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Title: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: mabewa on July 19, 2012, 02:09:04 AM I know what Dave's singing sounds like nowadays, but I'm a little curious about his vocal role on the early albums. I can't really pick his voice out in the mix, except for the obvious example of "Summertime Blues." Can anyone comment on the vocal role he played (range, etc.) and point me towards some songs where you can hear him in the vocal mix?
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: GuyO on July 19, 2012, 03:00:56 AM Is Dave on Summertime Blues? I think it's Carl and Mike.
In Jon Stebbins excellent 'The Lost Beach Boy' County Fair, Heads You Win, Chug A Lug and 409 are named as songs on which Dave most likely doubles Dennis's parts. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: mabewa on July 19, 2012, 03:11:53 AM I've heard it's Carl and Dave, though I suppose that could be wrong. There does seem to be a different vocal presence there, but I'll have to go back and listen to it again.
Doubling Dennis' parts makes sense, as Dennis didn't seem to sing harmonies live, so I suppose it was just Dave on those parts when they played live. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Jon Stebbins on July 19, 2012, 07:47:15 AM Is Dave on Summertime Blues? I think it's Carl and Mike. Thanks. BTW Carl and Dave harmonize on the verses of Summertime Blues, Mike obviously is the low solo voice ("like to help you son but you're too young to vote" etc...)In Jon Stebbins excellent 'The Lost Beach Boy' County Fair, Heads You Win, Chug A Lug and 409 are named as songs on which Dave most likely doubles Dennis's parts. In general Dave didn't sing much in the studio back then... but he sang harmony and had a couple of leads during the live shows, sounds familiar eh?. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: adamghost on July 19, 2012, 01:29:25 PM I think way back when we were trying to figure out which songs Dave did sing on, and we figured out that "Surfin' USA," based on the slightly odd vocal blend and seeming doubling of Dennis' part, was a likely candidate.
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Emdeeh on July 19, 2012, 02:10:30 PM Dave says it's him singing with Carl on "Summertime Blues," and that's good enough documentation (primary source!) to me.
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: 37!ws on July 19, 2012, 02:22:23 PM (Do I dare point out...again...how on Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 1 that the engineer announces the take of "Summertime Blues" with the harmonized lead vocals as "with Carl and Ni[c]k"???)
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: GuyO on July 19, 2012, 02:32:37 PM Yep I stand corrected. On the first overdub takes (takes 5 and 6) Carl sings alone, on the following take we hear two voices. Before the take starts someone in the booth (I think) mentions Dave, followed by someone in the control room saying <overdub take 6 (sic), with Nick>.
So yeah... Carl and Dave on verses, plus Mike. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Paulos on July 19, 2012, 02:37:31 PM Listen to Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 1, track 4 - it's quite clearly Dave singing alone before Carl's voice is overdubbed later.
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: GuyO on July 19, 2012, 02:54:24 PM Could be! Dare I ask why you are certain it's Dave who sings alone first?
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: startBBtoday on July 19, 2012, 03:00:09 PM Granted I don't have the book on me right this second, but I seem to recall during the part in Jon Stebbins' book about which songs Dave sings on, Dave himself seemed a little less than definitive that he sang on Summertime Blues in studio.
Am I incorrect? Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Paulos on July 19, 2012, 03:03:12 PM Could be! Dare I ask why you are certain it's Dave who sings alone first? Because it sounds like Dave to me.....however, when the other harmonized vocal comes in that could very well be Dave and that it is in fact Carl singing first after listening to it again, in conclusion: I don't know! I wasn't trying to call you out or anything, I didn't see your post before making my 'Dave sings first' claim. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: JanBerryFarm on July 19, 2012, 03:06:32 PM For some die-hards, decades of attributing it to Carl is hard to repurpose.
It's Dave, a much YOUNGER Dave. ....then, after multiple takes alone..... with Nik. Dave and Nik. Why would the engineer say "with Nik" if it was Carl? He'd say "with Carl" wouldn't he ? This was already hashed out under a 'Surfin' Safari' Lp thread. I'm sure RangeRover remembers. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Paulos on July 19, 2012, 03:19:34 PM For some die-hards, decades of attributing it to Carl is hard to repurpose. It's Dave, a much YOUNGER Dave. ....then, after multiple takes alone..... with Nik. Dave and Nik. Why would the engineer say "with Nik" if it was Carl? He's say "with Carl" wouldn't he ? This was already hashed out under a 'Surfin' Safari' Lp thread. I'm sure RangeRover remembers. So I just listened to Dave & The Marksmen's 'Kustom Kar Show' on which Dave sings lead for a comparison and I am now convinced it is in fact Dave singing first on Summertime Blues. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: JanBerryFarm on July 19, 2012, 05:00:58 PM Well, I'm glad we have that ironed out.
