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So, why was this song not on the 2000 Twofer??

Wasn't it on the original CD issue of BBs 85

Seems silly to me.

Just wondering....

Are you sure about that? Male Ego is on my 2000 KTSA/BB85 Twofer.

???? is it a "hidden track"?

Hint: I've never made it to the end of BBs 85  :P

It's there.

On the original pressing, it was a bonus track on the CD. It wasn't on the vinyl or cassette.

Male Ego is my favorite song on that album! Maybe second behind Where I Belong.

Well, maybe you should before asking the question. Why even ask if you have never even skipped over to it? It is on both CD releases of BB85.

Because I'm either:

A) a complete idiot

B)  it's simply not listed on the back of the twofer CD!

or:

C)  both options are correct.

I hope you made it to the part in the album where Carl performs: Where I Belong, that's a highlight.

That is mildly interesting. It is listed on my Twofer. But if your copy doesn't have it listed.... scan please !  :)


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My twofer does NOT have it listed. I've seen the twofer in stores a few times and I don't remember ever seeing a version with it listed. It's on my copy, after It's Just A Matter of Time. It's properly indexed as a seperate track, but there is no mention of it on the back of the cd. The lyrics are printed in the book though.   ;D

Maybe the U.S. release didn't have it listed, where the European one did.

Oh, I've hear the whole album :)

I've certainly played my vinyl copy front to back endless times, and Carl sounds just gorgeous on Where I Belong!

The problem I run into on the KTSA/BBS 85 twofer is that I get to Getcha Back and then have to skip straight back to Goin On and then listen to my favorite two Beach Boys tracks back to back endlessly  :p

And I just checked: Male Ego is not listen on the back of my CD

Seems Male Ego escaped through the crack on my copy  :o

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This is weird, from what's been said here some versions (possibly US?) don't have it listed on the back but do have the lyrics in the insert, whereas my twofer has it listed on the back but doesn't include the lyrics in the liners.

I must find a bearded man so that I may stroke his chin in bemusement.

If you are a female I will let you stroke mine.

Dang, foiled again by my gender :-\

Did the notion of actually putting the CD into the player and, at the very least, comparing the number of tracks on the back of the case with the readout or even - radical concept i grant - listening to it, not occur to you ?

Well, just in case it didn't, I am greatly humbled by your empathy and wisdom!

Hey, a thought occurred to me while at work, and I KNOW the song isn't listed on the back of my CD, so I mistakenly assumed it was not included in the KTSA/BBs 85 package, and I simply asked!

If my main goal in life was being right all the time about everything without fail, I probably wouldn't even be a Beach Boys fan.

Maybe someone's pissed because you posted your own thread and didn't ask in the "Questions Thread".  ;) :police: ;D

Nope, just astonished that someone who (presumably) knew the track was on the original CD could be so unadventurous as to accept the back of the original 2fer without questioning it or, evidently, without bothering to read the booklet which mentions said track as one of Brian's contributions. Beach Boys fans can be most strange people, and I speak from personal experience (being both).

My recollection is that the song was not listed on the back cover of US copies when it came out in 2000, and the at least apparent reason was simply that whoever put together the back cover artwork was working off of a vinyl copy of the album to enter the track information, rather than actually listening to the CD, and of course vinyl copies of the album did not include the track (as is evidenced by the vinyl album artwork they used for this CD reissue).

I was at work and didn't have the CD or booklet handy and was stupid enough to ask in a public forum where there are those (very few, thank God) who will happily pounce on such an opportunity to point out the inferiority of others. I made myself easy prey and couldn't care less. I'm merely a human.

But, AGD, if I ever need help getting a CD out of its case and into the player, you are obviously the go-to guy.

Simple question (as I'm a simple man) - how long have you had this CD ?

Why don't you offer to shine AGD's shoes?? I'm sure his apples need polishing as well. Sheesh. ::) :o

I've had it since 2000 and have never made it all the way through it  in one listen, due to my earlier described problem of not being able to stop myself from listening to Goin On and Getcha Back in an endless loop. If I want to give BBs 85 a spin, I'll just play my vinyl disc.

