History of Brothers Records?

[Andrew G. Doe]

I really wasn't trying to be stupid. But hey, I do look like Mike Love. And I am not trying to wind you up.

But for some reason, I was thinking the Unsurpassed masters were Brother, then I remembered it was Sea of Tunes. But I did not know that Sea of Tunes has been out for 30 years until you told me AGD.

I could google these questions. But what's the fun in that when I could just ask people on here.

And that is pretty much what pisses me off sometimes - "well, yeah, I could look for it myself but, foder it, can't be bothered - I'll go ask on Smiley Smile". Tell me, how do you think we managed back in the 70s and 80s when the most advanced means of research we had was called a library or a telephone ?  Here's what doesn't piss me off - someone who at least tries, even if it's just an hours worth of Googling.

That said, the Sea Of Tunes stuff is absolutely basic knowledge, BB 101. Read the books. Peter Ames Carlin's is a fine place to start.

[lupinofan]

I could google these questions. But what's the fun in that when I could just ask people on here.

I would also suggest that information gleaned here is likely to be more thorough and reliable than from other sources.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I could google these questions. But what's the fun in that when I could just ask people on here.

I would also suggest that information gleaned here is likely to be more thorough and reliable than from other sources.

Nah... I make most of it up. 

[mikeyj]

I could google these questions. But what's the fun in that when I could just ask people on here.

I would also suggest that information gleaned here is likely to be more thorough and reliable than from other sources.

Nah... I make most of it up. 

Still... even if that were true you'd still be more reliable than Badman and I'm sure a lot of other authors as well.

[Jonas]

Tell me, how do you think we managed back in the 70s and 80s when the most advanced means of research we had was called a library or a telephone ? 

But its not the 70s and 80s....and its a message board. Its a place to ignite conversation and answer questions, as basic as they are. How many times can we go over who sang back up lead #2 on this song in the year 1970 between the months of April and June? If you can't be bothered to answer the question, then at least give them a place to start looking...or just say nothing at all.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Tell me, how do you think we managed back in the 70s and 80s when the most advanced means of research we had was called a library or a telephone ?  

But its not the 70s and 80s....and its a message board. Its a place to ignite conversation and answer questions, as basic as they are. How many times can we go over who sang back up lead #2 on this song in the year 1970 between the months of April and June? If you can't be bothered to answer the question, then at least give them a place to start looking...or just say nothing at all.

OK, best place to start looking for the basics:

Bellagio 10452

Timeline, discographies, shows, sessions, chart positions week by week, album track listings and lead vocals... and a whole mess of other minutiae.

BTW, I did answer the question, as you'd have noticed had you bothered to read the whole thread.  

This is not the Bloo - a certain basic knowledge of this thing we call The Beach Boys is assumed.

[Jonas]

This is not the Bloo - a certain basic knowledge of this thing we call The Beach Boys is assumed.

I can agree/disagree with this point. It reminds me of a few years back when I was really getting into the Beach Boys, and I started Googling all the different questions I had. A few of them led (lead?) me here, after a while I finally created an account and started asking some questions that I would facepalm if I read them today. However, back then, there was an awesome group of people that were knowledgeable and very patient. Thanks to this board, I was even introduced to the world of Beach Boys bootlegs, which I had no idea existed.

So yes, basic knowledge is a plus, but you have to remember SS comes up on a lot of Beach Boys related searches, which is what I always consider when I read even the most basic question.

[smile-holland]

This is not the Bloo - a certain basic knowledge of this thing we call The Beach Boys is assumed.

Hmmm-yes-okay... but... there's also that category that we could call the "enthousiastic-but-not-Blooish-oriented-yet-a-bit-easy-going-on-information-gathering" type of fan.

Many people simply don't know how tough it was during the ol'e times to get proper (and reliable) information. And lupinofan did have a good point: we all know that a lot of info on the internet should be taken with a grain of salt. And one cannot totally trust most books on this subject either.
So, if you had to choose: trying to find reliable info on the www which might take some time... or go the easy route and ask here, with an almost 100% garantee that you get the correct info you were looking for (albeit it with *sigh* or a grumpy remark as a bonus  ): what would you do? (try to displace yourself in the mind of 20 year old).
Those (relatively) newbee fans have to learn somewhere... might as well be at the best location there is: the SmileySmile-board.

Maybe it's just the new generation, Andrew. We're getting old...

Suggestion: add that Bellagio link to your signature (like I did with the Starline website.... not that I think anyone actually ever checks it (i.e. my website), but one never knows...)

[Andrew G. Doe]

This is not the Bloo - a certain basic knowledge of this thing we call The Beach Boys is assumed.

I can agree/disagree with this point. It reminds me of a few years back when I was really getting into the Beach Boys, and I started Googling all the different questions I had. A few of them led (lead?) me here, after a while I finally created an account and started asking some questions that I would facepalm if I read them today. However, back then, there was an awesome group of people that were knowledgeable and very patient. Thanks to this board, I was even introduced to the world of Beach Boys bootlegs, which I had no idea existed.

So yes, basic knowledge is a plus, but you have to remember SS comes up on a lot of Beach Boys related searches, which is what I always consider when I read even the most basic question.

