Lei'd In Hawaii

[rab2591]

Could somebody please PM me where I might find the best/most complete version of Lei'd? That has both the live and studio stuff together? I've only ever heard the latter...thanks in advance...

Not trying to be any trouble to anyone, but could someone PM me as well? I only have the studio stuff (with some live material, but not complete). Thanks if possible

[donald]

I know they're not rehearsals, hence inverted commas.

I know you know, but others may not. 

No we're not all quite in your tree are we Andy?

no one I think is in my tree............................

[over and over]

Love that show, wish I could have been there. My favorite part was when they did the bridge to "wouldn't it be nice". Everyone should listen to this show, hearing all five members doing that live in 1967 is historic.

[stack-o-tracks]

What does a good tracklist for this show look like? Something like this?:

Rehearsal August 25th, 1967 &
1. God Only Knows 2:48
2. California Girls 2:29
3. Surfer Girl 2:49
4. You're So Good To Me 2:36
5. The Letter 1:57
6. Help Me, Rhonda 2:33
7. Heroes and Villians 3:00
8. Their Hearts Were Full of Spring 2:31

Studio Outtakes
09. Sherry She Needs Me (Backing track recorded 1965, vocals added 1976) 2:43
10. We're Together Again (alt. mix) (Recorded 9/11/68) 2:10
11. We're Together Again (backing track) (Recorded 9/11/68) 2:30
12. We're Together Again (instrumental) (Recorded 9/11/68) 2:10
13. We're Together Again (alt. mix #2) (Recorded 9/11/68) 1:58

Hollywood Bowl Nov 1st, 1963
14. Intro 1:09
15. Little Deuce Coupe 2:24
16. In My Room 2:24
17. Be True To Your School 2:13
18. Surfer Girl2:56
19. KFWB Theme 0:27
20. Closing Credits1:17

Sydney February 13th, 1978
21. God Only Knows 3:17
22. Good Vibrations 7:01.

[Andrew G. Doe]

The setlist for both Hawaii 1967 shows is up on Eric's archive (and has been for at least ten years): what you've posted has nothing to do with those gigs.

25th August:

1. The Letter (Brian)
2. Hawaii
3. You're So Good To Me
4. Surfer Girl
5. Surfin'
6. Gettin Hungry
7. Sloop John B
8. California Girls
9. Wouldn't It Be Nice
10. Heroes And Villains
11. God Only Knows
12. Good Vibrations
13. Barbara Ann

26th August:

1. Hawthorne Boulevard (instrumental)
2. Hawaii
3. You're So Good To Me
4. Help Me Rhonda
5. California Girls
6. Wouldn't It Be Nice
7. Gettin Hungry
8. Surfer Girl
9. Surfin'
10. Sloop John B
11. The Letter
12. God Only Knows
13. Good Vibrations
14. Heroes And Villains
15. Barbara Ann

[stack-o-tracks]

The setlist for both Hawaii 1967 shows is up on Eric's archive (and has been for at least ten years): what you've posted has nothing to do with those gigs.

Damn you, Google!!!

I'm just completely out of the loop, thanks for the help. 

[Dutchie]

What does a good tracklist for this show look like? Something like this?:

Rehearsal August 25th, 1967 &
1. God Only Knows 2:48
2. California Girls 2:29
3. Surfer Girl 2:49
4. You're So Good To Me 2:36
5. The Letter 1:57
6. Help Me, Rhonda 2:33
7. Heroes and Villians 3:00
8. Their Hearts Were Full of Spring 2:31

Studio Outtakes
09. Sherry She Needs Me (Backing track recorded 1965, vocals added 1976) 2:43
10. We're Together Again (alt. mix) (Recorded 9/11/68) 2:10
11. We're Together Again (backing track) (Recorded 9/11/68) 2:30
12. We're Together Again (instrumental) (Recorded 9/11/68) 2:10
13. We're Together Again (alt. mix #2) (Recorded 9/11/68) 1:58

Hollywood Bowl Nov 1st, 1963
14. Intro 1:09
15. Little Deuce Coupe 2:24
16. In My Room 2:24
17. Be True To Your School 2:13
18. Surfer Girl2:56
19. KFWB Theme 0:27
20. Closing Credits1:17

Sydney February 13th, 1978
21. God Only Knows 3:17
22. Good Vibrations 7:01.

haha i have a cd with that tracklist.

