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Title: Combining "Sunflower"/"Surf's Up" into a masterpiece
Post by: sea of tunes on April 20, 2012, 09:57:06 AM
From Wikipedia:

"Sunflower"

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Sunflower is the sixteenth studio album by American rock group The Beach Boys, their first on Reprise Records. The album achieved number 151 on the US albums chart during a four week stay, becoming the lowest charting Beach Boys album until 1978's M.I.U. Album equalled it. It reached #29 in the UK.
The album's critical reputation has grown since its original appearance. In 2003, the album was ranked number 380 on Rolling Stone magazine's list of the 500 greatest albums of all time.[1] Sunflower is now paired on CD with Surf's Up. In 2009, it was re-released on LP by Capitol Records.

"Surf's Up"

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Surf's Up is the seventeenth studio album by The Beach Boys, released in 1971. The album was released that August to more public anticipation than the Beach Boys had had for several years. The album title is taken from the song with the same title written by Brian Wilson and Van Dyke Parks for the abandoned 1966–1967 Beach Boys Smile sessions.

Perhaps this isn't a popular point of view but I have long felt that both of these records are probably the Beach Boys best post-"Pet Sounds"/"SMiLE" output.  Unfortunately neither album is without fault.  There are songs that are, for lack of a better term, filler. 

However there is so much A+ material on both albums that its a shame they cannot be combined into one 12 or 13 song masterwork.  Think of it as a way to create the Beach Boys fabled "Landlocked" album and re-write history.  The general public basically ignored these albums, as many of you know, but by combining the top shelf material here, you have the chance to remedy that.  This is all hypothetical of course and just for fun, so treat it as such, please.

My re-worked "Sunflower"/"Surf's Up" would be entitled "Landlocked" and would unfold as follows:

1. Slip on Through
2. This Whole World
3. Long Promised Road
4. Add Some Music To Your Day
5. Disney Girls (1957)
6. Forever

--

1. Feel Flows
2. All I Wanna Do
3. Cool, Cool Water
4. A Day in the Life of a Tree
5. Til I Die
6. Surf's Up (1971)


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: shelter on April 20, 2012, 12:18:55 PM
Unfortunately neither album is without fault.  There are songs that are, for lack of a better term, filler. 

I disagree. I love every song on 'Sunflower'.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: cablegeddon on April 20, 2012, 12:23:24 PM
My kick ass A-side

1. Slip on Through
2. This Whole World
3. Surfs up
4. Add Some Music To Your Day
5. Our Sweet Love
6. Forever A capella from Hawthorne CA


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Wrightfan on April 20, 2012, 12:33:43 PM
I seriously was just thinking about this today. Let's see:

Album title: The Fading Rock Group Revival (I also got a kick out of that  :lol)

Track list:
Side 1:
1. Slip on Through
2. This Whole World
3. Add Some Music to Your Day
4. Our Sweet Love
5. Deirdre
6. Forever

Side 2:
1. Long Promised Road
2. All I Wanna Do
3. Take a Load Off Your Feet
4. Disney Girls (1957)
5. Feel Flows
6. Till I Die


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: sockittome on April 20, 2012, 10:14:51 PM
I seriously was just thinking about this today. Let's see:

Album title: The Fading Rock Group Revival (I also got a kick out of that  :lol)

Track list:
Side 1:
1. Slip on Through
2. This Whole World
3. Add Some Music to Your Day
4. Our Sweet Love
5. Deirdre
6. Forever

Side 2:
1. Long Promised Road
2. All I Wanna Do
3. Take a Load Off Your Feet
4. Disney Girls (1957)
5. Feel Flows
6. Till I Die

Replace Take a Load Off and the puke-inducing Disney Girls with Cool Cool Water and Surf's Up, and you got yourself a perfect album, my friend!


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 21, 2012, 12:11:42 AM
Unfortunately neither album is without fault.  There are songs that are, for lack of a better term, filler. 

I disagree. I love every song on 'Sunflower'.
Me, too, could not eliminate any of them. 'Surf's Up' isn't quite as strong - I've always suspected it would have matched 'Sunflower' in quality if Dennis had contributed a couple songs.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Jason Penick on April 21, 2012, 12:58:17 AM
From Wikipedia:

"Sunflower"

Quote
Sunflower is the sixteenth studio album by American rock group The Beach Boys, their first on Reprise Records. The album achieved number 151 on the US albums chart during a four week stay, becoming the lowest charting Beach Boys album until 1978's M.I.U. Album equalled it. It reached #29 in the UK.
The album's critical reputation has grown since its original appearance. In 2003, the album was ranked number 380 on Rolling Stone magazine's list of the 500 greatest albums of all time.[1] Sunflower is now paired on CD with Surf's Up. In 2009, it was re-released on LP by Capitol Records.

"Surf's Up"

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Surf's Up is the seventeenth studio album by The Beach Boys, released in 1971. The album was released that August to more public anticipation than the Beach Boys had had for several years. The album title is taken from the song with the same title written by Brian Wilson and Van Dyke Parks for the abandoned 1966–1967 Beach Boys Smile sessions.

Perhaps this isn't a popular point of view but I have long felt that both of these records are probably the Beach Boys best post-"Pet Sounds"/"SMiLE" output.  Unfortunately neither album is without fault.  There are songs that are, for lack of a better term, filler. 

However there is so much A+ material on both albums that its a shame they cannot be combined into one 12 or 13 song masterwork.  Think of it as a way to create the Beach Boys fabled "Landlocked" album and re-write history.  The general public basically ignored these albums, as many of you know, but by combining the top shelf material here, you have the chance to remedy that.  This is all hypothetical of course and just for fun, so treat it as such, please.

My re-worked "Sunflower"/"Surf's Up" would be entitled "Landlocked" and would unfold as follows:

1. Slip on Through
2. This Whole World
3. Long Promised Road
4. Add Some Music To Your Day
5. Disney Girls (1957)
6. Forever

--

1. Feel Flows
2. All I Wanna Do
3. Cool, Cool Water
4. A Day in the Life of a Tree
5. Til I Die
6. Surf's Up (1971)


Christ Jesus, you couldn't just leave this post over on Hoffman and be done with it?

I'll put it like this to you:  Sunflower and Surf's Up are both masterpieces.  If you don't get that, then it is probable you are listening with "dead ears, mate", as Russell Crowe would say.

Are you aware how many songs the group cut just from Sunflower just to narrow it down to what it was released as?  You're coming in here firing on a band that was operating nearly at the height of their powers, and saying you know better than them what songs should have appeared and whatnot.

Look I don't mean to be harsh, but it's supremely lazy to quote a couple of Wiki links and then post your own special little track line-up of whatever albums you just know you could have sequenced better than the band and their label.  No one is going to agree with your choices anyway, so why bother?


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Dunderhead on April 21, 2012, 01:53:11 AM
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Christ Jesus, you couldn't just leave this post over on Hoffman and be done with it?

