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It seems promo copies are out and some amongst us have had a chance to listen. Not me, but Mr Schneider at the Hoffmn board has the following info on the Barnyard/Great Shape vocals:

Flown in from the demo, I'm afraid. Like I said earlier, Linett's SMiLE sounds like a well done fan mix, but from source tapes.

Thought it would be worth starting a thread (well, Manning suggested it) for all the revelations we will hear over the next fewweeks, and save ruining it for those that don't want to know.

Edit: Might aswell post the rest of the guy's 'reveals' here to save hassle searching the hoffman thread:

We skipped most of the H&V & Vibes discs and went for the meat of discs 1, 3 & 4.
I've got all the SOT sets and asst. SMiLE boots and projects. There are definitely some surprises! The Wild Honey Surf's Up is pretty damn fantastic! It's great to hear all the stuff in perfect quality that has only been heard in questionable quality for years- YAMS, Child/Father, etc. Linett added lots to the SMiLE album proper if these aren't original mixes, that is. The album itself is definitely an interesting listen- on par with a 'fan mix' but from tape sources. The vocal highlights track is fascinating.

and ...

The faint vocal singing "You Are My Sunshine" during 'false barnyard' is present.

 Can you give us any more info on what you heard please?! For instance, how is the two sided Heroes and Villains structured?!

There was no 45 included in the preview discs, CD's only. I'm curious about this one, too.

Any segues in the 2nd movement on disc 1?

As I recall there was nothing here to tie them together. No cross fades if that's what you mean. Nothing unusual jumped out at me.

New Vega-tables mix! http://www.facebook.com/thebeachboys?%20%3Cbr%20%2F%3Esk=app_108468622525037&sk=app_108468622525037

Very good idea.

Unfortunately I clicked on here anyways lol.

And this is the last time I'll visit this thread :o

Awwwwwwwwwww... now where's the fun in that ?  >:(

Just because you've heard it all already!

True dat!  This will be the fun SMiLE thread. 'Cause all the other SMiLE threads here are serious ones, right? Can't get enough SMiLE threads!!!  ;D

This is true.*


[* denotes statement may or may not be a vile untruth]

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wait so it leaked? please at least make it clear in another thread because I don't see anything about promo copies and I also don't want to get spoiled by reading this thread

Not leaked, per se... but people have heard it.

So, wait..

This is bad news. It doesn't sound great?

Well all we know is what one man on the Hoffman says, and he hasn't said much tbh. He said over there that it's probably best he doesn't go nuts with spoilers as to not get his friend with the promo in trouble, which is infuriating but understandable

OK, pre-emptive apology, because I'm in a bad mood, so sorry... but exactly where the f*** does anyone say in this thread that it doesn't sound good ? Show me.

Good idea

The "Linett's SMiLE sounds like a well done fan mix, but from source tapes." comment

Sounds a bit negative

I don't know. I don't think the guy is passing judgement as much as saying it's more like a fan mix with things like the Harv vocals flown in - that was my reading of it. I guess we knew it was going to be into fan mix territory after hearing the Heroes and Villains and GV mixes, but then arguably anything, other than unadulterated sessions, are fan mixes of a sort.

Here's a notion to consider - wait until you hear it for yourself before passing comment... and exactly how can "well-done" be a negative unless you asked for your steak rare ?

I'm far from passing judgement, I expect it to sound fantastic. I'm only interpreting the remark and asking if I'm correct..

The "fan mix" comment took me off guard. I may have read it wrong, no harm

Thursday Blues?  ::)

No, just pissed off with fuckwits and shitweasels in general.

Understandable

As long as that wasn't a sly dig  :lol

Better than the Radio Blues!

I got the radio, radio blues!
I got the radio, radio blues!

Top comment, Mr Grumpy, and I'll back you up by pointing out that he says "Like a well-done fan mix but from source tapes".

Well, there are some bloody good fan mixes out there, and none of them from source tapes. This should knock everything for six is my guess.

And yes, having suggested that spoliers have their own thread I shouldn't be here at all but as I'd already read the spoiler that prompted the spoiler thread I thought I'd spoil myself with some spoilers.

Off for a curry now though… please carry on without me.   ;D

Maybe it's time to disconnect for a little bit...

Bit of a bummer, but not at all unexpected.  Once we learned that only two tracks were sourced from acetates, you'd have to figure that these particular songs would still be missing leads. 

Jonas, as they say in the UK, Andrew is "spot on" with his adjectives.  Bad or happy mood, the guy's telling it like it is.  For real.  :)

Nah, AGD is just going for ghost's shock factor, is all. ;)

I can't find this at the Hoffman board, this is between my poorly daughter having diarrhoea and cooking dinner.

Can someone post a link to this info so I can peruse it later

Poor guy! And please, whatever you do, do not mix those 2 chores up.

Hey, it's effective time management. I'll just tell my wife it's chilli beef.

