Thanks Rolling Stone

[MBE]

Well I don't want to give it away as I have some info on this I am saving for my book, but Andrew and Robmac are both half right. I don't remember which interview Mike said it in exactly , but he gave the probable reason SNJ tanked. I did a little more digging on his comment and it seems to pan out. Again sorry to be mysterious but I just want you both to know that neither of you are 100 percent wrong.

You tease! When can we expect the book to be released?

Gosh I hope for next years holiday season. It depends how much freelance assignments I get. I do a lot of things for the company I work for but have been taking advantage of some time off. If I have little else to do I can finish it by summer. In 2008 and most of this year I was swamped. Don't get me wrong I love what I do, but I am excited to have my own project. BTW I want to correct myself in that the interview about the record was a BBA one with Melcher. I checked some facts and they seem to pan out. I can't prove 100 percent either way but I think I will have some interesting evidence. On issues like this I present all sides and let the reader judge for themselves as a rule.

[Wirestone]

Al wouldn't promote it because it was about drug use. And he seemingly didn't understand that during the recording, but afterward he didn't want anything to do with it.

[KokoMoses]

At this point Mike's "rant" is nothing but grand entertainment. Mike certainly wasn't the only one to "ruin" the Beach Boys career over the years. Brian, in fact, made some choice attempts of his own.

This is one thing about Mike-hating that has always bugged me. At that HOF ceremony, there was a huge elephant in the room, and is it fair to endlessly slam the guy who happened to mention the elephant, while unquestioningly worshipping those who dragged the elephant in there in the first place?

Was it cool for Fogerty to get up there and play Creedence songs while his former bandmates had to sit there with their wives and watch? (different ceremony/year/I know) Can you imagine for a moment how that must have felt for those guys? But Fogerty's a God, right? He can do things like that, right? But Mike simply makes mention of the bad vibes and he's a merdahole??

[hypehat]

It's not what his intention was, it's the utterly boneheaded way he chose to express it.

[KokoMoses]

Ok, well there's boneheaded (Mike) and simply mean (Fogerty) .... I'll take boneheaded any day because at least boneheaded can be funny, while mean is just..... mean.

I've said it before: Mike pays for the sins of all the bastards in rock. It's "ok" to hate the guy. Hell, it's even cool!

[Jason]

As far as Michael bashing goes, this is relatively light - I've seen people compare him to Adolf Hitler. Now let's see who the f***ed up ones are.

[Rocker]

At this point Mike's "rant" is nothing but grand entertainment. Mike certainly wasn't the only one to "ruin" the Beach Boys career over the years. Brian, in fact, made some choice attempts of his own.

This is one thing about Mike-hating that has always bugged me. At that HOF ceremony, there was a huge elephant in the room, and is it fair to endlessly slam the guy who happened to mention the elephant, while unquestioningly worshipping those who dragged the elephant in there in the first place?

Was it cool for Fogerty to get up there and play Creedence songs while his former bandmates had to sit there with their wives and watch? (different ceremony/year/I know) Can you imagine for a moment how that must have felt for those guys? But Fogerty's a God, right? He can do things like that, right? But Mike simply makes mention of the bad vibes and he's a merdahole??

Fogerty had his right too. Those are all persnal issues and none of us walked in their shoes so we can't really know what went on and why

[KokoMoses]

Absolutely! And same goes for Mike. But for presentation/ceremonial purposes, it was awful for Fogerty to do that.

Not that I'm letting Mike off the hook. His speech was absolutely stupifying. But at least he was attempting to make an arguably relevent point.

[Shady]

As far as Michael bashing goes, this is relatively light - I've seen people compare him to Adolf Hitler. Now let's see who the foda up ones are.

That's the worst when you read things look that.

I think the HOF speech is Mike at his best, totally unaware of what an ass he is making of himself.

[Smilin Ed H]

"Al wouldn't promote it because it was about drug use. And he seemingly didn't understand that during the recording, but afterward he didn't want anything to do with it."

There was an interview with Al two or three years ago in which  insisted this wasn't the case.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Pop music is the result of mass media and image and looks have always been factors in the success story of bands.
It's true that the degree of musicianship that is needed for a good pop song can fluctuate through time. But in my book Lady Gaga writes better songs  than "Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini" and that was a big hit in 1960. And I can name lot's of other hits in the 'great' sixties and seventies that are just novelty hits.

Truth.

[Rocker]

As far as Michael bashing goes, this is relatively light - I've seen people compare him to Adolf Hitler. Now let's see who the foda up ones are.

Where did you see this? I only heard about that comparison in a Bruce-interview. Never really did read or hear about this from another source.

[Dancing Bear]

As far as Michael bashing goes, this is relatively light - I've seen people compare him to Adolf Hitler. Now let's see who the foda up ones are.

Where did you see this? I only heard about that comparison in a Bruce-interview. Never really did read or hear about this from another source.

I don't remember anything like that. But the usual cheering for Dennis having punched Mike is vomit inducing.

[b00ts]

Because these days, it's not about music, but image and looks.

Come on, Andrew: it has always been about image and looks. Sure, television (and then MTV and the like) upped that angle, but let's not suggest The Good Ol' Days were all that different.