I'll put it like this to you:  Sunflower and Surf's Up are both masterpieces.  If you don't get that, then it is probable you are listening with "dead ears, mate", as Russell Crowe would say.

Are you aware how many songs the group cut just from Sunflower just to narrow it down to what it was released as?  You're coming in here firing on a band that was operating nearly at the height of their powers, and saying you know better than them what songs should have appeared and whatnot.

Look I don't mean to be harsh, but it's supremely lazy to quote a couple of Wiki links and then post your own special little track line-up of whatever albums you just know you could have sequenced better than the band and their label.  No one is going to agree with your choices anyway, so why bother?

Whoa, it's just a bit of fun, don't let it get to you.

Personally I think the two albums are a bit too different. Sunflower works as almost an album of only love songs. Surf's Up is much darker. They almost feel like a double album on the twofer, Desper's engineering give them a similar vibe.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: MBE on April 21, 2012, 02:47:41 AM
They are both too good to make into one album. I think The Beach Boys could have made them double albums with all the good stuff around at the time.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Summertime Blooz on April 21, 2012, 09:03:16 AM
I don't understand the premise. If you think these albums represent the zenith of their post Pet Sounds output (which I kind of agree with, actually), why would you want to diminish them into a single album?


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Wrightfan on April 21, 2012, 09:17:25 AM
I seriously was just thinking about this today. Let's see:

Album title: The Fading Rock Group Revival (I also got a kick out of that  :lol)

Track list:
Side 1:
1. Slip on Through
2. This Whole World
3. Add Some Music to Your Day
4. Our Sweet Love
5. Deirdre
6. Forever

Side 2:
1. Long Promised Road
2. All I Wanna Do
3. Take a Load Off Your Feet
4. Disney Girls (1957)
5. Feel Flows
6. Till I Die

Replace Take a Load Off and the puke-inducing Disney Girls with Cool Cool Water and Surf's Up, and you got yourself a perfect album, my friend!

I like Disney Girls and Take a Load Off Your Feet is not THAT bad.

I took off Cool Cool Water because I really don't like that version and I really don't care for Carl's lead on Surf's Up.


Title: Re: Where in the f*** is my goshdarn roast beef sandwich???
Post by: rogerlancelot on April 21, 2012, 11:49:29 AM
Why not combine Surfin' Safari with Summer In Paradise and add "Battle Hymn Of The Republic" and "(I Saw Santa) Rockin' Around The Xmas Tree"? Now THIS is a masterpiece:

Surfin' (1992 Version)
County Fair
Summer Of Love
Ten Little Indians
Battle Hymn Of The Republic (Extended by looping the whole thing twice)
Still Surfin'
Cuckoo Clock
(I Saw Santa) Rockin' Around The Xmas Tree
Remember (Walking In The Sand)
Moon Dawg
Under The Boardwalk
The Shift

This would be great to show to a first time Beach Boys listener, don't you think?

To the CD burner!!!


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Jon Stebbins on April 21, 2012, 01:12:36 PM
Hell lets shave down the entire Beach Boys canon to one song. That'll make it really pure. Eliminate everything except for Good Vibrations. No filler. Man...just think of the time we'll save!! Umm...maybe we could could re-edit Good Vibrations down to just the good bits. Yeah! :wall


Title: Re: Combining
Post by: Jimmie_R on April 21, 2012, 02:56:27 PM
Unfortunately neither album is without fault.  There are songs that are, for lack of a better term, filler.

I disagree. I love every song on 'Sunflower'.

Amen brother!


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Dunderhead on April 21, 2012, 08:11:54 PM
I don't know. Sunflower is not a perfect 10/10 album. For me Sunflower, Friends, and Holland all come just an inch away from true perfection. Depending on my mood I'd rank each of them somewhere between 9.0 to 9.9 out of 10. When I look at the tracklists objectively I can't find any fault, I enjoy every song in its own right, but there's just something missing, some little piece of greatness needed to put them over the edge. Pet Sounds (and maybe Wild Honey) is the only 10/10 Beach Boys album for me, it has some ephemeral aspect that heightens the whole affair to an unassailable pitch. Surf's Up and 20/20 are both fantastic but are even farther off from perfection than the others.

Sunflower has 3 songs to me that are completely brilliant, Slip On Through, This Whole World, and All I Wanna Do. The others I vacillate on a lot.
Add Some Music is superb,
Deidre is probably my favorite song by Bruce,
Got To Know The Woman works really well once you get used to it,
Our Sweet Love is somewhat forgettable but always tastes good going down.

Hell I even like Tears In The Morning. I know I'll probably get a lot of flak for this, but Forever is one of the songs on Sunflower I like the least. I know a lot of people consider it Dennis' signature song, but it doesn't move me as sincerely as say, Be With Me. I still don't know if I would cut it from the album, because it is quite nice, but sometimes I feel like it's holding the album back. My two least favorite songs on the LP are Cool, Cool Water and It's About Time. Again, I like both, but, neither really works as well as I'd like.
At My Window is a cute track, and honestly I don't know what to do with it. It makes me smile when I hear it, but on paper it feels totally disposable. I think my general problem with Sunflower is that there's just something slightly overwrought about it, like it's trying just a bit too hard. If another of Brian's songs had been rewritten, Games Two Can Play or HELP Is On The Way, and given more polished lyrics maybe it would have made the album perfect. Or maybe if It's About Time or Cool, Cool Water had been dropped for Break Away or Al's Cottonfields then it would have been perfect. Or maybe the album just needed a slightly different sequencing. I don't know, but there's just something about it that prevents it from really blowing on all cylinders.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 21, 2012, 09:41:27 PM
"Sunflower"

"Surf's Up"

Perhaps this isn't a popular point of view but I have long felt that both of these records are probably the Beach Boys best post-"Pet Sounds"/"SMiLE" output.  Unfortunately neither album is without fault.  There are songs that are, for lack of a better term, filler. 

However there is so much A+ material on both albums that its a shame they cannot be combined into one 12 or 13 song masterwork.  Think of it as a way to create the Beach Boys fabled "Landlocked"

Quotes AND underlined AND bolded AND italicized?

You are "OUT OF CONTROL", BUD.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 21, 2012, 09:50:38 PM
Also, one time I set out to make a simple Beach Boys mix, as a few friends were interested in their non-Pet Sounds material. It wound up being four 80 minute discs, and good fucking lord was it painful to make all the cuts I had to just to get it down to four discs.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Aegir on April 21, 2012, 10:38:40 PM
Here's the only Beach Boys mix I ever made, for my friend who's into yoga.