I'm been saying it's Dave for quite a while now, with nary a peep. :lol Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Jon Stebbins on July 19, 2012, 05:36:23 PM Granted I don't have the book on me right this second, but I seem to recall during the part in Jon Stebbins' book about which songs Dave sings on, Dave himself seemed a little less than definitive that he sang on Summertime Blues in studio. Yes you are incorrect. In the book Dave says, "I do remember standing around the microphone with Carl singing that song. Brian had wanted each of us to sing at least one song on the album."Am I incorrect? Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: the professor on July 20, 2012, 01:11:25 PM Of course that's Dave singing Summertime Blues.
He had mentioned in an interview that the hoped that would be in the set now, but I guess the other vocals, which he is killing wonderfully, must have been the plan instead. I always seem to burden Jon with this, and I know I am a one-note-pony, but all I care about (in addition to anticipation of a new album and hope for health and joy for all the BB) is that Dave is happy (so many of my posts reflect this, so I won't repeat my detailed comments here). I hope he is aware of the love we have for him and that such feats as his leading the BB orchestra in Pet Sounds (Great Caesar's ghost!!) have provided artistic and personal satisfaction. I would imagine that all the BB and the fans and the record company now understand his importance; I cannot imagine the shows without him. I trust that this will translate into a greater role in the next album. Please, no more Skunk. . . . I know that history is not ready to explain this, but I do hope we hear that Dave is really singing on the new album, and I look forward to his detailed account of his guitar parts on TWGMTR, each song of which I continue to study to determine his style, sound and thus contribution (I am not so good at that, I fear, with so many guitarists listed). best to all, Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Rocker on July 20, 2012, 02:38:06 PM Why would the engineer say "with Nik" if it was Carl? He'd say "with Carl" wouldn't he ? It's a joke. "six" and "Nick" kinda rhymes. That's it. Not unlike Brian saying "right on Leon" during the BWPS sessions (it's somewhere on the DVD iirc) while no Leon was there. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: runnersdialzero on July 20, 2012, 03:26:34 PM Also, who would Nik (???) or Nick even be?
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: JanBerryFarm on July 20, 2012, 03:32:57 PM A joke? That's a stretch. Why would the engineer announce the next take "with six" ? That makes no sense. ...
and why then, with all the prior takes just Dave alone, the engineer announces "....with Nik " there is suddenly additional voice singing with Dave ? Who is Nik? Don't you suppose the only nik at those sessions was Nik Venet? He plays guitar with them, so why not singing too? Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: startBBtoday on July 20, 2012, 04:04:32 PM Granted I don't have the book on me right this second, but I seem to recall during the part in Jon Stebbins' book about which songs Dave sings on, Dave himself seemed a little less than definitive that he sang on Summertime Blues in studio. Yes you are incorrect. In the book Dave says, "I do remember standing around the microphone with Carl singing that song. Brian had wanted each of us to sing at least one song on the album."Am I incorrect? Thanks for the reply Jon. Appreciate it. Really hoping for a CD quality version of Dave singing Getcha Back from this tour on the rumored live CD or DVD. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: mabewa on July 21, 2012, 03:56:08 AM Thanks for all the replies and the great debate, guys. I'm kind of a geek about who did what, and this kind of thread is exactly why I joined the board. Sounds like it was indeed Dave on Summertime Blues, plus he doubled Dennis's parts on a few other songs. He didn't sing much in the studio, but did harmonies live, and also got the odd lead (again, kind of like now!). I'm assuming that he mostly did Dennis's parts live, since Dennis himself doesn't seem to have sung harmonies live much.
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: JanBerryFarm on July 21, 2012, 02:31:51 PM Right... and it also busts all those Beach Boy LIARS who, for decades, insisted that Brian wouldn't let Dave sing at all, live or on record.
The same liars who also said that the Beach Boys didn't really play their own instruments and had studio cats doing it all. Of course they weren't the only liars. Brian Wilson explaining how he destroyed the smIle masters. Yeah right. OR the big lie about where the instrument money came from in Hawthorne when Dennis's parents vacationed in Mexico. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: mabewa on July 21, 2012, 10:26:12 PM Are they really lies though, or just half-truths? I mean, it does seem clear that Dave didn't sing as much on record as the other guys, and that was probably at least partially at Brian's behest. The Beach Boys did play their own instruments on the early albums, but the studios guys did more and more as time went on--I've never heard the claim that they didn't play at all on their records, just that they didn't do it as much as many other bands. And Brian saying that he destroyed the masters of Smile--Brian has said some pretty weird stuff over the years--my impression is that he hasn't been lying as much as being affected by mental illness. Perhaps he actually thought he had destroyed the Smile master tapes at one time.
