Surprising tracks: released and unreleased

[Sam_BFC]

Ahhh ok, I think I was thinking about the Surf's Up session with the film crew? And they just filmed Brian solo in the end...

Thats for AGD btw...I'm told to review my post XD

[Andrew G. Doe]

Ahhh ok, I think I was thinking about the Surf's Up session with the film crew? And they just filmed Brian solo in the end...

Thats for AGD btw...I'm told to review my post XD

The fight at the filmed session on 12/15/66 is one of those fabricated myths: because Jules Seigel wrote 'the session went badly' and later quoted Brian as using the phrase "let's get into something non-confrontational" (or the like), people jumped to the conclusion that there was some kind of blowout between Mike & Brian, with one noted author stating as fact in print that the argument was captured on film. Then when Oppenheim's notes were unearthed, no mention of any confrontation at all. The session 'went badly' because they didn't perform well. That's all. More to the point, the rest of the band had left before Brian did "Surf's Up": the 'bad' part of the sessions was for "Wonderful".  

Jeez, and I did that without even thinking, much less looking any of it up. I need to go down the store and get me a life...

[Mikie]

Sam, I was kidding.  Brian actually did say that somewhere; I don't remember when/where. That might even have been a paraphrase.

[hypehat]

It should be noted that the so-called "cocaine tapes" went around a good eight or nine years before they were "officially" booted. It's a cyclic process. The stuff that came out wholesale in the 90s on bootleg was going around via traders as early as 1977.

This process annoys me. Like it was only a mistake we proles got 'Get The Boot' because someone managed to leak it......

That wasn't leaked - those tracks were stolen from someone's (legitimate) possession while they was hosting an open house. Caused the individual in question no end of trouble until they could prove they weren't directly responsible. Utterly despicable behavior on all levels.

Oh.... I know who you mean, via careful reading of this board.... I guess, and this reflects on me badly as a person, that I don't mind bootlegging as long as it's a victimless crime. Although I don't know the circumstances of many bootlegs coming into circulation.... I always thought it was clandestine sneaking, and the way those Get The Boot tapes came into circulation seemed particularly disgusting, even to these bootleg thirsty ears.

Shows how much I know, i suppose 

[bgas]

All bootlegging is good.

[Myk Luhv]

If Capitol or the band members themselves aren't going to release vaulted stuff, I'm damn happy at least someone is -- or a group of people are -- willing to do it for them.

[punkinhead]

with what's released of the Today!/Summer Days sessions, I'm surprised there's no official release of the Sandy track(s)

[donald]

Looks like this got a bit off subject.     

But on the subject of Loren on the dvd, ...I too found his presentation surprising and obnoxious....
Very immature..like an adolescent bragging to a friend how he secretetly dosed someone with acid and took some kind of perverse pride in putting this person through a very bad experience.  I wonder if he saw the film and realized that he really looked like a jerk.

As for surprising tracks...I've heard quite a few but one that stands out is "Life is for the Living".  Big production, horns, big band vegas style, great vocals, and lines like "don't sit around on your ass smoking grass......"  Now here is a song you can play for your BB naive friends.

[The Heartical Don]

All bootlegging is good.

That's not what Moses said to the children of Israel.

[18thofMay]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/nov/23/beach-boys-soulful-old-man-sunshine?INTCMP=SRCH

Cool little article and link!

[NHC]

Mike voiced strong concerns but then he'd also been against much of Pet Sounds.

Always remember, as much as Mike might have voiced his concerns and reservations with this material, he then proceeded to do his best for Brian: he might not have had a clue what "over and over/the crow cries/uncover the cornfield" meant, but he sang the bejazus out of it. 

Exactly

[Mahalo]

with what's released of the Today!/Summer Days sessions, I'm surprised there's no official release of the Sandy track(s)

Sandy trax= Genuis. Love, Love, LOVE this track. I've lost sleep lamenting the fact that this song wasn't completed.

Surprisingly AMAZING unrleased tracks- You're Still A Mystery and Soul Searching...

[Peter Reum]

Soulful Old Man Sunshine, Desper`s Til I Die, studio Graduation Day, Sound of Free, Brian`s CA feeling from 1974, Ca Girls track, LDC demo, just to name a few.

David Leaf is a close and dear friend...he asked the BBs to interview for Beautiful Dreamer, but they declined. Loren Daro sincerely believes what he said. He and many other  people I have met through the years sincerely believe they are opening peoples`with acid. That it has "side effects" is ddoes not occur to them.

[acedecade75]

I also think that Carl would tend to be overly protective of his brother. Which raises an interesting question. What if Carl ended up being the "wifeandmanagers" in Brian's life? Would he escape the blame, only because he was Carl Wilson?

Of course he would, because he'd make better decisions.

Words of wisdom.

[Jim V.]