The CD actually got soaked in spilled coffee about a year back, so I can't even open the booklet, if that helps  :p

There's this thing called "the internet"...

OK, I get it!

You're like a guy looking at the scene of a plane crash and asking a survivor "Well, why the hell did you ever get on the plane"?

Unless you have severe autism, how many times can I admit that I made a simple mistake/assumption knowing very well I could be wrong?

I think you pounced on yourself with that A, B, C post, we just followed suite. ;)

All I know is this whole thing got me listening to BBs 85 again, so I'm happy!

And Male Ego is a great song  :)

That last line is in exceedingly poor taste.

Poor taste or not, I just can't believe there's a two-page thread on "Male Ego"....

It's not much more than chopsticks, but yes, after Carl's stuff, it is by far the best song of all the rest.

perhaps

Agreed, but they guys just SOUND so good on the track.

Same thing with It's Just A Matter Of Time.

Singing-wise, BB85 is terrific. The biggest problems are some song choices and production. Production sounds like The Beach Boys meet Culture Club.

Yes, but when you think about it, the production certainly could have been worse!!! I guess that's not saying much, but, to my ears, Heartbeat City by The Cars sounds like really bad, shrill/artificial production by a band that usually sounded REALLY good as a band. Of course, the songs on that album are great, so it works, but I can listen to BBs 85 with much more ease.

'Male Ego' has always been one of my favorite late career Mike/ Brian shared leads. If some kind of reunion CD happens, for better or worse, expect something else sung the same way.

While Al still has the best lead vocal and would surely sing a few, another style could be a general group lead. ie 'Goin On'

I love the Goin On group lead. I can't imagine the song working quite as well with just a single lead.

I remember seeing them do a killer version on the show Fridays. I wish I'd taped it or something.... Hmmm, but now that I've been turned onto this thing called the intranet, or, internets, maybe I can look it up?

http://youtu.be/obzB_8P1fcs

You guys are funny.

I spilled coffee on my copy of THE BEACH BOYS IN CONCERT a few years ago.  :(

Damn, Carl looks great in this clip!

I'm probably setting myself up, but the same exact thing happened to me as well. The song Male Ego was not listed on the back of my disc, so I assumed it wasn't there. The lyrics were in the booklet of my disc, however. I just always assumed that my copy was some kind of misprint. I didn't realise that the song was even there until one day I happened to play the entire disc. And before somebody asks, no, I did not think to check to see how many tracks were showing on the disc when I put it in my cd player.

Well, look at it this way: there are people lurking here who would never ever make such a simple mistake and who really really need you to know how silly they think you are. I mean, they REALLY need you to know it..... You can easily live with making a silly assumption and admitting it and even poking fun at yourself, but they really need you to know that they KNOW you are a fool. And that need is much harder to live with than your simple mistake. So, look at it as a sort of public service on your part and enjoy the song..... And by all means, please ignore any possible irony related to the song in question being entitled "Male Ego"

I think it all comes down to most thinking that if you buy a Beach Boys CD and you are a fan and the album has been remastered, that you would play the thing at least once fully through. Thing is for me is that I forget that a lot of you guys are young and do things differently. When I play an album, I generally play it from start to finish. Also, I guess a Beach Boys fan just expects another Beach Boys fan to know such things. I apologize, if I hurt your feelings with my earlier posts.

No apology necessary! You asked a logical question: accepted my silly answer and made a joke  :p

All in all, I am very happy to have realized the song is indeed there on the twofer :P

All in good fun!

YOU UTTER FOOL.

 ;)

Not to beat a dead horse, or perhaps TO beat a dead horse: upon inspection, my (pried apart) KTSA/BBs 85 liner notes make no mention of Male Ego being included on the CD. Sure, the song is mentioned in the illustrious liner notes (the ONLY source of information on the albums in question, I'm sure, right??) as a Brian contribution. And it is musingly assumed that many less informed "fans" (less informed than the liner note's esteemed author, at least) naturally assumed the track was a Brian production (the morons), but it makes no mention of the song either on the CD back or the track listing in the booklet. Therefore, unless the listener let's the CD continue going as It's Just A Matter Of Time fades out and doesn't hit the eject button (a bad habit of mine, perhaps), they'd naturally have no clue that the track is included..... So, eventually SOME idiot was bound to ask!!!!

