve to be up there. What did he do to deserve to play on stage with The Beach Boys. Even The Beach Boys kids deserve it more, because they actually PROVED they deserved it by proving their musical chops.

If Mike thinks that Stamos is hip then that`s his fault and not Stamos`s. I think it`s more that Mike thinks that Stamos sells tickets and this has proven to be true in the past.

Stamos seems like a thoroughly good guy and a genuine fan of the band. If I were going to see an M&B show then I`d be happy enough for him to be there to see Forever being performed.

Stamos was hip in 1990. ::)

Seems like Bob Saget is the hip one these days.

Uh, Christian Love is actually a good musician?

The Beach Boys kids are a good comparison. The clips of them at the bowl showed a lot of respect to the occasion and they performed in that manner. Stamos posing with his guitar is more fitting to a KISS or Areosmith concert and just makes him look like a wannabe. There are bands that have that image. Fine. But it ain't the Beach Boys, be it the C50 or Mike and Bruce line-ups.

John Stamos is the ultimate wannabe Beach Boy. The worst part is he tries to fill into the macho niche once occupied by Dennis Wilson. He fails at doing so to a complete extent.

His main value to "Mike/Bruce show" is that he brings in the good looking babes to the after show festivities.

One of the highlights of the reunion tour was when Stamos showing up and clowning was shut down at the request of the pros in Brian's camp...quickly and decisively, so that everybody could focus on putting on a great show.

Stamos plain sucks.

Yay! Now this board can go on for ever and ever!

It's not the image of the Beach Boys you want you mean. Because he does embody what the Beach Boys have been since the early-80s what with the cheerleaders, hot rods taking them on stage, leis, Kokomo, Stars & Stripes, surf boards on stage, Nascar album, etc. etc.

 When has he done that? Seems like you're creating reasons to hate him.

 
What? When? How? Show examples.

the only example needed: unlike Stamos, they keep his guitar plugged in.

ROFL!

by singing Forever in an utterly tasteless fashion designed to portray him as the macho/cool yet emotional Beach Boy, just what Dennis was during the 70's. Playing drums, and his unplugged electric guitar so that he can be more of a 'rock star'. Utterly disgusting the whole thing. I don't care if he loves the band, so do many others. It's just cheese meets cheese. too much goshdarn cheese!

Drawing a line in the sand when it comes to the BBs and cheese is always going to be a hotly contested matter of opinion. But as for Stamos, I thinly we can all agree. Too lame. Just... Far too lame

What? When? How? Show examples.
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by singing Forever in an utterly tasteless fashion designed to portray him as the macho/cool yet emotional Beach Boy, just what Dennis was during the 70's. Playing drums, and his unplugged electric guitar so that he can be more of a 'rock star'. Utterly disgusting the whole thing. I don't care if he loves the band, so do many others. It's just cheese meets cheese. too much goshdarn cheese!
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You got a bit confused there didn`t you...

Not having a personal dig at Stamos, he's probably a quite a nice bloke and a fellow Beach Boys lover, but having him on  stage is just totally unnecessary, musically and otherwise. The best thing he could do is understand this and keep his appearances to a minimum, introduce them at gigs occasionally, but not try and join the band...

If the kids don't hear the songs on tv the music will die...

http://www.kvue.com/video/featured-videos/WEB-EXTRA-John-Stamos-talks-about-performing-with-The-Beach-Boys-172893881.html

"John, I know you are a very talented musician in your own right..."  ^-^

Then when being asked about what it is he actually does onstage he suavely changes the topic to him 'promoting' the BBs on TV..  :lol


And ah yes.. Bruce back in shorts, of course.  :3d

This just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  Making Stamos so prominent immediately after the whole "Brian's fired" kerfuffle just seems to be another example of how clueless Mike can be about his image. Rightly or wrongly, it seems to be saying, "No, we don't want Brian, Al or David... actual Beach Boys... touring with The Beach Boys. But, look! We've got John Stamos pretending to be Dennis! Buy tickets, now!"

The one thing I don't understand is that the average household will not know the name Mike Love or Brian Wilson, but will almost certainly know who John Stamos is - so why is he always tagging along with them? It's just that he never looks like he's a star in that line-up. It's almost like take your kid to work day, and Stamos is there with a sheepish grin rawking out on an unplugged guitar.

My vote for "Ultimate Wannabe Beach Boy" goes to Chuck Williams "a.k.a BB1.

Take your kid to work day. Well said.
HEY...LOOKAT ME! I'M RAWKIN!

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John Stamos is a guitar god.

I think Dennis was splashing in his grave when this happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuCz8JeMhuQ

OMG, the disgrace - I'm scarred for lfe, I wish I could un-see what I've just seen ! What was that quote from Dennis himself about karma ?

Right. Because Denny would have nailed it in one take.




And by "it" I mean the female dance cast, of course.

lol..even mike Love has a disgusted look on his face.. :lol :lol now THAT'S funny!

Mike and Bruce seem very happy to be back to the old format

Splashing in his grave  :lol :lol

Until I saw the small written stuff of your post, I was gonna post exactly that... ;D


I had totally forgotten about that scene. Makes you wish Stamos would've stayed a little longer at that time he actually met Dennis...

One time I saw Bruce Willis sit on with the Allman Brothers... and it was just as lame.

I don't want to assume anything about what anyone out there knows about Stamos as a musician, but this isn't just a case of Stamos being a good musician, and fans being annoyed because he was the dude on Full House, or because he brown-noses Mike, or because he has an annoying stage presence. All those things are true, but he really seems to be a mediocre (at best) musician from the examples I've seen and heard. He plays guitar and drums as a hobby, not a profession. He does BB gigs for some extra attention and a taste of being a rockstar. Whether you watch him doodle on Full House or at BB gigs over the years, he just isn't a particuarly good musician, not up to par to any musician I can think of that has played in any BB touring lineup.

I wish I could dig up an interview David Marks did around 1999 or 2000 or so where he was asked about Stamos, and I recall that David was trying to be polite and diplomatic. I think he referenced something to the effect that Stamos may have the ability to be a good musician, but he just doesn't practice or hone his craft the way an actual professional musican does, most likely because his profession is apparently acting.

Stamos played drums the bulk of the first reunion show I went to, and it sucked. If he was playing in a bar band I wouldn't have noticed, but compared with Cowsill and D'amico's great drumming, it was really bad. Really really bad. Not that he was off time or anything, it was just really basic unenergetic, stupid drumming.

The other time I saw Stamos sit in was Atlantic City on July 4th, 2008 (I think). Cowsill stayed on drums the whole time, though, so Stamos played a second drumset. That was actually kind of cool. The "sheriff John Stone" drum and bass buildup in Sloop John B sounded great with two full kits.

Aegir is right on. This Stamos guy is half-actor half-musician but the final result is he does not excel in being either.

Does anyone know why Stamos still plays with them?
Does he bring out more cougars or something?
Is he just buddies with Mike and Bruce?
He probably demands more money than Brian.

Honestly...Stamos does what EVERYONE in this thread hoped and wished they could do.

I think most of us would probably practice a bit more given the chance.

Those of us who have played and recorded would probably try a wee bit to not act like such a goober on stage. Just sayin.

Yet...I don't see you or anyone else here on stage with them.

If I made it on stage with them, I'd just freeze in all the awesomeness.
Props to him for that.

Doo Dah - I've come to love the guy.  He is just so nice to the special needs people who go to the shows.  After teaching many years with people who don't even like kids, never mind special needs ones, afraid of them, even; I find him so awesome. 

If Carl Wilson found him OK, to play onstage with, so do I.  The young people just love him, and lots come to see Stamos, first, and the Beach Boys, second.  And, that is a fact.  Sorry, Beach Boys.   :lol.

And, ya, jealous? Ya think? 

Carl also played on stage in front of a bunch of cheer leaders..

Nobody really knows what he thought

Because he helps them to sell tickets. He`s done Mike and Bruce a lot of good over the years.

That's right!
I don't think the problem is with Stamos as a person. I mean what has the guy done? It's Mike completely hangin' on to him and building it up as part of the Beach Boys. It's totally that kind of cheese that the Beach Boys have caught up with since the 80s. Back then it might've been "in" (even if already ridiculous). But to not have gotten over this and still let this such a big part of the band is damaging, tasteless and sad.
But to make it clear once more: it's nothing against the person Stamos. He seems like a nice guy

SO MANY COUGARS.

No one knows what anyone else thinks, but, you might be able to infer Carl's general approval, and other members, having appeared on his and other TV shows.  

Cheerleaders might have been a means of revitalizing and appealing to a wider audience.  Nothing wrong with trying to freshen an act or striving for improvement...

What's wrong with cougars?

Oh yes, I was really against The Beach Boys growing up until I saw Carl playing guitar looking incredibly uncomfortable near some cheerleaders. That made me realize: wow, this is a vital, appealing group. I am part of their audience now!

Hi. I'm Joe Piscopo.

Nothing at all.
I'm a big fan.
Haha.
Maybe Mike and Bruce are too.
Hopefully at least.

I'm not defending it, I'm not agreeing with it, just an opinion....

In the 1980's, after Dennis and Brian were gone, a Beach Boys' concert wasn't the most exciting event, and that's when they really started to get the reputation as a traveling jukebox. Yes, they could've started THEN to improve the band and/or the setlist, but Mike took another approach. I really believe he wanted to give the audience, in addition to the music, "a show".

That's when the cheerleaders came on board, Billy Hinsche eventually donned a costume and rapped to "Wipe Out", Mike played his two note saxophone to "Shut Down", they did that little "spin" move to "Little GTO", fans who won a contest came onstage to sing "Barbara Ann" with the band, and on and on. That's about the time Stamos came along.