Anyhoo, thanks for the link

:lol


I posted the Hoffman link for you http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?p=6973608#post6973608 (http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?p=6973608#post6973608)

Thanks.


This I can't wait for. I love isolated background parts

Sure you all saw this on the Hoff thread

http://www.iconfetch.com/tonys-blog/403-smile-sessions-blog-post-2.html (http://www.iconfetch.com/tonys-blog/403-smile-sessions-blog-post-2.html)

Sept 20, 2011  I just talked with Beach Boys' engineer Mark Linett for my Icon Fetch show.   He mentioned that the LP version will have an entire album side of rarities exclusive to the vinyl.  And, from what I understand, the 45 included in the deluxe edition will be unique as well.

I asked him if the deluxe edition was essentially everything - he said that they started with roughly seven CDs worth of material and whittled it down to five.   He also touches on several myths - including whether Paul McCartney was actually at the "Vega-Tables" session, and whether Brian Wilson actually destroyed the session tapes for the "Fire" sequence.

We'll be posted the Mark Linett interview is a week or so...stay tuned.

ONE MORE THING - Mark agreed to come back on the show once the SMiLE sessions box is actually in stores to answer any other questions people might have.  You can leave those on my website, or email me directly at host@iconfetch.com and I'll pass them along to him. --Tony

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So, is this the vinyl set that is with the box-set, or will the seperately bought vinyl set have the exclusive material?

Hai guyz, this JUST in: androo g dough knows stuff AND he's in a bad mood!! Aren't we lucky to have a guy like that around these here parts?

Actually, yeah we are lucky. I'm not sure that I can say the same about you, though. ;)

Hai guyz, more breaking newz & stuff: androo g dough has a lot of sycophants around these here parts that luv 2 feed his bloated ego. Aren't we all lucky to have each other? <3 <3

Sage advice.

Group hug, baby!

Stop whining.

Both have the same musical content - the stand-alone vinyl has exclusive inner sleeve art.

Like I said, fuckwits and shitweasels...  ;D

Yes, sir, Mr. Police dad of the great board!

I, for one, am going to use the phrase 'sh*tweasel' at every available opportunity.

Andrew, believe it or not, that comment really brightened up my day! In all seriosity, that gem is going in my Facebook quotes. 8)

So who wants to count thread pages, make unfunny requests for PMs, and insult people?  I'm afraid this thread will start filling up with spoilers.  And then when the box comes out, we'll have to start talking about music, too.

OK, I'll start

The threads on 3 pages
Please Makem y day and send me the Smile Sessions

You are a poohead

I have spoken to SMiLE fans (if not experts) that have listened to the boxset. There are indeed a few things that are new [I mean, hidden in known titles].  I asked what was their favorite track and they all replied "Surf's Up 67". It sounds like  it's really gonna a be mind blowing version.
Make of all this what you will.

Hey, this is the freakin' spoiler thread.  If you're going to spoil, well, spoil.  What are these "few things that are new"?  Inquiring minds want to know.

at this point I'm not expecting much of anything. if there were new lyrics or vocals someone would have said something by now.

If I remember correctly, the law offices of F*ckwits and Sh*tweasel represented my ex-wife during the divorce proceedings.

Man, the spoiler content in here is blowing my mind!  :lol

If you play each disc at the same time on different stereos a vortex opens taking you to another dimension where Smile was released early in 1967 and colored the entire world with psychedelic music.  :brian

Let us all walk on eggshells until we're positively sure that he's over himself. ::)

Blueboarders, F*ckwits and Sh*tweasels, oh my!  ;D

This thread was necessary, just a little premature  :lol

It's insulting to F*ckwits and Sh*tweasels to group them in with Blueboarders.

Wondering how they didn't release surf's up 1967 much earlier as a wild honey bonus track?

It was recently found on a reel.

I have heard that it is AWESOME!!

Ha ha - you might be right there! Yesterday I thought the floods gates were opening and there would be revelation after revelation, but this spoiler thread is now looking a little tame. Just you wait though .... any day now ....

Really? I guess you're lucky  :) How different is this WH Surf's Up from the Columbia demo?

Ha, I hear ya man.

Move along.. nothing to see here!

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10016.msg206424.html#msg206424

The gospel choir's a bit much, tbh, but the grindcore breakdown is pretty amazing and it's really one of the first experiments with triggered samples ever, so it's more of a historical document than something you'd casually put on, y'know?

RALMAO - you missed the swung 16th note feel though ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Those f*ckers in Napalm Death have been ripping Brian off since 1982!

Mr Schneider's currently online at Hoffman so I asked him a couple of questions. Ok, by no means mindblowing but possibly of interest to some...



Can you give us any more info on what you heard please?! For instance, how is the two sided Heroes and Villains structured?!

There was no 45 included in the preview discs, CD's only. I'm curious about this one, too.

Any segues in the 2nd movement on disc 1?

