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What are the chances that tapes of that concert are released anytime soon? I think they should be released despite the weirdness of those shows because it is a live historical document of the last time the 5 original members performed together in their prime.

It seems the release of anything soon is pretty low...

uh oh

I'm willing to wait a few months or years in "Al Jardine" time. I'm just curious because they found the Carnegie Hall Tapes and its sounds like they could release those as well.

Yes it is also  historical and unique in that a lot of the harmonies on the show were sung softer,almost whispered in some songs on the set-eg Their Hearts Were Full of Spring and God Only Knows.I guess Brian was aiming for a different feel at the time. I would't however be holding my breath for an official release any time in the near future.

Sorry, I only speak English.

Were you drunk when you wrote that? :lol

You'd sooner get a compendium of the 'rehearsals' than the show itself, which is fascinating but extremely sloppy. Brian heckling the audience, Gettin' Hungry, Dennis on another plane, etc....

I got the rehearsals already, i was just interested in the real concert itself because i thought the rehearsals were great to listen to. :)

Those aren't rehearsals. 9/11/67 session at Wally Heider to try to fake the live shows for release... after which they said "f*** it" and did Wild Honey instead. Good call.

Wasn't the reason Brian was "heckling" the audience due to some audience members being obnoxious -- heckling or just distracting (by talking or something) the band, I think? -- during Carl's singing?

During God Only Knows, some girls are screaming whenever Carl opens his mouth. Brian shouts 'He's singing, cool it!' Nice showmanship, Bri.

I know they're not rehearsals, hence inverted commas.

I know you know, but others may not.  ;D

Brian was probably mad the girls were yelling just like it was 1964 all over again even though the music had changed.

No we're not all quite in your tree are we Andy? ???

They're still doing the rounds on the 'net as Hawaii rehearsals, new fans will assume that's what they are. If my regard for accuracy somehow offends you, NMP.

That's what they were titled when i got them, so AGD's info was much appreciated. :)

You're really a smart f*** on this board, aren't you McQuire?

Sorry if i offended u Mick but I like to call a spade a spade!

If ur are going to post an insult towards me, please at LEAST spell my name correctly bozo!

Take it to PMs, all three of you.

Didn't mean to start drama over a unreleased live album I have a strange interest in. I just think songs done in the Smiley Smile style live would be fun to listen to.

Sounds to me like it's actually AL yelling at the audience! IINM, someone -- perhaps the same person who yells at the crowd -- giggles immediately after.

BTW, AGD - I know how you feel. Some years ago someone asked about the Wondermints songs "Good Think [sic] On The Run" and "Astro-Matter." I responded saying that the actual titles are "On The Run" and "Dois Mil E Um" and that the bootlegger got the titles wrong. The guy claiming to be the original bootlegger chimed in and tore me a new one for being so "hurtful."

I must be completely deaf - can someone tell me at what point (--:--) the heckling starts, please?

Don't worry about it. I was not referring to you.

As far as the Lei'd In Hawaii tapes are concerned, both gigs circulate, as well as about 40 minutes of the so-called "rehearsals" (aka the faked live recordings). The tapes for the gigs, the actual Hawaii rehearsals, and the studio recordings do exist in the band's inventory, as some excerpts from all three entities have been released on past collections. I don't see the gigs ever being released in full due to a combination of technical problems (sound problems on both dates, and the show from the 26th is incomplete due to the tapes running out) and generally poor performances.

First show, repeat of the second verse. When Carl sings "If you should ever leave me," someone in the crowd yells "CARL!!!" Immediately afterwards someone -- either Brian or Al yells "He's SINGING! Cool it!" That happens between the first and second syllables of the word "ever." And immediately after that outburst one of the Beach Boys -- quite possibly the same one who yelled that -- laughed. Then during the following line at LEAST one Beach Boy cracks up.

Thanks. I must not have the GOK from the first show.

... and if you're going to post in this forum, please use English and not txt spk.  We have standards.

Yes we do. And, with all due respect, if he wants to express himself that way, that is his decision and not yours.