No, Stamos is not a good musician. It doesn't matter. That's not his role. He's a personality, a celebrity, a tool. He's a conversation piece; someone/something people can talk about and take away from the concert. I guess it's just Mike's way of giving the audience something extra. I'm sure Mike - and most fans - consider it a bonus when Stamos appears with the group. I think most of the audience at Beach Boys' concerts likes him.

I've always been surprised at the hate for Stamos from people on this board. Somebody above posted about Stamos' drumming (or guitar playing) not being good. Seriously, 99% of the audience can't tell the difference. Stamos isn't replacing anybody; I doubt he gets paid. Actually, I think Stamos performed with John Fogerty. While posters here don't even like the sight of Stamos, actually, for most of his acting career, he has been a popular personality. It's not like he's a polarizing actor in the mode of Sean Penn or people like that. Stamos is pretty harmless.

As a matter of fact, John Stamos has been very good to The Beach Boys in return, having them on his various TV shows, inviting them to his wedding, mentioning them in interviews, etc. How many other celebrities - or anybody! - has promoted The Beach Boys the way has. I can't think of one negative incident in all these years involving Stamos. It's been all good. In my opinion, of course. :police:

He's certainly a true fan. A real fan. A loyal fan. He loves the band and the music. And he just happens to occasionally be a jackass on stage. Again, everyone here bitching about him would LOVE to have such an opportunity fall in his or her lap.

Oh for god sakes. There are plenty of people that I could say I'm somewhat jealous of - but John Stamos isn't one of them. Good for him that he helps disadvantaged kids. He just comes off as a prat on stage imo, and if sizable percentages show up to just to see Stamos, well - there's no accounting for taste. I doubt your assertion by the way...

Hey, Russell Crowe and Billy Bob Thornton are both musician/actors. Both have infinitely more style, charisma and ah, musical chops than this sit com retread jackass. Both of them wouldn't (and don't) act like a gee-golly teenager when they're performing on stage. Some of us have style, and some don't.

Stamos would make a fine MC at the shows without performing if he really wants to go to the shows. But the way he does things now is like Mike Love pulling a PR stunt from 1992 with people indifferent to Stamos in 2012.

On the plus side, he allows The Beach Boys to go out on a high note and not tarnish or devalue their legacy.

Oh wait.

I always think it`s ironic when people mock Stamos about his guitar not being plugged in. It`s not like Brian`s or Bruce`s keyboards are audible at any time...

You are right about the drumming as well. The band had Mike Kowalski as the drummer for years and the audience didn`t complain. They won`t be complaining about Stamos`s drumming either.

Your first points may be true. Your last one is positively false, and I don't understand why some folks here repeat it over and over. Since when does liking a band mean you want to be a rock star onstage with them? I frankly couldn't imagine anything more unpleasant.

Brian and Bruce have done alot more in the songwriting, instruments, and singing department than Stamos. I also think the audience notices when Stamos drums, the songs get sloppier and out of sync.

Never say never.

If Mike gets John Stamos, Can Brian get Kevin Shields to lead the BW band in My Bloody Valentine style shoegazing?

He should just get Dave Coulier. That would be the funniest thing ever.

And now he needs a "hip replacement"...

...zing!

:lol *cue laugh-track*

Most people didn't notice it with Kowalski, who by the end was a *far* worse drummer than Stamos. Which is not to say Stamos is in any way good.

Stamos seems to be popular with some people -- when the BBs have been in the Twitter trending topics recently (Grammys, reunion announcement etc) and I've taken a look, an actual majority of the tweets have mentioned "Uncle Jesse", usually in some form like "WTF? Where's Uncle Jesse? How is this the Beach Boys without him?" or "The Beach Boys are reforming, but if Uncle Jesse's not there I'm not going!"

I think this is fairly obviously a terrible thing -- he has little or no musical ability, and seems incredibly annoying to me from the little I've seen of him (thankfully he's unknown over here and doesn't travel to the UK gigs). But it may well be the case that the audience that goes to Mike & Bruce gigs like him.

I think Brian (and Al & David) sold them a lot more tickets this year than Stamos ever has.

It's great that he's a fan and an attractive celebrity and a likable guy. Admirable qualities. Maybe he even gets a few more asses in seats. How does that qualify him to be an honorary Beach Boy, featured as a principal member in publicity shots? Promoting a band should not earn membership to that band, no matter how big a fan the guy is.

The real Beach Boys JUST got off the road and Stamos is already in the band's head shot? It's tasteless and tactless and I would honestly expect more from a true fan of the group. What true fan would want to replace Brian (and Al & David) in The Beach Boys??!!!

sure most of us might love to get on stage and play some tunes with our favorite band. maybe one time at a fantasy camp or by winning a contest or lottery of some kind. I don't think any of us would want to be on that stage instead of the actual living members of the band, nor would any of us convince ourselves that we are actually a Beach Boy or have any right to be.

It's all a bit battered person syndrome. I love John Stamos! I fell down the stairs, is all!

 :lol

terrible

I disagree with this logic. Yes, I'm a musician and it would be cool to play with the Beach Boys, but I don't bitch about any of the regular backing band. They're talented musicians and have my respect. Wouldn't it be cool to be in Totten's position? He's the musical director, he calls a lot of the shots. That's what Carl used to do!

This isn't a case of "well, if I can't have it, neither should he!" I wish I was in Al or Dave's position in 1961, or Bruce's position in 1965. Those are opportunities I would LOVE.

But Stamos in 2012? how can you even make the comparison?

I meant it in the sense of just being able to go on the stage with the band and be a jackass for two hours like Stamos does. Maybe you wouldn't be a jackass. Maybe you'd be very quiet and calm and sing along. But who wouldn't love to sing with the Beach Boys for one gig?

Yes, I think a lot of people would love to sing with the Beach Boys. but I think using jealously as a big reason people don't like Stamos is inaccurate.

there's a lot of other things to be jealous about when it comes to John Stamos. he has a lifetime pass to Disneyland. he used to be married to a supermodel. but do I complain about Stamos's role as a husband/lover or say he takes away from other people's Disneyland experience? no, because he probably does fine at those things. (well, he got divorced, but eh, so does everyone these days)

and for what it's worth I nearly got kicked out of a band because people were complaining that I was too calm and lifeless on stage.

I really don't mind if he makes a guest appearance and sings along for one gig. Or even a few gigs. But, tweeting that you're glad to be back with The Beach Boys and getting yourself included in the publicity picture goes just a bit too far towards pseudo-band member status.  And, no matter how hard John Stamos wants it,  he's just not a Beach Boy.

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I don't think he thinks he's a Beach Boy. I doubt even Michael considers him a Beach Boy. I know he's not a Beach Boy. As far as the publicity picture, who knows why that was the way it was? Besides, if he were to be considered a Beach Boy, that means you'd have to consider higher-profile sidemen like Daryl Dragon, Billy Hinsche, Ed Carter, Mike Kowalski, Joel Peskin, Mike Meros, Charles Lloyd, Adrian Baker, Richie Cannata and Jeff Foskett to be "Beach Boys".

He's talking about the shirt, right?

I'm sure there'll be plenty of good shows to come. With special guests. Good seats still available.

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Cut. It. Out.

 :lol  :lol  :lol

yeah that's it..the shirt...yeah. cough cough.

Now that I would actually see. :lol

We all know you praise The Luhvster like the Inca worshiped the sun. That's all good, but such fan loyalty doesn't have to extend to the utterly daft decision of letting a less-than-great actor join the band onstage. Even less so for the decision to STILL let him onstage after 20+ years. Perhaps if they let him go he might actually do, ya'know, some acting?
How is this Stamos guy famous? who the mighty f*** is John Stamos really? some guy from Full House? I've heard hardly anything but condemnation for that show for many years. How can some minor actor from the 80's still be riding that wave (No Beach Boys pun intended)?

He really was more than a minor actor. I didn't even catch the first run of Full House (tad too young), but people of my generation will automatically know who John Stamos is - that show was re-ran to death and everyone watched it. Honestly, Full House can be attributed to a lot of younger fans knowing who The Beach Boys are. This is a double edged sword, because most people now think it's all about the rah-rah-sis-boom-bah and clean family fun-in-the-sun songs. Maybe Love thinks he owes Stamos, or at least is thankful, for keeping the Beach Boys name circulating in those years when Stamos was the sh*t. Somewhere in heaven Carl is rolling his eyes...but the truth is whether you like it or not Stamos is tied to the Beach Boys name a 'lil bit. His popularity has slipped a lot since then - people still know Uncle Jesse - but it's still a big deal.

I just find it a little odd the way it looks when Stamos is on stage with the band - he's not owning it.

It has f*** all to do with praising Michael like the Inca worshiped the sun. It doesn't bug me personally if Stamos is on stage with them. It doesn't cause me any overbearing grief or stress. He's usually part of the meat and potatoes shows when he guests with them. It's 90 minutes of mindless entertainment. It could be worse. Not that he adds anything other than a face for cougars to admire...but still. The Beach Boys are not "our" band. The Beach Boys are "their" band. If they want Stamos up there, so be it. Don't see them in concert, stop buying their records, and get rid of all your merch if you have such a problem with what the Beach Boys do with their careers.

With David gone Van Dyke is the only man in the line up who could do "Getcha Back" the justice it deserves

And, while John Stamos is linked mostly with Mike Love (which is the main reason he is being hammered, if it was Brian Wilson we wouldn't be having this discussion), has anybody mentioned how Stamos chose to feature "Forever" on Full House. I give him a lot of credit for A) picking a then obscure song, B) from an album nobody had, and C) giving Dennis Wilson some recognition instead of the usual suspects, Brian and Mike.