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: JanBerryFarm on July 21, 2012, 10:41:49 PM Are they really lies though, or just half-truths? I mean, it does seem clear that Dave didn't sing as much on record as the other guys, and that was probably at least partially at Brian's behest. The Beach Boys did play their own instruments on the early albums, but the studios guys did more and more as time went on--I've never heard the claim that they didn't play at all on their records, just that they didn't do it as much as many other bands. And Brian saying that he destroyed the masters of Smile--Brian has said some pretty weird stuff over the years--my impression is that he hasn't been lying as much as being affected by mental illness. Perhaps he actually thought he had destroyed the Smile master tapes at one time. Sounds reasonable... IF you want to redefine a lie as just 'pretty weird stuff'. One "pretty weird" thing that comes to my mind is the lie that Brian was mentally ill. Brian is a super intelligent trickster....very good at putting up walls and barriers when he deems them needed. Now he's old, he no longer needs to pretend to be 'crazy'... he just 'gets tired'. The perfect dodge, because it's true. Tired of acting crazy. ::) Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: AndrewHickey on July 22, 2012, 03:17:05 AM One "pretty weird" thing that comes to my mind is the lie that Brian was mentally ill. This is the second most repellent, ignorant thing I've read on this board, after your own claim that Bruce plays bass 'like a spastic'. Do you have even the slightest idea what level of effort it would take to fake the various symptoms Brian's had over the decades he's had them? You might as well claim that Stephen Hawking has been faking muscular dystrophy for the last forty years because he's too lazy to walk. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Mike's Beard on July 22, 2012, 09:37:28 AM Are they really lies though, or just half-truths? I mean, it does seem clear that Dave didn't sing as much on record as the other guys, and that was probably at least partially at Brian's behest. The Beach Boys did play their own instruments on the early albums, but the studios guys did more and more as time went on--I've never heard the claim that they didn't play at all on their records, just that they didn't do it as much as many other bands. And Brian saying that he destroyed the masters of Smile--Brian has said some pretty weird stuff over the years--my impression is that he hasn't been lying as much as being affected by mental illness. Perhaps he actually thought he had destroyed the Smile master tapes at one time. Sounds reasonable... IF you want to redefine a lie as just 'pretty weird stuff'. One "pretty weird" thing that comes to my mind is the lie that Brian was mentally ill. Brian is a super intelligent trickster....very good at putting up walls and barriers when he deems them needed. Now he's old, he no longer needs to pretend to be 'crazy'... he just 'gets tired'. The perfect dodge, because it's true. Tired of acting crazy. ::) What a stupid, insensitive post. Hang your head in shame. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: JanBerryFarm on July 22, 2012, 10:38:45 AM Are they really lies though, or just half-truths? I mean, it does seem clear that Dave didn't sing as much on record as the other guys, and that was probably at least partially at Brian's behest. The Beach Boys did play their own instruments on the early albums, but the studios guys did more and more as time went on--I've never heard the claim that they didn't play at all on their records, just that they didn't do it as much as many other bands. And Brian saying that he destroyed the masters of Smile--Brian has said some pretty weird stuff over the years--my impression is that he hasn't been lying as much as being affected by mental illness. Perhaps he actually thought he had destroyed the Smile master tapes at one time. Sounds reasonable... IF you want to redefine a lie as just 'pretty weird stuff'. One "pretty weird" thing that comes to my mind is the lie that Brian was mentally ill. Brian is a super intelligent trickster....very good at putting up walls and barriers when he deems them needed. Now he's old, he no longer needs to pretend to be 'crazy'... he just 'gets tired'. The perfect dodge, because it's true. Tired of acting crazy. ::) What a stupid, insensitive post. Hang your head in shame. It's not, and I won't. Well, maybe, if you change your insensitive 'name' and hateful Mike Love bashing stance. I'm saying Brian Wilson is intelligent and not a sicko. If you object, then you are saying he's dumb and mentally ill. So who's insensitive? Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 22, 2012, 10:55:05 AM Are they really lies though, or just half-truths? I mean, it does seem clear that Dave didn't sing as much on record as the other guys, and that was probably at least partially at Brian's behest. The Beach Boys did play their own instruments on the early albums, but the studios guys did more and more as time went on--I've never heard the claim that they didn't play at all on their records, just that they didn't do it as much as many other bands. And Brian saying that he destroyed the masters of Smile--Brian has said some pretty weird stuff over the years--my impression is that he hasn't been lying as much as being affected by mental illness. Perhaps he actually thought he had destroyed the Smile master tapes at one time. Sounds reasonable... IF you want to redefine a lie as just 'pretty weird stuff'. One "pretty weird" thing that comes to my mind is the lie that Brian was mentally ill. Brian is a super intelligent trickster....very good at putting up walls and barriers when he deems them needed. Now he's old, he no longer needs to pretend to be 'crazy'... he just 'gets tired'. The perfect dodge, because it's true. Tired of acting crazy. ::) What a stupid, insensitive post. Hang your head in shame. It's not, and I won't. Well, maybe, if you change your insensitive 'name' and hateful Mike Love bashing stance. I'm saying Brian Wilson is intelligent and not a sicko. If you object, then you are saying he's dumb and metally ill. So who's insensitive? Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Mike's Beard on July 22, 2012, 11:54:49 AM Are they really lies though, or just half-truths? I mean, it does seem clear that Dave didn't sing as much on record as the other guys, and that was probably at least partially at Brian's behest. The Beach Boys did play their own instruments on the early albums, but the studios guys did more and more as time went on--I've never heard the claim that they didn't play at all on their records, just that they didn't do it as much as many other bands. And Brian saying that he destroyed the masters of Smile--Brian has said some pretty weird stuff over the years--my impression is that he hasn't been lying as much as being affected by mental illness. Perhaps he actually thought he had destroyed the Smile master tapes at one time. Sounds reasonable... IF you want to redefine a lie as just 'pretty weird stuff'. One "pretty weird" thing that comes to my mind is the lie that Brian was mentally ill. Brian is a super intelligent trickster....very good at putting up walls and barriers when he deems them needed. Now he's old, he no longer needs to pretend to be 'crazy'... he just 'gets tired'. The perfect dodge, because it's true. Tired of acting crazy. ::) What a stupid, insensitive post. Hang your head in shame. It's not, and I won't. Well, maybe, if you change your insensitive 'name' and hateful Mike Love bashing stance. I'm saying Brian Wilson is intelligent and not a sicko. If you object, then you are saying he's dumb and metally ill. So who's insensitive? Well that's easy - you. You've just dug yourself in deeper by lumping in the terms "sicko" and "dumb" with metally (sic) ill. And lastly, do please explain how my username is insensitive and hateful towards Mike Love? ??? Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: JanBerryFarm on July 22, 2012, 12:00:57 PM Are they really lies though, or just half-truths? I mean, it does seem clear that Dave didn't sing as much on record as the other guys, and that was probably at least partially at Brian's behest. The Beach Boys did play their own instruments on the early albums, but the studios guys did more and more as time went on--I've never heard the claim that they didn't play at all on their records, just that they didn't do it as much as many other bands. And Brian saying that he destroyed the masters of Smile--Brian has said some pretty weird stuff over the years--my impression is that he hasn't been lying as much as being affected by mental illness. Perhaps he actually thought he had destroyed the Smile master tapes at one time. Sounds reasonable... IF you want to redefine a lie as just 'pretty weird stuff'. One "pretty weird" thing that comes to my mind is the lie that Brian was mentally ill. Brian is a super intelligent trickster....very good at putting up walls and barriers when he deems them needed. Now he's old, he no longer needs to pretend to be 'crazy'... he just 'gets tired'. The perfect dodge, because it's true. Tired of acting crazy. ::) What a stupid, insensitive post. Hang your head in shame. It's not, and I won't. Well, maybe, if you change your insensitive 'name' and hateful Mike Love bashing stance. I'm saying Brian Wilson is intelligent and not a sicko. If you object, then you are saying he's dumb and metally ill. So who's insensitive? Asking Brian something like you suggest would be a certain sign of mental illness. :smokin I guess it really depends on how you define mentally ill. It's for sure that he's maladjusted. But so are many people leading everyday lives. Does taking medication define mental illness? IF so, then half the freakin' nation is mentally ill. Actually, now that I think about it, that's absolutely true. Ok, you win. Brian and half the nation is mentally ill. They're just not as intelligent as he is. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 22, 2012, 02:28:13 PM Are they really lies though, or just half-truths? I mean, it does seem clear that Dave didn't sing as much on record as the other guys, and that was probably at least partially at Brian's behest. The Beach Boys did play their own instruments on the early albums, but the studios guys did more and more as time went on--I've never heard the claim that they didn't play at all on their records, just that they didn't do it as much as many other bands. And Brian saying that he destroyed the masters of Smile--Brian has said some pretty weird stuff over the years--my impression is that he hasn't been lying as much as being affected by mental illness. Perhaps he actually thought he had destroyed the Smile master tapes at one time. Sounds reasonable... IF you want to redefine a lie as just 'pretty weird stuff'. One "pretty weird" thing that comes to my mind is the lie that Brian was mentally ill. Brian is a super intelligent trickster....very good at putting up walls and barriers when he deems them needed. Now he's old, he no longer needs to pretend to be 'crazy'... he just 'gets tired'. The perfect dodge, because it's true. Tired of acting crazy. ::) What a stupid, insensitive post. Hang your head in shame. It's not, and I won't. Well, maybe, if you change your insensitive 'name' and hateful Mike Love bashing stance. I'm saying Brian Wilson is intelligent and not a sicko. If you object, then you are saying he's dumb and metally ill. So who's insensitive? Asking Brian something like you suggest would be a certain sign of mental illness. :smokin I guess it really depends on how you define mentally ill. It's for sure that he's maladjusted. But so are many people leading everyday lives. Does taking medication define mental illness? IF so, then half the freakin' nation is mentally ill. Actually, now that I think about it, that's absolutely true. Ok, you win. Brian and half the nation is mentally ill. They're just not as intelligent as he is. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Alex on July 22, 2012, 03:43:03 PM Brian hears voices in his head. If that`s not a sign of mental illness, than I don`t know what is.
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: JanBerryFarm on July 22, 2012, 04:36:11 PM Brian hears voices in his head. If that`s not a sign of mental illness, than I don`t know what is. I hear voices in my head. Am I mentally ill? I experience hunger too, does that mean I'm starving? Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Lowbacca on July 22, 2012, 05:12:10 PM I hear voices in my head. Am I mentally ill? If you put it this way - yes, you probably are.The extent of the symptom varies, and you may be able to live with it (without any troubles), but it nevertheless is a sign of illness. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: JanBerryFarm on July 22, 2012, 06:01:12 PM I hear voices in my head. Am I mentally ill? If you put it this way - yes, you probably are.The extent of the symptom varies, and you may be able to live with it (without any troubles), but it nevertheless is a sign of illness. For me, it's a sign of being alive. But, enough already. I already gave in. What more do you want? My personal collection of Beach Boy coffee mugs? Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Lowbacca on July 22, 2012, 06:13:06 PM For me, it's a sign of being alive. Being ill (of any condition) and being alive are not mutually exclusive, of course.Whether somebody in the realms of the netherworld might be able to hear voices would have to be discussed. It might not be a conclusive proof of 'being alive' after all. ;) Made me think of E.A. Poe's The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar. What more do you want? My personal collection of Beach Boy coffee mugs? I don't eben have a single BBs coffee mug... :-\ Now I'm kind of ashamed of having a Let It Be mug on my desk right next to me. :PTitle: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: adamghost on July 23, 2012, 12:53:44 AM I have a Beach Boys belt buckle around here somewhere, along with a Caribou Ranch drink coaster in the shape of a horseshoe...
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Alan Smith on July 23, 2012, 02:08:28 AM I have a Beach Boys belt buckle around here somewhere, along with a Caribou Ranch drink coaster in the shape of a horseshoe... What do ya mean, "around here somewhere"? :lol I'd be wearin' it everywhere, everyday if I had one (the belt buckle)Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: JanBerryFarm on July 23, 2012, 11:15:18 AM As I stated earlier, it's all in how you define mental illness. Brian was diagnosed with Bipolar disorder, which seems to be fairly common, and is also more often than not genetic in origin...and is also aggrivated by recreational drug use. (ring any bells?)
