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Did Jeff Foskett really get fired for leaking it? This is the best thing I own in my BB collection!!!!!
Why would they get mad for it getting out? I've only seen the 70 minute version, but there was some stuff that was fast-forwarded through.
I recommend everyone see this. Its very entertaining.

Where can I find this? I think I've seen some of this, but I never knew there was 70 minutes of footage available.

+1

This is the home video camera recording of Brian, Bruce and John Stamos around a piano, right?

After all these years I still haven't seen the whole thing!!
Possibly Most people have by now.

There is about 20 minutes on youtube.... Didn't know there were 70. It seems to have a definite end for 20 minutes, has it been edited?

Yeah, it was great seeing them all sing in harmony.
My copy had some stuff edited out, anyone know of a copy that's longer then 70 minutes?

I've never seen the 70 minute version but I love the 20 minute one nonetheless. You can really see how much Bruce admires BW's tunes. Nice to see them relaxed and enjoying some older tunes too.

In an interview in one of the fanzines, Jeff discussed why the Beach Boys fired him...and it had nothing to do with the "hotel tape."

The best moment of the hotel tape is when Foskett requests Surf's Up and Brian replies "That's p*ssy!".

put it up on megashare

Would you tell us what he said was the reason ? I never heard about it...

did they play Mona?

I wonder if they played Mona too!

Could not find the hotel link on youtube. Can someone post it here? Thank you

Yeah, they did actually...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY_-PXpoi4U

From memory Jeff said the band were touring with family members and trying to create a wholesome image. Jeff went another direction. ;)

All the old folks on this board have this video...BW.BJ.JF.  + Stamos..supposedly video taped by Fosketts wife..Very interesting stuff friends hangin + goofin off..Musically not much.. I heard Jeff got fired for mis managment of ML solo tour of Japan..Tour dates booked same time of a BB tour..Gerry Beckley sat in with BB replacing ML for some US dates..There are boot cd"s + video of this around..Of BB + ML japan shows..But why Jeff got fired is what i read here YEARS ago..AGD or some other insider might know more

That version on youtube is pretty severely edited, but you get the idea. I have always understood it was actually Kevin Leslie who did the taping.  You can in fact hear Brian talking to"Kevin" at points in the tape, and it would be consistent with Landy's orders that every move of Brian's be monitored at that time. This was during the BB's tour of Canada in July 1990 and Brian was "allowed" to fill in for an absent ML to meet contractual obligations.

I'm glad Jeff didn't get fired for leaking it, that would be a shame.
Its cool to learn all the history around this home movie. Wish they had made more stuff like it.

I've never heard of this before, but its so great. I envy Stamos there, seems like a dream come true

Didn't Jeff get caught playing Mona?

Wasn't this at Stamos' wedding ?

Yeah, Jeff got caught playing with Mona.

Did they do the Beatles' Please Please Me?

"Yeah, Jeff got caught playing with Mona."  ;D

I like that Brian refers to John Stamos as just "Stamos". it's like a boss thing. "Stamos! why haven't you completed the analysis of the internal audit?! I wanted that on my desk two hours ago!" "STAMOS! Market share is down 2%!"

I've never heard about this either - can some one elaborate?

Private family stuff. Was discussed in depth in the defunct Male Ego board back in the day, nevertheless.
And Jeff has mentioned in an interview that he had made some personal mistakes in his life, or words to that effect.

If only he'd said "Stamos if we reform in 20 years please stay the f*ck away".

No.  His wedding was many years later, post Landy.  The Beach Boys (sans Brian, who was at the wedding) did play a few songs at the reception

and did they do Please Mister Postman?

this PM thing is so stupid.

How about using AM instead? As in that Atrocious Medley that was released in 1982? That idea hasn't been used to death.

My thoughts on David Cameron exactly

Blah blah blah, PM, blah blah blah... :p

 :lol

Subtle with a capital "b".  ;D

HAHA, yeah.  I like them singing "Youv'e Lost That Lovin' Feelin'" the best.  They just let it all hang out and sing their hearts out, really cool to watch.  You can tell they obviously all worship that song like the rest of humanity does. 

Does anyone still have the video in question? Have the audio but would love to see the visual of this!

no but the audio is rad. when brian remembers add some music its like wow.

Is there an update on the YouTube link? The one from several posts ago doesn't seem to work at all. Thank you very much. I would like to see whatever is already public.

I just heard this mentioned on another post...  I'm a bit confused as to what happened on it?  Was it really filmed by the surf Nazis??

I've seen the long version of this but not in quite awhile. What struck me about it was , if you didn't know who the three people on the tape were, you'd think that Bruce was the really talented, professional . There he is playing the piano and singing beautfully
(Disney Girls etc.) and then there's Brian ; singing off key and playing his usual brand of chopsticks piano and performing that damn Rock 'n Roll tune which seemed to have become his '90's version of Ding Dang.