All tracks by the Beach Boys except *Charles Lloyd

1. Our Prayer
2. Meant For You
3. Steamboat
4. All This is That
5. Where I Belong
6. Wake the World
7. The Lord's Prayer
8. TM Song
9. H.E.L.P. is on the Way
10. Everyone's in Love With You
11. Rishikesh*
12. Be Still
13. Mama Says
14. Big Sur
15. Country Air
16. He Come Down
17. Been Too Long
18. A Day in the Life of a Tree
19. Be Here in the Morning
20. Passing By
21. Anna Lee, the Healer
22. A Time to Live in Dreams
23. You're Welcome
24. Transcendental Meditation
25. Cool Cool Water
26. Funky Pretty
27. Feel Flows
28. TM*

This should also be their live setlist.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: lance on April 21, 2012, 11:24:55 PM
Sunflower is perfect and Surf's Up could only be improved by the addition of 4th of July and Wouldnt it be nice to live again. I really think that would make Surf's Up absolutely perfect. As it is....it's missing something: Dennis.

I think they could have made a (lesser, but still enjoyable) third album with the outtakes from 69-71.

 Or I have played with the idea of Surf's Up being a double album, with one disc serious, topical songs, the other lightweight goofy songs. I made a specific playlist for myself once.
Basically 'Serious disc' is Surf's Up plus Dennis songs and minus Take a Load Off Your Feet.

Other Disc is, well, most of the outtakes from the time+Take a Load Off Your Feet.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Dunderhead on April 22, 2012, 01:20:58 AM
I don't really like 4th of July, the vocal sounds off. I don't know how finished it was but the released version needs some serious work to my ears. Here's a little fun, my alternate Surf's Up.

Long Promised Road:

1. 'Til I Die [This version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS34TZR3SNY&feature=related]
2. Lookin' At Tomorrow (A Welfare Song)
3. Disney Girls (1957)
4. California Slide [No count in]
5. A Day In The Life Of A Tree

///

6. Don't Go Near The Water
7. Feel Flows
8. Sound Of Free
9. Long Promised Road
10. Riot In Cell Block #9 (Live At The Big Sur Folk Festival)


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on April 22, 2012, 07:32:47 AM
I'll give this a go! Tried to make this a very mellow mix.

1.This Whole World
2.Slip On Through
3.All I Wanna Do
4.Disney Girls (1957)
5.At My Window
6.Our Sweet Love

1.Deirdre
2.Forever
3.Add Some Music To Your Day
4.'Til I Die
5.Feel Flows
6.Surf's Up


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: UK_Surf on April 22, 2012, 07:53:55 AM
Big fan of SF (Deirdre and At My Window are the weakest imo, but I understand the appeal). Lukewarm on SU - apart from the obvious stand-outs, it's an album that screams 'compromise'.

But why the fuss over wanting to pare these down? Recall that SF was one gigantic headache-inducing fiesta of cutting, re-doing, and re-submitting, and originally started life as an album called Add Some Music. SU was clearly the product of a grudging, squabbling committee. Why not continue the process by asking 'what if'?

Personally, I could go the rest of my life without hearing student demo time, disney girls, take load off, and dgntw and feel not one iota of regret. I understand the resistance to DITLOAT, but just happen to love it. Had those tunes been swapped with 4th of July, another DW tune, plus an Al folk cover or two, then it would make for a much more cohesive record.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Ovi on April 22, 2012, 08:03:46 AM
Unfortunately neither album is without fault.  There are songs that are, for lack of a better term, filler.

I disagree. I love every song on 'Sunflower'.


Same here. 'Sunflower' is probably the only Beach Boys album besides 'Pet Sounds' on which I truly like every single song.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Ovi on April 22, 2012, 08:05:36 AM

Unfortunately neither album is without fault.  There are songs that are, for lack of a better term, filler.

I disagree. I love every song on 'Sunflower'.

Same here. 'Sunflower' is probably the only Beach Boys album besides 'Pet Sounds' on which I truly like every single song.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: sockittome on April 22, 2012, 08:24:23 AM
Big fan of SF (Deirdre and At My Window are the weakest imo, but I understand the appeal). Lukewarm on SU - apart from the obvious stand-outs, it's an album that screams 'compromise'.

Personally, I could go the rest of my life without hearing student demo time, disney girls, take load off, and dgntw and feel not one iota of regret.

I agree 98% on the first statement (I would have stated Tears and At My Window as the weak tracks; I like Deirdre for it's 'classic' sound).  The second statement is right on the money.  For me, Surf's Up has some great tracks, but it runs out of steam pretty drastically in places.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Fro on April 22, 2012, 08:27:25 AM
Here's the Sunflower/Add Some Music-era playlist I have on Spotify right now

Slip on Through
Break Away
This Whole World
Add Some Music To Your Day
Susie Cincinatti
Deirdre
It's About Time

Soulful Old Man Sunshine
All I Wanna Do
Fallin' In Love
Forever
Our Sweet Love
Good Time
Cool, Cool Water

Not really satisfied with it yet.  I'd like to add at least the piano tag of Tears in the Morning somewhere and maybe the Sail Plane Song/Loop De Loop hybrid edit the guy posted on Youtube (and adding in a few bars of "Carnival" in the middle of that).  Probably will cut a couple tunes and move some things around.  All I Wanna Do --> Our Sweet Love really flows well together even if it's a bit much.

Surf's Up is really so much different in tone that it's hard to mix in with Sunflower.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: chris.metcalfe on April 22, 2012, 09:35:22 AM
Sunflower is (nearly) perfect and Surf's Up could only be improved by the addition of 4th of July and Wouldnt it be nice to live again. I really think that would make Surf's Up absolutely perfect. As it is....it's missing something: Dennis.

Correct analysis.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: sea of tunes on April 22, 2012, 01:52:45 PM
You guys have opened my eyes a little bit to the charms of Surf's Up.  Sorry for posting, didn't mean to start a contentious thread.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 22, 2012, 02:13:45 PM
"San Miguel" is a good song, though the chorus makes me think of diarrhea. It just has that diarrhea sound to it. Anyway, it should have been on an album.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: sea of tunes on April 22, 2012, 07:13:32 PM

Quotes AND underlined AND bolded AND italicized?

You are "OUT OF CONTROL", BUD.

Don't let it affect you so badly.  Sorry, it's just my OCD coming through.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: sea of tunes on April 22, 2012, 07:15:33 PM

Christ Jesus, you couldn't just leave this post over on Hoffman and be done with it?

I'll put it like this to you:  Sunflower and Surf's Up are both masterpieces.  If you don't get that, then it is probable you are listening with "dead ears, mate", as Russell Crowe would say.

Are you aware how many songs the group cut just from Sunflower just to narrow it down to what it was released as?  You're coming in here firing on a band that was operating nearly at the height of their powers, and saying you know better than them what songs should have appeared and whatnot.

Look I don't mean to be harsh, but it's supremely lazy to quote a couple of Wiki links and then post your own special little track line-up of whatever albums you just know you could have sequenced better than the band and their label.  No one is going to agree with your choices anyway, so why bother?