As I recall there was nothing here to tie them together. No cross fades if that's what you mean. Nothing unusual jumped out at me.

Brian testing the new tack piano, different sound, different feel. Lots of awesomness.

check it out:

http://www.facebook.com/thebeachboys#!/thebeachboys?
sk=app_108468622525037
 (http://www.facebook.com/thebeachboys#!/thebeachboys?
sk=app_108468622525037)

Oooh good work Doe!

Oh sh*t loving this new vegetables!! Always been one of my least favourite Smile tracks but this is cool. And the fade finally works!

I had a heads-up.  ;)

Thanks! Listening to Vega-Tables right now.

Good work, this sounds amazing.

Where is Vega-tables? All I see is a link to the tongal site.  ???

EDIT: Nevermind.  :-\

Wow! Both versions of "Sleep A Lot" and "I Know That You'll Feel Better"! I didn't see that coming! Yes! Fade to Vegetables!

There is a SMiLE link under the profile photo.

Wow!   :o

before any "frankenmix" comments show up, i've gotta say that i LOVE this mix of Vega-tables!

and.....the fade!! mmm mmm baby, i'm excited.  :)

The fade coming out of that Bop bop bop doo da loo work so well. I've never been able to figure out a good way to integrate the fade but that works brilliantly. Thank god we've lost the cross fade.

I really liked it. I think this can squash anyone's fears that this will just be BWPS v. 2.0

The integration of that funky Do A lot is a total boon!

Yes. I am very impressed and SUPER EXCITED FOR MORE!

That session tape is hilarious.  :lol

MAN, THAT VEGETABLES MIX. It's the business.... It all sounds so clear! I'm used to hearing this on fuzzy bootlegs. Even the Good Vibrations box sounds a little tame, due to no-noising d'yer reckon? But this... it's PROPER.

Yes ("let's make you be the judge") but I got a question. The piano-only chorus, I thought it was tracked together with the verse piano. Were both sections tracked separately or is this just a rehearsal of some sort?

Pretty obviously a rehearsal, I'd say.

Coolio. Man, we are getting some good stuff!

I don't do facebook.  If anyone records this, I'd like a PM.  Thanks.

edit: Just heard it thanks to a member here.  Very cool!!!

Oh my, what a great mix...and it just sounds so very...1966!

Thank God they included the fade. There's just so much great singing on it.

A rehearsal? Trying to reason that out - Engineer says Take 1, Brian complains he can't hear everyone properly through his earphones? Either that, or he's gathering them round his good ear.  Would you bother with earphones and recording for a rehearsal?

That said, it's well casual. The alternative is that before or after Brian recorded his piano runthrough that's been booted, he decided to try and do the same sound but in sections. I'm getting a bit hyper/incoherent about it, as you might guess  ;D

WOW! They REALLY nailed it with Vega-Tables. Best "new" song from TSS so far without question. It just sounds so *right*.
Man, it keeps better and better  :)

this just occured to me....this sounds to be in stereo, correct?

well IIRC, the Vegetables mix in stereo is a side 4 vinyl-exclusive  ;D

First one is mono. Ergo from CD 1.

Love the new Vega-Tables mix!  Makes a lot more sense now, I dig the structure and the way they moved some things around.  The "bop bop bop bop" part into the fade is just brilliant, like it was always meant to be that way.

Same. Would be Appreciated.

Ah, my mistake.

I just gave in, it sounds great!

I really like the Xylophone on "Sleep a Lot" in the actual mix.

AND THAT FADE! YEAH!

So i would think that the audio player on that FB page is going to start filling up with more and more tracks as the weeks go bye, aye?

Let's hope, mister!

The rehearsal is the bomb. Like yet another 'controlled shambles' session (like so many of the vocal take/rehearsals on the SOT series)...and then, POW. The chorus in glorious stereo. Really liking this.

I'm not sure, but I bet that Denny has some hash joints. I just know he does. :smokin

I think that there's a good chance it was meant to be that way - there's no other way the fade can fit in, and I'll bet that the order of the tracks on the sessions disc is the order of the sections in this mix and "insert (part 4)" is "bop bop bop bop", always meant to be there. I have no proof, but I feel that this is more of Mark and Alan basing their mix on a well-done research rather than constructing what sounds good to them. Hopefully it will all be explaind in the liner notes.

I have strep, but this made me feel GREAT.

Who can say ? Not me, that's for sure... :)

 I can't get the audio player to work on my iPad. I press to play and the two listed files disappear.  :(

SMiLE - curing minor illness since 1967  ;D

All other considerations aside... just listen to the pristine sound quality of the mono take.  ;D

Oh my god, this is beautiful

ALL of the mono mixes we've heard so far sound amazing ... it's the kind of mono that makes people forget they're "missing" stereo panning. So deep and clear.

Hands down best version of Vega-tables I've ever heard.

Thanks for the heads up AGD.