That performance alone brought thousands of new fans to the Beach Boys - and eventually Dennis Wilson.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I don't get people hating on Stamos. Sure he's a joke but he's a Beach Boys fan, a hardcore one.

I remember he was talking to a TMZ reporter at his birthday party about the Beach Boys reunion and in the background you could hear "All I wanna do" playing over the speakers. You gotta give credit where credits due.

I think he's just catching shrapnel in the Brian/Al vs Mike/Bruce war. I'm on Brian's side and though I can see it's easy to hate on Stamos I won't. Has he hurt The Beach Boys reputation? Sure, Is he a bit of a Joke? Sure, Is he handsome as hell? Sure, but he hasn't doing anything to intentionally hurt the hardcore fan base. He's just a fan having a good time, like Foskett - but not as handsome

But....but...then he did this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuCz8JeMhuQ

The funny thing is, this is the Summer in Paradise lineup of the Beach Boys, VDP plays accordion on that album.

Yeah, that was pretty bad. But, it could've been worse. It could've been Brian Wilson in 1988 dancing to his smash hit, "Night Time". Night time is delight time, it's starlight time, and it's the right time for me. Ah-ooooooooh!!!!!!!

Stamos hasn't had the most illustrious post-Full House career, but he did have a lead role on ER for 4 seasons about 5 years ago. He's also stayed very active in the theatre scene in New York, with leads in Bye Bye Birdie, Cabaret, Nine, How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying, and Hairspray (no, not as Mama).

And Mike's not the ONLY musician to ever have Stamos onstage with him. John Fogerty played with him a year or so ago, and if he's good enough for Creedence, he's good enough for our Boys.

In all honesty, I don't personally care for the M&B version of the band, but they do have enough great musicians in there that John isn't going to ruin their sound or anything. He's as harmless as Taylor Mills and serves essentially the same purpose. Besides, I can say from the point of view of people just about my age (mid-30s), there are a huge number of people for whom Full House was our first exposure to the band, and that goofy Hawaiian-shirt-wearing, girls dancing version of them is the first thing we picture when you say The Beach Boys. Is it the version I ultimately came to love? Of course not.

In a way, it's like begrudging Adam West going to Comic Cons and appearing as "Batman". He's as much a part of the story as Christian Bale, and though he represents an incarnation of that character that most contemporary fans don't care to acknowledge, he's part of the reason the character remained popular.

Brian, yes. Al and David, probably not.

It is just a publicity shot. No big deal.

That. Can we end this discussion now?

Is it just me or has Brian almost systematically been setting Mike up to be the bad guy for going on 50 years?

He sets up others to always be in the position of blame should things go wrong, he is the "man behind the curtain" of his own life.
The thing is, all these guys had dysfunctional childhoods. They're screwed-up people, and their communication skills are abominable. They are all at fault, and the scale balances out in the end, or it will, after the full story is told (in my opinion).

I don't think he's said anything that wasn't true

Mike's been setting himself up as the bad guy, mostly through his unpopular opinions.

I disagree, I do think he ruins their sound when he is the only one playing drums.

+1

 No, this is too fun!  :lol

I see what you mean. I just can't honestly imagine Dennis, Carl, Al or Brian ever wanting Stamos in the band or even approving it. It's all up to Mike and his lakey Bruce. Then again we go back to the old discussion if Mike Love IS The Beach Boys (he certainly has the name issue sorted out). That, on the other hand, is a completely other discussion. I think the two are linked though.

Agree but I'm not sure how intentional it is [some at least probably] yet on the other hand he apparently deliberately does not correct that which he has left hanging undeservedly around the Boys neck.

But it's not the Beach Boys unless Ricky and Blondie are there! ;D

Well, Brian, Carl and Al have all performed with Stamos on many occasions. Or did Mike outvote them one-three?

In a recent interview with Stamos (with Mike & Bruce present) he claimed that Carl used to deal him various concert parts/duties. I guess Carl couldn't have been that miserable about Stamos being there. And remember, Carl was the peace-keeping guy of the bunch, anyway. I'd imagine Brian didn't really care, and who knows what Al thought/thinks about Stamos..

Brian himself has said that Michael IS the Beach Boys...so make of that what you will.

Good one.

http://youtu.be/sHaU5_RCdbY?t=29s

behind the scenes at a Beach Boys practice with Stamos

That clip is...eeek. I don't know what's worse...the bad mid-1980s television sets, the phoned-in "audience reaction", or the general horrible acting by all.

I like how Brian gives them the sheet music and then just walks off.

HAHAHAHA

Even Jack Klugman was disgusted.

My favorite moment of that episode is when Klugman minces around the set squealing that he wished he was a California Girl. Quincy would've gotten the lyrics right.

Oh my god.

I'd be happy to see the Mike and Bruce show if they came to Japan.  I wouldn't think of them as the Beach Boys, but as a couple of important Beach Boys playing Beach Boys songs...  and that's pretty cool! 

But if I knew Stamos was going to be there, it would not be a plus factor at all.  Every clip I've ever seen with him in it makes him look very distracting and annoying.  And it's even worse if he is promoted at a Beach Boy.  They should leave him at home so that they can concentrate on the music. 

I think it would to many other Japanese people though judging by how popular Full House still is.  :)

:lol

Al likes John Stamos.  He was at Al's solo gig earlier this year, right before the reunion shows started, and John was about to say that Al has the best voice of the remaining Beach Boys, but then stopped short of saying that when he realized cameras were recording.  But he had great things to say about Al, and Al was glad to have him there, I'm sure.

All true.  His drumming REALLY brought the energy level down, though.  He played like a once-decent drummer who had not practiced in a long time.  I don't have a problem with Stamos per se, and I appreciate the attention he brought "Forever," but if you sit behind a drum kit (as opposed to tambourine or rhythm guitar), you need to play the beat and the groove.  People may not know what the problem is, but they can tell the difference.

I suppose it was just a song or two on an otherwise quite good gig, so it's not a big deal, but it bugged me as an audience member and a musician.

This is why The Beach Boys are more respected in England, because most people who like the Beach Boys here will more likely know the name Brian Wilson and don't have a clue who John Stamos is thank god! :smokin

Fair point!  Although in my experience, the fanbase here is pretty Brian and Pet Sounds centered, which is why Brian plays here regularly and Mike/Bruce don't, and I don't know how much overlap there is with the BB fanbase and the Full House fanbase, or if Japanese BBs fans are even really aware that Stamos plays live with them in the US.

Say it ain't so! Full House is a global powerhouse that helps the M&B show stay relevant and "hip," connecting with youth!

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Everybody from California to Kokomo is diggin' the hot sounds of Jessie & the Beach Boys

I'm sure it would not be politic for a man in Stamos' position to implicitly denigrate Mike's voice while praising Al.

I really didn't miss anything not being alive in the 80's, Did I

Looks like those of us who were born after Full House have it the best since the early 70s as Beach Boys fans, then again I would have all that 80s cheese back if it meant Carl was still alive. :(

 :-\

Good point

Totally agree.  Stamos deserves a ton of credit for promoting and giving Dennis's song Forever a wide degree of exposure.  And Stamos always mentions Dennis when he sings Forever in concert.

and I will add that I do listen to the track just to hear Carl's unbelievable harmonies

Maybe the highlight of the album, one of Carl's finest moments, and rarely mentioned because of the reputation of SIP.

BTW, where's OSD been?

Did he beat Mike to the great Club Kokomo in the sky???

He got banned for using gay slurs against AGD.

Seriously?

Yes he said them after AGD implied that OSD had a small penis.

What!? How did I miss this?? :o

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,14464.msg326433.html#msg326433

Isn't the small penis implication not exactly cool either??

AGD once called me a racist for dissing BHO. He can say just about anything and wouldn't get banned.

Big double standard here at times.

I'd say.....

Who or what is BHO

BHO = Barack Hussein Obama, President of the United States of America. Or maybe BHO = Blatantly Humongous Oxen?

Well?  Are you?

None of your effin business, but what I posted that day wasn't even close to implying I was. By any stretch. Satisfied?

I may be atheist, yet I firmly believe God will bring judgement on Myke Luhv and his cronies.

Wow, I'll say. What gives?

Yeah, I'm satisfied.   I was just kiddin', Dave.  Shoulda put a smiley face up there.   ;D

No problemo, but if you want to fact check me, the thread got moved to the Sandbox. Long ago.

AGD is one of the forum's most informative contributors.  The amount of research he's put in and been kind enough to share with the rest of the board is quite generous.  oldsurferdude is a troll who enjoys misspelling Mike Love's name.  No double standard there.  While I agree, AGD's comment on that thread towards oldsurferdude was a little immature and out of nowhere, a person should be able to ignore that and get on with their life rather than feel provoked to take it to the next level.  

I think we should all shut the hell up with the name calling, and love the music.

edit: wrong thread

Yup, sure as hell said that. OSD, even though he bought Sunflower when first released (pause while we all gasp and bow in his general direction...) got to be a terminally tedious asshat with the anti-Mike sh*t. His sole, and I mean SOLE argument was "I don't like Mike Love". I don't recall him contributing anything else, if you can call that contributing. Rather like the annoying puppy that gambols around you nipping at your ankles - after a bit, you have a burning urge to see how far you can punt the little f*cker. Sadly, I couldn't do that, so I adjusted my insult generator down to his evident level.

Oh, and I have been banned from here, couple of Christmases ago. And rightly so.

What else is he supposedly supposed to contribute? This is a message board.... If you want nothing but dry facts/dates, go to your own site...

How about... opinions, thoughts, impressions, recollections, hopes, wants, questions ? In fact, anything other than "Mike sucks". But then, maybe that's all he was capable of.