Yikes.  :o  Posts like are why a lot people just lurk on message boards and never post.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 22, 2012, 07:30:40 PM

Quotes AND underlined AND bolded AND italicized?

You are "OUT OF CONTROL", BUD.

Don't let it affect you so badly.  Sorry, it's just my OCD coming through.

I'm just playin' witchoo ^_^


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: I. Spaceman on April 22, 2012, 08:40:39 PM

Christ Jesus, you couldn't just leave this post over on Hoffman and be done with it?

I'll put it like this to you:  Sunflower and Surf's Up are both masterpieces.  If you don't get that, then it is probable you are listening with "dead ears, mate", as Russell Crowe would say.

Are you aware how many songs the group cut just from Sunflower just to narrow it down to what it was released as?  You're coming in here firing on a band that was operating nearly at the height of their powers, and saying you know better than them what songs should have appeared and whatnot.

Look I don't mean to be harsh, but it's supremely lazy to quote a couple of Wiki links and then post your own special little track line-up of whatever albums you just know you could have sequenced better than the band and their label.  No one is going to agree with your choices anyway, so why bother?

Yikes.  :o  Posts like are why a lot people just lurk on message boards and never post.

Penick knows what he is talking about. Maybe more people should be lurking.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Dunderhead on April 22, 2012, 09:16:12 PM
Leave that stuff off of here. If somebody wants to make a thread they find interesting just let them. We don't need a peanut gallery to troll threads for us or decide what topics are good or not. Take that stuff over to something awful if that's what you want to do but don't presume to speak for the rest of us. If you don't like the thread tough, nobody wants to hear you whine about it.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Mikie on April 22, 2012, 09:40:38 PM
Haven't seen Penick's name pop up here in a long time.  Must be closely monitoring jmanley1's posts!  :-D


Title: Re: Combining
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on April 22, 2012, 10:29:27 PM
Surfs Up is a few Dennis Wilson songs away from being their best album outside of maybe Pet Sounds and SMiLE.

Something like:

1. Don't Go Near the Water
2. Long Promised Road
3. Disney Girls
4. Lady
5. Looking at Tomorrow
6. Carnival
7. Wouldn't it Be Nice to Live Again

8. Sound of Free
9. Feel Flows
10. A Day in the Life of a Tree
11. Fourth of July
12. My Solution
13. Til I Die


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 22, 2012, 10:31:18 PM
I seriously was just thinking about this today. Let's see:

Album title: The Fading Rock Group Revival (I also got a kick out of that  :lol)

Track list:
Side 1:
1. Slip on Through
2. This Whole World
3. Add Some Music to Your Day
4. Our Sweet Love
5. Deirdre
6. Forever

Side 2:
1. Long Promised Road
2. All I Wanna Do
3. Take a Load Off Your Feet
4. Disney Girls (1957)
5. Feel Flows
6. Till I Die

Replace Take a Load Off and the puke-inducing Disney Girls with Cool Cool Water and Surf's Up, and you got yourself a perfect album, my friend!

I like Disney Girls and Take a Load Off Your Feet is not THAT bad.

I took off Cool Cool Water because I really don't like that version and I really don't care for Carl's lead on Surf's Up.
I had to read that last part twice. How could anyone NOT love Carl's vocal on Surf's Up? That's what I missed so much when I heard the BWPS version.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 22, 2012, 11:58:00 PM

Christ Jesus, you couldn't just leave this post over on Hoffman and be done with it?

I'll put it like this to you:  Sunflower and Surf's Up are both masterpieces.  If you don't get that, then it is probable you are listening with "dead ears, mate", as Russell Crowe would say.

Are you aware how many songs the group cut just from Sunflower just to narrow it down to what it was released as?  You're coming in here firing on a band that was operating nearly at the height of their powers, and saying you know better than them what songs should have appeared and whatnot.

Look I don't mean to be harsh, but it's supremely lazy to quote a couple of Wiki links and then post your own special little track line-up of whatever albums you just know you could have sequenced better than the band and their label.  No one is going to agree with your choices anyway, so why bother?

Yikes.  :o  Posts like are why a lot people just lurk on message boards and never post.

Penick knows what he is talking about. Maybe more people should be lurking.

Everyone should start lurking. What say you guys?


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 22, 2012, 11:59:58 PM
Never understood why a group of people constantly mining old material just outright dropped those Dennis songs in 71 despite putting two albums out within the next two years. Dennis is all, "FUK YOOOO KARL THIS SONG SHOULD END THE ALBUM," and Carl's all "No" and then Dennis says "Well, may as well toss them aside forever then." What gives?


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: rogerlancelot on April 23, 2012, 12:51:11 AM
Forget about Sunflower and Surf's Up. Here's what I propose:

SUMMER IN PARADISE: DELUXE PACKAGE
US Mix:
01) Summer In Paradise (3:31)
02) Surfin' (3:46)
03) Summer Of Love (2:50)
04) Island Fever (3:27)
05) Still Surfin' (4:04)
06) Slow Summer Dancin' / One Summer Night (3:23)
07) Strange Things Happen (4:42)
08) Remember (Walking In The Sand) (3:31)
09) Lahaina Aloha (3:46)
10) Under The Boardwalk (4:09)
11) Summer In Paradise (3:54)
12) Forever (3:05)
UK Mixes:
13) Island Fever (3:13)
14) Strange Things Happen (3:18)
15) Under The Boardwalk (3:30)
16) Summer In Paradise (3:30)
17) Forever (3:00)
More Bonus:
18) Remember (Walking In The Sand) - Alternate UK Mix (3:06)
19) Forever - AC Mix (2:58)
20) Summer In Paradise - Live June 29th, 1993 (4:26)
20 Tracks - Total Time: 1:11:09

Of course the bonus DVD can include the videos for "Hot Fun In The Summertime", "Summer Of Love" and "Forever". Throw in a cheap plastic surf board toy, a poster of some suspiciously young looking girls in bathing suits and very brief/incorrect liner notes as written by Justin Bieber.

Believe me, I can finally chuck out the entire rest of my Beach Boys collection after I order this baby on Amazon!!!


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: hypehat on April 23, 2012, 01:49:42 AM
Never understood why a group of people constantly mining old material just outright dropped those Dennis songs in 71 despite putting two albums out within the next two years. Dennis is all, "FUK YOOOO KARL THIS SONG SHOULD END THE ALBUM," and Carl's all "No" and then Dennis says "Well, may as well toss them aside forever then." What gives?

Didn't he have a solo album in mind then? He probably thought he'd put them on that. And them promptly never finished it. So, near as makes no difference I guess.


Also, bravo Fishmonk. I. Spaceman has the distinctive air of 'Do you know who I think I am?' about him.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: phirnis on April 23, 2012, 10:13:39 AM
I agree Surf's Up could've used some DW material but I really think it's interesting that this is probably the only record of theirs that doesn't contain a single love song. Correct me if I'm wrong!