Wow...speechless. The Vega-Tables mix works very well.

pretttyyyyyyy.  glad there's gonna be some change ups.  i can make due without my "round round round dig a hole in the ground" want

Fucking perfect! Never sounded so clear. It's like hearing it for the first time again  :'(

This how they should release it..Bit by bit... Because if we all get stuff like this in one hit in ONE BIG BOX we are all going to have cardiac's...
Does the box come with a health warning??

Absolutely stunning. This sounds exactly as Brian would've imagined it.

One quick question though, I thought the "fade" wasn't exclusive to vega-tables (as well as the bop bop bop section before it.)

OH MY GOD!

Well I think we can all agree after everything we've heard so far on 11/01 expect the unexpected.


ps anyone got a downloadable versions yet?

Good point - as the story has been told on this board, at David Leaf's suggestion, the fade was only tacked onto the end of the GV box set version of "Vega-Tables" to get more Smile music on there without having to pay further royalties.  I might be remembering incorrectly, but I thought that the evidence at the time pointed to it being originally recorded for "Wonderful."  

However, given that the aim of Mark and Alan seems to be historical accuracy whenever possible, perhaps new evidence has been discovered that actually links this piece to Vega-Tables.  I'd like to think they wouldn't have included it otherwise.

Wow, this is perfect. I didn't think I could be any more excited for this release, but I was very wrong.

I admire the people who have the willpower to avoid this thread. It must really make their hearts sink when they see it jump a few pages. :lol

If you're having problems hearing it on Facebook, I think I can help!

I think it's pretty remarkable to consider that they could have so easily replicated the exact structure of BWPS here, yet there are so many left turns and the track runs much longer.

Just listen to this back to back with the BWPS version. I think this set will rightfully put BWPS in its place. There is no comparison to the Beach Boys, not even close. Brian Wilson at the top of his game, the most amazing vocal blend in peak form, the production, those musicians. Who in the world neighs like horses IN HARMONY and makes it sounds so beautiful? Neighing/laughing in harmony with the chord changes, that is. There is 4 line counterpoint in the fade. Brian sounds insane and absolutely amazing in the weird whining falsetto. The fade is one of the most glorious bits of music even though their singing is so frenetic and charged that it's slightly off key, a rarity for them.

teh oohla teh oohla ROW ROW ROW ROW teh oohla teh oohla


 

I'm accepting PMs for the next hour or so.

I want to give Mark Linett a big hug right now

PM, si vous plait!

So that Sleep A Lot stuff was recorded by "Jerry" the engineer at Columbia?

God this just makes the wait feel like TORTURE!! Even though some people have been waiting for this for about 44 years!  ;D

PLEASE HELP ME!

I guess outside of Our Prayer, Wind Chimes, and Surf's Up, we have the most complete of the Disc 1 songs now, right?

(Un)Fortunately, we have...

H&V
Wonderful
CabinEssence
Good Vibrations
Vegatables

So... Kinda...

Ack, what's with all the sub-audio range hum from the control room on the Sleep a Lot session? Someone should have filtered that out...

I think if they were to try and remove that frequency it might compromise the rest of the audio.

It would seem that this version of Vegatables is based in part on some sort of historical documentation because this sequence seems way too unconventional for Linett to have taken it upon himself and arbitrarily put together, and it seems to go entirely against the tactic of presenting things to Joe Idiot in a safe and tidy way, especially since they could have easily given people the familiarity of BWPS. Then again, i'm inclined to think, given Brian's methods then, that he would not have used both Do A Lot sections. In this version, it kind of serves as the chorus (amazing that at one point, the two singles he had planned for the album didn't have a chorus; i love him), which makes it even less likely that he would have used both versions. Who knows.

On a completely different note, considering--if what the person on the Hoffman board is saying is true--that they've flown in the Humble Harv Barnyard and IIGS vocals, which require time stretching, how likely do you think it is that Holidays will have the Plymouth Rock vocals from Worms flown in and manipulated?

I agree, I think there's definitely some historical reason for the sequencing - given the choice between using the BWPS sequence and making his own very "out there" fan mix, I would have to think that Mark would have chosen the former.  Hopefully all will be explained in the liner notes.
As far as "Holidays" vocals, I'd say that's a pretty likely bet, since presumably those would be the only vocals on there in any case.  A few vocals is better than nothing.

Okay...so thanks to having the right Firefox add-ons, I can tell you this:

- The two "Vegetables" tracks, while they sound impressive, are low-quality: they're MP3-encoded at 128kbps.
- The tagged title of that mix of "Vegetables" is "Vega-Tables [clean start]"

Now to see if I can poke around the source code and see if there are any other songs sitting there that are simply not linked. :)

I am so fucking happy right now I could cry.  ;D Thanks for the link Andrew!  :bow

really weird to hear the bop-bop-bop's in a totally different place than we're used to. the two "sleep a lot" choruses will also take some getting used to.

I'm dying to know if this is based on a vintage mix.

