Combining "Sunflower"/"Surf's Up" into a masterpiece

[Fro]

Here's the Sunflower/Add Some Music-era playlist I have on Spotify right now

Slip on Through
Break Away
This Whole World
Add Some Music To Your Day
Susie Cincinatti
Deirdre
It's About Time

Soulful Old Man Sunshine
All I Wanna Do
Fallin' In Love
Forever
Our Sweet Love
Good Time
Cool, Cool Water

Not really satisfied with it yet.  I'd like to add at least the piano tag of Tears in the Morning somewhere and maybe the Sail Plane Song/Loop De Loop hybrid edit the guy posted on Youtube (and adding in a few bars of "Carnival" in the middle of that).  Probably will cut a couple tunes and move some things around.  All I Wanna Do --> Our Sweet Love really flows well together even if it's a bit much.

Surf's Up is really so much different in tone that it's hard to mix in with Sunflower.

[chris.metcalfe]

Sunflower is (nearly) perfect and Surf's Up could only be improved by the addition of 4th of July and Wouldnt it be nice to live again. I really think that would make Surf's Up absolutely perfect. As it is....it's missing something: Dennis.

Correct analysis.

[sea of tunes]

You guys have opened my eyes a little bit to the charms of Surf's Up.  Sorry for posting, didn't mean to start a contentious thread.

[runnersdialzero]

"San Miguel" is a good song, though the chorus makes me think of diarrhea. It just has that diarrhea sound to it. Anyway, it should have been on an album.

[sea of tunes]

Quotes AND underlined AND bolded AND italicized?

You are "OUT OF CONTROL", BUD.

Don't let it affect you so badly.  Sorry, it's just my OCD coming through.

[sea of tunes]

Christ Jesus, you couldn't just leave this post over on Hoffman and be done with it?

I'll put it like this to you:  Sunflower and Surf's Up are both masterpieces.  If you don't get that, then it is probable you are listening with "dead ears, mate", as Russell Crowe would say.

Are you aware how many songs the group cut just from Sunflower just to narrow it down to what it was released as?  You're coming in here firing on a band that was operating nearly at the height of their powers, and saying you know better than them what songs should have appeared and whatnot.

Look I don't mean to be harsh, but it's supremely lazy to quote a couple of Wiki links and then post your own special little track line-up of whatever albums you just know you could have sequenced better than the band and their label.  No one is going to agree with your choices anyway, so why bother?

Yikes.   Posts like are why a lot people just lurk on message boards and never post.

[runnersdialzero]

Quotes AND underlined AND bolded AND italicized?

You are "OUT OF CONTROL", BUD.

Don't let it affect you so badly.  Sorry, it's just my OCD coming through.

I'm just playin' witchoo ^_^

[I. Spaceman]

Christ Jesus, you couldn't just leave this post over on Hoffman and be done with it?

I'll put it like this to you:  Sunflower and Surf's Up are both masterpieces.  If you don't get that, then it is probable you are listening with "dead ears, mate", as Russell Crowe would say.

Are you aware how many songs the group cut just from Sunflower just to narrow it down to what it was released as?  You're coming in here firing on a band that was operating nearly at the height of their powers, and saying you know better than them what songs should have appeared and whatnot.

Look I don't mean to be harsh, but it's supremely lazy to quote a couple of Wiki links and then post your own special little track line-up of whatever albums you just know you could have sequenced better than the band and their label.  No one is going to agree with your choices anyway, so why bother?

Yikes.   Posts like are why a lot people just lurk on message boards and never post.

Penick knows what he is talking about. Maybe more people should be lurking.

[Dunderhead]

Leave that stuff off of here. If somebody wants to make a thread they find interesting just let them. We don't need a peanut gallery to troll threads for us or decide what topics are good or not. Take that stuff over to something awful if that's what you want to do but don't presume to speak for the rest of us. If you don't like the thread tough, nobody wants to hear you whine about it.

[Mikie]

Haven't seen Penick's name pop up here in a long time.  Must be closely monitoring jmanley1's posts! 

[Magic Transistor Radio]

Surfs Up is a few Dennis Wilson songs away from being their best album outside of maybe Pet Sounds and SMiLE.

Something like:

1. Don't Go Near the Water
2. Long Promised Road
3. Disney Girls
4. Lady
5. Looking at Tomorrow
6. Carnival
7. Wouldn't it Be Nice to Live Again

8. Sound of Free
9. Feel Flows
10. A Day in the Life of a Tree
11. Fourth of July
12. My Solution
13. Til I Die

[Lonely Summer]

I seriously was just thinking about this today. Let's see:

Album title: The Fading Rock Group Revival (I also got a kick out of that  )

Track list:
Side 1:
1. Slip on Through
2. This Whole World
3. Add Some Music to Your Day
4. Our Sweet Love
5. Deirdre
6. Forever

Side 2:
1. Long Promised Road
2. All I Wanna Do
3. Take a Load Off Your Feet
4. Disney Girls (1957)
5. Feel Flows
6. Till I Die

Replace Take a Load Off and the puke-inducing Disney Girls with Cool Cool Water and Surf's Up, and you got yourself a perfect album, my friend!

I like Disney Girls and Take a Load Off Your Feet is not THAT bad.

I took off Cool Cool Water because I really don't like that version and I really don't care for Carl's lead on Surf's Up.

I had to read that last part twice. How could anyone NOT love Carl's vocal on Surf's Up? That's what I missed so much when I heard the BWPS version.

[runnersdialzero]

Christ Jesus, you couldn't just leave this post over on Hoffman and be done with it?

I'll put it like this to you:  Sunflower and Surf's Up are both masterpieces.  If you don't get that, then it is probable you are listening with "dead ears, mate", as Russell Crowe would say.

