Smiley Smile

[I. Spaceman]

Partly that. I just don't like Kubrick's snide and condescending tone and unoriginal visual sense in all his work after 2001.

[matt 1234]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh stop it, you are pretentious man. STOP IT. WHAT MOVIE HAVE U MADE WHAT MUSIC HAVE YOU MADE?

[Chris D.]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh stop it, you are pretentious man. STOP IT. WHAT MOVIE HAVE U MADE WHAT MUSIC HAVE YOU MADE?

What have you done to say something's good?

[matt 1234]

im not ripping apart things that are clearly great and beyond anything i could do.

[Chris D.]

It's easy to like things because other people do, isn't it?

[I. Spaceman]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh stop it, you are pretentious man. STOP IT. WHAT MOVIE HAVE U MADE WHAT MUSIC HAVE YOU MADE?

Plenty. I can criticise film because I have properly studied it.
You are ripping apart things that are clearly great.
And for saying that people are crazy for liking SMiLEY, I would only like you to say it to me in person.

[matt 1234]

yeah i like the beach boys cause everyone i went to school with loved them let me tell ya.  clockwork orange? yeah i didnt watch that on tv when i was like 13. if anything, im guilty of not liking things other people like.  

[matt 1234]

i would say it your face in a second an anything else i would want to say, i dont fear any violence or debate

[I. Spaceman]

You wouldn't have the time.
Stop being queer for this thread and create some threads about what you do like.

[Reverend Joshua Sloane]

Mike & Matt,

Try posting about an album you do like, in its appropriate place. You'll find your thoughts will be well taken and everyone will have a fine time. The major problem everyone here has with you is that you've not yet made any worthwhile posts. All it seems you've done is come on here to insult the people who enjoy this album. I know that's not actually what you came here for, but since you're both such great fans try posting about something you like about the BBoys.

And since when is a person a "nerd" for being part of a message board? Perhaps there aren't 600+ people in each of our immediate locations, of whom we can discuss such things with. I sure know that there's not a single person in my school who I could have a conversation with about the Beach Boys.

[Reverend Joshua Sloane]

Actually I see you're starting to spread out to the rest of the board.

It's not as bad as you think here, you'll gel right in soon.

[matt 1234]

im fine with that, this is just crazy anyways.  i guess we all get a little touchy with the beach boys. its actually kinda funny, and h&v we are all nerds for posting on this board. i can accept that, i read lord of the rings too.  they have message boards just like this, and they have people who know all the stupid sh*t thats on every page and the most random obscure facts about stuff that doesnt matter, and i love that. its a great escape, as are the beach boys, you can get lost listening to all the albums.  i think the funniest part of fighting on this board about the music is the fact that since we are here you can pretty much bet that we like this band alot more than most people. this is really just a big fight about who "gets it" gets which album, smile, smiley smile, pet sounds whatever.
and to the part about postin on stuff i do like, i havent cause i feel like if i said anything that most likely been posted already and just get trashed for it

[I. Spaceman]

i havent cause i feel like if i said anything that most likely been posted already and just get trashed for it
 

You won't. Try it.
But PLEASE capitalise your sentences and use punctuation.

[matt 1234]

I will try.  Proper puncuation and spelling isnt important to me, when i see things written wrong or spelled wrong i just correct it while reading. To me its the point thats being made, not the pen writing it.  But i can understand how its annoying, sorry

[I. Spaceman]

No problem. Good luck to you on the board.

[Reverend Joshua Sloane]

Good Vibrations

The Pocket Symphony

As I type i'm listening to an orchestra do this song. While it seems none of them really know the song to the exact detail and feel, (some parts seem a bit off as someone not so familar would fall trap to playing) it is still an amazing sound. I really can't think of another single which tops this from any year, ever. Even if you listen to Todd Rundgren's cover of GV and the Beatles' Rain and Strawberry Fields Forever, it's clear which song blows the other two right out of the water. Great song. Amazing recording.