Yo dawg, can i get a PM 4 an MP3? 

Just wanna point out that Mark and Alan worked on this project together, so we're not entirely sure who edited this one - either or both.

Holy sh*t, those tracks are awesome. The sonic details...parts never heard or buried under noise from crappy sources for years...unreal. Unbooted Smile, yeah baby.

During the first few seconds of the "Vega-Tables Fade", there is an interesting guitar picking that I don't remember ever hearing before.

Yes, I never heard that guitar part either! And there are several unusual vocals which sound new to me, or at least more present than ever before.

That session is fascinating too, just a glimpse but I could listen to that kind of thing for hours on end.

So much for the "Do A Lot With Toothbrushing Sound Effects" that was being hyped years ago...or is it? :-D

Assuming it ever existed, which I for one seriously doubt.

The mono mix of the fade contains a ukelele(?) part and a Brian vocal that were added during mixdown.  This mix was used for the GV Box version but because of the awkward crossfade used there it's easy to miss the ukelele at the beginning of the fade.  The full mix has shown up on SOT Vol. 17 and Secret Smile.

Fantastic mix BTW.  Manages to include a lot of the disparate sections without sounding like a "kitchen sink" mix.  I'm really curious about the mix used for CIFOTM, especially if it's acetate sourced.

That reel is probably buried in a closet next to all those Byrds tapes found in the Columbia dustbin... ;D

Interesting -- I had assumed that, while they were both co-producing the set, Mark was doing all the hands-on editing.

Yeah, right next to the Good Vibrations vocal sessions tape.....

Hi all,

Can somebody please PM me both tracks as I don't do Facebook/Myspace/Twitter etc so cannot listen, just got up and saw this post   :o

Many thanks, in advance!

Could any kind soul share the mp3 please?

Someone Please Me on getting this vegtables. When i click on the audio link in facebook it doesn't work for me :(

All I get is "Errors on this page" on facebook >:(

God hates you.

Seems like it AGD must be all my spelling errors I've made on this msg broad lol :)

so who thinks this version of vegetables would have been a number 1 single?

And the artwork that automatically comes up when you drop them into iTunes is Smiley Smile!   ::)   Tag?

I have to say I really wish this version would have used the keyboard overdub, you know the one I mean? The real glassy sounding one, not sure what instrument it actually is, but you can here it at the end of the Smiley version.

I love it, but not sure it's based on a vintage mix.

For one thing the way the whistle in the second "do a lot" faded into the acapella section. SMiLE = hard edits, not time stretched crossfades.

I think they had a lot of sections they wanted to include, and just played around with them till it worked. And it works!

Which when you hear it on the SOT mixing session, you can hear it was supposed to be throughout the whole song. I've long wondered about that mix session. Was it for a long-lost finished Vega-Tables. There are some who maintain that instrument was overdubbed for the Smiley version, but I've never believed that. I think these were tapes that were butchered for the Smiley sessions, and have now gone. All that is left is that mix tape, (which last I heard Alan Boyd was still looking for in the vaults, having heard it on SOT), and what is on the Smiley mix.

I too would have loved to have heard that instrument on this version

I absolutely love it, what instrument is it exactly, do you know IRH?

I wonder if P McCartney is on either of these two tracks..

Hint Hint....

Celeste.

Notice that in the Sessions disc, there are sessions for "Chorus 1" and "2nd Chorus".

Oh, this sounds not good, like they're cross-fading Friday Night and Vega-Tables on the actual Disc 1... But I may be wrong. Let's wait and see.

Is it my imagination, or because I'm hung over, that Vege-Tables slightly over-compressed, and the percussion rather intrusive at the beginning? Mr Linnet does have a history of being a bit heavy on the treble dial, but maybe this is just me being over-sensitive.

It's a comparatively low quality MP3, which might account.

Wow! This is a brilliant piece of work - that rocking mama says as the chorus whupped me six ways from Sunday (and it's only Saturday!).

The tune has always been a bit of a bete noir with me on Smile - it gets the subtle humour, but it's awkward. previous officially released versions of this have always been so...bland. Boiled broccoli. This one is a raw organic cornucopia!

The fan stereo mix by George Dusault, which used the rocking 'mama says' as a tag first and that amazing vocal middle 8 (then newly released on the stereo SS SOT sessions...or something), combined with the SOT tracks first revealed the possibilities of the track to me. This official one I think really nails its rich heritage, its possibilities. It successfully combines the surprising power of the track with its breezy-ness, kinda like windchimes.

That said, a few of the edits are a bit distracting (as a previous poster said - hard edits=vintage smile), and I'd love to see some thoughts on how this was extrapolated from session material & test edits. But this was always going to be an exercise in interpretation at various levels and they really did something special with this one.

I'd like a physical manifestation of these as much as anyone....