However, the point is moot as the poster in question, thankfully, is no longer welcome here. [insert your deity of choice here] is good.  :)

Yeah, I know.... But if anyone ever asked, he did have some good stories to tell, but it was like wading through a cesspool in order to get to a water Lillie.

 You seem to forget that AGD invented The Beach Boys, even though his book includes the error that Mike is singing "in the sum-sum-summertime" on the fadeout of "It's OK"!  ( Hint: It was Carl.)

If that's the worst error in his book, that probably makes it the single most accurate book ever written about the Beach Boys, or about anything else come to that...

Just wait till Carol Kaye Featuring The Beach Boys: The Carol Kaye Story of The Beach Boys According to Carol Kaye by Carol Kaye Family and Friends comes out!

 ;D nice play.

Hawthorne Cougars?

I implore you, don't fight the sea.

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 :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Shamu in a cheerleader sweater with pom-poms nailed to her fins for "Be True To Your School"?  ... I can see it!

Alas, even in the revised edition of 2004, it's not.  There's an absolute lulu in there. :(

.

I'm only going to say this one last time...with OSD it was a combination of many things including trying to start fights with me. Oh , and nobody ever thought to ask this , but no his ban is not permanent. There is an expiration date.

Lol at that picture...

Hasn't Shamu killed a few people?
Heed your own advice Mike and "Don't Go Near The Water".

 It's still a very enlightening and useful volume.

morbid curiosity... what is it?

The Beach Boys Live At Seaworld 2013

Fins Fins Fins
I Float Around
Shamu's Big Chance
The Gills Washed Up On The Beach
We'll Swim Away
Don't Relieve Yourself In The Water
Shamu Goes To Kokomo
Let Shamu Go Wild And Kill People
I'm Bugged At My Old Whale Trainer
Add Some Plankton To Your Day
Got To Know The Whale
At My Porthole
Livin With A Dorsal Ache
Swim Swim Swim
A Young Killer Whale Trainer Is Gone
Feel Floats
A Day In The Life Of A Chunk Of Seaweed
Take A Load Off Your Fins
Whale On Whaler
California Saga: SeaWorld
California Saga: The Flippers Of Whales
Leaving This Crappy Theme Park
You Need A Mess Of Help To Swim Alone
Love Is A Whale
Shamuhama
Meant For Shamu

 :lol :lol :lol

:lol Post of the week!

You forgot "Amusement Sharks USA"

If you look very closely, sitting in the bleachers in the upper right-center, you'll see Al, Brian (in yellow shirt w/ white cap), and Jeff scouting the proceedings!  :o

Best post ever :-D

 :lol :lol

Fantastic

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/826116843/her-name-is-carol-kaye?ref=live

oh no.

Ha, if Jamerson gets credit, it won't be thanks to the person who has tried to claim most of James's signature performances.

.

What an epic fail - 2% raised out of a target goal. Hooboy.

Pledge $2,500 or more

All contributors get listed under 'Associate Producer' category during end titles, authentic crew cap, and get to spend the day on set with crew for interview with Carol. Get to ask five 'on camera' questions.

Pity. We should have chipped in and had Andrew ask the questions.  :p

http://seaworldparks.com/en/seaworld-orlando/Events/Bands-Brew-and-BBQ

This is pretty disgraceful. The "Beach Boys" mentioned in tiny letters somewhere under a picture of fried chicken!

I wonder if Brian's jealous with all that BBQ that will be going around....

Take a look at the other names that are playing this event on different days. Hall & Oates, Michael MacDonald, Sheryl Crow, Meryl Haggard, etc. It's not that low-paying of a gig if those other acts are playing there. They may not be Bruce Springsteen or U2, but that's a pretty good representation of middle-level acts that command good pay days.

Yeah, but this is THE BEACH BOYS we're talking about. Up there in that sacred trio of earth shattering bands (Beatles/Beach Boys/Stones) ... I love a lot of those other acts, but they are exactly that: middle-level....

"Be True To Your Tide Pool"

Dude, it's THE BEACH BOYS. They are U2 or Springsteen level. The only person who doesn't think so is Mike Love.

Indeed! And I'm the world's biggest Mike fan! I just think he's finally gone too far...

It's like "Wow, we just played Royal Albert Hall, what's next? Hey, Sea World sounds like the logical next step up, right"!!? ... Mike/Bruce playing state fairs is fine, no harm done. But SEA WORLD??? It's just beyond lame....

Unless they bring Al up all to do Don't Fight The Sea with Mike and Bruce underwater in a shark tank.... Or, I suppose Sea World is finally a logical place for Bruce to wear tiny white swim trunks on stage...

My problem with Mike in a nutshell, the BBs name should be nowhere near seaworld.

Absolutely right. To somehow think that this is what The Beach Boys should be is such a surreal idea....

Put it into perspective. The Beach Boys have been played the 'Seaworlds' (and worse) of the concert circut since they started.

Its just the way of the business and like it or not we just have to get over it. I look at it this way. In the 50's and 60's it was common for TV programmes featuring various artists, including the Beach Boys I guess, that were sponsored by tobacco companies. Sure, we can look back now and be disgusted but it was normal then. Its normal today to play these locations. I have a problem with casino gigs but the Beach Boys have been playing those for decades, including last year. Same with private shows. Hasn't Bob Dylan done these? I put him up there with the Boss and U2.

Hey as venues go, Seaworld could be worse.

http://c0026106.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/414165fbf75b4dcb841c51143f24a475_bandsbrewbbq5_780x438.jpg


Oh, and for anyone who wasn't around here in 2009, here is my 'concert low' of the bands career!

http://www.adn.com/2009/09/01/919310/band-brings-surfing-music-to-shores.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ja1d0yXGK4

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Fig 545376. The Threat of Endless Summer Hangs Over SeaWorld

I think this is at the crux of the issue that a lot of BB fans have with Love. 

And I still don't even see why it's an issue. It's a venue that will pay them to play, and has an audience that want to see them. Why should that be a problem for anyone?

It's lame because it's Sea World and no one's going to go to Sea World to see The Beach Boys. They're going to pay to get into sea world and then to get drunk and gorge on BBQ and then maybe stumble over to where Michale MacDonald or some other has-been is playing, but then wait "Holy sh*t! Is that Mike Love"??? ....



 

The Mike and Bruce show have played worse and smaller places than Sea World, I'm sure, and that was my point. Artistically, their fans may think the Beach Boys are up there with the Beatles and Stones. But Joe G. Public, who would be the typical person paying $75 and up for a ticket to a large venue, may not feel that way. I was under the impression that bulk of the venues the reunited Beach Boys played were not that large, overall.  Around 6-8,000 capacity venues. Not stadiums. Not even large indoor sports arenas, apart from perhaps some venues in Europe.

BTW, Michael McDonald has a pretty sizable following among a similar demographic as the Beach Boys. The Doobie Brothers and Michael himself far outsold the Beach Boys in records/CDs from the 1970s onwards. 

Yeah, that Shoreline thing is pretty bad, but at least it was so low as to be kinda punk rock. And they did it for free with no advertizing....

The footage reminds me a bit of this though:

http://youtu.be/Jj7pDNDuoJ0

Now its sounding good all of a sudden!

The story has this...

The unadvertised performance was sponsored by the bowling alley, which is under new ownership and booked the band for its customers and others, said manager Kelly Anderson

....which implies it was a paid gig. Good folks got it for free though. Don't know how many gigs get to Alaska.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wLB2OPtPFM

Whoa! :o

That band can use this defence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zHBN45fbo8

BB fans want them to be the Rolling Stones, Mike is happy with them being Herman's Hermits.

He probably is being more realistic, to be honest.

Wow it looks like it'll be a great gig!  :lol

Actually, Peter Noone's current incarnation of Herman's Hermits puts on a great show...and I don't have to mortgage the house to see them.

One argument to be made is that the reason the Mike "Beach Boys" play the venues they do and the reason the reunion tour wasn't playing even larger venues is because of years and years of diluting the trademark by doing 100+ shows per year, every year. Up to 1998, Carl and Al (and to perhaps a slightly lesser degree Brian) were part of this problem. I would say Mike continuing to tour after 1998 with a diluted stage lineup may have only hastened this dilution.

Exactly. There's a horrible snobbishness here which says that some people (mostly poor, rural or Southern people) don't deserve entertainment unless they're willing to pay a week's wages and drive hundreds of miles to a 'major market'.
If Mike and Bruce are willing to play more gigs, and play more kinds of venues, than McCartney or U2, then to my mind that's *a good thing*. That's hundreds of thousands of people -- *at a minimum* because they still play large places too -- who are getting to see a show they otherwise wouldn't have seen, which for many of them will be *more special* than the 'major market' show would be. If you only get to see one or two gigs a year, because no band comes within a hundred miles of your town, then you will remember -- probably for the rest of your life -- that time the Beach Boys came to town.
I entirely get why some bands don't want to play that kind of venue, but what I don't get is this attitude that says that bands -- at least good ones -- *shouldn't* play those venues. Poor people, rural people, people who for whatever reason aren't willing or able to spend huge amounts of money for a couple of hours' entertainment -- those people deserve nice things too. If those people aren't 'classy' enough for some fans, then frankly I think it's those fans who are the problem, not the people going to Seaworld or their local county fair or wherever to have a good time.

Indeed. The first time I saw Mike and Bruce play was at an outdoor show in North Wales in the U.K. at a venue that other bands just don't play at. It was nice to see lots of children and teenagers coming along to watch them and there's no way they would have travelled 100 miles to watch them at a theatre show.