Soulful Old Man Sunshine, Desper`s Til I Die, studio Graduation Day, Sound of Free, Brian`s CA feeling from 1974, Ca Girls track, LDC demo, just to name a few.

David Leaf is a close and dear friend...he asked the BBs to interview for Beautiful Dreamer, but they declined. Loren Daro sincerely believes what he said. He and many other  people I have met through the years sincerely believe they are opening peoples`with acid. That it has "side effects" is ddoes not occur to them.

Arghh, judging by the list of those tracks, it seems like 1974 "California Feelin'" really is all it's cracked up to be. I really hope they include it in a release within the next year, as I'm assuming there will be at least one or two more Beach Boys releases for the 50th anniversary.

And here's the thing about Loren Daro. I think he's a moron for thinking giving drugs to Brian was a good thing. But I also get the vibe that you guys blame HIM for Brian taking acid. And I think that is f***ed up. It is Brian's fault that Brian took acid. It's just like when I've seen people I know die from a drug overdose and people blame the dealer, not realizing that the person who took the drugs is most at fault. So don't get me wrong, Loren Daro is sleazy, scummy, etc, but I think acting like it's all his fault Brian cracked up is wrong.

[Jason]

But...but...but...isn't Brian always the victim?

[Curtis Leon]

I'm surprised that Drip Drop leaked out. Actually, I'm REALLY shocked that the "cocaine tapes" surfaced(although quite glad to hear it  ). You'd think that it would be something that the "powers that be" would keep a tight lid on. That being said, I don't think we, the fans, would have the recordings if Carl were still living.

It's not really up to the "powers that be" - you can't really control something like theft or "borrowing" and tape copying without sealing up the vault to everyone and anyone, which would be massively impractical. The main problem I have against bootleggers is that it slows down the official releasing process toward incredibly hyped up pieces like Wouldn't It Be Nice to Live Again, the parts of the Caribou sessions we don't have currently, some of Brian's recordings during the "dark age" that would be nice for historical study, and Dennis' Hubba Hubba/Poops sessions.

Don't get me wrong - I love Get the Boot as much as the next Smiley Smiler, actually probably more so because I actually rather dig a lot of the second disc, but given the choice between the above and things like their recording of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and all those damn oldies recordings near the end of the disc...

[Peter Reum]

Personally, I believe if Mr. Daro had not given Brian acid, someone else would have.  Lots of Sixties people took it...not knowing how powerful it`s effects or potential for injuring minds/brains. It still does!

[Jay]

If Brian was taking pot, hash, and was messing around with Nitrous Oxide, then he would have found acid one way or another.

[Loaf]

I don't see the problem with Loren Schwartz in the doc. He tells a few drug anecdotes about his buddies back in the day. Who doesn't do that? The one about Brian going to cry in the bedroom about his fears and parents, and then bounding out of the room saying 'that was enough of that' sounds hilarious. Very Brian. I imagine they had a great laugh about it at the time. And although LSD probably didn't help Brian's long-term mental state, I thought there were far worse things that he did in the following few years that really messed him up?

[b00ts]

I agree about Schwartz but I have to jump in here to defend lysergic acid.

While people who are predisposed to schizoaffective disorders (like Brian) should stay far, far away from acid, it has a lot of uses as a psychiatric drug to treat depression and alcoholism in a controlled setting. The misinformation that we all heard about it growing up (acid stays in your body forever, destroys your brain, etc) is simply not true. It is one of the most physically well-tolerated substances on the planet.

The danger is mental. In someone with schizophrenia, acid can precipitate a mental breakdown... Especially when they are dosed without their knowledge, which makes this situation so shady and nasty.

AA has a success rate of 10%, meaning 90% likelihood of drinking within the first year. Controlled treatment with LSD has a success rate of 50%, far beyond any other treatment.

The problem is that LSD was abused as a recreational drug when it really should be used in small doses and in a controlled setting. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/lsd-helps-alcoholics-put-down-the-botttle-419523.html

Today many countries, including Switzerland, are allowing legal LSD therapy. It also helps people a lot with end-of-life issues and coping. Like most other drugs, it can be abused but it has its place in society.

And now, we return to our regularly scheduled programming.

[punkinhead]

Soulful Old Man Sunshine, Desper`s Til I Die, studio Graduation Day, Sound of Free, Brian`s CA feeling from 1974, Ca Girls track, LDC demo, just to name a few.

David Leaf is a close and dear friend...he asked the BBs to interview for Beautiful Dreamer, but they declined. Loren Daro sincerely believes what he said. He and many other  people I have met through the years sincerely believe they are opening peoples`with acid. That it has "side effects" is ddoes not occur to them.

The songs you listed, are you surprised they weren't released on an album or are you surprised they went unreleased for so long?
I just got confused when you included Sound of Free and California Feeling. As Sound of Free is available to a certain extent...yet CF (of all the songs you mentioned) hasn't seen the light of day.