Are you aware how many songs the group cut just from Sunflower just to narrow it down to what it was released as?  You're coming in here firing on a band that was operating nearly at the height of their powers, and saying you know better than them what songs should have appeared and whatnot.

Look I don't mean to be harsh, but it's supremely lazy to quote a couple of Wiki links and then post your own special little track line-up of whatever albums you just know you could have sequenced better than the band and their label.  No one is going to agree with your choices anyway, so why bother?

Yikes.   Posts like are why a lot people just lurk on message boards and never post.

Penick knows what he is talking about. Maybe more people should be lurking.

Everyone should start lurking. What say you guys?

[runnersdialzero]

Never understood why a group of people constantly mining old material just outright dropped those Dennis songs in 71 despite putting two albums out within the next two years. Dennis is all, "FUK YOOOO KARL THIS SONG SHOULD END THE ALBUM," and Carl's all "No" and then Dennis says "Well, may as well toss them aside forever then." What gives?

[rogerlancelot]

Forget about Sunflower and Surf's Up. Here's what I propose:

SUMMER IN PARADISE: DELUXE PACKAGE
US Mix:
01) Summer In Paradise (3:31)
02) Surfin' (3:46)
03) Summer Of Love (2:50)
04) Island Fever (3:27)
05) Still Surfin' (4:04)
06) Slow Summer Dancin' / One Summer Night (3:23)
07) Strange Things Happen (4:42)
08) Remember (Walking In The Sand) (3:31)
09) Lahaina Aloha (3:46)
10) Under The Boardwalk (4:09)
11) Summer In Paradise (3:54)
12) Forever (3:05)
UK Mixes:
13) Island Fever (3:13)
14) Strange Things Happen (3:18)
15) Under The Boardwalk (3:30)
16) Summer In Paradise (3:30)
17) Forever (3:00)
More Bonus:
18) Remember (Walking In The Sand) - Alternate UK Mix (3:06)
19) Forever - AC Mix (2:58)
20) Summer In Paradise - Live June 29th, 1993 (4:26)
20 Tracks - Total Time: 1:11:09

Of course the bonus DVD can include the videos for "Hot Fun In The Summertime", "Summer Of Love" and "Forever". Throw in a cheap plastic surf board toy, a poster of some suspiciously young looking girls in bathing suits and very brief/incorrect liner notes as written by Justin Bieber.

Believe me, I can finally chuck out the entire rest of my Beach Boys collection after I order this baby on Amazon!!!

[hypehat]

Never understood why a group of people constantly mining old material just outright dropped those Dennis songs in 71 despite putting two albums out within the next two years. Dennis is all, "FUK YOOOO KARL THIS SONG SHOULD END THE ALBUM," and Carl's all "No" and then Dennis says "Well, may as well toss them aside forever then." What gives?

Didn't he have a solo album in mind then? He probably thought he'd put them on that. And them promptly never finished it. So, near as makes no difference I guess.


Also, bravo Fishmonk. I. Spaceman has the distinctive air of 'Do you know who I think I am?' about him.

[phirnis]

I agree Surf's Up could've used some DW material but I really think it's interesting that this is probably the only record of theirs that doesn't contain a single love song. Correct me if I'm wrong!

[lance]

Feel flows is about spraying sperm*, so that is close enough to 'love song' for me.


*according to the lyricist

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Christ Jesus, you couldn't just leave this post over on Hoffman and be done with it?

I'll put it like this to you:  Sunflower and Surf's Up are both masterpieces.  If you don't get that, then it is probable you are listening with "dead ears, mate", as Russell Crowe would say.

Are you aware how many songs the group cut just from Sunflower just to narrow it down to what it was released as?  You're coming in here firing on a band that was operating nearly at the height of their powers, and saying you know better than them what songs should have appeared and whatnot.

Look I don't mean to be harsh, but it's supremely lazy to quote a couple of Wiki links and then post your own special little track line-up of whatever albums you just know you could have sequenced better than the band and their label.  No one is going to agree with your choices anyway, so why bother?

Yikes.   Posts like are why a lot people just lurk on message boards and never post.

Penick knows what he is talking about. Maybe more people should be lurking.

To be fair, there are a few definitions of "masterpiece" but I think if the term itself is going to have any real meaning, the very notion of a band having two masterpieces is an oxymoron.

[phirnis]

Feel flows is about spraying sperm*, so that is close enough to 'love song' for me.


*according to the lyricist

Wow, I always thought it was about, well, nothing in particular I guess... Great song though!

[jwoverho]

If I had to trim anything from SUNFLOWER it would be "At My Window" or "Tears In The Morning". I can only imagine the grief when WB rejected the first lineup.  Anyone else agree with Leaf that the disappointment over SUNFLOWER was a big reason Brian took another step back from the group?

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

I agree Surf's Up could've used some DW material but I really think it's interesting that this is probably the only record of theirs that doesn't contain a single love song. Correct me if I'm wrong!

I weirdly think Surf's Up is an absolutely perfect album (as is Sunflower). I think the Dennis songs would have messed up the flow and ruined the (largely imagined by myself) thematic continuity. Dennis' songs would have sort of muddled up Carl's and likewise. The Mike and Al moments really do serve to highlight the highs and create balance.

Plus Dennis was all over Sunflower, provided the emotional apex of CATP, and really brought it with Holland, so it wasn't like he got massively screwed.

[TheLazenby]

What do you mean they could've made an 'interesting third album' out of the outtakes from this era?!

Uh......... they did.  "Landlocked."  Great album.

[runnersdialzero]

What do you mean they could've made an 'interesting third album' out of the outtakes from this era?!

Uh......... they did.  "Landlocked."  Great album.

Not a real album.

[hypehat]

Sunflower and Surf's Up have been combined into a masterpiece on the twofer. One of the best £5 I ever spent