OK - he wants to be perceived as a semi-literate troll, I'm cool with that.

The posting habits will reflect the character of the person in possession of them, in ALL cases.

Oooooooooooo... mortal wound. :thud

Is H&V available without Mike ranting?

No.

I told McGuire through a PM that if he continues to make snide comments towards me (or my friends) again on the board, as he's done in the past, that I won't tolerate it and will respond accordingly. *  I ignored it the first couple of times, but not anymore. He comes outta nowhere and decides to make smart-ass remarks towards posters here and it's a classic case of trolling.

* And to play the game here, I'll also notify the mods when it happens so I won't break any rules.  :)

Not meaning this in a sarcastic way, but care to share some of these snide remarks? All I've seen this guy do is post some of his awesome BB covers.

Oh, and why has AGD been calling everyone that questions him a troll? Just sayin', we all need a little devil's advocate every now and then.

Back to the topic at hand though, I remember I was so psyched about hearing young Brian singing Wouldn't It Be Nice live, then I heard it, and who do they give the lead to? Why, none other than Mr. Algonquin Q. Jardine of course  :(

No idea who this guy is nor heard of his BB covers... all I know is, he made a snide crack at me out of the blue (or should that be Bloo ?) for posting accurate info then had a spat with Mikie. And OK, I have a problem with anyone over age 13 who uses txt spk as a matter of course. As for the troll bit, he/she/it/they seem more interested in stirring than anything else. No problem with anyone disputing anything I post as logn as they present an alternative rather than take a pop for the sake of it. That's why I come here - knowledgeable posters and intelligent discourse. Well, most of the time.

You should check his covers out. I know what you mean though, and those smileys, ugh...it's like...grow up. Just kidding, let's get back to some meaningful conversation.

Here's one of them towards me a month ago:

"If you would like to enclose your address, I'd be happy to send you a hearing aid! Please don't make me embarrass you any further!!"

Does this kid make comments like this because only a handful of people comment on his covers so he's mad because he doesn't get enough attention and goes off on people here?  Or he just hasn't grown up yet?

It's OK, what goes around comes around, right?     Yeah.

Listened to the covers - very good, excellent harmonies & bvs but, if he can take a genuine constructive critical comment, waaayyy too much echo.

Thanks, I was just asking because i could get a copy of the concert tapes pretty soon if I wanted to.

Way too good. Classic, in fact. And that's a FACT.

The two awesome weapons of AGD, truth and accuracy of infomation.

God, no. Read again the two quotes carefully.

I always hated the ranting on H&V Lei'd In Hawaii,the only released version I have heard that sounds like that session is on the Live in London album. I love the track slowed down,it has kind of a eerie feel to it.

I understand your meaning, but still, "God, no"? This place would run amuck on fiction were it not for Andrew, Jon, Peter and Ed. All these guys help keep the facts straight.

There is also the part at the end where Brian sings something dirty. ;D

I think that Mr. monicker seems to imply that Andrew makes such blanket statements at the entire membership barring himself. If that is true...

Agreed. And this probably isn't said enough, but much thanks to all of them, as well as Ian and the many others who've spent so much time digging for the real stories behind the band. This is why I come here. Without these guys we'd still be looking for copies of Remember the Zoo and discussing that fabulous mid-west tour in '62!*

* Both of which do not exist, of course.

Come on, dudes. It's a forum. Lighten the hell up and stop being shits to each other. I am obviously interested in rational discourse and chatting facts (when i remember them correctly), but i also come here because I enjoy chatting with people who share my passion for Mike Love's shiny bald head. Let's keep it cool.

I think that's why Mike wears hats

Yeah folks, let's be cool, calm down, and take a few steps away from the internet. Let's all go out and give some lucky f*cker a piping hot clam chowder enema!

Politician or musician?

Politicians really like getting stuff for doing nothing... So musician.

:D

Yes!!! Nobody likes an ice cold clam chowder enema (at least not that I know of)......

As far as the plea for rational and intelligent discourse is concerned: might I remind us all who we're here to discuss???