Basic knowledge isn't a plus: it's expected, it's a requirement.  How hard it it to put your question in the Google box ? Or go to Amazon and get a used copy of Peter's excellent book for just over $3 ?  Most folk here, trolls and wind-up merchants excepted are pretty knowledgeable. I work on this simple premise - if I can be bothered to go find out stuff about The Beach Boys (or indeed anything else, and I am basically Mr. Indolence), then I expect the same of others. Blame my father: if I asked him a question and it was pretty basic, he'd point at the bookcases & shelves and tell me if it wasn't in there, to come back and then he'd tell me. And 99 times out of a hundred, it was. A very wonderful man.

[Andrew G. Doe]

This is not the Bloo - a certain basic knowledge of this thing we call The Beach Boys is assumed.

Hmmm-yes-okay... but... there's also that category that we could call the "enthousiastic-but-not-Blooish-oriented-yet-a-bit-easy-going-on-information-gathering" type of fan.

Many people simply don't know how tough it was during the ol'e times to get proper (and reliable) information. And lupinofan did have a good point: we all know that a lot of info on the internet should be taken with a grain of salt. And one cannot totally trust most books on this subject either.
So, if you had to choose: trying to find reliable info on the www which might take some time... or go the easy route and ask here, with an almost 100% garantee that you get the correct info you were looking for (albeit it with *sigh* or a grumpy remark as a bonus  ): what would you do? (try to displace yourself in the mind of 20 year old).
Those (relatively) newbee fans have to learn somewhere... might as well be at the best location there is: the SmileySmile-board.

Maybe it's just the new generation, Andrew. We're getting old...

Suggestion: add that Bellagio link to your signature (like I did with the Starline website.... not that I think anyone actually ever checks it (i.e. my website), but one never knows...)

Well for one thing, if I was 20 I wouldn't waste the next 35 years of my life on The Beach Boys.   

[Jonas]

Basic knowledge isn't a plus: it's expected, it's a requirement.  How hard it it to put your question in the Google box ? Or go to Amazon and get a used copy of Peter's excellent book for just over $3 ?  Most folk here, trolls and wind-up merchants excepted are pretty knowledgeable. I work on this simple premise - if I can be bothered to go find out stuff about The Beach Boys (or indeed anything else, and I am basically Mr. Indolence), then I expect the same of others. Blame my father: if I asked him a question and it was pretty basic, he'd point at the bookcases & shelves and tell me if it wasn't in there, to come back and then he'd tell me. And 99 times out of a hundred, it was. A very wonderful man.

None of the basic questions are addressed to you, so just do your best, nay...just ignore them.

[smile-holland]

Well for one thing, if I was 20 I wouldn't waste the next 35 years of my life on The Beach Boys.   

and yet you did !!  


O, and as for the signature thing: I meant a clickable link, like this:  Bellagio 10452

[Andrew G. Doe]

Well for one thing, if I was 20 I wouldn't waste the next 35 years of my life on The Beach Boys.  

and yet you did !!  

I know better now.

O, and as for the signature thing: I meant a clickable link, like this:  Bellagio 10452

*koff* - try clicking on it.  

[smile-holland]

*koff* - try clicking on it. 

Ah, you were still busy with that when I mentioned that - 15 minutes ago it didn't work yet. But it works now.

[jammer730]

Maybe Andrew should just start his own board

[bgas]

Maybe Andrew should just start his own board

I thought he started this one.

[jammer730]

Maybe Andrew should just start his own board

I thought he started this one.

According to this web site,

http://www.earcandymag.com/smileshop-2005.htm

it was Jon Hunt and John Lane.

(you're welcome Andrew) 

[oldsurferdude]

Does it exist today?

You're confusing the label with the studio.


No, demolished some time ago, now condos.

I had read that the studio was demolished. What about the label? I assume it exists today. Do we know who owns it?

Oddly enough, some bunch of broken down old losers called The Beach Boys.

I take it you've not bought any of the 1970-1985 2fers.

And, excuse me, if you'd read the studio was demolished, then why ask if it still existed ?

I meant the label the first time. For some reason, I thought that was exchanged as well. I think I was getting it confused with Sea of Tunes. Haven't there been a lot of bootleg type releases on SoT?

OK, I'm not famed for my forbearance in the face of rank stupidity, but I'll assume you're not trying to wind me up, just as I'll assume you've not read any of the basic Beach Boys books or even done the most minimal amount of Googling.

Sea of Tunes was the publishing company Murry set up, notionally with Brian, in the early 60s to retain the publishing on their songs. Murry later sold SOT, behind Brian's back, and very likely by forging his signature, in 1969 for a one-off sum of $700,000 (it's been estimated this has cost Brian, to date, in excess of $35 million). The Sea of Tunes 'label' which 'released' the outstanding Unsurpassed Masters series of studio session outtakes in the late 1990s was, as anyone with a single functioning brain cell would realise, nothing to do with a publishing company that hadn't existed for something like 30 years.

Holy crap! Who pissed on your Wheaties??

[Magic Transistor Radio]

I have read several books on the BBs. But not every ounce of info has stuck in my head. I think I know more than basic knowledge about the band. I didn't realise that this was basic knowledge. Although, I do get your point that I can google this stuff. But sometimes I don't know which ones to trust. But thanks for that link.