The Best of Brian-less Beach Boys album
Andrew G. Doe:
Quote from: buddhahat on September 02, 2010, 02:24:53 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on September 02, 2010, 12:56:11 AM
Quote from: buddhahat on September 02, 2010, 12:04:33 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on August 30, 2010, 03:05:34 PM
Quote from: Menace Wilson on August 30, 2010, 02:59:49 PM
I've always thought I could hear some of BW's compositional style in "All This Is That". Did he have nothing to do with the writing of that tune?
Nothing at all, nor the recording.
This surprises me as there's a clear reference to All This Is That in Brian's Happy Days. Compare the lines "Happy Days are here again. The sky is clear and blue again" to All This Is That: "Day break and I take a glide, into the pool of peace inside." It's an identical melody and would surprise me if Brian quoted a song written by one of the others.
Just did an A/B - the melody is similar, but far from identical. In any case, the second part of "Happy Days" is a recycled (untitled) Love You outtake - Brian stated this in an interview shortly after Imagination was released.
I must disagree with you on this as 2.29 to 2.45 on Happy Days is strikingly similar to me, to the point that when I first heard it I instantly recognised it as All This Is That. Granted, it's only two chords, but the melody of the vocal line is identical to my ears, and if I isolate the following line, I hear identical intonation per syllable:
"The | Sky | Is | Clear | And | Blue | A | gain"
"In | to |the | pool | of | peace | I | glide"
to the point that it can't just be coincidence imo. Whether that then means he originally was involved in the writing of ATIT or was plagiarising it for Happy Days I don't know, but if he recycled part of a Love You Outtake for part of it, then why would he not dip further back into his own catalogue for another part? A lot of what ifs I know but I'll be sticking with my hunch :)
It's fascinating to hear though that the 2nd part is a Love You outtake - thanks for this info. I love the whole section "Oh my gosh, Happy Days are here again" and was recently wondering if that was newly written for Imagination, or a recycle, as it's just so catchy. I'd wager that that part was written during Love You. It is very similar in spirit to Marching Along and That Special Feeling. To think there could be more Love You outtakes in the vault, specifically an embryonic part of Happy Days ...
I'd be a tad happier if you quoted the lyrics you're comparing correctly. It's "blue and clear", and "pool of peace inside" (I know, a very minor point, but...): also you've downgraded from "identical" (statement) to "strikingly similar to me" (opinion). ;D
buddhahat:
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on September 02, 2010, 03:42:15 AM
Quote from: buddhahat on September 02, 2010, 02:24:53 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on September 02, 2010, 12:56:11 AM
Quote from: buddhahat on September 02, 2010, 12:04:33 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on August 30, 2010, 03:05:34 PM
Quote from: Menace Wilson on August 30, 2010, 02:59:49 PM
I've always thought I could hear some of BW's compositional style in "All This Is That". Did he have nothing to do with the writing of that tune?
Nothing at all, nor the recording.
This surprises me as there's a clear reference to All This Is That in Brian's Happy Days. Compare the lines "Happy Days are here again. The sky is clear and blue again" to All This Is That: "Day break and I take a glide, into the pool of peace inside." It's an identical melody and would surprise me if Brian quoted a song written by one of the others.
Just did an A/B - the melody is similar, but far from identical. In any case, the second part of "Happy Days" is a recycled (untitled) Love You outtake - Brian stated this in an interview shortly after Imagination was released.
I must disagree with you on this as 2.29 to 2.45 on Happy Days is strikingly similar to me, to the point that when I first heard it I instantly recognised it as All This Is That. Granted, it's only two chords, but the melody of the vocal line is identical to my ears, and if I isolate the following line, I hear identical intonation per syllable:
"The | Sky | Is | Clear | And | Blue | A | gain"
"In | to |the | pool | of | peace | I | glide"
to the point that it can't just be coincidence imo. Whether that then means he originally was involved in the writing of ATIT or was plagiarising it for Happy Days I don't know, but if he recycled part of a Love You Outtake for part of it, then why would he not dip further back into his own catalogue for another part? A lot of what ifs I know but I'll be sticking with my hunch :)
It's fascinating to hear though that the 2nd part is a Love You outtake - thanks for this info. I love the whole section "Oh my gosh, Happy Days are here again" and was recently wondering if that was newly written for Imagination, or a recycle, as it's just so catchy. I'd wager that that part was written during Love You. It is very similar in spirit to Marching Along and That Special Feeling. To think there could be more Love You outtakes in the vault, specifically an embryonic part of Happy Days ...
I'd be a tad happier if you quoted the lyrics you're comparing correctly. It's "blue and clear", and "pool of peace inside" (I know, a very minor point, but...): also you've downgraded from "identical" (statement) to "strikingly similar to me" (opinion). ;D
Ok ok, I mixed the lines up in my haste to prove you wrong ;D
For the sake of argument, I would say that the intonation on that one line is identical, and overall that 16 second section of Happy Days is strikingly similar to All This Is That.
TdHabib:
Quote from: Jay on September 01, 2010, 11:05:01 PM
Quote from: TdHabib on August 30, 2010, 06:00:23 PM
Brian does the ba-ba-bas on "Long Promised Road".
Are you sure? It doesn't sound anything like him to me.
It's in the David Marks/Stebbins book.
BJL:
Quote from: TdHabib on September 02, 2010, 08:15:21 PM
Quote from: Jay on September 01, 2010, 11:05:01 PM
Quote from: TdHabib on August 30, 2010, 06:00:23 PM
Brian does the ba-ba-bas on "Long Promised Road".
Are you sure? It doesn't sound anything like him to me.
It's in the David Marks/Stebbins book.
for some reason i thought this was marilyn?
BJL:
Quote from: carl r on September 02, 2010, 03:35:28 AM
I don't want to start a war here, but I'd like to say, 'All This Is That' seems like a bit of a freak occasion, if we think that Brian had absolutely nothing to do with it. Not to say that Carl, Alan and Mike weren't capable of good stuff - but All This... stands apart IMO.
I beg to differ...I think the thing that confuses people is that all this is that is often attributed strongly to mike and al, when really, to my ears, it is the logical successor to feel flows and long promised road, and has carl's fingerprints all over it!! It certainly has more in common with feel flows or trader than with mess of help or funky pretty, which seem to represent brian's state of mind at the time - the four above mentioned carl wilson songs are in themselves a bit of a freak occurrence. Carl's contributions elsewhere in the catalogue are often very good, but those four songs rise to an incredible level, and stand with the best music of the 70s, imho
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