Would it also be wise to posit that this is the version of Vegatables that's going to be on the 45, what with the clean start caveat? Unless, like H&V, they're putting unique mixes on there as well?

so are all these People Mad for asking for an obtainable copy?

If some kind soul could send me an Mp3 of these two beauties it would be Pretty Magnificent!
 

I am now very excited that there will be no crossfades between songs. I really hope that is the case as I don't think it would have been done in '67.

Which track on SOT is this Vega-Tables mixing session?

At the end of disk 2.

I think you actually mean track 20 (the instrumental insert takes 1-8) on disc 2 of SOT 17. THAT one, near the end, has the celeste overdub.

Damn you for making me actually have to get off the sofa and go and check

But your'e right, track 20.

But I did say at the end of the disk, which of course means near the end, near the middle.

At one point in the Do a lot sessions, Brian tells Al to stoop down. Where were they, in a dolls house?

That [clean start] is puzzling and does seem fishy. What else could that mean besides there being another version on the set that doesn't have a clean start? It would seem, based on this tag, that this is the 45 version.

Can someone Please Make my day with this?

Forgive my ignorance, but I've never put this together before. Is this new tag at the end of this version essentially the same riff (not the same vocal, but essentially the same vamp) as the piano/vox break of Smiley's Wonderful?

Yes, which is the same as the H&V variations, They are all Bicycle Rider in a major key.

I am thinking I should have ordered the box set now.... maybe a Christmas present!

Loving the new version of Vegatables, could someone please pm me the other track (session) please?!?

Don't hurt yourself getting up off of the sofa!

As if you care

How did dinner turn out last night? ;)

This version of "Vege-Tables" sounds more like the February "H & V". Very crazy. I'm thinking an April Smile would've exploded our minds. That's why Brian canned it after that. He didn't want explode our minds.

Well, gee, Brian, you really shouldn't have  ;D

Linett went above and beyond the call of duty with Vega-tables

Hype at an all time high

I wonder if the "I got a big bag of vegatables" link track will be at the end of the song that comes before "vegetables"?

Given that said track is "I Wanna Be Around/Workshop", I seriously doubt it.

Would someone please PM me? I would love to stick Vega tables on my mp3 player for an intense listening session...please someone?  :)

PM me please, too! Thanks in advance!

I think maybe in the coming weeks anything else that might be added to this Facebook page will be from the bonus material rather than the "album" proper because with five songs already being out, one more and that's a third of the album, and it seems they wouldn't want to do that. If they don't post some or all of the ones that are already out: GV, H&V, Wonderful, CE (though i'm sure they will), the only other song i can see them posting is Wind Chimes because it's a complete song, one of the last of the "big ones" that are usually cited. And I can't see them "giving away" Surf's Up, the last of them. And while i think it would be GREAT to promote the album with the least Beach Boys sounding stuff like Worms, YAMS, Fire, or Holidays, i just can't see them doing that. That would be too "weird" and not commercial. Which is silly because they could really blow minds and sway people and really open up interest if they're promoting THE BEACH BOYS, this album you've never heard by them, and listen to THIS weird ass sh*t. But life is too normal for that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emsvZ_Wx_jw
I'm not sure what to think of this video,,I'm assuming it's fan made but the music sounds so different i wonder where he got it from..

It's fan made, like you assume. He explains how he made it in the video's description.

I'm giving into temptation after telling myself i wouldn't. It's rough being a SMiLE JUNKiE. Can someone please PM me this version of Vega-tables?  Thanks in advance.

Every track so far has given us a lovely little surprise

I'm soo excited!  ;D

Imagine Surf's Up!, I mean, we've already heard MOST of these tracks! THAT'S GONNA BE INCREDIBLE!

And Wind Chimes, Barnyard, Look, to name a few..

The best is yet to come  ;D

I really like how laid back and casual Al sounds during the scatting part. He's just breezing by it, like he's on a stroll through the park. That's the part where he sounds the most like him/the least like Brian.

Blown away with this mix. The abrupt "bop bop bop bop" part gave me a jolt. I wasn't expecting it to appear so suddenly. There is no breathing room in this version and i like it that way. This is 'mad genius' Brian Wilson at his best.

Hey, letsmakeit31 is a pretty cool guy once you get to know him! Don't hate  him to much.  ;D

Just heard Vega-tables on the radio

Awesome!

Offer expired 12:00 AM PST 9/25/11.

I think that was a little to subtle, Mikie.  ;D  :p

This is wasted space.

So, regardless of whether or not there is any truth in the Leila joke “review,” during the interim i noticed something that confirms that the ending of Workshop and the beginning of Vegetables are going to be crossfaded. Notice that the Facebook mp3 is 3:43, while the official tracklist lists Vegetables as 3:49, six seconds longer, the exact length of the piano/workshop noises intro on BWPS before the vocals come in, or more specifically, the exact length of two extra bars. If you listen to the mp3, very careful listening right at the very beginning will reveal that the piano is already playing when the track starts, it’s less than half a second, very quick, but you can hear that it has already started. Also, notice that IWBA/Workshop is now listed as 1:23, which is shorter than what it’s always been on boots (presumably because part of the track is now running into the next track). Aside from all this, the Vegetables mp3, as has already been pointed out, is tagged with [clean start]. I don’t think everything will crossfade a la BWPS, but these two tracks definitely will. Hey, man, didn’t you know? It’s a ROCK OPERA. A THREE MOVEMENT ROCK OPERA. BRIAN SAYS SO.