[Jason]

8/25 set

The Letter
Hawaii
You're So Good To Me
Surfer Girl
Surfin'
Gettin' Hungry
Sloop John B
California Girls
Wouldn't It Be Nice
Heroes and Villains
God Only Knows
Good Vibrations
Barbara Ann

8/26 set

Hawthorne Boulevard
Hawaii
You're So Good To Me
Help Me Rhonda
California Girls
Wouldn't It Be Nice
Gettin' Hungry
Surfer Girl
Surfin'
Sloop John B
The Letter
God Only Knows
Good Vibrations
Heroes and Villains
Barbara Ann

Tracks known to have been worked on for the faked live album -

You're So Good To Me
Help Me Rhonda (sung as Help You Rhonda)
Surfer Girl
California Girls
Surfin'
Sloop John B
Good Vibrations
God Only Knows
The Letter
Heroes and Villains
Game of Love

[Andrew G. Doe]

Tracks known to have been worked on for the faked live album -

You're So Good To Me
Help Me Rhonda (sung as Help You Rhonda)
Surfer Girl
California Girls
Surfin'
Sloop John B
Good Vibrations
God Only Knows
The Letter
Heroes and Villains
Game of Love

The AFM for the 9/11/67 Heider session only lists these titles

Sloop John B
Help Me, Rhonda
Good Vibrations
California Girls
Surfer Girl
God Only Knows
The Letter

... and of course the "H&V" 'bomb' skit probably dates from this time as well.

"Game Of Love" is a Wild Honey outtake, recorded 10/25/67 at Brian's home studio, along with "The Letter".

[SMiLE Brian]

Could somebody please PM me where I might find the best/most complete version of Lei'd? That has both the live and studio stuff together? I've only ever heard the latter...thanks in advance...

Not trying to be any trouble to anyone, but could someone PM me as well? I only have the studio stuff (with some live material, but not complete). Thanks if possible

Could somebody please PM me as well because my interest in listening and getting these gigs started this thread for better or worse.

[stack-o-tracks]

Could somebody please PM me where I might find the best/most complete version of Lei'd? That has both the live and studio stuff together? I've only ever heard the latter...thanks in advance...

Not trying to be any trouble to anyone, but could someone PM me as well? I only have the studio stuff (with some live material, but not complete). Thanks if possible

Could somebody please PM me as well because my interest in listening and getting these gigs started this thread for better or worse.

Add me to the list because I can't find it on Google. 

[Jason]

Tracks known to have been worked on for the faked live album -

You're So Good To Me
Help Me Rhonda (sung as Help You Rhonda)
Surfer Girl
California Girls
Surfin'
Sloop John B
Good Vibrations
God Only Knows
The Letter
Heroes and Villains
Game of Love

The AFM for the 9/11/67 Heider session only lists these titles

Sloop John B
Help Me, Rhonda
Good Vibrations
California Girls
Surfer Girl
God Only Knows
The Letter

... and of course the "H&V" 'bomb' skit probably dates from this time as well.

"Game Of Love" is a Wild Honey outtake, recorded 10/25/67 at Brian's home studio, along with "The Letter".

From http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/unreleased.html, the entry on Wild Honey -  

"Game Of Love" is a cover of the Clint Ballard Jr. classic, a 1965 US #1 hit for Wayne Fontana & The Mindbenders, recorded during the Heider sessions (lead vocal Mike)...

I know you have it listed in the sessions area as being a Wild Honey session, but what of the supposed Heider version quoted above? Of course, you also mention a session on 10/27/67 at Wally Heider for Game of Love, too. Is that the version referenced in the quote?

[Camus]

I've been looking for the 26th of August performance for ages.

I thought Don't Worry Baby was played at these performances?

[Wylson]

I'd also really appreciate help finding these recordings

[Andrew G. Doe]

I've been looking for the 26th of August performance for ages.

I thought Don't Worry Baby was played at these performances?

Read the liners to the 1990 'live' 2fer again. 

[Andrew G. Doe]

Tracks known to have been worked on for the faked live album -

You're So Good To Me
Help Me Rhonda (sung as Help You Rhonda)
Surfer Girl
California Girls
Surfin'
Sloop John B
Good Vibrations
God Only Knows
The Letter
Heroes and Villains
Game of Love

The AFM for the 9/11/67 Heider session only lists these titles

Sloop John B
Help Me, Rhonda
Good Vibrations
California Girls
Surfer Girl
God Only Knows
The Letter

... and of course the "H&V" 'bomb' skit probably dates from this time as well.

"Game Of Love" is a Wild Honey outtake, recorded 10/25/67 at Brian's home studio, along with "The Letter".

From http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/unreleased.html, the entry on Wild Honey -  

"Game Of Love" is a cover of the Clint Ballard Jr. classic, a 1965 US #1 hit for Wayne Fontana & The Mindbenders, recorded during the Heider sessions (lead vocal Mike)...