If we're going to call Brian mentally ill, then I suggest that we also start refering to these notable persons who 'suffer' from Bipolar disorder the same way. It's all a matter of perspective. Also worth noting a few stats...for U.S. citizenry. Total number of people with Bipolar disorder - 5.7 MILLION Total percentage of people wtih Bipolar disorder - 5% List of people with bipolar disorder - A Rigoberto Alpizar Ryan G. Anderson Sophie Anderton Adam Ant James Hamilton, 3rd Earl of Arran Disappearance of Iraena Asher David Attias Emilie Autumn B Maria Bamford Sid Barnes Charles Baudelaire Shelley Beattie Bruce Beaver Thomas Lovell Beddoes Ludwig van Beethoven Andy Behrman Max Bemis Maurice Benard Edward Benson (bishop) Mary Kay Bergman Coenraad van Beuningen Guillaume Cornelis van Beverloo Isabella Blow Ludwig Boltzmann Graham Bond Brian Bonsall Adrian Borland Paul Boyd (animator) Dutch Boyd L. Brent Bozell, Jr. Russell Brand Andrea Breth Jeremy Brett Don Briscoe Bobby Brown Theo Wade Brown Junie Browning Frank Bruno Barney Bubbles John Buchanan (American politician) Geoff Bullock Elbridge Ayer Burbank C Northern Calloway Robert Calvert Cosmo Campoli Georg Cantor James Carr (musician) Quincy Carter Jack Cassidy Dick Cavett Iris Chang Akio Chiba Rosemary Clooney Kurt Cobain Cole Resource Center Neil Cole (politician) Patricia Cornwell Robert S. Corrington Michael Costa (politician) Sean Costello William Cotton (missionary) Vincent Crane Jim Craven D Disco D Murray Deaker Swadesh Deepak D cont. Terry Jess Dennis Mark D. Devlin Gaetano Donizetti Mike Doughty Charmaine Dragun Richard Dreyfuss Patty Duke Tericka Dye E Richey Edwards Mark Eustice F Freda du Faur Wild Man Fischer Carrie Fisher F. Scott Fitzgerald Larry Flynt Connie Francis Stephen Fry Justin Furstenfeld G J. R. Gach Charly García Alan Garner Terry Garrity Paul Gascoigne Kaye Gibbons Margaret Gibson (writer) Mel Gibson Matthew Good Jay Gould Phil Graham David Granirer Macy Gray Graham Greene Henry Grimes Ivor Gurney Letitia Gwynne H Linda Hamilton Darrell Hammond Robert Hansen Naveed Afzal Haq Anthony Hardy Moss Hart Mariette Hartley Alex Hartman Doug Harvey (ice hockey) Henrik Havas Jonathan Hay (footballer) Peter Hayes (lawyer) Gregory Hemingway Drewe Henley Abbie Hoffman Marya Hornbacher Emily Horne Byron Houston Brotha Lynch Hung Julian Huxley Phyllis Hyman I Ike Ibeabuchi Jack Irons J Kay Redfield Jamison Adam Jasinski Andrew Johns Daniel Johnston Benn Jordan Helmi Juvonen K Sarah Kane Kerry Katona Patrick J. Kennedy K cont. Kerli Joseph Kibweteere Margot Kidder Morio Kita Otto Klemperer John Konrads Patrick K. Kroupa L Debra Lafave Mary Lamb Larry Lea Vivien Leigh Steve Lieberman Mary Todd Lincoln Arthur Lipsett Joshua Logan Bernard Loiseau Earl Long Demi Lovato Ris Low M Arthur McIntyre (artist) Kristy McNichol William Marrufo Emily Martin (anthropologist) J. James Marzilli, Jr. Gavin Maxwell Chris McKinstry Burgess Meredith Edward Mezvinsky Eric Millegan Kate Millett Spike Milligan Stanley Mitchell Ben Moody Charles Mount John A. Mulheren Robert Munsch N Hisayasu Nagata O Graeme Obree Phil Ochs Sinéad O'Connor Bill Oddie Johnny O'Keefe Craig Owens (entertainer) P Nicola Pagett Emma Parker Bowles Jaco Pastorius Jane Pauley Ota Pavel Jimmy Piersall Derrick Plourde John William Polidori Odean Pope Gail Porter Emil Leon Post Heinz Prechter Charley Pride Mary Priestley R Gabriele Rabel Dee Dee Ramone Cornelia Rau Randy Revelle James Rhodes (pianist) Clarence Richeson Rebecca Riley Lynn N. Rivers Rene Rivkin R Barret Robbins Chris Robinson (writer) Svend Robinson Mark Rogowski Michael Roof Axl Rose S Sascha Altman DuBrul Paul Sharits Athole Shearer Sidney Sheldon Nina Simone Frank Sinatra Michael Slater Tony Slattery Tim Smith (rugby league) Phil Spector Alonzo Spellman Michelangelo Spensieri Nancy Spungen Peter Steele David Strickland Michael Strunge S cont. Poly Styrene Screaming Lord Sutch Stuart Sutherland Larry Sweeney Roger Sylvester T Davinia Taylor Mackenzie Taylor Ari Telch A. S. J. Tessimond Abbott Handerson Thayer Ron Thompson Gene Tierney Timo Tolkki Devin Townsend Nick Traina Timothy Treadwell Margaret Trudeau Patrick Tuohy Mike Tyson U Dimitrius Underwood V Luna Vachon Jean-Claude Van Damme V cont. Vincent van Gogh's health Townes Van Zandt Joseph Vásquez Mark Vonnegut W Sol Wachtler Ayelet Waldman Richard Wallace (scientist) Mika Waltari Scott Weiland Mikey Welsh Pete Wentz Norman Wexler Mark Whitacre Brian Wilson Amy Winehouse Jonathan Winters Virginia Woolf James Wright (poet) Luther Wright Y Bert Yancey Z Catherine Zeta-Jones Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: AndrewHickey on July 23, 2012, 11:23:19 AM As I stated earlier, it's all in how you define mental