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: lance on April 23, 2012, 10:24:26 AM
Feel flows is about spraying sperm*, so that is close enough to 'love song' for me.


*according to the lyricist


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on April 23, 2012, 10:38:05 AM

Christ Jesus, you couldn't just leave this post over on Hoffman and be done with it?

I'll put it like this to you:  Sunflower and Surf's Up are both masterpieces.  If you don't get that, then it is probable you are listening with "dead ears, mate", as Russell Crowe would say.

Are you aware how many songs the group cut just from Sunflower just to narrow it down to what it was released as?  You're coming in here firing on a band that was operating nearly at the height of their powers, and saying you know better than them what songs should have appeared and whatnot.

Look I don't mean to be harsh, but it's supremely lazy to quote a couple of Wiki links and then post your own special little track line-up of whatever albums you just know you could have sequenced better than the band and their label.  No one is going to agree with your choices anyway, so why bother?

Yikes.  :o  Posts like are why a lot people just lurk on message boards and never post.

Penick knows what he is talking about. Maybe more people should be lurking.

To be fair, there are a few definitions of "masterpiece" but I think if the term itself is going to have any real meaning, the very notion of a band having two masterpieces is an oxymoron.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: phirnis on April 23, 2012, 10:58:23 AM
Feel flows is about spraying sperm*, so that is close enough to 'love song' for me.


*according to the lyricist

Wow, I always thought it was about, well, nothing in particular I guess... Great song though!


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: jwoverho on April 23, 2012, 02:54:43 PM
If I had to trim anything from SUNFLOWER it would be "At My Window" or "Tears In The Morning". I can only imagine the grief when WB rejected the first lineup.  Anyone else agree with Leaf that the disappointment over SUNFLOWER was a big reason Brian took another step back from the group?


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on April 23, 2012, 03:08:52 PM
I agree Surf's Up could've used some DW material but I really think it's interesting that this is probably the only record of theirs that doesn't contain a single love song. Correct me if I'm wrong!

I weirdly think Surf's Up is an absolutely perfect album (as is Sunflower). I think the Dennis songs would have messed up the flow and ruined the (largely imagined by myself) thematic continuity. Dennis' songs would have sort of muddled up Carl's and likewise. The Mike and Al moments really do serve to highlight the highs and create balance.

Plus Dennis was all over Sunflower, provided the emotional apex of CATP, and really brought it with Holland, so it wasn't like he got massively screwed.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: TheLazenby on April 23, 2012, 03:12:36 PM
What do you mean they could've made an 'interesting third album' out of the outtakes from this era?!

Uh......... they did.  "Landlocked."  Great album.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 23, 2012, 04:56:22 PM
What do you mean they could've made an 'interesting third album' out of the outtakes from this era?!

Uh......... they did.  "Landlocked."  Great album.

Not a real album.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: hypehat on April 23, 2012, 04:58:46 PM
Sunflower and Surf's Up have been combined into a masterpiece on the twofer. One of the best £5 I ever spent  ;D


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 23, 2012, 05:03:48 PM
Sunflower and Surf's Up have been combined into a masterpiece on the twofer. One of the best £5 I ever spent  ;D

^_^ was waiting for this post.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: rogerlancelot on April 23, 2012, 06:20:45 PM
Sunflower and Surf's Up have been combined into a masterpiece on the twofer. One of the best £5 I ever spent  ;D

^_^ was waiting for this post.

Me too! Wasn't it obvious?


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: I. Spaceman on April 23, 2012, 06:37:50 PM

Christ Jesus, you couldn't just leave this post over on Hoffman and be done with it?

I'll put it like this to you:  Sunflower and Surf's Up are both masterpieces.  If you don't get that, then it is probable you are listening with "dead ears, mate", as Russell Crowe would say.

Are you aware how many songs the group cut just from Sunflower just to narrow it down to what it was released as?  You're coming in here firing on a band that was operating nearly at the height of their powers, and saying you know better than them what songs should have appeared and whatnot.

Look I don't mean to be harsh, but it's supremely lazy to quote a couple of Wiki links and then post your own special little track line-up of whatever albums you just know you could have sequenced better than the band and their label.  No one is going to agree with your choices anyway, so why bother?

Yikes.  :o  Posts like are why a lot people just lurk on message boards and never post.

Penick knows what he is talking about. Maybe more people should be lurking.

To be fair, there are a few definitions of "masterpiece" but I think if the term itself is going to have any real meaning, the very notion of a band having two masterpieces is an oxymoron.

The singularity of the term is just one definition.

mas·ter·piece  (mstr-ps)
n.
1. An outstanding work of art or craft.
2. The greatest work, as of an artist. Also called masterwork.
3. Something superlative of its kind: a masterpiece of political ingenuity.

But yeah, if I had to choose one Beach Boys "masterpiece", it wouldn't be either of those records.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Mr. Cohen on April 23, 2012, 07:31:18 PM
Grass, Flowers, Sun and Storms

Side 1:

1. Take a Load Off Your Feet
2. Our Sweet Love
3. At My Window
4. Add Some Music
5. This Whole World
6. Cool, Cool Water (single version)
7. Carnival
8. Take a Load Off Your Feet (reprise)

Side 2:

1. Til I Die
2. Long Promised Road
3. Forever
4. Disney Girls
5. A Day in The Life of A Tree
6. Smog Rant
7. Don't Go Near the Water


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Dunderhead on April 23, 2012, 08:47:43 PM
If I had to trim anything from SUNFLOWER it would be "At My Window" or "Tears In The Morning". I can only imagine the grief when WB rejected the first lineup.  Anyone else agree with Leaf that the disappointment over SUNFLOWER was a big reason Brian took another step back from the group?

I think Brian was just upset that Good Time got cut from the final album off of "Add Some Music...". He really seemed to like that song.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: phirnis on April 23, 2012, 11:46:03 PM
I agree Surf's Up could've used some DW material but I really think it's interesting that this is probably the only record of theirs that doesn't contain a single love song. Correct me if I'm wrong!

I weirdly think Surf's Up is an absolutely perfect album (as is Sunflower). I think the Dennis songs would have messed up the flow and ruined the (largely imagined by myself) thematic continuity. Dennis' songs would have sort of muddled up Carl's and likewise. The Mike and Al moments really do serve to highlight the highs and create balance.

Plus Dennis was all over Sunflower, provided the emotional apex of CATP, and really brought it with Holland, so it wasn't like he got massively screwed.

I think either Lady or 4th of July wouldn't have been out of place on Surf's Up. That said, I do agree it's a perfect album in its own way and it certainly holds a special place for me because this is basically the one record that made me a "hardcore fan". Even many years after I first heard it I find BW's role in the making of this album incredibly fascinating. As a songwriter and producer he's barely there and still "'Til I Die" may be the best song he ever wrote, with the resurrected title track a close second. Now that is the stuff of legends.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Craig Boyd on April 24, 2012, 04:57:17 AM
I don't really like 4th of July, the vocal sounds off. I don't know how finished it was but the released version needs some serious work to my ears. Here's a little fun, my alternate Surf's Up.