I know you have it listed in the sessions area as being a Wild Honey session, but what of the supposed Heider version quoted above? Of course, you also mention a session on 10/27/67 at Wally Heider for Game of Love, too. Is that the version referenced in the quote?

Yup, and thanks for the nudge - that entry was written a good few years ago, and needs revising.

[metal flake paint]

I find it curious that they rehearsed THWFOS, yet didn't perform it at either of the shows. Perhaps they realised that the audience might be too disruptive for that particular number.

Does anyone know if there were other songs rehearsed that weren't performed at these concerts?

[harveyw]

A link to the essay on Wally Heider's site. Fascinating reading....
http://wallyheider.com/wordpress/2005/03/recording-the-beach-boys-in-hawaii/

[rogerlancelot]

After over a year of inactivity, I decided to share the complete recordings (both shows, rehearsals and Heider material) on my blog. If anybody doesn't know where to find it, shoot me a PM and I'll direct you to the right spot.

[guitarfool2002]

A link to the essay on Wally Heider's site. Fascinating reading....
http://wallyheider.com/wordpress/2005/03/recording-the-beach-boys-in-hawaii/

Reading through all that, and whatever other writings and histories I've heard from the likes of Dale Manquen and others, does this sound like the type of mobile setup that would record these shows with enough "technical" errors and flubs to make it unusable? No one really commented on it a few days ago, but doesn't it sound like a cover-up for lackluster and somewhat spacey performances rather than technical gremlins?

Two points, one I've asked before:

1. One of the Hawaii shows is mixed down to mono. Does this mean multitracks of that show exist in the vaults at this time? I'd guess "yes".

2. Saying the material is lackluster does not make it any less compelling, even the Heider tapes...that coda to California Girls is just stunning, a drop-dead gorgeous vocal part. I think without Brian as a presence on the tapes, the shows would be less compelling to hear.

[Mark H.]

If they had released those shows as a live album in the fall of 1967 - their star would have only fallen that much faster in the wake of Monterey.  The Heider tapes are interesting now - but a fake live album of that material would have sealed their fate as irrelevant.

Brian should have finished SMiLE and the band should have performed the magnum opus at Monterey Pop.  Ohh well.

[guitarfool2002]

If they had released those shows as a live album in the fall of 1967 - their star would have only fallen that much faster in the wake of Monterey.  The Heider tapes are interesting now - but a fake live album of that material would have sealed their fate as irrelevant.

Brian should have finished SMiLE and the band should have performed the magnum opus at Monterey Pop.  Ohh well.

You do know the original masterplan was to cherry-pick live tracks from Hawaii (or Heider), Michigan 1966, and whatever else was in the vaults and use those to fill out Wild Honey? How would that have gone over, if *that* had ever happened?

It's part of the mindset of the band in the latter parts of 1967, just a total throw it against the wall and see what sticks kind of deal. At least they stole an awesome single from Redwood...

[SMiLE Brian]

A link to the essay on Wally Heider's site. Fascinating reading....
http://wallyheider.com/wordpress/2005/03/recording-the-beach-boys-in-hawaii/

Reading through all that, and whatever other writings and histories I've heard from the likes of Dale Manquen and others, does this sound like the type of mobile setup that would record these shows with enough "technical" errors and flubs to make it unusable? No one really commented on it a few days ago, but doesn't it sound like a cover-up for lackluster and somewhat spacey performances rather than technical gremlins?

Two points, one I've asked before:

1. One of the Hawaii shows is mixed down to mono. Does this mean multitracks of that show exist in the vaults at this time? I'd guess "yes".

2. Saying the material is lackluster does not make it any less compelling, even the Heider tapes...that coda to California Girls is just stunning, a drop-dead gorgeous vocal part. I think without Brian as a presence on the tapes, the shows would be less compelling to hear.

Just listened to both shows and i am impressed with the album. I wish it was recorded properly because with Brian being back, the group is so much better. I wish the group had found a better replacement for Brian than Bruce.

[Jason]

1. One of the Hawaii shows is mixed down to mono. Does this mean multitracks of that show exist in the vaults at this time? I'd guess "yes".

Multitracks of both shows presumably exist, although, if I remember correctly, the mono mix of the 8/25 show as bootlegged is missing Sloop John B.

[guitarfool2002]

1. One of the Hawaii shows is mixed down to mono. Does this mean multitracks of that show exist in the vaults at this time? I'd guess "yes".

Multitracks of both shows presumably exist, although, if I remember correctly, the mono mix of the 8/25 show as bootlegged is missing Sloop John B.

That's what I thought as well, and what that leads to is asking how these Hawaii shows escaped the Sea Of Tunes releases when the other live shows done in a similar way for "official" releases were found in the vaults.