illness. Brian was diagnosed with Bipolar disorder, which seems to be fairly common, and is also more often than not genetic in origin...and is also aggrivated by recreational drug use. (ring any bells?) If we're going to call Brian mentally ill, then I suggest that we also start refering to these notable persons who 'suffer' from Bipolar disorder the same way. It's all a matter of perspective. Yes, if those people suffer or have suffered from bipolar disorder, they are or were mentally ill. They have a mental illness. That's what being mentally ill means. In fact, just from the ones whose biographies I'm familiar with, I see many people on that list whose lives have been utterly devastated by mental illness. So your point is? Oh, I forgot, you don't have one, you're just a troll. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Lowbacca on July 23, 2012, 11:30:41 AM As I stated earlier, it's all in how you define mental illness. Brian was diagnosed with Bipolar disorder, which seems to be fairly common, and is also more often than not genetic in origin...and is also aggrivated by recreational drug use. (ring any bells?) If we're going to call Brian mentally ill, then I suggest that we also start refering to these notable persons who 'suffer' from Bipolar disorder the same way. It's all a matter of perspective. Yes, if those people suffer or have suffered from bipolar disorder, they are or were mentally ill. They have a mental illness. That's what being mentally ill means. In fact, just from the ones whose biographies I'm familiar with, I see many people on that list whose lives have been utterly devastated by mental illness. So your point is? Oh, I forgot, you don't have one, you're just a troll. P.S. Might it be possible that we are totally off-topic? :hat Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: the professor on July 23, 2012, 11:34:59 AM I'm not part of this discussion.
On topic of Dave: I have been listening to his solo album, I think about you often, and comparing the guitar parts to TWGMTR; it becomes clear that you can recognize his style on several parts of the BB album, such as the bright rhythm accompaniment to the title track, to Spring vacation, and also the plaintive wailing in Summer's Gone. In fact many of Dave's parts sound like his same old parts from Surfin' Safari and Surfer Girl; I can't describe it, as many of you can, I trust, but it's a driving punk, Ramones-style 8th-note plucking. Anyone can help more with this? Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Lowbacca on July 23, 2012, 11:46:55 AM I'm not part of this discussion. I share your impression(s), but I as well am not able to describe it any better. :-\ On topic of Dave: I have been listening to his solo album, I think about you often, and comparing the guitar parts to TWGMTR; it becomes clear that you can recognize his style on several parts of the BB album, such as the bright rhythm accompaniment to the title track, to Spring vacation, and also the plaintive wailing in Summer's Gone. In fact many of Dave's parts sound like his same old parts from Surfin' Safari and Surfer Girl; I can't describe it, as many of you can, I trust, but it's a driving punk, Ramones-style 8th-note plucking. Anyone can help more with this? Those Marks-sounding bits on TWGMTR don't necessarily have to have been recorded by David Marks, though. EDIT: Well, obviously not 'recorded' by him at all, but performed and stuff.. you know what I mean. :) Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: adamghost on July 23, 2012, 07:16:10 PM I don't see why they'd go to the trouble of NOT crediting him on the vocals, and then crediting him on guitar if he didn't play.
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Lowbacca on July 24, 2012, 02:51:40 AM I don't see why they'd go to the trouble of NOT crediting him on the vocals, and then crediting him on guitar if he didn't play. I think crediting a f*ckin' Beach Boy on a BBs LP for doing something he didn't do is much more understandable than NOT crediting him for something he DID do. ;)Either way, god only knows what Dave really did on those tracks... Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: hypehat on July 24, 2012, 04:16:18 AM I won't take up too much time, but JanBerryFarm - you're a sorry excuse for a human being.
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Phoenix on September 23, 2013, 12:44:46 AM Wow. So I searched for this topic to figure out if that is indeed Dave that sings the main vocal part (the first part of the Unsurpassed Masters tracks) and while the consensus seems to be that it is, the thread derailed into a ridiculous fight about mental illness before we got a definitive answer.