I've just read through this thread.  Brian also played with them at Cape Cod, July 4th and Mike was at that show.  So it seems as though Brian wasn't just filling in for Mike.  Rocker also wondered if maybe it was Stamos' wedding?

No, this was not at Stamos' wedding.  Both events you are referencing in your post are rather infamous in BB history. The 7-4-90 concert in Cape Cod as being Jeff Foskett's last ever show with the "Beach Boys" until C50 as he was fired thereafter, and this hotel tape which is legendary. The tape was indeed recorded by Kevin Leslie during a tour of Canada in 1990.  Mike was indeed back by the Cape Cod Show--that was July 4 after all and it wasn't unusual for Brian to hit the 4th of July back in those days.

If I remember correctly no one filled in for Michael on the 1990 dates he missed; Carl, Al, and Bruce just went out themselves with the usual backup members.

I thought Gerry Beckley did

Mike, Carl, and Al all missed some shows here and there during 1990. I believe the “In Concert” book mentions Brian filling in for Al for a few gigs at some point.

For the May-June 1990 shows that Mike missed, Brian didn’t fill in as I recall. Gerry Beckley sat in with the band, but didn’t “fill in” for Mike in that he didn’t sing Mike’s leads (other than a bit on “Sloop John B” as I recall). I’ve read one account of a late May show where it was characterized that Jeff Foskett sang most of Mike’s leads.

But there is also a recording of the June 2nd Barrie, Ontario show where Foskett isn’t present (I think Matt Jardine took the falsetto parts), and Al sings Mike’s leads. Mike missed those May-June shows because he was doing a tour in Japan with his sideband (“Endless Summer Beach Band” or whatever it was called), and I thought Foskett was part of that side-band (I’ve seen some Japan TV appearances during that Mike tour, and I can’t recall if Foskett was in the band), so I’m not sure how Foskett made it to some of the Mike-less shows but not others. Foskett definitely was absent for some shows around May or June, but was back for the July 4th show before permanently departing.

There’s also a recording from a show purporting to be from Tennessee at some point in 1990 where Al is absent, and nobody is filling in for him. I think Matt takes most of Al’s leads for that show.

Carl also missed a few gigs around September. A late September show from Tahoe circulates on a camcorder video, and they had a fill-in lead guitarist, but no fill-in vocalist. I think Bruce sang some of Carl’s lead parts (“Kokomo” for instance).

So typically, they didn’t call for Brian to fill in when one member was absent.

I think most of the corporate guidelines and/or tour riders at the time must have stipulated they had to have three BBs on stage. So I’m not sure why Brian “filled in” for either Al or Mike for a few gigs, unless specific shows/promoters wanted four BBs on stage.

if anyone has this video please put on youtube, for history's sake!

Here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx3eD9KU7C0

Enjoy!

you are amazing! thank you!

Just confirmed on 10452 that between June 29-July 4 Brian played with the BB's in Canada and Massachusetts, Mike being only at the 2 July 4 shows in the US. Per that site, the hotel tape was recorded July 2 in Montreal.  As others have posted, there were several dates missed in 1990 by Mike and/or  Al where Brian did not appear, and Carl indeed missed shows in late 1990 due to an appendectomy.

Would be interested to know how this 'calling in' of other Beach Boys worked. Was there some sort of 'Surf Signal' deployed in the skies over the US (presumably over a background of the California state flag) when a fill-in member was needed?

Did Mike and Al send tidings on the astral plane to Brian that he was needed and Landy willingly had the big guy parachuted onto the scene?

Actually a Mike-less Beach Boys with an on-form Brian plus Carl and Al handling lead vocals might have been very good indeed.

Thanks so much for the quick response! You are a credit to the community!

Thanks for sharing! Beautiful stuff going on here with Bruce and Brian---gem footage!  :smokin

After Dennis passed in 1983, obviously he was not replaced - not as a drummer but as a Beach Boy - by another "permanent" member such as a Bruce in the 1960's and a Blondie or Ricky in the 1970's. I always thought that, at that particular time, BRI took the position, "OK, we're going ahead as a foursome, but nothing less than four Beach Boys on stage." And, yes, I know Dennis missed a lot of shows in the late 70's/early 80's. Anyway, I thought that BRI still had some standards. That has changed and it appears that money is now the overriding priority.

That being said, BRI probably tried to adhere to their "minimum four Beach Boys on stage policy" and occasionally called in Brian or David or whoever to help out. It should not have been difficult to ask a band member to give adequate notice if they knew that they were going to miss a gig for whatever reason, medical emergency being the exception. All they had to do was notify management and have management make a few phone calls.