I think this is fine, so long as there is a way to get a high quality digital file of the Vega-Tables 45 single for those who don’t have a record player. Everything else that has been altered on disc 1 (fly-ins, crossfades, etc.) it would seem, from a glance at the tracklist, is being represented on the rest of the discs in a more "pure" form.

I don't think so...


Betcha they don't...

Think about it - having produced the crossfades, why then go to the hassle of making a version for FB without any such process. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

But then why call it clean start if there isn't a non clean start?

I will respond the way you're so fond of responding to others--you obviously don't know anything about music editing. A crossfade, which by the way takes 2 seconds to do, is done with two already-mixed elements (or in this case, songs), so the clean start of Vega-Tables is already made even if it's not going to have a clean start; it exists before a crossfade is even attempted. But i shouldn't have used the term "crossfade" because that's not accurate. It's just overlaying the workshop overdubs over the Vega-Tables piano--that is not a true crossfade. Regardless of what you call it though, you'd still have a completed clean start Vega-Tables mix in order to do that. Also, while i obviously don't have any solid proof that the Vega-Tables 45 will have a clean start, it would be an absolutely egregious decision to start the 45 single with the workshop overdubs. In which case, to use your logic, they would've had to have a clean start edit of the track anyway for the 45 pressing.

Anyway, how else would the [clean start] mp3 tag and the difference in running time between what's on FB and what's on the official tracklist timings be explained?

I feel that a big, elaborate put-on was schemed by the people who have already heard copies.   

I have absolutely no idea what you're referring to.  ;D

What happens when you reach 10,000 posts?

Do you get a telegram from a certain grey-haired old lady?

If by that you mean Angela Lansbury, well-known connoisseur of Smile boots, then yes.

You're assuming, with no proof whatsoever, that the 45 "V-T" is the same as the one on CD1. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. You can't tell from the information we have.

As for "Woodshop" crossfading into ""V-T" - I very seriously doubt it, on the grounds I've mentioned and for a few other reasons. You've used the terms "confirms" and "definitely" based on nothing more than a study of track times and a couple of bright ideas. I think that's a most unwise thing to do, because I think you're wrong. If I were going to make such an unequivocal statement, I'd want to have heard the tracks in question and, with all due respect, I don't think you have (not being nasty, just expressing my opinion). Smile is an insanely complex subject, and what you're doing is introducing more unsubstantiated theories, which is the last thing we need - God knows, when the box is released the waters will muddy even further.

Seriously?? :o

You're right--i should not have used such strong terms that denote certainty. It was merely a theory; i figured that that was implicit from the fact that i DON'T know and haven't heard the set. Bad choice of words. Though to be fair, i've recently seen you do the same sort of thing on the Hoffman board (where, oddly, you seem to have a slightly less acerbic disposition than you do here). Anyway, i would be curious to hear people's thoughts on what could possibly explain the observations that i made in my first post. It really, really seems to point to what i was suggesting, but of course i don't know.

Leila states the opposite. Her review could be untrue or not accurate, though.

You must have missed those - I'm always giving Mylene a hard time (mainly because she doesn't know what she's talking about most of the time) and in the last few days I (rightly) informed Fatheroftheman he was a moron for stating that revealing the content of a PM was fine and that, anyway, he'd not connected me with it (odd, then that he used the three letters A, G & D - in that order - to identify the origin of said PM). If I'm acerbic, it's because I want to see things done right, without spurious & bogus deduction from inadequate data.

Where is this Leila thing?

Her 'review' is fascinating - it's broadly correct, but manages to omit things that she really should mention. I'm halfway to convincing myself that she's actually heard nothing whatsoever but has been given a few pages of notes from someone who has. The tagging of the 'friends' B & S is somewhat suspicious.  ;D

And now I went through the 'review' and found no mention of the crossfade. I must have been dreaming. But I do remember someone who claims to have heard the set and say that the crossfade is there... well, I probably *am* imagining it. There is really no reason for them to crossfade those two tracks.

Here's one reason why I'm very dubious - the review stream has each track isolated.

IF THAT WAS AN OPEN REVIEW STREAM... I WILL EXPLODE.

No, just Mikie pulling your chain.  ;D

Oh, thanks, I was afraid I missed that one!

The..... REVIEW STREAM IS OPEN?!?!?!

Expect a leak in 48 hours tops.

Nope - secure and restricted server, I've been told.

It's been open for ages!