Perhaps we've only learned from the masters  :p

And AGD, would you consider referring to Mike as "Myke" an example of text-speak or troll-speak?

I would. At the very least, Mad Magazine-speak.

I hate to go off topic( ::)  ;D), but I have a question. The Real Beach Boy mentioned that one of the Hawaii recordings that circulates is incomplete because of a tape change. Is it known what song(s) were not recorded?

Well, assuming they didn't perform anything after Barbara Ann, the tape of the 8/26 show ends about 35 seconds into Barbara Ann. As it was a mobile recording unit which the band brought with them, I doubt the Boys had access to two tape decks to record off of. The mobile recording unit, the Baldwin organ, the band's gear, PLUS the long flight...let's just say it's amazing that the gigs were ever recorded. I would have told Brian to either nix the organ or bring something more portable like Bruce was doing in 1966 into May of 1967. By all accounts the mobile recording unit was a pig to travel with.

If Steve Desper is still around, I wonder if he has any thoughts about that mobile rig they took with them. We know it was built by Wally Heider, of course.

As a non-native English speaker, may I politely ask what the abbreviation "NMP" stands for?

The sound quality isn't the greatest for those shows (especially the first night), but I've always figured they were left unreleased because of the slightly drugged-out nature of the performances and the annoying crowd noises that plague both shows.  The first live album has girls screaming at the top of their lungs, but it's basically just cacophonous background noise that can be tuned out and doesn't diminish the overall performances.  The stuff like the girl shouting Carl's name throughout God Only Knows basically made that recording unfit for commercial release, and similar stuff is present on the other songs to varying degrees.

I do think they could have released the Heider sessions as a sort of Beach Boys version of "Let It Be".

I've always wondered what the "technical issues" were with the recordings. Is that phrase used as a way to excuse the audience noise, or were there really technical flaws in the recording, like bad microphones, poor amp connection causing "buzzing", etc?

Not my problem?

I'd consider that as the poster being a complete f*ckwit.

For the Hawaii gigs, they hired 3M 8-tracks from Wally Heider - there's an interesting article on the WH site about the whole thing written by one of the engineers. As for the Baldwin... Brian insisted it made the trip.

And I apologise profusely for the entirely factual content of the preceding sentence: to those who find such things distasteful, may I suggest you don't read anything with my name on it.

Seems to me that the 25/08/67 pre-concert rehearsals would be worthy of a larger audience if Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring, Good Vibrations and Surfer Girl are anything to go by.

One could gather that your 8200 posts here would constitute somewhat of an extreme excess in sitting a good part of your day-hence the expanded girth I suppose. :wave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpFITa9eYoQ&feature=related

 ;D

Is AGD in there somewhere?

Take it to PMs, please.

And speaking of poo stirrers.  No names here, but Bgas is uh........he likes to uh.......well, you know.  :P

I'll take it to PM.  ;D

It has to be pointed out that the mobile equipment shipped to Hawaii to record those shows was apparently the finest and most technically advanced mobile recording equipment and setup you could find for hire in 1967. The engineers were highly skilled and experienced, the gear from Wally Heider was top of the line as he all but cornered the mobile recording rental/for-hire business in the 60's since he was so damned good at what he did. And if you see photos or still shots of the control room, they even had a TV monitor set up to watch the action on the stage - whereas many mobile operations consisted of the engineers sitting in a plain truck outside the venue.

So I never bought into the "technical difficulties" line, I always thought it was used to cover the poor quality of the performances and the songs - which just wouldn't cut it for a wide, full-concert live release. Which is why they tried to re-record them anyway. If there *were* technical issues, does anyone hear them on the tapes? Or do we hear something the band was hoping exceeded their notions of what they had just played over the course of 2 shows and fell short when they heard the playbacks?

Again, that's not knowing the full story - maybe there was a bad mic somewhere or a tape issue but with Heider's crew and top-of-the-line gear on hand, how would they muck up not only one but TWO live show recordings due to tech issues?

Answer is, they (Heider's crew) probably didn't.