I don't think The Beach Boys (even the 50th lineup) are in the same concert-seating league as U2, Springsteen, and McCartney - in this current day and age. Musically, I rate the Beach Boys above all of them, but being on a Beach Boys fan-board, we kind of elevate their status to megasuperhuge proportions. I don't think they should be playing the arenas that Springsteen plays. They have huge name-recognition and many hits, but let's face it - they have an older fanbase than even Macca, they aren't filling up stadiums.

It shouldn't really be important, either. Their musical legacy is more respected than it has ever been, and that's what matters - that's what will be left behind when we are all gone. The music. Who cares if Mike and Bruce are playing SeaWorld? And it's not like they're the only artists with huge hit records that are playing there.

All true. I wouldn't look up from my daily nap to see the Stones or Springsteen, but I'd watch the Beach Boys anywhere.  Who cares where they play? Why does it matter? The fact that they bring the music to everyone should be celebrated, not criticized.

Ah, the endless argument about the Endless Summer...LOL. The Beach Boys' story mirrors the fractious events over the past thirty-five years of American history--how something great got rather cheesy and lost its way due to success and excess, greed and torpor, shifting allegiances and back-stabbling in smoke-filled rooms (feel free to supply whatever materials are creating that smoke depending on your own predilections!).

I think Mike just wants to keep up his lifestyle, leave something for his (many) kids, and continue to defy the ravages of time for as long as possible. He's proud of his work ethic, and why shouldn't he be? Plus going out without Brian allows him to indulge as much as he wants/needs for being the focal point. His falling out with Al is partially a product of the fact that without Carl around to handle the "artier" songs, Mike would have to elevate him in the structure of the shows, which is something that goes against the historical grain of the band (particularly as Mike has come to define it). Bruce is a better foil for Mike these days--having similar politics doesn't hurt, either--and he knows he can't replace Carl as a lead singer, so he's more malleable to Mike's approach, which allows him to showcase "special guests" to sing songs that Carl would have been doing.

I think the BBs (full group, as in the C50 tour...) should do a special limited "Summer Reunion" tour every other year, in the years of USA elections, where their timeless message of good cheer, matchless BW compositions, and Mike's age-defying antics can distract people from the perils of politics for at least part of the summer. They should conclude the tour on the Sunday before the election with a benefit concert raising funds and "consciousness" for campaign finance reform--a cause really needing a spokesman, lemme tell ya!

I saw M&B at a local fairground in 2011. It was a good time but nothing like the C50 show. I just want all the guys touring together in great venues.

It's just something about Sea World in particular that is lame.... It's not a matter of me having a problem with them playing smaller, oddball places. As I said, state fairs are cool and speak to the American spirit that the Beach Boys are a part of. It's just SEA WORLD?? .... They might as well be playing LegoLand.

Only if they were celebrating the launch of a line of Wilson Family & Friends LEGOs. Hawthorne High sold separately! Collect 'em all.

Yes! With a Mount Vernon & Fairway set for Mike!

Or The Corn Palace, Mitchell SD ?

But who doesn't love corn? Certainly not the Lovester.

That Winter Party Dance Tour is a cool idea if a bit grim.

Hey, don't be dissin' on the Corn Palace. I been there. I couldn't resist the constant advertising that IMPLORED me to turn off the highway and visit this architectural wonder. And it IS cool...in a Cabinessence kinda way.

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I'm not sure why SeaWorld is considered any lamer than say, Disneyland. The ticket prices to get into Sea World are very high. It has a lot of animal displays (both land and sea life),  in addition to the animal shows, plus rides. The one in San Diego has an awesome indoor refrigerated penguin habitat, including the enormous emperor penguins, which are found in almost no other zoos or aquariums. Jack Hanna is involved with them. I'm sure Brian Wilson would gladly play a SeaWorld fest if they asked him, and I'm sure his wife and kids would be happy to go, not to mention his fans. Then, it would be a cool, kooky place so typical of eccentric Brian if it were he instead of Mike playing there.

why the hell do you guys want the band to be playing big expensive places? I wish they would play coffeeshops and basements! five dollars at the door to stand two inches away from them. that's the best way to see a band. you guys and your classic rock bias. the biggest place I would ever want to see a band play is something like Maxwell's, in Hoboken.

Look who showed up...


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Quite.

Any chance to take his shirt off

I think the situations are too varied to make any blanket statements about ticket prices, venues, and proximity to rural or urban areas. The Mike/Bruce show isn't always just a cheap alternative. I've seen them book shows in my area that are very expensive, and I don't mean oddball charity events or anything, but just regular bookings in regular mainstream venues. As with most live shows, they charge as much as they can in each venue and each area.

More importantly, we also have the continuing semantics issue of Mike using the band's name. He can do all of this "bringing the music to smaller markets" thing under his own name. Would less people in those areas see and hear the show if it's not called "The Beach Boys?" Surely, but at that point, if they were not interested enough in the music in the first place to know that Mike Love's show is full of Beach Boys music, then I don't think anyone needs to bring that music to that particular audience.

I'm not suggesting everyone should quit touring and retire, but I 100% disagree with Mike Love's comment in his LA Times piece that playing small markets each and every year is crucial to keep up awareness of the band's music. There's no question that playing live gigs would likely only draw more fans in. But the Beach Boys' legacy, like other big-name bands, would survive even if they didn't tour every year, and even if they didn't do over 100 shows per year.

It would indeed but as you've said the gigs do draw more fans in so they do play a part.

Absolutely -- I've actually only seen Mike & Bruce playing medium sized or large, relatively 'classy' venues with relatively high ticket prices, myself. But nobody here is complaining about them playing Warwick Castle or the Manchester Apollo. They're complaining about those other shows. They're complaining about county fairs and Seaworld.


Why not? Should we perhaps have a quiz on the door of all concert venues, with people turned away if they don't know all the band members' names?

The bulk of the Beach Boys' audience has *never* known the names of the band members, other than maybe Brian, or at least that's been the case post-Endless Summer. It doesn't mean they don't like the music and won't enjoy the show.


That's true enough. But a lot of people -- including Mike and presumably Bruce, but also the audiences -- would miss out on an enjoyable experience, and nobody would actually gain anything.

But really, who the hell will get through life not knowing who The Beach Boys are unless they stumble upon them at Nutty Jerry's or Sea World? .... Has anyone forgotten who The Beatles are over the past 43 years, and I don't see them booked at Sea World?

If this were 10 years ago or so, I'd be much more enthusiastic about a theoretical "tour every two or three years" idea for the full lineup. But these guys are fast approaching their mid-70's. They've had great longevity, and they could well last another decade or more. But as each year passes, the chance increases exponentially of something happening that will render a five-man reunion lineup impossible.

Sure, some of the argument is just a sort of surface, kneejerk reaction to playing an apparently tacky venue. Some of those criticisms hold more water than others. For me personally, the only point at which I care about the discussing of "needing" to play small venues and smaller markets is when Mike uses it in a statement to the LA Times as one of the reasons to discontinue reunion shows in favor of his smaller version of the band. I certainly don't think it's worth dismantling the reunion lineup in order to play "Seaworld" instead of a large venue in a metropolitan area. Of course, as I've said before, I question how much if at all the supposed altruistic idea of playing "smaller" venues and markets is really a factor in moving back to the two-man BB lineup.

I don't know anything about Maxwell's, but I agree with you.

It's not just about knowing who The Beach Boys are though, it's also about going out to buy their music (or downloading it). There will be some people at outdoor shows who know only a little about the group before seeing the live show and then go on to become bigger fans. It's the old fashioned attitude of, 'the people who see us in concert will buy our album'.

Now obviously Mike's main reasons for touring are presumably money, the limelight, the girls etc. but bringing the music to a wider audience is a happy by-product.

You are absolutely right, but also: allowing their mystique and legend to grow based upon their catalog/reputation would also lead to record sales as it has for countless other bands.... Can't blame Mike for keeping at it for the girls and the limelight, but just think he'd get all that in an even bigger/better way if he didn't tour so relentlessly and make fans wade through Sea World to get to the gig.

Mike is also running his voice into the ground with all the touring. The C50 interviews even showed his speaking voice is rough from all the touring.

And how do we know Brian hasn't been asked to play Sea World? I honestly don't think he would... Brian and his band are willing to go out and lose money but play less insulting places and retain some dignity.... I think Mike and Bruce actually have the better band, so it sucks to be saying this... I mean, Springsteen could go play some local bowling alley saying that he needs even more people to know who he is and buy his records, but what's the point? He's already Bruce Springsteen!!!!

What's the lowest Brian's ever gone venue-wise?

Opening act for Paul Simon Tour 2001 for me.

That bar mentioned in the H&V book where Brian(circa 1978-1982) played piano for beer.

And that's fine and good, and that's what they want to play. And it's what I want to see -- I like seeing long theatre shows where the slower, more complex music fits better. I know Brian's band don't want to play county fairs and don't see why anyone else *would* want to -- and I actually agree with them.

But because they don't want to play those venues doesn't mean it's bad for other people to play them. Because I don't especially want to see the band play at SeaWorld or wherever doesn't mean that no-one should, and I think it's odd that people seem to want to impose their personal taste on the hundreds of thousands of people a year who go and see Mike's band and enjoy it.

People will go to this SeaWorld show, they'll have their beer and barbecue, look at some marine animals, and see a great band play a load of songs they know and love. It won't be great art. It won't compare *in any way* with how I felt last August watching the band performing I Just Wasn't Made For These Times at Wembley, or how I felt seeing Brian live in 2002 when he opened with a medley of Smile material, or for that matter with seeing Mike and Bruce doing Til I Die and All This Is That in 2004 or 2008.

But not everything *has* to be great art. I bet it'll be fun, and that everyone who goes along will have a great time. They'll sing along to I Get Around and Fun Fun Fun, and maybe one or two of them will hear something like In My Room for the first time and be pleasantly surprised at how much more there was to the band than just the surf and car songs. But even if they don't, they'll enjoy themselves.