Not finished at all. Carl's vocal was just a placeholder I think and the whole track had to be constructed for cd release. That's why it sounds a bit weird, beautiful, but weird.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Jason Penick on April 29, 2012, 01:00:24 AM
For what it's worth, I should apologize to JManley1 if my initial post came off as being harsh.  It's always fun to play the "what if" game by taking flawed albums and giving them your own spin, merging and splicing as one sees fit. I guess what triggered my light animosity was the records he picked.  The way I see it, Sunflower is near perfect from top to bottom, and Surf's Up was exactly the album they needed to release in 1971.  Combining them is futile; they're two different animals, and to my impression it makes no more sense than merging Party and Pet Sounds.  There's a lot of good, valid conversations to be having about the Beach Boys, and as such I see these types of threads as filler, but as somebody else said, if the thread doesn't appeal to me then I should avoid it and move on.  Fair enough.

Having said that, I think it bares mention that those of you belittling I. Spaceman are doing so at your own disadvantage.  What most of us know in terms of rock music history is a speck on a whiteboard compared to what he possesses.  Try throwing a few thoughtful questions about the Beach Boys his way, and you may get the answers you seek.  Mahalo!


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: mr_oleary on April 30, 2012, 05:41:01 PM
Ok, I listened to A Day in the Life of a Tree while on a specific substance that I shall not incriminate myself against using and it was the most f'd up thing I've ever heard.

I love Brian but dear god that song is deranged.  Not even 'oh it's so sad Brian was in a bad place so it's beautiful in a way' deranged I mean just flat out DERANGED


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on May 01, 2012, 12:34:45 PM
I don't really like 4th of July, the vocal sounds off. I don't know how finished it was but the released version needs some serious work to my ears. Here's a little fun, my alternate Surf's Up.


Not finished at all. Carl's vocal was just a placeholder I think and the whole track had to be constructed for cd release. That's why it sounds a bit weird, beautiful, but weird.

This i didn't know - that it was so unfinished - but i totally disagree that it sounds weird. I think it's a stunningly beautiful song, and i love how Carl's voice is so to the fore. I'd always assumed that's how it was supposed to be. Sounds terrific to me. Wish it's made it onto Surf's Up in place of TALOYF. So odd that Dennis's songs were dropped - whatever the reasons (argument with Carl, etc) couldn't they have just released a TWELVE track album? Why did it have to be such a short record??


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Jim V. on May 01, 2012, 01:13:12 PM
Never understood why a group of people constantly mining old material just outright dropped those Dennis songs in 71 despite putting two albums out within the next two years. Dennis is all, "FUK YOOOO KARL THIS SONG SHOULD END THE ALBUM," and Carl's all "No" and then Dennis says "Well, may as well toss them aside forever then." What gives?

Didn't he have a solo album in mind then? He probably thought he'd put them on that. And them promptly never finished it. So, near as makes no difference I guess.


Also, bravo Fishmonk. I. Spaceman has the distinctive air of 'Do you know who I think I am?' about him.

Yeah, that guys comments have mean nearly all mean spirited since he's been on here. I just don't find it constructive.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: I. Spaceman on May 01, 2012, 06:54:18 PM
Never understood why a group of people constantly mining old material just outright dropped those Dennis songs in 71 despite putting two albums out within the next two years. Dennis is all, "FUK YOOOO KARL THIS SONG SHOULD END THE ALBUM," and Carl's all "No" and then Dennis says "Well, may as well toss them aside forever then." What gives?

Didn't he have a solo album in mind then? He probably thought he'd put them on that. And them promptly never finished it. So, near as makes no difference I guess.


Also, bravo Fishmonk. I. Spaceman has the distinctive air of 'Do you know who I think I am?' about him.

Yeah, that guys comments have mean nearly all mean spirited since he's been on here. I just don't find it constructive.

That may be because I genuinely dislike most of you, and I was around here before most of you as well (and then split with most of the rest of those from the Smile Shop). Therefore I don't take some of the things said here that seriously, and I spend a lot of time laughing at what I do read (but that's what I come here for, really). But a few people here, I like quite a bit. Especially The Real Beach Boy. He's cool. Old friend. I like Andrew Doe a lot too (tho I think he dislikes me, because of some old scrap or two). If ya'll want, come to mine and Jon Hunt's message board and start a fight or two, I don't mind.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: the captain on May 01, 2012, 07:09:09 PM
Never understood why a group of people constantly mining old material just outright dropped those Dennis songs in 71 despite putting two albums out within the next two years. Dennis is all, "FUK YOOOO KARL THIS SONG SHOULD END THE ALBUM," and Carl's all "No" and then Dennis says "Well, may as well toss them aside forever then." What gives?

Didn't he have a solo album in mind then? He probably thought he'd put them on that. And them promptly never finished it. So, near as makes no difference I guess.


Also, bravo Fishmonk. I. Spaceman has the distinctive air of 'Do you know who I think I am?' about him.

Yeah, that guys comments have mean nearly all mean spirited since he's been on here. I just don't find it constructive.

That may be because I genuinely dislike most of you, and I was around here before most of you as well (and then split with most of the rest of those from the Smile Shop). Therefore I don't take some of the things said here that seriously, and I spend a lot of time laughing at what I do read (but that's what I come here for, really). But a few people here, I like quite a bit. Especially The Real Beach Boy. He's cool. Old friend. I like Andrew Doe a lot too (tho I think he dislikes me, because of some old scrap or two). If ya'll want, come to mine and Jon Hunt's message board and start a fight or two, I don't mind.

You're sassy. Are you a demon? If so, I'll have you know I am a demon-fighting genius.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: I. Spaceman on May 01, 2012, 08:24:08 PM
Never understood why a group of people constantly mining old material just outright dropped those Dennis songs in 71 despite putting two albums out within the next two years. Dennis is all, "FUK YOOOO KARL THIS SONG SHOULD END THE ALBUM," and Carl's all "No" and then Dennis says "Well, may as well toss them aside forever then." What gives?

Didn't he have a solo album in mind then? He probably thought he'd put them on that. And them promptly never finished it. So, near as makes no difference I guess.


Also, bravo Fishmonk. I. Spaceman has the distinctive air of 'Do you know who I think I am?' about him.

Yeah, that guys comments have mean nearly all mean spirited since he's been on here. I just don't find it constructive.

That may be because I genuinely dislike most of you, and I was around here before most of you as well (and then split with most of the rest of those from the Smile Shop). Therefore I don't take some of the things said here that seriously, and I spend a lot of time laughing at what I do read (but that's what I come here for, really). But a few people here, I like quite a bit. Especially The Real Beach Boy. He's cool. Old friend. I like Andrew Doe a lot too (tho I think he dislikes me, because of some old scrap or two). If ya'll want, come to mine and Jon Hunt's message board and start a fight or two, I don't mind.