Could somebody please PM me where I might find the best/most complete version of Lei'd? That has both the live and studio stuff together? I've only ever heard the latter...thanks in advance...

Not trying to be any trouble to anyone, but could someone PM me as well? I only have the studio stuff (with some live material, but not complete). Thanks if possible :-\

no one I think is in my tree............................

Love that show, wish I could have been there. My favorite part was when they did the bridge to "wouldn't it be nice". Everyone should listen to this show, hearing all five members doing that live in 1967 is historic.

What does a good tracklist for this show look like? Something like this?:

Rehearsal August 25th, 1967 &
1. God Only Knows 2:48
2. California Girls 2:29
3. Surfer Girl 2:49
4. You're So Good To Me 2:36
5. The Letter 1:57
6. Help Me, Rhonda 2:33
7. Heroes and Villians 3:00
8. Their Hearts Were Full of Spring 2:31

Studio Outtakes
09. Sherry She Needs Me (Backing track recorded 1965, vocals added 1976) 2:43
10. We're Together Again (alt. mix) (Recorded 9/11/68) 2:10
11. We're Together Again (backing track) (Recorded 9/11/68) 2:30
12. We're Together Again (instrumental) (Recorded 9/11/68) 2:10
13. We're Together Again (alt. mix #2) (Recorded 9/11/68) 1:58

Hollywood Bowl Nov 1st, 1963
14. Intro 1:09
15. Little Deuce Coupe 2:24
16. In My Room 2:24
17. Be True To Your School 2:13
18. Surfer Girl2:56
19. KFWB Theme 0:27
20. Closing Credits1:17

Sydney February 13th, 1978
21. God Only Knows 3:17
22. Good Vibrations 7:01.

The setlist for both Hawaii 1967 shows is up on Eric's archive (and has been for at least ten years): what you've posted has nothing to do with those gigs.

25th August:

1. The Letter (Brian)
2. Hawaii
3. You're So Good To Me
4. Surfer Girl
5. Surfin'
6. Gettin Hungry
7. Sloop John B
8. California Girls
9. Wouldn't It Be Nice
10. Heroes And Villains
11. God Only Knows
12. Good Vibrations
13. Barbara Ann

26th August:

1. Hawthorne Boulevard (instrumental)
2. Hawaii
3. You're So Good To Me
4. Help Me Rhonda
5. California Girls
6. Wouldn't It Be Nice
7. Gettin Hungry
8. Surfer Girl
9. Surfin'
10. Sloop John B
11. The Letter
12. God Only Knows
13. Good Vibrations
14. Heroes And Villains
15. Barbara Ann

Damn you, Google!!!

I'm just completely out of the loop, thanks for the help.  ;D

haha i have a cd with that tracklist.

8/25 set

The Letter
Hawaii
You're So Good To Me
Surfer Girl
Surfin'
Gettin' Hungry
Sloop John B
California Girls
Wouldn't It Be Nice
Heroes and Villains
God Only Knows
Good Vibrations
Barbara Ann

8/26 set

Hawthorne Boulevard
Hawaii
You're So Good To Me
Help Me Rhonda
California Girls
Wouldn't It Be Nice
Gettin' Hungry
Surfer Girl
Surfin'
Sloop John B
The Letter
God Only Knows
Good Vibrations
Heroes and Villains
Barbara Ann

Tracks known to have been worked on for the faked live album -

You're So Good To Me
Help Me Rhonda (sung as Help You Rhonda)
Surfer Girl
California Girls
Surfin'
Sloop John B
Good Vibrations
God Only Knows
The Letter
Heroes and Villains
Game of Love

The AFM for the 9/11/67 Heider session only lists these titles

Sloop John B
Help Me, Rhonda
Good Vibrations
California Girls
Surfer Girl
God Only Knows
The Letter

... and of course the "H&V" 'bomb' skit probably dates from this time as well.

"Game Of Love" is a Wild Honey outtake, recorded 10/25/67 at Brian's home studio, along with "The Letter".