As a fan, I would be - and frequently was - disappointed when ANY Beach Boy was not present for a concert I attended, no matter if he was a favorite of mine, or not. That being said, we would probably be surprised at how many fans attending Beach Boys' concerts don't have a clue who they are seeing or hearing and wouldn't even know if a certain band member was absent.

It’s another one of the weird things that was a byproduct of the BBs incessantly touring. Some bands would cancel or reschedule a gig if one of their lead vocalists was out. But the BBs didn’t. They had no problem doing gigs with three BBs on stage. They were doing it all the way back in 1982 when Carl was still gone and Dennis and Brian would both miss gigs. There were a few Wilson-less BB shows in 1982.

The recruitment of David Marks in 1997 was probably also not coincidental in this regard either, with the knowledge that Carl might be missing some shows and that Al could very well be on his way out. I think David even spoke to this to some degree in some interviews in the 1999-early 2000s timeframe.

By later 1998 and then 1999, I would guess Mike just had the license and there was no longer any “minimum” BB corporate rule. Who knows, maybe the current license requires at least two BBs on stage, I dunno. I would guess not.

News coverage/review of one of the 2 shows they played on July 4th, '90 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jmUNTbGGJM

Thanks for posting that. Brought back some great memories. First time I ever saw Brian.

"Surf Signal." Awesome.

Thanks for the upload!

Here's a cool photo John Stamos posted on Instagram:

(https://scontent-mia1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/13261071_1737457039875950_198223192_n.jpg)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFnSplPih0t/?taken-by=johnstamos (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFnSplPih0t/?taken-by=johnstamos)

Time to make some new cover art for The Hotel Tapes!

One of my favorite parts of this video is Bruce continually trying to show Brian his "new arrangement" for "Caroline, No" and Brian ignoring him. Not a dig on Bruce, the little arrangement bit is actually nice.

I also recall that Foskett seems to be glued to Brian. I wonder if Foskett knew he was a few days away from leaving the band, and may have wondered if this was his last chance at an experience like this.

here is all 70 minutes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjYD4sn3pGo&list=PLvRRaqL2VXRW0thssBiUW42RTaoZJTVNe

It was 1981 when Carl was taking a sabbatical from the group. He returned in '82. I don't know if there were any shows the Boys performed without any Wilsons in the '80's .I think there was a clause in their contract stating one Wilson had to be present , at least while Carl was still alive. There were times in '81 when both Brian and Dennis would leave the stage during a song (Lady Lynda) and leave them "Wilsonless" for a bit. Thus fulfilling Mike's private fantasy.

Wow! Thanks so much for that, Tim.

My new favorite "Brianism" is from that tape. At one point Brian can be heard saying "Once you give up masturbating your muscles really start to go".  ;D

:lol

A brilliant photo. I wonder if there are anymore from this jam'? If the Hotel Tapes ever got official release, they should use that photo defiantly.

... Or footage....

it was actually Bruce who made the quip about masturbating.

I have the full 1hr 10 mins of this on a dvd (also have Brian's performance at the Handlery Hotel from later that month). Been trying to extract the files from the dvd onto my laptop but that's proving to be kind of problematic.

All this footage is easily obtainable (for a price) online.

Footage (for those who ain't seen it).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx3eD9KU7C0

Would love to see the 70min version....but what's with Stamos not being able to keep his hands off JF.  He's all over the poor guy.

I remember thinking that was a little weird when watching the video eons ago for the first time. I don't think there's anything to it; I just assume they were all in close quarters and all of them (especially Foskett) seemed to want to spend as much time with and get as close to Brian as they could.

While Foskett of course developed a very close relationship with Brian by the time he re-upped with Brian in 1999, I always sensed he, by default, had much less interaction during his 1981-1990 tenure with the touring band. Brian was already sporadically missing shows by December of 1981 when Foskett joined; and Brian missed some shows in 1982 as well before Landy II started. From that point on, Brian never regularly toured with the band, only doing a show here and there.

I'm sure Foskett still had some time with Brian during those years, during the odd studio session here and there, TV appearances, etc. But were they very close back then? I know Brian described his history with Foskett in liner notes somewhere along the line, perhaps to one of Foskett's albums, but I can't recall.

Really great footage. Especially nice seeing Bruce playing the piano; it is so easy to forget what a great pianist he was, when you see him onstage, year after year, barely touching his keyboard, just singing backup and clapping. I was kind of amazed he remembered all of Disney Girls. In fact, watching this, I compared Brian's piano playing with Bruce's, and Bruce is the one that can really play the intricate, pretty parts. Brian is much better at the rock and roll piano playing than Bruce.