I, along with just about everyone else in the fan world, assumed that "Male Ego" was a BW production for years after its release, for no better reason than it sure sounds like one: was as surprised as the next fan when I as told it wasn't (fortunately before ComGuide 97 came out).

The opening "choppy" piano and synthesizer sure sounds like a Brian thing to do.  ;D In fact, the first 10 or so seconds of "I Feel So Fine" from the "cocaine sessions" has a pattern that sounds somewhat similar.

It indeed does sound like a Brian production. Was Brian heavily involved in an, albeir, non-producer capacity or was it Levine doing his best to make it sound like a convincing Brian production?

Wish I knew. To be honest, sounds like a demo, complete with an edit of exquisite subtlety.

Yes! Whatever the case, it's a beauty.

The line "betcha boys we'll be doin' it in our eighties" is beginning to sound eerily prescient.  :o

Let's hope so  :)

OK, I promise to not follow this with puns  :p

Man, if I'm still chasing ladies in my eighties, then I'll consider my life well lived. Wee Doggey! :)

I wonder how many more marriages Mike could work in by the time he's 80

Could you point it out? I'll have to take a listen and see if I can hear it.

Just out of curiosity, if you don't know who did the production, then how do we know that it's not a Brian production?  ;D

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:| @ mod spam.

I think some "spring cleaning" needs to be done, in regards to mods on this board.

The "Jamie" quote makes up for it imo. But only barely. I hate the devil horns smiley because I used to frequent a Danzig forum (don't ask) and it was used every other post, at least.

Sorry, for 'edit' read 'punch-in'. As for the production, the 'wish I knew' was in (admittedly ambiguous) response to Brian's participation: I've been told by several folk in the studio at the time that Levine produced it.

sorry, beer does that to you


banned.

lolololololol, i figured it was something along those lines. say, you an a6er?

I thought it was some kind of bizarre protest.

Really, there are a number of posters here who seem to be going insane over the past few weeks. I guess TSS can't come soon enough.

Seems I have that  (male ego) on a single somewhere in my collection of vinyl.  A flip side.  Anybody recall which 45 had that?  Or is it my imagination?

Also, I too was surprised to finally discover that song on the twofer.  I think I might have read it here.  For some reason I just stopped or changed the cd after the last track listed had played.  Is there a bit of a delay between the last song and Male Ego?

By the way, I'll go down as saying that the 85 lp was a better piece of work than KTSA.  I loved those CW rockers with the 80's production.  And I also liked I'M SO LONLEY.  Just Brian at his best in that coarse way that he had evolved.   

Those hidden tracks could almost make a seperate thread.  Like 'Favorite Hidden Tracks".

I like the surf sounds at the end of the Mints lp with the Coors commercial.  I also like that weird backward thing at the end of Sgt. Pepper. 

B side of "Getcha Back".

and Couldn't Get His Poor old Body to Move was on the flip of which song from Brian Wilson 88?

(I could go home and look through the collection but that would take hours)

"Love & Mercy"

You could, of course, look here - Bellagio 10452 (http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/index.html).

There was an interview in NME at the time in which the writer takes a call from Brian who is promoting the album by raving about his favourite song on it - Male Ego!

I'll bet Brian still basically Produced the damn thing.

He plays piano on the track, right? Levine probably just ran everything through the computer in order to make it all sound as generic 80s as possible.

Most of the song is piano and vocals. Did Brian arrange the vocals?

I am 33, and I am chasing ladies in their 80s.

Hopefully, not to steal their handbags. ;)

LOL.I thought this thread might of been a discussion about AGD, going by the title.
My mistake.

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :woot :woot :woot :h5 :h5

Hmmmmm, we all had better watch out!

Come to think of it: does oldsurferdude know where his old lady was last night?  :p

Sorry OSD  ;D