You're sassy. Are you a demon? If so, I'll have you know I am a demon-fighting genius.


Oh yes, I love you too. Sorry I didn't mention your name!
I love Bubba Ho-Tep too. Whatta guy.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Custom Machine on May 01, 2012, 08:56:08 PM
Way too many great songs on Sunflower and Surf's Up to combine into one 12 track LP, imo, but it was actually done back in the early to mid 70s.  Saw it at as an import (don't recall from what country) at Tower Records in San Francisco roughly around 1974, give or take a couple of years.  I think it was simply called Sunflower/Surf's Up.  It obviously contained a bunch of great songs, and I initially considered buying it as an alternate way to listen to the tracks contained therein, but rejected the idea since too much good stuff from those LPs was not on this import.



Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 02, 2012, 05:09:04 AM
Never understood why a group of people constantly mining old material just outright dropped those Dennis songs in 71 despite putting two albums out within the next two years. Dennis is all, "FUK YOOOO KARL THIS SONG SHOULD END THE ALBUM," and Carl's all "No" and then Dennis says "Well, may as well toss them aside forever then." What gives?

Didn't he have a solo album in mind then? He probably thought he'd put them on that. And them promptly never finished it. So, near as makes no difference I guess.


Also, bravo Fishmonk. I. Spaceman has the distinctive air of 'Do you know who I think I am?' about him.

Yeah, that guys comments have mean nearly all mean spirited since he's been on here. I just don't find it constructive.

That may be because I genuinely dislike most of you, and I was around here before most of you as well (and then split with most of the rest of those from the Smile Shop). Therefore I don't take some of the things said here that seriously, and I spend a lot of time laughing at what I do read (but that's what I come here for, really). But a few people here, I like quite a bit. Especially The Real Beach Boy. He's cool. Old friend. I like Andrew Doe a lot too (tho I think he dislikes me, because of some old scrap or two). If ya'll want, come to mine and Jon Hunt's message board and start a fight or two, I don't mind.
Fan communties change over time, this place is still fun with posters who know their BBs for the most part. Plus newer fans who take the band seriously are learning the massive amounts of information stored in the old thread archives. Things change, but BBs fandom continues. Visited your board and its cool as well.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Jim V. on May 10, 2012, 10:09:01 PM
Never understood why a group of people constantly mining old material just outright dropped those Dennis songs in 71 despite putting two albums out within the next two years. Dennis is all, "FUK YOOOO KARL THIS SONG SHOULD END THE ALBUM," and Carl's all "No" and then Dennis says "Well, may as well toss them aside forever then." What gives?

Didn't he have a solo album in mind then? He probably thought he'd put them on that. And them promptly never finished it. So, near as makes no difference I guess.


Also, bravo Fishmonk. I. Spaceman has the distinctive air of 'Do you know who I think I am?' about him.

Yeah, that guys comments have mean nearly all mean spirited since he's been on here. I just don't find it constructive.

That may be because I genuinely dislike most of you, and I was around here before most of you as well (and then split with most of the rest of those from the Smile Shop). Therefore I don't take some of the things said here that seriously, and I spend a lot of time laughing at what I do read (but that's what I come here for, really). But a few people here, I like quite a bit. Especially The Real Beach Boy. He's cool. Old friend. I like Andrew Doe a lot too (tho I think he dislikes me, because of some old scrap or two). If ya'll want, come to mine and Jon Hunt's message board and start a fight or two, I don't mind.

Sorry, I never caught this one, but I'd like to respond. You genuinely dislike most of us on here? Why? Because some of the people here are new and don't know as much about The Beach Boys as you or I? I think that is elitist bullshit. Same thing with not taking people here seriously. Obviously, there is quite a few people on here that are kinda lame, but so what? It's a fucking message board. Take the good with the bad, and don't pay attention to what you don't like. I understand that some stupid ass sh*t went down in 2005 (?) or whenever. And I could understand why certain people wouldn't want to be associated with certain owners of this page if they indeed did what was being said about him. But it got turned into something more. It turned into some weird kind of obsession that continues to this day. It seems like a disdain for those who just got into The Beach Boys and want to discuss them on here. Like it's lame to discuss The Beach Boys. But I mean, hey, this is a Beach Boys board, so why wouldn't we discuss them. If you want to make a board that centers on other things, thats awesome, but you don't have to put down people that might be in the same shoes you were in years ago. I was a lurker on here for years before I finally started to post and this was after all that happened, but its bugged me that you treat the people here as bush league.  Now it seems that you only have a valid cool Beach Boys opinion is if you post in the revolving room and have a post-hipster mindset on the band. Like its uncool for the new fans who just found stuff like "Heroes And Villains" or "Caroline No" because, like, "me and my group of totally awesome internet buds were digging those sounds back in '89 and now I don't really care for The Beach Boys, but I mean, if I had to, I'd take 'Chug a Lug' over their entire late '60s output. And make sure not to go to that other, shittier board, cuz those guys are totally LAME!"

Yeah, I went to your record page and asked a few questions and promptly got banned because snarky bullshit is only acceptable if it's coming from you. If it's coming at you, you shut down discussion and ban the offender because sh*t talking the board owner isn't allowed it your board, only this one. Your little record room actually does some to have a few people that produce some good discussion, but some of the stuff from you and one of those Jo(h)n's is just unnecessary meanness. There's no problem having a foul taste in your mouth about why owners of boards have done, but disliking people who are unknowingly part of said person's board is lame and I guess I'll never get it.  I've learned cool things from both of these boards, and it'd be nicer if Beach Boys fans could be nice to each other rather than some high school cafeteria hierarchy.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: over and over on May 11, 2012, 03:13:39 AM
Sunflower is the greatest album EVER!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: I. Spaceman on May 11, 2012, 09:12:36 AM

Yeah, I went to your record page and asked a few questions and promptly got banned 

Haha, that says it all.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Mikie on May 11, 2012, 09:33:39 AM

What SweetdudeJim said.  




Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: b00ts on May 11, 2012, 10:47:53 AM
Never understood why a group of people constantly mining old material just outright dropped those Dennis songs in 71 despite putting two albums out within the next two years. Dennis is all, "FUK YOOOO KARL THIS SONG SHOULD END THE ALBUM," and Carl's all "No" and then Dennis says "Well, may as well toss them aside forever then." What gives?

Didn't he have a solo album in mind then? He probably thought he'd put them on that. And them promptly never finished it. So, near as makes no difference I guess.


Also, bravo Fishmonk. I. Spaceman has the distinctive air of 'Do you know who I think I am?' about him.

Yeah, that guys comments have mean nearly all mean spirited since he's been on here. I just don't find it constructive.