I don't care about "bringing the music to people" or "making new fans" -- I couldn't care less who likes the Beach Boys, except insofar as them having an audience at all enables me to see the shows and buy their records. But by the same token I couldn't care less how 'dignified' they are. The Beach Boys have *never* had any dignity -- why on earth should they start now?

Didn't that book also claim Brian was living at the bar as well?

Yeah, very well put and on the money.... I guess it's us geeks who try and give them dignity... For me it was the baseball game shows of the early 80's that signaled the end.....

I need to know how that came together..

How weird

I think I read at the time that Simon was impressed by Brian and his band at the TNT Tribute show (where Simon played a lovely solo acoustic version of Surfer Girl) and asked for them as support because of that.

Whereas Brian ruined his with drugs and smokes. But that's OK, cause, y'know, it's Brian...

If it was Brian playing SeaWorld, I'd guarantee the fuss would be roughly 1% of what it is now. Fact: from 1962-1998, The Beach Boys played venues ranging from Pandora's Box to the Washington Mall and all points inbetween, which included a sh*tload of county fairs, baseball games, highschool sock hops and other such non- prestigious venues. The equation is very simple: venue offers enough cash and fulfills the terms of the contract, band will play.


I have to disagree with the notion that Brian's management are content to do that... and anyway, it's the promoters that take the major hit. As for less insulting places... Brian's played casinos.


I would respectfully disagree with that. The lineup of the C50 band would support me.  ;D

Re: the Paul Simon tour, for me the funniest thing was Brian's people turning themselves inside out at the time insisting that he wasn't opening for Paul but that they were co-headliners. Yeah... right. There's some interesting tales to be told about that little jaunt.

Brian played the Pullayap Fair in Washington and as well as numerous Indian and Nevada casinos (including at least one Vegas casino gig that was off-strip, as I recall, which is lower class than on-strip, while Mike was playing the Beach at Mandalay Bay, which is higher-prestige in Vegas gig terms). Not every venue Brian's played has been "classy."

Of course they have been !! Don't you understand, this is Brian-fucking-Wilson we're talking about - absolutely EVERYTHING he does is the epitome of classy !!!!!!!!


Lil' sarcasm there...  ;D

Didn't he play some private shows, like some rich dude's birthday or something, recently?

Not recently, but Moscow for sure a few years back, and the Bahamas too, I believe.

But that's OK, that's cool, 'cause it's Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

I'm sure all here get my point, but just in case, I've not suddenly been lured to The Dark Side (it would take Karen Allen to do that...) but just standing up for truth, justice, fair play and the American Way.

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AGD, I agree completely that the reunion band takes the prize, but I meant if it's between Brian's solo gig band or the Mike/Bruce crew, I'd go with the Mike/Bruce band all the way. Mainly for Cowsill.

I'm a massive Mike fan, so if Brian was playing Sea World, I'd be of the same low opinion... In fact, it would be worse because Brian would likely look miserable whereas Mike owns every damn stage he steps foot on.

As long as the band and venue owner make money, the venue has good acoustics and a decent sound system, the fans have a good time and don't have to spend a weeks wages to see them I fail to see what the problem is. The only people that seem to take issue are the music snobs.

Knowing Brian, he might just randomly make the seaworld show one of his career best. A live album could come out of it.

I don't see the problem with the venue, either. At all.

I think so, its the story where Brian went missing in San Diego for a while.

Plus, Cowsill is a flat-out great guy.  To use a food analogy, if M&B are Arby's (and I loves me some Arby's), then Brian might be (on a good night) fine dining, and an exclusive diet of haute cuisine soon palls. I love the phrase 'music snobs'. I'm guessing they're the same folk who have extreme top-end hifi systems yet listen to the signal path, not the music.

He is. One of the nicest people I've ever met, and he's definitely a better drummer than any of those that have played with Brian's band.
But on the other hand, Mike's band doesn't have Probyn.
My own take on the two bands is that Brian's band sometimes sound less enthusiastic than Mike's when playing the surf and car material while Mike's band can't reproduce the subtle textures of the Pet Sounds/Smile type material like Brian's can. Both bands do both things very well, but Mike's band make music for dancing while Brian's make music for listening might be the best way to put it.
Personally I'd choose Brian's band every time out of the two (though the reunion line-up was *exactly* the group I'd have chosen if I'd been asked), but then I'd choose Brian's band over any band I've ever heard, so that's not a reflection on Mike's band.

"Less insulting places"? Insulting to whom?  Probably not the people who go there and get the chance to see the Beach Boys. Some families are on a budget.

As for the ball game shows, that gave me a chance to see them four times in seven years in San Francisco that I otherwise would not have been able to - and meet Les Chan in the process.

Playing off-Strip venues in Las Vegas is not a terrible thing either.  During our time there 2006-12, the Beach Boys played over-priced glitzy places like the Mandalay as well as The Orleans, a great establishment a mile off the Strip on Tropicana.  Nothing wrong with that, nor the Suncoast, where Al Jardine has played, or The Cannery. for example.  And let's not forget, the reunion concert I attended was at the Red Rock, which is as far west of the Strip you can go and still be in Las Vegas. Being on the Strip usually just means you're paying a lot more than you need to.

Exactly.

Care to digress?

My dad had a saying...'Son, champagne and sh*t is nice for a while, but sometimes you need a shot of whiskey to cleanse the palate'. Funny part is, he had stopped drinking before I was born, but said that analogy fit just about any situation.

I'm a massive Mike Pinder fan.

I don't care what type of theatre-auditorium-stadium the Beach Boys play, so long as the performance is good and the tickets reasonably priced.

Its a funny old world. The SeaWorld show, where you pay for a ticket as part of a day out, is being mocked. Heres a thought. Free July 4th concerts of the early 80s. Classy or not classy?

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Man, I knew I'd get crucified..... And AGD, anyone who pays top dollar to listen to a signal path is an idiot..... However, I am the guy you mocked with delight for being too thick to let the KTSA/BBS85 CD play out before concluding "Male Ego" was not included, so you just may be onto something....

I'd imagine bands can be both too exclusive and wallet crushing (The Eagles) or too cheesy (Beach Boys/Sea World) ..... It's a bit disingenuous to sit back and scoff at all the music snobs here on THIS message board. I could throw any number of stones in any direction on most any thread and find many many worse examples of so called music snobbery than simply taking the piss out of Mike/Bruce for playing Sea World. What was that Jesus quote about casting stones? C'mon guys! ..... The only time I ever saw The beach Boys with Carl was at a private party in the Capitol Records parking lot for the box set release where they trucked in piles of sand and made an impromptu beach right there in the lot. I guess that was cheesy as hell, as were the cheerleaders who came out. I thought that was cheesy too but loved the show anyway. Am I not supposed to have an opinion about the cheerleaders? I might not have until I saw Al shaking his head and rolling his eyes more than once, so that's life. Not everyone agrees with every decision but the show goes on either way.....

Your'e right there.......Us! ;D

No crucifying considered, Pinder.  Just pointing out that there a lot of good venues to see the Boys, some hoity-toity and some not.  We saw them at the California Expo in Sacramento and the Sonoma County Fair in the 80's as well as those shows at Candlestick in SF.  My only complaint was Brian wasn't there, but I didn't really expect him to be.  We moved back to California from Guam the end of 1998 and so missed the Boys, who stopped by there sometime later durning an Asian trip, I guess it was. Some of our friends were there and confirmed it was a good show - - Jeff's Pirates Cove at Talofofo Bay, hardly the top venue for world-class bands but there they were. Great burgers, yes.  Red Rock Ampitheater, no. Fine show?  Evidently. People pleased?  Most definitely. (We used to have Easter sunrise services there, and let me tell you there is nothing like sitting on the beach facing east and seeing the sun come up over the Western Pacific Ocean.)

I share the dislike of cheap contrived venues with sand hauled into parking lots and cheerleaders and all that, which make the band a caricature, with all the proper costuming and accoutrements, like they can't play a set otherwise.  The early-and-mid 70's proved that one wrong, as did the Reunion tour. Just give me an authentic show at an affordable price, with a good set list from 1962 onward, and I'm happy.

See, that's a different matter to me. Where the band plays, what kind of audience they attract, I don't think people should be criticising that. But it's *absolutely* fair game to criticise aspects of the show, like cheerleaders, or Mike's between-songs banter, or the setlist choices.

Where a band plays is absolutely an important matter.... Especially when you're an up and coming band trying to establish yourself and you're trying to cultivate an image and a type of audience.... Anyone who's been or is in a band will tell you.... The Beach Boys are different in that they are "America's Band" and basically anyone/everyone will likely be a fan to whatever extent. And in this Mike is right. There has never been a pretense of "cool" with The Beach Boys and any such thing has been forced upon them by fans who basically want them to be a different band/different people than they are..... If I lived near Sea World, of course I'd probably go see the show and have a blast, but this doesn't mean I can't have an opinion or think Sea World is a lame place to play. It's a simple opinion and not that important..... I mean, if Mike's between song patter annoys someone: combine that with Sea World and you have the makings of a not very impressed example of a potential new fan or two or three or four or five and on and on and on.....

We should pass around a till and get OSD a top seat at this show, however!

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Looks like Mike and Bruce are already at Sea World messing around pre-show!

I like cheerleaders. A lot. I used to date one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJIlUgqAiNY

The one second from the right is happening.

Bruce needs to pistol-whip the shark to escape!!!! Also glad Bruce brought back his 1990s mondo-combover.

If they'd used cheerleaders like THAT in the 90's, no one would have complained!

One question: when Mike's trailer's a rockin' does Bruce come knockin'?