[I. Spaceman]

Imagine flipping it over and hearing Let's Go Away for Awhile.
Nice post, totally agree.

[RobtheNobleSurfer]

Or more like a smile to hide the anger.

[RobtheNobleSurfer]

I came on here to express my dislike for smiley smile

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The reason you came on was to express negativity.
So that's what you get back!
See how that works?

The smile you send out returns to you" - Indian Wisom

[RobtheNobleSurfer]

I'm listening to the sessions of Smiley.

The finished Smiley is in my Top 5 BB albums simply because it is so unlike anything in their catalogue. So weird. So strange, yet so alluring at the same time. The darker tone that drive these versions of Wonderful and Wind Chimes, for example seem almost passive agressive. The "forced" or "angry" smile, if you will.

[Compost]

I came on here to express my dislike for smiley smile, and all I get are retarded insults from you and your equally un-intelligent allies on this forum. You people take all the fun out of the beach boys.

What an amusing debate!  I've resisted the temptation to comment, but this logic is startlingly hilarious:  I came on here to express my dislike for smiley smile [but] you people take all the fun out of the beach boys.

Now think about that for a moment, please...

Are you ready for the results?

Here they are:

You are stupid

Follow H&V's advice and try posting something positive (even though it won't be fun according to your logic).

[mike8902]

You just twisted my quote around to serve your purpose. I could start a bunch of threads about positive things, but if I did you assholes would say it was "boring" or something and just put me down. 

[I. Spaceman]

if I did you assholes would say it was "boring" or something and just put me down. 

Nope. Try it.

[Jeff Mason]

Damnit man, my objective was not to spread negativity. There always needs to be two sides of the coin. I don't know why you don't get it. They balance each other out.

Following that logic, I have some suggestions....

Find a Charlie Chaplin board and tell everyone there that movies need a soundtrack to be worthy of consideration.
Find a board devoted to film noir and make an argument for colorizing movies.
Find a Star Wars board and tell them that Lucas can burn the negatives to the original trilogy and no one should dispute that authority.
Find an Elvis board and tell them that he stole his Vegas act from Tom Jones.

All of these are opinions that people have spoken.  I have heard them all expressed.  I totally disagree with all of them and to be honest consider them to be very ignorant.  I can handle it when people offer those ignorant opinions in the "real world", as they don't know any better.  But in my own world, I would hope that people know better.  I would get very angry if someone offered up opinions like these just to "balance" out things.

You certainly are entitled to your opinion.  But you are WWAAAYYYY out of line to impose your aesthetic judgment as an absolute upon a board that by its very name holds up the album you ridicule as a great album.

Try this exercise.  Since most of us weren't around or were too young 40 years ago, this should be easy -- take Smile totally out of the picture.  Imagine the Beach Boys the way the rest of the world does -- as surfing goody two shoes.  Think of just the hits.  Then in THAT context play Smiley Smile, not as a Smile substitute, but as just another BB album.  Listen to it then, and see if it doesn't sound different.  The melodies are consistently a huge cut above most other 1967 music, the arrangements are too creative to have been thrown together at random haphazrd, and the vibe is an eerie mesmerizing groove.  I have never been high or stoned, but listening to Smiley, I don't think I need to -- that album alone can alter consciousness.

[mike8902]

But look at this side of the argument. In 1966 The Beach Boys came out with Pet Sounds and although not everyone "got it" the people who did get it were blown away. Now, if you were one of the people who were totally blown away by the brilliance and grandeur of pet sounds you would be thinking "This guy can do anything he's gonna blow the music world away with whatever he does next". And then you wait and you wait, you hear the smile rumors and are expecting something so brilliant, but all you get is the simple smiley smile. In my opinion there was no evolution from Pet Sounds to Smiley Smile, it was Brian de-evolving, because of his fractured ego. And the only point I wanted to get across on this board was that I think Smile was the right successor to Pet Sounds. It was a step in a new direction, but he stayed on the same level of brilliance.