Luker here, so my post won't have any authority, but Luther is right here.
Pop music is the result of mass media and image and looks have always been factors in the success story of bands.
It's true that the degree of musicianship that is needed for a good pop song can fluctuate through time. But in my book Lady Gaga writes better songs  than "Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini" and that was a big hit in 1960. And I can name lot's of other hits in the 'great' sixties and seventies that are just novelty hits.

I'd rather listen to the above-mentioned novelty song, "Monster Mash," or "Winchester Cathedral" than any of the toxic sludge Gaga puts out. It makes me sick to my stomach.  I consider the glut of shitty music to be somewhat equivalent to the preponderance of reality shows nowadays: these songs make me realize that the bubblegum pop of the 1980s, 70s, 60s, etc. was not nearly as bad as I though it was, and I'd rather watch an entire season of dreck like "Perfect Strangers" than a single episode of "Pregnant at 16 and loving it!"

And as we are all aware, my opinions are the correct ones. I guess that's the end of this thread!

[Dave in KC]

Hey, I started this thread and I'll decide when it ends!!
Just keeding of course.
What I really want to say is that I totally agree.
All those hot 45's that came out in the 60's were actually based on some semblance of  knowledge as to how music is put together. That along with the catchy lyrics is what sold to the masses. The pure pisswater product that has come out in the last several years is merely an attempt to mimic the success of a "new" kind of music that everyone surely has to be atrracted to because the newbies are just so intelligent. With that said, I fear not the current batch of wanna-be's as it will be shocking to them how soon they become irrelevant.   

[KokoMoses]

Lady Gaga is exceptionally irritating because she's obviously an intelligent/interesting person who's been around the block and who has really great influences, yet she goes and puts out this crappy ultra-generic manufatured dance sludge. It seems like she's specifically trying to put out the least distinct product imaginable as if her actual music matters little or not at all. Being famous and parading odd fashion seems to be what she's in it for....

[The infamous Baldwin Organ]

I am not a fan of Lady Gaga, but I did read the Rolling Stone article on her. Despite that I don't enjoy her music, I can't help but think how much Andy Warhol would have loved her. I think she plays the role of a Warhol super star well.

[the captain]

dreck like "Perfect Strangers"

I can take a lot, but this, sir, I cannot take. Thou Shalt Not Insult the Magic that Was Mark Linn Baker and Bronson Pinchot. I'm kidding, of course. Right? 

[SG7]

Wow, you know Lady Gaga is famous when she ends up on a Beach Boys board 

I don't mind her. I actually think she's talented. Definitely a Andy Warhol/Yoko Ono type. My sister is much more crazier about her however then I am. I think when she does her stuff acoustically it's much better!

[MBE]

dreck like "Perfect Strangers"

I can take a lot, but this, sir, I cannot take. Thou Shalt Not Insult the Magic that Was Mark Linn Baker and Bronson Pinchot. I'm kidding, of course. Right? 

I love that show no joke.

[the captain]

dreck like "Perfect Strangers"

I can take a lot, but this, sir, I cannot take. Thou Shalt Not Insult the Magic that Was Mark Linn Baker and Bronson Pinchot. I'm kidding, of course. Right? 

I love that show no joke.

The shrug hopefully demonstrated that my "kidding" remark was, in itself, kidding. I've said it before and will again: that sitcom had some of the finest physical comedy that you can find in recent decades, as performed by the aforementioned duo. And no, I am not kidding. As for the debate over whether modern pop is better/worse/sinful/shocking/pathetic/blahblah, I don't care. It makes me sad to see people grow so old as to bother with those arguments.

[MBE]

Mark's manic and sudden change of moods always made me laugh and still do.

Anyhow bad novelty records have been around since music began. If they are self knowing then I dig them but if they have an attitude no thanks.  I am not a huge fan of anything modern myself, but if people like it I don't care.  I only get pissed when people put me down for not liking their stuff and don't respec mine. Truth be told (I'm 33 now) the older I get the more people seem to be open to individual tastes.

[the captain]

33, a fine age shared by most--if not all--brilliant people ... says the guy born in July '76.

[MBE]

Right on! The Bicentennial was my very first major holiday. I was born May 22nd.
Sorry please indulge us

[b00ts]

Mark's manic and sudden change of moods always made me laugh and still do.

Anyhow bad novelty records have been around since music began. If they are self knowing then I dig them but if they have an attitude no thanks.  I am not a huge fan of anything modern myself, but if people like it I don't care.  I only get pissed when people put me down for not liking their stuff and don't respec mine. Truth be told (I'm 33 now) the older I get the more people seem to be open to individual tastes.

Unfortunately, I am not as mature as you guys; I suppose that I'm an elitist. I have actually never seen Perfect Strangers in my life, so using it in my comparison was pretty disingenuous. I figured it was a cheesy 80s sitcom that I could rag on with impunity, and now I find myself in an awkward position.

However, when I hear Lady GaGa, I reflexively reach for the nearest sharp object and attempt to puncture my ear drums. It's better than cutting of the nose to spite the face, at least..  I'll leave someone else to make a related joke about her physical appearance, which I am quite above.