And the same group that recorded this song could also do a song like this....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46IQu0yuJzU

The Beach Boys are a weird 'band'.

Agreed, this made the 1990s BBs with cheerleaders shows look classy.

That's why they rule. I'd love to see the cheerleaders dance to that too, tho.

Totally, the duality of the BBs is a huge part of what makes them awesome. Til I die with cheerleaders would be quite the sight to see, hopefully the cheerleaders would also dance to Smiley Smile or Holland. :lol

I think you mean 'divulge'.  :-D

I'm gonna blame that one on the iphone..   ::)

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Hrrmm, anybody want to take bets on the odds that we'll actually get a follow-up to this that actually conveys actual information about the "jaunt" rather than simply telling us that such stories exist?

In the absence of actually hearing those apparent stories, I will substitute the one story I know from that Paul Simon tour. This may well be completely common knowledge, but I learned a few years after the tour that they attempted to get both Paul and Brian on that "Dollar Bill" poster they sold during the tour, but evidently Simon or Simon's people wanted nothing to do with a poster featuring an epic depiction of money with Simon's face right on it. I know, not terribly interesting, but at least it's an actual story rather than a description that stories exist.  ;D

I have no idea where that clip is from - and the cheerleaders are alright, btw - but it is sad seeing The Beach Boys...or is it the Beach Boys - playing a small stage like that, wherever it is. Looks like the kind of gig my band would do.

I remember reading stories about that tour at the time it was happening, that were posted around. I can't remember the specifics. But Brian's management didn't come off too well in the telling. I think the Wilson people went into that tour really believing they were co-headliners, though it was clearly a favor Paul Simon's people were doing to give Brian more exposure by asking him to be Paul's opening act, which made it sad that the Wilson folks were so resentful of Paul Simon.

Exactly. Thank you.

I can dig that, but I think it is kinda cool. Reminds me of the One Man's Challenge clip of them doing Safari. Back to the basics.

AGD withholding the goods  ;D

That's interesting. At least Brian's people understand he opens for nobody

Yeah, that's true. Brian opens for nobody. But I'm sure Paul Simon regretted even asking Brian on that tour in the first place. They really aren't musically compatible and I wonder what kind of reaction Brian got outside of whatever fans came just for him. I'd have to think people may have been mystified by a guy sitting at his keyboard, not playing it, and looking uncomfortable.

Shady - I realize that people have their rightful preferences, but, we're basically all "Brian's people."  ;)

Apart from Paul Simon.

 :lol :lol

But they were duped  ;D

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/on-the-town/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/2/16/exclusive_backstage_.html

I can't get the video to work. Anything new?

New facts for me...

-Bruce Johnston is a vegetarian
-Bruce Johnston is a country fan (and not really a Turtles fan...)
-Mike and Bruce both tried and succeeded in dodging reunion questions

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Bruce is crazy.  ;D

Click on the video; when that doesn't work, scroll below the video to where it's listed as one of many  and hit that, it should work then; did for me

The setlist is up on lastfm from Seaworld...nothing surprising but, has anyone seen any from the other Florida shows? Curious as to any changes.

In her flirty, "I love you guys" way, the reporter actually snuck in some good questions. Referring to them doing their "Mke and Bruce" thing, which made Bruce quickly interject,"we're The Beach Boys," as well as asking about the process of writing new material, which forced Mike to completely change the subject, as he obviously did not want to mention Brian at all. For those who are upset about the reunion not continuing, it was interesting to see this kind of interview, in which Mike and Bruce had to deflect questions about the future--yes, we're The Beach Boys, but we're also not The Beach Boys at the same time.

Is Bruce really a vegetarian?

Only because he avoids the meat of interviews

Yes. See this interview, for example -- http://www.angelfire.com/art/jhproductions/johnston.html .

Paul Simon is one of the biggest assholes in show business.

Got it working. Thanks!

'Mike and Bruce little tour'! Countless comments over the years on this site but she came up with a zinger. ;D

They said nothing. . . .what Zen masters.

*sigh* least I got MIC to look forward to.

well, better that they said nothing than something definitive about that all being "over"

Yes, he is. There's a veggie burger recipe from him somewhere online.

don't worry man, that aint The Beach Boys, just two of their less likable members doing their songs

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Set list for Hard Rock Live, Hollywood, FL 2/18/13

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Nothing new, if not the separation of SloopJB and WIBNice.

As I expected. No 3 album last year?  Nada!

Well, I'd love if their recent work would get some promotion. But I doubt Brian, Al and David will play anything from TWGMTR

How long before people start going apeshit because "Mike is stealing the setlist from the C50 tour?"

I don't know if it has been posted before:

Full SeaWorld show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81sslMEFf8c

Thanks!

The new break in "Do it again" (here at 4:00) makes you realize how special the last year was. This can't compare with the full harmony sound that was part of The Beach Boys' shows.





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But I guess people will complain that he and Bruce seem to wear 50th anniversary celebration hats

Cool, thanks for sharing that.  On a side note, the lone comment posted to that video should come as no surprise...

Nor should the second.

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Let the man speak his mind! Already got run off here for the same thing IMO.

No-one's stopping him speaking his mind, though.

It was a pretty good concert. The harmonies seemed a little thin. Obviously I'd gotten a little too used to hearing Al in the blend again.

That's rough.

Mike looks well though

Agreed, seeing the C50 crew do these song justice was fun while it lasted.

I can actually see advantages to both ways -- there's a lot to be said for the "wall of vocals" approach on last year's tour, where every vocal part except some of the leads was essentially triple-tracked live, but I also quite like being able to pick out each individual voice and hear what it's doing, and with the exception of Christian Love all of Mike & Bruce's band are very fine singers.

I actually think the Mike & Bruce band is missing far more instrumentally than it is vocally -- and that's not a knock on the instrumentalists in their band at all. It's just that two synths can't possibly substitute for real trumpet, sax, french horn, vibes, percussion, harmonica and so on. Bruce and Tim Bonhomme can't possibly, between the two of them, cover all the parts that Probyn, Nelson, Darian, Paul Mertens and Scott Bennett covered without cutting corners.

Mike & Bruce's band are capable of some very, very good vocal work, as anyone who's heard them doing Til I Die, All This Is That or Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring will attest, and to my mind if they just replaced Christian Love with Al Jardine they'd be pretty much perfect on the vocal front.

Well its a Brian show with guests so a few obscure songs other than the hits often make the list. A chance for 'Summers Gone' depending on the audience maybe?

I don't mind Christian's voice, and I think he sounds good on some stuff, but his stage presence sucks.  He just looks so bored, like he'd rather be anywhere else than playing in his dad's band, and he half-asses his vocals.

Yeah -- he's a lazy, lazy singer. Which is a shame, as he has a very good voice.

His Carl-like tone is great when he does try.

OSD LIVES  ;D

His youtube comments are keeping it real.... :hat

As are mine. I'm so happy to have a new dartboard, sans moderation.

And I'm happy I'm all stocked up on popcorn.

He just wants attention, though. I shouldn't be giving it to him, so he can just fade away.

On the other hand, that video is pretty bad stuff.

I'd say that video was average. There were some vocal moments from the band as a whole that made you go...woah. Personally, I thought Bruce sounded great and it was nice to hear him stick out in the mix much more than an the reunion tour...still convinced his keyboard isn't turned on however.

As for the setlist above from hard rock, thank you for posting. It's certainly a bit more spicey than this show. I like Bruce's lead on "Wendy" and "Disney Girls" and John Cowsill on "Darlin". I've actually never heard "Dance, Dance, Dance" live, so hopefully that one sticks around for the concert I'm going to this summer.

It's a fairly poor show by their standards, yes -- definitely an off day, although I can't imagine it was particularly easy to perform in that venue -- sounds like the acoustics are terrible, and I can't imagine they could even hear themselves particularly well.

Bruce's keyboard is definitely in the mix, though -- there are several points where you can definitely hear at least three hands playing keyboards. In general, Bruce has played a reasonable amount ever since Cowsill switched from keyboards to drums in 2006. He didn't play much on the reunion tour, but that was very much a reversion to the way things used to be rather than a reflection of how the Mike & Bruce band operate.

I can't get over the feeling the M&B band sound like a half decent Beach Boys garage cover band.

The harmonies and instruments sound so stale, flat and boring. Nothing will stop Mike, he has a lot of ex-wives to support. More power to him.

Most notable place where Bruce's playing makes a difference -- 1:17:12, Good Vibrations chorus. Bonhomme's playing all the organy, thereminy stuff, and then Bruce comes in on the "Boy From New York City" clunky piano chords.

My problem with M&B's live act in a nutshell. They are a shell of what the BBs should be and last year's C50 proved that. Did M&B bridge the gap between Carl's death and C50?, yes.  Were they are a great live act in doing so, no.

Well said.

Do I realise the reunion is over? Yes! And I am truly grateful we all got to see it.

That said, I am also disappointed in Mike for some of his actions. He was REMARKABLE on stage but offstage he showed us the greed and manipulation that for whatever reason dominates his life.

I don't support Mike and Bruce but they definitely deserve each other

That's what they sounded like in 1966, though.

No, they were a fantastic garage band in 66

And of course the harmonies were incredible

Really? I think they sounded awful in 1966. Lei'd In Hawaii is even worse.

I'm going to get in and say it before others do but for a 6 piece they can be very good and, more or less, have been since Mike and Bruce went out on their own. The difference now is last year as a 14-15 piece the Beach Boys can be out of this world!

And this is from someone who couldn't give Mike and Bruce the time of day. ;D

At times they have been. I would put the show I saw in 2008 in the top ten or fifteen gigs of my life, for example.