Could somebody please PM me as well because my interest in listening and getting these gigs started this thread for better or worse.

Add me to the list because I can't find it on Google.  :hat

From http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/unreleased.html, the entry on Wild Honey -  


I know you have it listed in the sessions area as being a Wild Honey session, but what of the supposed Heider version quoted above? Of course, you also mention a session on 10/27/67 at Wally Heider for Game of Love, too. Is that the version referenced in the quote?

I've been looking for the 26th of August performance for ages.

I thought Don't Worry Baby was played at these performances?

I'd also really appreciate help finding these recordings

Read the liners to the 1990 'live' 2fer again.  ;D

Yup, and thanks for the nudge - that entry was written a good few years ago, and needs revising.

I find it curious that they rehearsed THWFOS, yet didn't perform it at either of the shows. Perhaps they realised that the audience might be too disruptive for that particular number.

Does anyone know if there were other songs rehearsed that weren't performed at these concerts?

A link to the essay on Wally Heider's site. Fascinating reading....
http://wallyheider.com/wordpress/2005/03/recording-the-beach-boys-in-hawaii/

After over a year of inactivity, I decided to share the complete recordings (both shows, rehearsals and Heider material) on my blog. If anybody doesn't know where to find it, shoot me a PM and I'll direct you to the right spot.

Reading through all that, and whatever other writings and histories I've heard from the likes of Dale Manquen and others, does this sound like the type of mobile setup that would record these shows with enough "technical" errors and flubs to make it unusable? No one really commented on it a few days ago, but doesn't it sound like a cover-up for lackluster and somewhat spacey performances rather than technical gremlins?

Two points, one I've asked before:

1. One of the Hawaii shows is mixed down to mono. Does this mean multitracks of that show exist in the vaults at this time? I'd guess "yes".

2. Saying the material is lackluster does not make it any less compelling, even the Heider tapes...that coda to California Girls is just stunning, a drop-dead gorgeous vocal part. I think without Brian as a presence on the tapes, the shows would be less compelling to hear.

If they had released those shows as a live album in the fall of 1967 - their star would have only fallen that much faster in the wake of Monterey.  The Heider tapes are interesting now - but a fake live album of that material would have sealed their fate as irrelevant.

Brian should have finished SMiLE and the band should have performed the magnum opus at Monterey Pop.  Ohh well.

You do know the original masterplan was to cherry-pick live tracks from Hawaii (or Heider), Michigan 1966, and whatever else was in the vaults and use those to fill out Wild Honey? How would that have gone over, if *that* had ever happened?

It's part of the mindset of the band in the latter parts of 1967, just a total throw it against the wall and see what sticks kind of deal. At least they stole an awesome single from Redwood... :lol

Just listened to both shows and i am impressed with the album. I wish it was recorded properly because with Brian being back, the group is so much better. I wish the group had found a better replacement for Brian than Bruce.

Multitracks of both shows presumably exist, although, if I remember correctly, the mono mix of the 8/25 show as bootlegged is missing Sloop John B.

That's what I thought as well, and what that leads to is asking how these Hawaii shows escaped the Sea Of Tunes releases when the other live shows done in a similar way for "official" releases were found in the vaults.

The folks at SOT didn't bootleg everything that was involved in the so-called "American Band" issue, although I'd wager a good amount of the high-quality stuff booted in recent memory was from that stockpile of copied tapes. I'd say the Hawaii shows would be part of that.

You raise an interesting point that ties in with my question about the one Hawaii show in mono, and the other in stereo: SOT was hastily mixed while being copied from the multitracks, and that also allowed for "stereo" mixes of various albums. I'm guessing the Hawaii show mixed to mono wasn't part of the same supply of tapes, though I could be way off. If anything I'd guess the Michigan '66 and Hawaii '67 would be in the same place as "official" live recordings originally slated for release, so why not have the multis of Hawaii alongside Michigan and the rest? And why include the Heider re-records and not that one Hawaii show anywhere else?

It's called having an insurance policy for future bootlegs. :)

This is in reference to a low release.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10032.0.html