That may be because I genuinely dislike most of you, and I was around here before most of you as well (and then split with most of the rest of those from the Smile Shop). Therefore I don't take some of the things said here that seriously, and I spend a lot of time laughing at what I do read (but that's what I come here for, really). But a few people here, I like quite a bit. Especially The Real Beach Boy. He's cool. Old friend. I like Andrew Doe a lot too (tho I think he dislikes me, because of some old scrap or two). If ya'll want, come to mine and Jon Hunt's message board and start a fight or two, I don't mind.

Sorry, I never caught this one, but I'd like to respond. You genuinely dislike most of us on here? Why? Because some of the people here are new and don't know as much about The Beach Boys as you or I? I think that is elitist bullsh*t. Same thing with not taking people here seriously. Obviously, there is quite a few people on here that are kinda lame, but so what? It's a f*cking message board. Take the good with the bad, and don't pay attention to what you don't like. I understand that some stupid ass sh*t went down in 2005 (?) or whenever. And I could understand why certain people wouldn't want to be associated with certain owners of this page if they indeed did what was being said about him. But it got turned into something more. It turned into some weird kind of obsession that continues to this day. It seems like a disdain for those who just got into The Beach Boys and want to discuss them on here. Like it's lame to discuss The Beach Boys. But I mean, hey, this is a Beach Boys board, so why wouldn't we discuss them. If you want to make a board that centers on other things, thats awesome, but you don't have to put down people that might be in the same shoes you were in years ago. I was a lurker on here for years before I finally started to post and this was after all that happened, but its bugged me that you treat the people here as bush league.  Now it seems that you only have a valid cool Beach Boys opinion is if you post in the revolving room and have a post-hipster mindset on the band. Like its uncool for the new fans who just found stuff like "Heroes And Villains" or "Caroline No" because, like, "me and my group of totally awesome internet buds were digging those sounds back in '89 and now I don't really care for The Beach Boys, but I mean, if I had to, I'd take 'Chug a Lug' over their entire late '60s output. And make sure not to go to that other, sh*ttier board, cuz those guys are totally LAME!"

Yeah, I went to your record page and asked a few questions and promptly got banned because snarky bullsh*t is only acceptable if it's coming from you. If it's coming at you, you shut down discussion and ban the offender because sh*t talking the board owner isn't allowed it your board, only this one. Your little record room actually does some to have a few people that produce some good discussion, but some of the stuff from you and one of those Jo(h)n's is just unnecessary meanness. There's no problem having a foul taste in your mouth about why owners of boards have done, but disliking people who are unknowingly part of said person's board is lame and I guess I'll never get it.  I've learned cool things from both of these boards, and it'd be nicer if Beach Boys fans could be nice to each other rather than some high school cafeteria hierarchy.
It depends. If Ian likes me, then I disagree and look down on you. If he doesn't, I am on your side. It's all about status around here, and I want, nay, need to be one of the cool kids on this Beach Boys messageboard.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Jim V. on May 11, 2012, 11:18:42 AM

Yeah, I went to your record page and asked a few questions and promptly got banned  

Haha, that says it all.

I got banned because you didn't want dissent on your board. It's only cool when you come over here and do it, because everybody over here is so lame. It's totally ok for you to look down on everybody else though. Cool bro.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: pixletwin on May 11, 2012, 12:28:39 PM

Yeah, I went to your record page and asked a few questions and promptly got banned  

Haha, that says it all.

I got banned because you didn't want dissent on your board. It's only cool when you come over here and do it, because everybody over here is so lame. It's totally ok for you to look down on everybody else though. Cool bro.

I decided to not even join up because his website's design gave me a headache.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: I. Spaceman on May 11, 2012, 01:27:32 PM
Snort snort away, little piggies. By the way, Sweetdude, I wasn't the one who banned you, although you may need to believe that.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: pixletwin on May 11, 2012, 02:00:43 PM
Not "snorting" and certainly didn't mean to come off as trolling. Get rid of the background images and it would be much more readable.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: I. Spaceman on May 11, 2012, 02:17:34 PM
Not "snorting" and certainly didn't mean to come off as trolling. Get rid of the background images and it would be much more readable.

Yeah, I'll get right on that.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: pixletwin on May 11, 2012, 02:19:14 PM
Not "snorting" and certainly didn't mean to come off as trolling. Get rid of the background images and it would be much more readable.

Yeah, I'll get right on that.

Excellent. Get me a Sprite too while you're at it.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Jim V. on May 11, 2012, 02:22:16 PM
Snort snort away, little piggies. By the way, Sweetdude, I wasn't the one who banned you, although you may need to believe that.

You didn't ban me? That's odd, because I remember reading a post by you saying something like "oh yeah? banned!" in regards to me. But even if it wasn't you, it's your site, and I don't think I did anything that was any more rude than what you constantly do on here.

Personally I love what Jon and John did, starting the Smile Shop and whatnot. But I don't understand why you just can't admit you kinda took all this far too personally and in the process, turned off a lot of people who might have something decent to add to conversation.


Title: Re: Combining
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 11, 2012, 03:09:22 PM
I'm stopping this right here. Not going to close the topic yet but it needs to get back on topic, and fast. I'm genuinely disappointed by what I've read the last page or so. For f***'s sake, treat each other with some respect.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: I. Spaceman on May 11, 2012, 04:29:21 PM
Not "snorting" and certainly didn't mean to come off as trolling. Get rid of the background images and it would be much more readable.

Yeah, I'll get right on that.

Excellent. Get me a Sprite too while you're at it.

You got it. Dig the funny taste. I added a special secret ingredient.

I don't understand why you just can't admit you kinda took all this far too personally and in the process, turned off a lot of people who might have something decent to add to conversation.

Well, it has less to do with taking anything personally than turning people off on purpose. Weeding 'em out.


I'm stopping this right here. Not going to close the topic yet but it needs to get back on topic, and fast. I'm genuinely disappointed by what I've read the last page or so. For f*ck's sake, treat each other with some respect.


Sure, you got it, Billy.


Title: Re: Combining
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 11, 2012, 04:48:03 PM
Thanks, bro.


Title: Re: Combining \
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on May 12, 2012, 11:01:54 AM
Well, i love Sunflower and Surf's Up is in my top 3 BB albums, but if i really had to compress 'em into one single album it'd be thus (and i've really tried to give thought to how each track blends into the next rather than just randomly listing my faves):


SUN'S UP (see what i did there?)

Side 1.
1. Slip On Through
2. This Whole World
3. Long Promised Road
4. Disney Girls (1957)
5. All I Wanna Do
6. It's About Time

Side 2.
7. Forever
8. Lookin' At Tomorrow
9. Feel Flows
10. Our Sweet Love
11. San Miguel (coz it bloody should've been on Sunflower so it's going on this!)
12. Til I Die
13. Surf's Up