No doubt they were great when you saw them, the tour with David upped their game to a high level.

spot on.

I just don't feel nor perceive any love in this M and B show. . . . .missing D, B and A at every turn. . . . .just too damned sad.

Those 1966 Michigan shows are rough going with bad playing and Mike talking away about nothing. The BBs really lost something when Brian stop touring with them, the garage punk sound of 1964 was the real BBs.

The hawaii shows are such a bummer, the original 5 could have gone out on top with a classic show with Brian on bass. Instead, we got the BBs stoned out of their minds and a dark preview of the future for the group.

Ouch! Spot the mistake time.

http://www.fortmcmurraytoday.com/2013/02/19/beach-boys-to-play-macisland

I should explain myself better.
No new songs that we haven't heard live before, but still good to see Getcha Back, Darlin', When I Grow Up, Ballad of Ole' Betsy and Disney Girls still in the list.

i think the setlist was mostly his with additional input from others concerning the 'artistic music' inclusions

After watching the video...

Scott seemed to have an off day, vocally. I happen to be a fan, but that was not his best performance. Cowsill as usual is a beast on drums. Mike sounded fine. Here's the spot where they fall flat...the harmony blend is not that great. That's where it suffers. It's not a case of the M&B band not being good...it's just that the harmonies to me don't sound great at all. Individually, good vocals, but together it's lacking punch.

The usual misleading promotion, but "The band and its members have collaborated with big names like comedian Jeff Foxworthy" WTF?   

Just out of curiosity - why don't they perform TWGMTR or Isn't It Time, their most recent singles? Is it a contractual thing, that is, those songs can only be performed on the reunion tour etc?

No, anyone could perform those songs if they wanted. More likely it's the fact that both songs have a Brian lead, plus That's Why God Made The Radio requiring more vocal parts than Mike & Bruce's band can do, and neither song having been a particular hit.

Plus TWGMTR was more or less like the theme for the reunion/C50.
"Isn't it time" is a great song but I don't know how well Mike'n'Bruce/Brian,Al,David could make it sound on their own.

I actually think that Mike's band could pull it off easily -- just give Brian and Al's parts to Cowsill (or have Mike sing lead on both verses), Foskett's part to Randell Kirsch, it'd be easy. The arrangement on the record is actually very thin, and doesn't need a huge number of people to perform it.

Brian's band... it would lose something, I think, even with Al singing his parts, without Mike's bass vocal, and no-one in Brian's band is really capable of those parts. (That's the one thing I've always missed when seeing Brian's band, who I otherwise think are the best band I've ever seen -- they don't have a really good bass singer, and while Scott Bennett makes a decent fist of, for example, Mike's parts in the chorus of Don't Worry Baby, they don't cut through the rest of the harmonies the way they should). Other than that, though, they could do it with their eyes closed.

The backing band are far too low in the mix but apart from that they sound fine.

Definitely, it's a pretty lousy mix all around.  In my experiences, the M&B band usually sounds much better, both sound and performance-wise.

Yeah, it's a poor mix, as you'd expect from a venue like that -- the acoustics are all wrong. For those who don't think that Mike & Bruce's band can sing proper harmonies, here's a recording of them doing Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring -- http://assets.tumblr.com/swf/audio_player_black.swf?audio_file=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tumblr.com%2Faudio_file%2Fandrewhickeywriter%2F43567169909%2Ftumblr_miiy2opjNv1rihf43&color=FFFFFF . That's Mike, Bruce, Scott T, Randell and Christian from 2008, in a venue with decent acoustics.

We all knew Mike was good at pulling the birds, but I'm confused! Shouldn't he be climbing out of Shamu's blowhole in this pic or something??

Anyone got a Mike/ Bald Eagle line that would fit in with the picture? :lol

Here we see Mike Love and Brian Johnston trying to convince the eagle that no one will know it is a bald eagle if it wears a baseball cap at all times.

:lol @ Kermit

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Wow, Mike's a smooth talker!  The eagle looks younger already!

:lol

I wonder if the eagle participated in the threesome that immediately followed this photo. in Mike's trailer.

That's three peckers to one. Sounds kinky! ;)

or more like does 4 bald heads make it and even better party?

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Thank you thank you! But the honor does not belong to me alone. Please thank Ontor Pertawst for the photoshop genius and Briansbathroab!

Meanwhile: Mike has your wife back in his trailer while Bruce watches through the skylight!!!!

I am taking a bow before my break from SS begins tomorrow.

Don't leave Briansbathrobe! SeaWorld jokes don't grow on trees!!!

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Somebody has to plan OSD's grand return to SS.... I will lurk from time to time, but I am just taking a break from posting until MIC comes out.

"And the bucket of whale barf was THIS big"

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Look at those pair of tits. And the woman's aren't bad either....

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....and then Mike goes "Brian, Al and Dave....YOUR'E FIRED".  His Trump comb-over was so funny I flipped!

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Next string of gigs is this weekend!

My feeling is they don't want to draw attention to whom isn't performing with the band at the moment.  My feeling is Mike Love likes to think his interpretation of "The Beach Boys" is "The Beach Boys" period.  By performing songs that had anything to do with the C50 it would be an acknowledgment of the absence on stage of other members of the band.  Therefore it has probably been deemed best not to go near those songs with a barge pole.  

Also I make room for the distinct possibility that Mike Love is aware of the amount of negative vibes he has geared towards him at the moment from Brian Wilson and Beach Boys fans due to the perception (right or wrong) that he is the reason why Brian, Al and Dave aren't performing with the group right now.  Therefore why stir up a hornets nest at his own shows?  Just send out the good vibes, collect the cash and onto the next town.

Nice to see Bruce Johnston looking so well in these photos btw.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Well now that the "real Beach Boys' are back together, maybe we can expect an album of gems from the pens of Love, Johnston, Cowsill and Stamos. "Easter Bunny's Goin' to Kokomo"...."Disney Girls (2013)"...."Uncle Jessie's Girl"...."The Rain, The Park, and Various Other Random Things"....

"Sea World Girls (2013)"

Cool Head, Warm Whale Barf

 All Summer Long (At Seaworld)

I'm not sure about that. The curious thing about Mike and Bruce post 1998 is that they have never been shy of mentioning that the Wilsons and Al weren't on stage. I think they know that the crowd don't care who's up there.

I think the reason they don't perform songs from last year's album is that none were hits. Simple as that really.

Lonely SeaWorld

Mike should rewrite "Wrinkles" to be about Shamu or Bruce.

It would be better for their image if they booked Dealership closings or Taco Bell expansions. mYke may think he's keeping the legend intact when in reality, he's making a complete mockery of a once blockbuster act. Gotta admit, though, it's devilish fun to watch them go down all for the almighty buck. ::)

I, for the life of me, can't fathom why there's not a Myke and Brooce "Beach Boys Cruise" for the old folks! .... "Beach Boys Cruise To Kokomo" they could call it! ..... Think of all the late night berth visits Mike would be making!

I could see Mike, Bruce, and Stamos in horrible sailors outfits.

Of course the cruise ship would depart from SeaWorld

Destination Kokomo.....

or why not just call it The (Mike) Love Boat! ..... With Mike as Captain Stubing and Bruce as Issac The Bartender!

I'm mYke luHv the Beach Boys Band,
I'm mYke luHv the Beach Boys Band,
I'm strong to the finish(!),
Cause Bruth eats me spinich,
I'm mYke luHv the Beach Boys Band.

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anybody go to the casino show last night/ tonight?

Yes, I won so much money that the Casino sold me M&B's management rights instead. They are currently playing Strip Clubs and Seaworld exclusively.

At want Brice in the DJ booth at them strip joints!

Will you be offering VIP: CHAMPAGNE ROOM W MIKE/BRUCE deals at these strip clubs??

That is part of the package for seeing a show at the strip clubs. Mike will be wearing his best leisure suit and Bruce will rain champagne on the "disney girls".

I would pay top $$$$$ to see an especially attractive stripper doing a routine to Disney Girls!

...... Just as long as I'm not expected to put my dollars in Bruce's shorts!

THE BEACH BOYS PRESENT: STRIP CLUBS USA!

That's Why God Made The Stripper Pole
God Only Pole Dances
Pole Dance Pole Dance Pole Dance
This G-String Of Mine
Got To Know The Stripper
Add Some Two-For-Once Lap Dances To Your Day
In My Champagne Room
The Rocking Stripper
Carl's Big Lap Dance
Our Favorite Lap Dances
And Then I Tipped Her
Girl Don't Up-sell Me
Don't Talk, Grind Your Crotch Into My Lap
Anna Lee The Stripper

 :hat

 :lol :lol :lol Bad News (or not) Brian's lawyers took the BBs name from M&B when they found out about strip club shows.  M&B are now playing skid-row in LA until the BBs tour with the C50 lineup. 

Mike and Bruce are playing The Great Frederick Fair, less than an hour from my house...think I'll be doing two shows this year...can make for a great day!

Just keep count how many times Bruce hand-claps or adjusts his Mic.

Oh that was fun.

There are recent photos on Mike's Facebook page of the M & B Beach Boys getting on an airplane for an Asian tour. In the photo captions, Mike gives a thank you to Bruce for the airline arrangements. I wonder what that's about?

Word is Bruce is great at booking a budget holiday

beach boys are playing a post game show after the cincinnati reds ball game sunday the 26th. saturday night i went to the horseshoe casino in cincinnati. got there around 930pm. while driving on 471, as i was crossing the ohio river from newport ky into cincinnati, i looked over and saw a huge billboard ad for the concert. the picture used was the one of love, johnston and stamos. the one shown at the start of this thread. full photo. odd seeing that one used to promote the show.

it's obviously how Mike wants to represent the band. what a douche.