The last place to talk about "secure" is here :p

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSPBkO29C5N1-Aldd_-yq403XDWReq5ZnNy4YNtoOC-nPLmeNLY)

Someone tries to hack the review stream, BRI will hire SAMCRO to take out anyone who did so!  :lol

Considering the numerous Firefox add-ons for downloading streams, easily accessible stream recording software, or that you can simply do it the old-fashioned way and redirect your computer's audio via RCA cables, there's no such thing as a secure stream.

I would also Love to hear if Paul McCartney is on both these two as well - in fact I'd be over the moon!!!!!!

Exactly. That's how I got Su......

Never Mind :P

Everyone seems a little nicer on the Hoffman board because the mods delete all the bad posts.

I'm confused - are the smile sessions streaming/about to stream somehwere? This is secure, for reviewers only presumably, so chances of a leak are unlikely, right?!

Yes, they are streaming for reviewers.

Considering the numerous Firefox add-ons for downloading streams, easily accessible stream recording software, or that you can simply do it the old-fashioned way and redirect your computer's audio via RCA cables, there's no such thing as a secure stream.

Well, you must be right considering the fact it's leaked!











 ::)

Man, you must be puttin' me on!

I'm kidding! Just pointing out the nonsense inherent in his posting the 'insecure stream' statement twice. Easy, chief.  ;D

:ahh

:ahh

Well, honestly, I never said it didn't leak :P

"Surf's Up, Aboard a Tidal Wave (key change) ;)

Edit:
Forget it :p

Of course... but first you have to know where the stream is and how to access it.

but if you're willing to hack that why not just hack someone with the stream's history and find it? :P

Hey, is that why the board was hacked? *puts on tin foil hat*  :3d

Probably not, I could probably get it somehow, but I'd rather have something to look forward to, like pretty much every other patient fan who's already waited all these years.

Well, too late, but only for a few songs (most already leaked :P)

You all are whining about not being able to have it till Nov? I have to wait till January! I have a feeling it will be a Christmas gift from someone in my family  :lol

I could never wait till November..

Good thing I'm getting it on October 31st

Hey, my local CD shop said that if they get it early, (eg, the thursday/friday/saturday before) They'll give it to me (not literally, but you get the idea :D). MUST... NOT... LEAK...

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:lol

I want to drink from the stream.

Spoiler alert! I got an advance on the box set and when "Teeter-Totter Love" came on the car stereo my 9-year-old said, 'What the hell is this?' Does that make him a sh*tweasel or a f**khead? Or, mayhaps, a budding music critic? Either way, Jasper Dailey didn't rock, after all. I'm sure he was a great photog, tho.

Incredible  :lol

 ;D

Peter, if you're able to comment:

What's your verdict on disc 1? Rumours of flown in vocals over Great Shape/Barnyard etc. are causing contention on the fan boards. As a long time Smile fan, do these tracks work for you?

What are the high points of the set?

Also, are you able to comment on the structure of the part 2 Heroes mix, please?

Thanks for any insights you can offer!

Peter, if you're afraid of legal/social/moral recrimination, please ask your kid and post their reviews instead.  ;D

When you're given an advance copy, you have to sign something promising to come on this board and make cryptic, teasing remarks, then log off again

Come on, we want a 60,000 word review of  every second of music!

I honestly think it might have something to do with the fact that the press contract reads,

"After you click the link to the encrypted stream, if you mention any pertinent details on public record Capitol Records reserve the right to send you to the moon to never hear the boxset again, and to also tell the worlds press you perpetrated several terrorist attacks/child kidnappings/orphanage frauds/recent broadway musicals/dubstep so no-one ever misses your lunar-bound ass.

Sign here ..................................."

QUOTE FROM THE HOFFMAN FORUMS:
This intrigues me.... what could be there?

Very intriguing indeed.  Assuming it's something that only exists in vocals-only form, perhaps it's another "wall of Brian" snippet a la "Don't Talk"?

I haven't really had time to focus on it that intently, to come up with precise thoughts and critiques and etc. And while I'm not sure if my copy came with warnings (I bet it did; i bet I just didn't look at them) I bet I'd err on the side of not spoiling stuff. Tho that said, I'm not sure how you can spoil a song or an album or whatever. I'm just listening in bits and fits and starts, and to be honest the main thing I'm thinking is that it sounds a lot sunnier and less mysterious than my younger, pre-BWPS selves would have imagined. Apart from a few curious exchanges/instructions/demands, Brian sounds like a very focused, very controlled producer who knows exactly what he wants and how he wants to get there. The musicians aren't thrown by anything. And on the vocal sessions, the BBs sound completely compliant and eager to do their thing (tho we all know what went on when the mics were off).

Yes, exactly.

Edit: I mean based on what was already available, I've not heard any of TSS except what we all have heard.

*raises hand* I don't mind any blatant spoilers, as long as they're marked as such in a thread such as this.