So...on topic...? Dave does the main part in the verses and Carl sings the high part? I'm not talking about Mike's lines (obviously) but the song's primary vocal. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: bluesno1fann on September 23, 2013, 01:55:29 AM As I stated earlier, it's all in how you define mental illness. Brian was diagnosed with Bipolar disorder, which seems to be fairly common, and is also more often than not genetic in origin...and is also aggrivated by recreational drug use. (ring any bells?) If we're going to call Brian mentally ill, then I suggest that we also start refering to these notable persons who 'suffer' from Bipolar disorder the same way. It's all a matter of perspective. Also worth noting a few stats...for U.S. citizenry. Total number of people with Bipolar disorder - 5.7 MILLION Total percentage of people wtih Bipolar disorder - 5% List of people with bipolar disorder - A Rigoberto Alpizar Ryan G. 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Vincent van Gogh's health Townes Van Zandt Joseph Vásquez Mark Vonnegut W Sol Wachtler Ayelet Waldman Richard Wallace (scientist) Mika Waltari Scott Weiland Mikey Welsh Pete Wentz Norman Wexler Mark Whitacre Brian Wilson Amy Winehouse Jonathan Winters Virginia Woolf James Wright (poet) Luther Wright Y Bert Yancey Z Catherine Zeta-Jones I'm certain Ray Davies of the Kinks has Bipolar. Syd Barrett may have had it, but we'll never know. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Phoenix on September 23, 2013, 02:12:01 AM Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Mike's Beard on September 23, 2013, 10:19:21 AM Off topic but I'd forgotten how much of a prick JanBerryFarm was. Thank God he doesn't post here anymore.
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: runnersdialzero on September 23, 2013, 11:02:36 AM Guys, he posted a wikipedia list. He has to be right about this. Let's forget this Dave Mark guy and recognize that on this day, JanBerryFarm of the smileysmile messageboard completely debunked the myth of mental illness.
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 23, 2013, 11:10:31 AM True that runners! :lol
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Micha on September 23, 2013, 01:21:38 PM Wow. So I searched for this topic to figure out if that is indeed Dave that sings the main vocal part (the first part of the Unsurpassed Masters tracks) and while the consensus seems to be that it is, the thread derailed into a ridiculous fight about mental illness before we got a definitive answer. So...on topic...? Dave does the main part in the verses and Carl sings the high part? I'm not talking about Mike's lines (obviously) but the song's primary vocal. Who is the guy who calls out the takes on that session? Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Phoenix on September 23, 2013, 01:43:33 PM On topic? God bless you. I can't believe that after four months all it took was one inquiry about the original topic for this thing to INSTANTLY derail again.
Unfortunately, I don't know that answer either but perhaps if we we wish and hope and pray, we might be able to STAY on topic and encourage someone who knows to join the conversation and help us out. Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Mikie on September 23, 2013, 01:44:30 PM Nick Venet. And it's Carl and Dave in unison on Summertime Blues.
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Phoenix on September 23, 2013, 01:58:29 PM Thanks, Mikie! But which voice is whom? Is it Carl or Dave who takes the first two passes by himself?
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Mikie on September 23, 2013, 02:05:33 PM I dunno. I never tried to figure it out. I know what Carl's voice sounds like on Summertime Blues, but not Dave's. You don't even hear Dave talking on the SOT's much less sing.
Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Phoenix on September 23, 2013, 02:22:31 PM So out of the two main voices (not Mike's) do you think Carl is singing high or low?
The higher voice sounds a bit like Carl but Carl's voice didn't really develop until later. "Girl Don't Tell Me", etc. are pretty low compared to his later stuff. And since Dave covered Dennis parts in the harmony stack in concert, he probably did sing that lower part, since it sounds closer to Dennis's voice. But on the other hand Dave was even younger than Carl at the time so you'd think his voice would be higher. Perhaps we'll never know. ??? Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Micha on September 23, 2013, 11:43:25 PM Nick Venet. And it's Carl and Dave in unison on Summertime Blues. So it's Nik Venet who calls out "Take six with Nik"? Ha, I remember discussions where people claimed based on this remark that it was Nik who actually sang on that take! :-D I say Dave is the lower voice, and he's doing a very good job especially if you take into account that he was only 13 years old! Title: Re: Dave's vocals on the early albums Post by: Phoenix on September 23, 2013, 11:46:10 PM Thanks for your input. That's the way I'm leaning right now.
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